(1) You meant "there". BTW, "a lot" is two words. Get literate.
Well, thanks for pointing out the errors grammer cop.
Both examples were just that, examples, not direct comparisons. They serve the same market segment. The CPE equipment is the same price for Tech Planets and Canopy's offering. The Canopy my provide for more users, but at a much smaller range, its a trade off. Canopy is obviously produced in more quantity that Tech Planet's offering, so obviously cost is cheaper, but both solutions essential provide the same offering. The Muesenki and Tech Planet's offering require no more customer design and what not, then designing a wireless system with Canopy. Obviously with either system you have to design where to locate antennas, how to setup your network architecture, its called network design, something that doesnt come out of the box. As far as CPE equipment goes, setup is the same, you take out of box, you plug in, put antenna on roof, make sure you got signal, its like setting up cable tv.
As far as range goes, Tech Planet is also an ISP in Texas using wireless, and they have quite the range, with speed of tranmission obviously getting slower the further away from the base setup (may get 11Mbit within the first couple miles, and 2 Mbit further away, check their website, they have a map.
As for as the accuracy of my information, I mearly pointed out their are already very similiar solutions in very simliary price brackets, and pointed URLS to some providers, leaving out the big boys like Lucent/Cisco/3COM that have provided such equipment for a long time. Nothing I said was untrue. Is this equipment any more commoditized then 802.11? I doubt it, it certainly isnt any cheaper.
The point of my post was simply to show that this is nothing new, there is equivalent equipment, that has been on the market for a while, in the same price bracket. The point of your flame, is beyond me, my point is my point, dont like it, dont respond, Attacking my post was never really necessary, you must be bored it being the last day before July 4th or something. Oh well, Have a nice 4th
What are you talking about, Canopy is just as business grade as 802.11 customer premise equipment offered by Lucent,Cisco,3COM,etc... It looks 100% identical, Canopy consist of Access Points, antennas, and all the usually 802.11. It is no different at all, how do you think Canopy gets range, its called an extra antenna plugged into a wireless router (of sorts, whatever you want to call a piece of CPE equipment). Highly Questionable? Its been in use by quite a few wireless isps arround the country, and countless businesses, its not like some hacked together technology. Cisco Aironet product line is the same product offering as Canopy, and has been around for a long time. Both are out of the box, at what point did I say use a pringle can (even though they have been shown to be as effective if not more, than a commercially produced antenna) and a modified dlink card.
Since when do you have to build your own setup? their are dozens of manafactures of Access points and customer premise equipment that looks exactly like that. One is at http://www.musenki.com/m-1.html , even Cisco makes CPE and AP's. Or try this on for size, http://www.techsplanet.com/enterprise.htm, 25grand will get youa system with 30 mile radius, and support 500 users. And the client side of things, http://www.techsplanet.com/client_systems.htm, pretty similiar prices, with a ALOT greater range.
Range on 802.11 with an antenna like Canopy uses? At least as good as canopy. You can get a good 10-15 miles with a 90degree 15dBi sector attenna which looks like what they are using, even Omni 15dBi's will get you excellent distance. Canopy is only 2miles multipoint, and 20miles point to point, sounds EXACTLY like 802.11 ranges to me. You are confusing your 60dollar wireless cards with 30mW's, with a real 802.11 customer premise setup with an ANTENNA!
Umm, why is this particularly news worthy, it uses same band as 802.11, you can get APs and Customer Premise Equipment for 802.11a/b for just as cheap, if not cheaper, and higher bandwith rates with 802.11a. Hell, the Motorola site is slim on details, they might even be using 802.11a, who knows. Not particularly a big new development of any sorts. People have been doing it for 5+ years with cheap 802.11 equipment and home made antennas.
Science Books: Age of Spiritual Machines (almost done) Linked: A New Science Of Networks (almost done) Nexus: Small Worlds and the Groundbreaking Science of Networks Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software
Then the usual computer books (already started): Java & XML, 2nd Edition: Solutions to Real-World Problems Java in a Nutshell (review, currently reading) Enterprise JavaBeans (3rd Edition) Java Web Services Java & Soap Java Enterprise in a Nutshell
Some math books:
Handbook of Discrete and Combinatorial Mathematics (maybe)
Concrete Mathematics: A Foundation for Computer Science (2nd Edition)
Introduction to Graph Theory (2nd Edition) by Douglas Brent West
What the heck, why does this justify a NYT article. Basically, they have an 802.11 card, in a small formfactor PC of sorts, with probably some custom built access point software. Their are only a few dozen companies that offer the exact same product, since it is just vanilla 802.11. http://www.musenki.com/ is one, with their M-3 product. 20 Miles? Woopity, anyone can get that with 802.11 and an high gain attenae/amplifer. Their are a multitude of companies offering this service with the same equipment. http://www.techsplanet.com comes to mind. NYT journalist should do their studying before they write lame articles.
The sewer part, sounds almost exactly like a quote out of Small Pieces Loosely Joined, the new book by David Weinberger from The Cluetrain Manifesto faim, in which he calls the internet a open sewer as well. More info on the book can be found at http://www.smallpieces.com/.
http://www.claraocr.org/ "Clara OCR is a free (GPL) OCR for systems that support the C library and the X windows system (e.g. most flavours of Unix). The development platform of Clara OCR is 32-bit Intel running GNU/Linux.
Clara OCR is intended for large scale digitalization projects....."
This is somewhat redundant as someone mentioned they are from Bermuda, purely for tax reasons of course (like Global Crossing is/was incorperated in bermuda as well) , which is correct, but to say they are a fire and safety company isnt even close to what Tyco is. Tyco is one of the largest conglomerates in the world in everything from electronics to healthcare. In fact, I would say fire & safety is the smallest part of their business. Its also one of the Top ten stocks in volume of trades every single day. A direct quote of their website probably explains them best.
"
Tyco International is the world's largest manufacturer and servicer of electrical and electronic components, as well as undersea telecommunications systems. We are also the world's largest manufacturer, installer, and provider of fire protection and electronic security services-not to mention our strong leadership positions in disposable medical products, plastics, and adhesives, and the manufacture of flow control valves. Our Company operates in more than 80 countries and has over 180,000 employees."
Each node only has 1256megs of ramwould be my guess. 1800gigs of ram today / 1400 processors. That comes out to be ~1.28gigs. The harddrives are also not that much a terabyte of drives is about 8000 grand using high quality scsi (okthey use fibre channel, close enough price bracket). Still doesnt account for 17.5 grand a processor. Thats a prett high cost per gflop rate.
Wow, do the math thats $17,500 per processor (node). Thats 24.5 million divided by 1400. Whats the deal with that? Even with top of the line components, the fastest interconnects available (Dolphin or Myrinet or whatever), thats a 7 million dollar computer at most (5 grand a machine, with SCI could even build much faster then a 8Teraflop box, hell a dual Athlon or Intel based system would be cheaper and whale on that). Software? Nothing, althought they are probably going to use Scyld or something and pay the bucks. Im willing to bet that half that cost pure adminstrative and contract over head and support.
They are not too big? Are you on crack? ProHosting is the biggest hosting company in the world with last time I checked (6 months ago) almost 500,000 accounts.
Why is this new news. Google has offered this form of advertising for like a year now. I used it a year ago. Whats up with them making a news article now about it. Thats gay.
That car example is a blatant rip off of the opening paragraph on my paper on Intellectual Property in schools. I wonder if he read the paper, or we just think alike:) I wrote this paper 3 years ago. http://www.thestuph.com/ip.html. The paper has over 40 errors (grammatical and otherwise) that have been pointed out that I have yet to fix. I apologize:)
No, because the software bundled with linux is freely available. The problem is Microsoft bundles their OWN software, which cost money, thus elminating competition, by making it easier for people just to use whats on the system. These linux distros are not bundling their own software that competes with commercial software, and making money off of it. Most distro companies dont make much of their distro anyway, because its freely downloadable. What you propose is a logical fallacy, because their is on correlation between the two.
Ill tell you what the flawed logic is. You can completely ignore that stats, and you can completely ignore direct comparisons. It all lays in the software. Most of the Linux vulnerabilities were for software that most people dont install, non standard stuf. Like, bitchx exploits or exim exploits. Not everyone installs that by default. So this aggregated Linux number is basically exploits from the tens of thousands of pieces of software available for unix systems. This is why its flawed logic. Most of the Windows vulnerabilities are default install problems. They are standard with the OS. Even under the break down by Mandrake, that includes all software you find on the Mandrake cd. Not only software that is by default installed (under all install options even). If you include ever peice of software that runs on the windows platform, that was exploitable last year, I think you would get a number that would blow it out of water. On a side note, thats not even taking into consideration source is available for most of this linux software, so it is easier to find more exploits. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. This just means they havent found all the exploits yet, because they use closed source. Security by obscurity does not mean its more secure:P
Im assuming you mean Kb and not KB for the 640 and 128. First of all, the @home downstream cap was more like around 4.5Mbit, not 640Kilobit. I used to download at litearlly around 640KiloBYTES a second, even got upto 800total 1 time. The upstream cap is the same, but the downstream is like 1/3rd was fast as we used to get.
Just saying that a 48Bit address space would be plenty. its 65536x more addresses then we have currently. I dont think we will be running out for a very long time. 281 trillion I think has plenty of room for growth.
The title and the news peice make it sound as if ATT reached a deal with @home, and ATT@HOME is back. This is not true. ATT has reached no deal with @home, and is switching all its customers over to its network. Anyway, it was misleading.
What really angers me is I get like 1/3rd the speed I used to get, for the same price I used to pay! 1.5Mbit, come on, whats that, not quite 200KB a second down! I used to get 400-500K downloading a new kernel, or getting a song from mp3.com. Now In all reality I cant get anything higher then 150KB/second,and most things that used to be 300-400,are now sub 100KB a second. If im going to get 1/3rd the service as before, I expect to pay 1/3rd the cost. What even sucks worse is their is no real alternative. DSL is even slower, to get DSL that even matches these download caps your looking at 200-300bucks a month. I wonder if they will let me sign up like 3 times for cable modem, then I could aggregate the bandwith. BTW, FYI, Im a seattle att@home customers, weell, ATTBI customer now. I was up within 24hours as well.
Has everyone not done the math with IPv6 and MAC addresses. IPv6 is a 128bit address space. MAC addresses are only 48bit. Which means unless MAC specs are updated as well, that 80Bit of address space is utterly useless. Which means an extra 80Bit of overhead on every packet that goes out. Kind of lame. IPv6 should be 48Bit, that is more than sufficient. I mean, this isnt linear growth, a 48bit address is enough for more then 281,474,976,710,656 IPs according to my calcs. 281 Trillion something, i dont think we are going to run out of that any time soon. You could give every object in the world an IP address probably. This is 65536 times as many IP address as you could have with IPv4. So for IPv6 to be any more then 48Bit is completely lame and a waste of packet space.
Ok, first of all. Internet2 is slow. Really slow. They are hopeing for 10Gigabit in 2003? What? I know people with home networks that fast. That really is bottom of the line when it comes to backhaul networks. Most major telecommunication companies know have backbones in the Tb range, because of DWDM technology. I know Time-Warner has 80Tb lit, and will another 80Tb soon. You used to be able to get around 10Gigabit on a single fiber strand, now its about 16x that with dwdm technology by Nortel, Lucent, or a host of other companies. Thats 160Gigabit on a single strand of fiber. This network really is not fast in any way whatsover. I have used computers on schools on I2, it really isnt that fast. In fact, its so bogged down, its slower then 10Mbit for the most part.
Second, I wouldnt exactly call Europe lagging behind hind us in bandwith. In fact, as far as bandwith between colleges they kick our ass, and have for many many years. Have you have transfered between Euro schools. We are talking about 8-9megs a second, consistantly. I believe their is a network (not sure if its Janet or what its called) that is 80Gigabit running between a bunch of schools. The bandwith at uwente.nl is amazing. Thats why all the top software piracy sites are located there. US colleges internet speeds are pathetic and in the range of 1/100th of that of Euro schools. Most euro schools I have ran into have 100Mbit to the dorms, and have for years, most US schools are still 10Mbit (I know University of Washington , where I go, is, and I can name of dozens of other major universities that are). In fact, 1Gigabit in dorms is really starting to become popular in euro schools. Like I said, Utwente.nl has quite a few software piracy sites running a 1Gigabit. We cant even hope to catch up until we upgrade to at least 100Mbit in most of our schools. Then we will still be years behind.
Uhh, I think their is a huge misunderstanding here. Internet2 speeds suck, and they lag years beyond commercial telecom companies. Its not around the corner, Internet2 is behind times, its been here for years. Did you not read the article, they are hoping for a 10Gigabit network in the next couple of years. 10 gigabit? WTF? TimeWarner has a 80Tb network in the US, yes thats Terabit, and capacity for 160, if they plug in the other Lucent DWDM equipment they bought. I have more ten gigabit running throughout my house. You want to invest in high bandwith technology, invest in Lucent or some other manafacturer of DWDM and optical networking technology.
It really is. I used Debian for years, then Storm came out with what essentially was Debian with a nice pretty and easy installer. Which took the work out of the pain in the a*s of picking packages with dselect with vanilla debian. Besides for that, it still had all the power of Debian. It was a great install, and they died. Then Progeny came along, which was even better then Storm. I haved used progeny on many machines, and have recommended it to many friends. The installation process is just plain smooth, and I think is much easier then Windows to install. The only problem I had with Progeny, is that with my board (Asus A7V266 or A7A266, whatever its called) it takes around 1.5 hours to install, because it sits after the first reboot at "Preconfiguring packages" or something like that for an hour, before it moves on). My friend has the same config as me as far as processor and board, and it does the same thing for him. Besides for that, I loved Progeny. Its a shame to see it go. I hope Debian incorporates the Progeny installer. Thanks for a great product Mr Murdoch.
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(1) You meant "there".
BTW, "a lot" is two words. Get literate.
Well, thanks for pointing out the errors grammer cop.
Both examples were just that, examples, not direct comparisons. They serve the same market segment. The CPE equipment is the same price for Tech Planets and Canopy's offering. The Canopy my provide for more users, but at a much smaller range, its a trade off. Canopy is obviously produced in more quantity that Tech Planet's offering, so obviously cost is cheaper, but both solutions essential provide the same offering. The Muesenki and Tech Planet's offering require no more customer design and what not, then designing a wireless system with Canopy. Obviously with either system you have to design where to locate antennas, how to setup your network architecture, its called network design, something that doesnt come out of the box. As far as CPE equipment goes, setup is the same, you take out of box, you plug in, put antenna on roof, make sure you got signal, its like setting up cable tv.
As far as range goes, Tech Planet is also an ISP in Texas using wireless, and they have quite the range, with speed of tranmission obviously getting slower the further away from the base setup (may get 11Mbit within the first couple miles, and 2 Mbit further away, check their website, they have a map.
As for as the accuracy of my information, I mearly pointed out their are already very similiar solutions in very simliary price brackets, and pointed URLS to some providers, leaving out the big boys like Lucent/Cisco/3COM that have provided such equipment for a long time. Nothing I said was untrue. Is this equipment any more commoditized then 802.11? I doubt it, it certainly isnt any cheaper.
The point of my post was simply to show that this is nothing new, there is equivalent equipment, that has been on the market for a while, in the same price bracket. The point of your flame, is beyond me, my point is my point, dont like it, dont respond, Attacking my post was never really necessary, you must be bored it being the last day before July 4th or something. Oh well, Have a nice 4th
What are you talking about, Canopy is just as business grade as 802.11 customer premise equipment offered by Lucent,Cisco,3COM,etc... It looks 100% identical, Canopy consist of Access Points, antennas, and all the usually 802.11. It is no different at all, how do you think Canopy gets range, its called an extra antenna plugged into a wireless router (of sorts, whatever you want to call a piece of CPE equipment). Highly Questionable? Its been in use by quite a few wireless isps arround the country, and countless businesses, its not like some hacked together technology. Cisco Aironet product line is the same product offering as Canopy, and has been around for a long time. Both are out of the box, at what point did I say use a pringle can (even though they have been shown to be as effective if not more, than a commercially produced antenna) and a modified dlink card.
Since when do you have to build your own setup? their are dozens of manafactures of Access points and customer premise equipment that looks exactly like that. One is at http://www.musenki.com/m-1.html , even Cisco makes CPE and AP's. Or try this on for size, http://www.techsplanet.com/enterprise.htm, 25grand will get youa system with 30 mile radius, and support 500 users. And the client side of things, http://www.techsplanet.com/client_systems.htm, pretty similiar prices, with a ALOT greater range.
Range on 802.11 with an antenna like Canopy uses? At least as good as canopy. You can get a good 10-15 miles with a 90degree 15dBi sector attenna which looks like what they are using, even Omni 15dBi's will get you excellent distance. Canopy is only 2miles multipoint, and 20miles point to point, sounds EXACTLY like 802.11 ranges to me. You are confusing your 60dollar wireless cards with 30mW's, with a real 802.11 customer premise setup with an ANTENNA!
Umm, why is this particularly news worthy, it uses same band as 802.11, you can get APs and Customer Premise Equipment for 802.11a/b for just as cheap, if not cheaper, and higher bandwith rates with 802.11a. Hell, the Motorola site is slim on details, they might even be using 802.11a, who knows. Not particularly a big new development of any sorts. People have been doing it for 5+ years with cheap 802.11 equipment and home made antennas.
Science Books:
Age of Spiritual Machines (almost done)
Linked: A New Science Of Networks (almost done)
Nexus: Small Worlds and the Groundbreaking Science of Networks
Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software
Then the usual computer books (already started):
Java & XML, 2nd Edition: Solutions to Real-World Problems
Java in a Nutshell (review, currently reading)
Enterprise JavaBeans (3rd Edition)
Java Web Services
Java & Soap
Java Enterprise in a Nutshell
Some math books:
Handbook of Discrete and Combinatorial Mathematics (maybe)
Concrete Mathematics: A Foundation for Computer Science (2nd Edition)
Introduction to Graph Theory (2nd Edition)
by Douglas Brent West
What the heck, why does this justify a NYT article. Basically, they have an 802.11 card, in a small formfactor PC of sorts, with probably some custom built access point software. Their are only a few dozen companies that offer the exact same product, since it is just vanilla 802.11. http://www.musenki.com/ is one, with their M-3 product. 20 Miles? Woopity, anyone can get that with 802.11 and an high gain attenae/amplifer. Their are a multitude of companies offering this service with the same equipment. http://www.techsplanet.com comes to mind. NYT journalist should do their studying before they write lame articles.
The sewer part, sounds almost exactly like a quote out of Small Pieces Loosely Joined, the new book by David Weinberger from The Cluetrain Manifesto faim, in which he calls the internet a open sewer as well. More info on the book can be found at http://www.smallpieces.com/.
http://www.claraocr.org/
"Clara OCR is a free (GPL) OCR for systems that support the C library and the X windows system (e.g. most flavours of Unix). The development platform of Clara OCR is 32-bit Intel running GNU/Linux.
Clara OCR is intended for large scale digitalization projects....."
Havent tried it, but it looks good.
This is somewhat redundant as someone mentioned they are from Bermuda, purely for tax reasons of course (like Global Crossing is/was incorperated in bermuda as well) , which is correct, but to say they are a fire and safety company isnt even close to what Tyco is. Tyco is one of the largest conglomerates in the world in everything from electronics to healthcare. In fact, I would say fire & safety is the smallest part of their business. Its also one of the Top ten stocks in volume of trades every single day. A direct quote of their website probably explains them best.
"
Tyco International is the world's largest manufacturer and servicer of electrical and electronic components, as well as undersea telecommunications systems. We are also the world's largest manufacturer, installer, and provider of fire protection and electronic security services-not to mention our strong leadership positions in disposable medical products, plastics, and adhesives, and the manufacture of flow control valves. Our Company operates in more than 80 countries and has over 180,000 employees."
Each node only has 1256megs of ramwould be my guess. 1800gigs of ram today / 1400 processors. That comes out to be ~1.28gigs. The harddrives are also not that much a terabyte of drives is about 8000 grand using high quality scsi (okthey use fibre channel, close enough price bracket). Still doesnt account for 17.5 grand a processor. Thats a prett high cost per gflop rate.
Wow, do the math thats $17,500 per processor (node). Thats 24.5 million divided by 1400. Whats the deal with that? Even with top of the line components, the fastest interconnects available (Dolphin or Myrinet or whatever), thats a 7 million dollar computer at most (5 grand a machine, with SCI could even build much faster then a 8Teraflop box, hell a dual Athlon or Intel based system would be cheaper and whale on that). Software? Nothing, althought they are probably going to use Scyld or something and pay the bucks. Im willing to bet that half that cost pure adminstrative and contract over head and support.
They are not too big? Are you on crack? ProHosting is the biggest hosting company in the world with last time I checked (6 months ago) almost 500,000 accounts.
Why is this new news. Google has offered this form of advertising for like a year now. I used it a year ago. Whats up with them making a news article now about it. Thats gay.
That car example is a blatant rip off of the opening paragraph on my paper on Intellectual Property in schools. I wonder if he read the paper, or we just think alike :) I wrote this paper 3 years ago. http://www.thestuph.com/ip.html. The paper has over 40 errors (grammatical and otherwise) that have been pointed out that I have yet to fix. I apologize :)
No, because the software bundled with linux is freely available. The problem is Microsoft bundles their OWN software, which cost money, thus elminating competition, by making it easier for people just to use whats on the system. These linux distros are not bundling their own software that competes with commercial software, and making money off of it. Most distro companies dont make much of their distro anyway, because its freely downloadable. What you propose is a logical fallacy, because their is on correlation between the two.
Ill tell you what the flawed logic is. You can completely ignore that stats, and you can completely ignore direct comparisons. It all lays in the software. Most of the Linux vulnerabilities were for software that most people dont install, non standard stuf. Like, bitchx exploits or exim exploits. Not everyone installs that by default. So this aggregated Linux number is basically exploits from the tens of thousands of pieces of software available for unix systems. This is why its flawed logic. Most of the Windows vulnerabilities are default install problems. They are standard with the OS. Even under the break down by Mandrake, that includes all software you find on the Mandrake cd. Not only software that is by default installed (under all install options even). If you include ever peice of software that runs on the windows platform, that was exploitable last year, I think you would get a number that would blow it out of water. On a side note, thats not even taking into consideration source is available for most of this linux software, so it is easier to find more exploits. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. This just means they havent found all the exploits yet, because they use closed source. Security by obscurity does not mean its more secure :P
Im assuming you mean Kb and not KB for the 640 and 128. First of all, the @home downstream cap was more like around 4.5Mbit, not 640Kilobit. I used to download at litearlly around 640KiloBYTES a second, even got upto 800total 1 time. The upstream cap is the same, but the downstream is like 1/3rd was fast as we used to get.
Just saying that a 48Bit address space would be plenty. its 65536x more addresses then we have currently. I dont think we will be running out for a very long time. 281 trillion I think has plenty of room for growth.
The title and the news peice make it sound as if ATT reached a deal with @home, and ATT@HOME is back. This is not true. ATT has reached no deal with @home, and is switching all its customers over to its network. Anyway, it was misleading.
What really angers me is I get like 1/3rd the speed I used to get, for the same price I used to pay! 1.5Mbit, come on, whats that, not quite 200KB a second down! I used to get 400-500K downloading a new kernel, or getting a song from mp3.com. Now In all reality I cant get anything higher then 150KB/second,and most things that used to be 300-400,are now sub 100KB a second. If im going to get 1/3rd the service as before, I expect to pay 1/3rd the cost. What even sucks worse is their is no real alternative. DSL is even slower, to get DSL that even matches these download caps your looking at 200-300bucks a month. I wonder if they will let me sign up like 3 times for cable modem, then I could aggregate the bandwith. BTW, FYI, Im a seattle att@home customers, weell, ATTBI customer now. I was up within 24hours as well.
Has everyone not done the math with IPv6 and MAC addresses. IPv6 is a 128bit address space. MAC addresses are only 48bit. Which means unless MAC specs are updated as well, that 80Bit of address space is utterly useless. Which means an extra 80Bit of overhead on every packet that goes out. Kind of lame. IPv6 should be 48Bit, that is more than sufficient. I mean, this isnt linear growth, a 48bit address is enough for more then 281,474,976,710,656 IPs according to my calcs. 281 Trillion something, i dont think we are going to run out of that any time soon. You could give every object in the world an IP address probably. This is 65536 times as many IP address as you could have with IPv4. So for IPv6 to be any more then 48Bit is completely lame and a waste of packet space.
Ok, first of all. Internet2 is slow. Really slow. They are hopeing for 10Gigabit in 2003? What? I know people with home networks that fast. That really is bottom of the line when it comes to backhaul networks. Most major telecommunication companies know have backbones in the Tb range, because of DWDM technology. I know Time-Warner has 80Tb lit, and will another 80Tb soon. You used to be able to get around 10Gigabit on a single fiber strand, now its about 16x that with dwdm technology by Nortel, Lucent, or a host of other companies. Thats 160Gigabit on a single strand of fiber. This network really is not fast in any way whatsover. I have used computers on schools on I2, it really isnt that fast. In fact, its so bogged down, its slower then 10Mbit for the most part.
Second, I wouldnt exactly call Europe lagging behind hind us in bandwith. In fact, as far as bandwith between colleges they kick our ass, and have for many many years. Have you have transfered between Euro schools. We are talking about 8-9megs a second, consistantly. I believe their is a network (not sure if its Janet or what its called) that is 80Gigabit running between a bunch of schools. The bandwith at uwente.nl is amazing. Thats why all the top software piracy sites are located there. US colleges internet speeds are pathetic and in the range of 1/100th of that of Euro schools. Most euro schools I have ran into have 100Mbit to the dorms, and have for years, most US schools are still 10Mbit (I know University of Washington , where I go, is, and I can name of dozens of other major universities that are). In fact, 1Gigabit in dorms is really starting to become popular in euro schools. Like I said, Utwente.nl has quite a few software piracy sites running a 1Gigabit. We cant even hope to catch up until we upgrade to at least 100Mbit in most of our schools. Then we will still be years behind.
Uhh, I think their is a huge misunderstanding here. Internet2 speeds suck, and they lag years beyond commercial telecom companies. Its not around the corner, Internet2 is behind times, its been here for years. Did you not read the article, they are hoping for a 10Gigabit network in the next couple of years. 10 gigabit? WTF? TimeWarner has a 80Tb network in the US, yes thats Terabit, and capacity for 160, if they plug in the other Lucent DWDM equipment they bought. I have more ten gigabit running throughout my house. You want to invest in high bandwith technology, invest in Lucent or some other manafacturer of DWDM and optical networking technology.
It really is. I used Debian for years, then Storm came out with what essentially was Debian with a nice pretty and easy installer. Which took the work out of the pain in the a*s of picking packages with dselect with vanilla debian. Besides for that, it still had all the power of Debian. It was a great install, and they died. Then Progeny came along, which was even better then Storm. I haved used progeny on many machines, and have recommended it to many friends. The installation process is just plain smooth, and I think is much easier then Windows to install. The only problem I had with Progeny, is that with my board (Asus A7V266 or A7A266, whatever its called) it takes around 1.5 hours to install, because it sits after the first reboot at "Preconfiguring packages" or something like that for an hour, before it moves on). My friend has the same config as me as far as processor and board, and it does the same thing for him. Besides for that, I loved Progeny. Its a shame to see it go. I hope Debian incorporates the Progeny installer. Thanks for a great product Mr Murdoch.