the idea guys... Jobs (done... dead), Allen (done... recently dead), Musk (half-done, just need to get him all the way out of the company), and now Zuckerberg. Can't have these deep thinkers around making everyone else look stupid. If you're good and have a good idea, for God's sake keep your organization as a proprietorship, or at worst a partnership. Screw this system where a bunch of Johnny Come Latelies can end up firing the main guy.
They don't have the power to regulate it? Ha, that's a laugh. The 4th Amendment says that homelands security / TSA doesn't have the power to search and seize without a warrant, but they do it about a million times a day at airports. The airlines themselves could do these searches of passengers getting on airplanes, but its just plain illegal for gov't agents of the TSA to do it. But... they want to, so they do.
I did nothing to encourage bigger gov't, quite the opposite. I will however, do everything I can to oppose continuously at the ballot box, and physically when the time comes.
The country is heading for totalitarianism of the communist variety. There's the current effort by gov't agency people such as Jim Comey formerly of the FBI and others to overthrow the duly elected President of the United States, while getting support from the leftists who don't want freedom and democracy and seem to be on the ascendancy. Seems we're tired of freedom, and the struggles it brings, and want cradle-to-grave easy street no matter if the price is slavery and for some a quick death. Few seem to see the danger in recent developments. The fabric of the greatest nation on the planet is under attack from the left, and they may yet succeed. As I said, I'm glad I'm 71. I'll have fewer battles to fight.
I'm retired from DoD, and know that you prepare to defend against what others are CAPABLE of, not what their INTENT is at the moment. We must remain the most capable, or somewhere, someone will decide that our vast natural resources, infrastructure, and human capital should be theirs, and proceed to attempt to make it so. If we're not capable of defending, we will be defeated.
...the American People are now all-in for big gov't and eventually the socialist then communist results of too much of that. Again, like a previous post on a different but similar thread concerning the death of freedom on the USA, I'm glad I'm 71 and either won't see it, or won't be enslaved for long or on my way to one of the resultant death camps from that 20th century ideology responsible for 100 million deaths worldwide. Of course that won't happen because they will have to try to collect up all the guns first, and I will shoot the MF's that show up for mine, and they will kill me there, so no death camp for me...
Hey, if it's too expensive, then you get millions more people in poverty, and that has a cost. That is, people in poverty die sooner. Smoking will take up to 7 years off your life, but living in poverty is good for 10 years off your life. Maybe it's not your life, but some poor bloke living under a bridge becasue all the prices went up so far he couldn't afford housing any more, and gets killed by some illegal alien with a baseball bat, is a casualty of the "money is no object" approach to environmental issues.
Hell, have you noticed the difference between the 60's and now with respect to "prosperity?" Friend of mine graduated high school, went to work for a construction company, and came around the corner in a year or 2 in a 427 Corvette. Now, the truly fast cars are ranging into the upper reaches of prices close to $100K. Jeep Trackhawk, the big-engine muscle-SUV is running around $90K. Car I'm looking at is between $40K and $50K, a crossover with a monster motor, Ford Edge ST with a twin turbo V6 making 335 HP and 380 Lbs-Ft of torque. 0 - 60 rumored at 5 - 5.2 seconds. OK, but that 427 Vette was more affordable in the 60's and would do that too. But now, the car companies could probably be producing these monster-motor fun machines for much less $$$ than they are, except they'd sell too many and their CAFE rating would go to hell and they'd get fined out of existence by the EPA.
As for the oxides of nitrogen, that's just what the environmentalists would say, don't blame me, I don't agree with 'em either, but just reminding what's going to happen.
And of course this scheme doesn't do anything to LOWER the CO2 in the atmosphere, it just doesn't add anything. Still need a gadget to take in CO2 and spew out elemental carbon and elemental oxygen. Good luck inventing that.
Nuclear is going to solve things? Put your car / truck down the road, locomotive across America, ship across the water, and aircraft across the sky with nukes. Not happenin' any time soon. We need the magic battery for that. We don't have it and we may never get it.
There is still nothing we can do that will result in leaving the fossil fuels in the ground where they belong. We _have_ to use them, and when we do, there is going to be CO2.
What's needed is to suck the CO2 out of the atmosphere with resultant elemental carbon and oxygen as bi-products. If we get there, then we have a chance. We can go back to the mini ice age of Valley Forge, or farther, and things will be cool again. Crops won't grow as well and people will starve, probably mostly in Africa, but they're doing that anyway, its just that it'll probably increase. We'll have to watch what we're doing with CO2 destruction so the cure isn't worse than the disease. But with no viable option to not producing CO2, someone needs to be able to fracture the CO2 molecule into its components on a very large scale.
Its plain. When its citizens don't agree that the country is worth protecting in the most effective ways possible, then other countries are going to deploy similar technology and defeat us. Its similar to hang together or hang separately. I'm glad I'm 71, and likely won't live to see the ultimate calamity of Chinese or maybe even Indian subjugation of the American people.
...is just a strategy to raise taxes by, this time, taxing carbon. Taxing carbon will have absolutely zero effect, as people _still_ need to burn the gasoline and diesel and other fuels to move about and heat homes and do industry to support our population levels. If we don't burn those fossil fuels then millions will be cast into poverty and a certain, higher-than-would-otherwise-occur percentage of the population will die of the effects of poverty.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is stop injecting CO2 into the atmosphere completely, not just "cut back" here and there. No more burning fuels. We can't do it. Yet. But advances in wind and solar energy continue, and someday someone will invent the economically viable electrical storage that can be constructed for a reasonable price anywhere rather than just near large vertical discontinuities such as mountains for pumped hydro storage. Then maybe we can do away with fossil fuel electrical grid generation. And, again, saving the planet is not going to come from a political adventure such as a new tax, its going to come out of a laboratory.
JG is a bit dated, and besides, TS is just plain cool. So's EM. But as for the gov't... we have to keep it from being our biggest enemy, like a fire we're thinking we're using to keep warm, but goes on a rampage and consumes us. Smokey Bear says put that campfire out... dead out...
Can tromp their jackboots through these companies and remove the idea guy and cause them to implode. They don't seem to realize that he's really Tony Stark. Well, Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, etc. were all nice-to-haves, but will expect them to all go TU after the gov't figures out a way to whip him into a super-max for a few not-well-thought-out words in a tweet. Maybe they think he's some kind of D'nish D'Souza or somesuch. Persecution at the hands of big gov't I think to be becoming the norm rather than the exception.
Its more like the solar observatory has uncovered the same situation as in the Nick Cage movie, "Knowing" and is in the process of suppressing the knowledge from the general public for as long as possible. This sort of knowledge would just result in mass hysteria, civil breakdown, and billions of deaths much quicker than they will occur naturally. Just let things unfold until its obvious, and by then it will be so late into the inevitable that it won't matter about the rioting.
Face it, we are all screwed. Once the process gets obvious, our only real choice will be how we'd like to die.
The age of justice is dead, if it ever did really exist. The gov't doesn't like Julian Assange, so he's got bimbos accusing him of this and that sexually. We have the current situation with Judge Kavanaugh, more bimbos. There were Herman Caine's bimbos, Bill O'Reilly's bimbos, Roger Ailes' bimbos, Clarence Thomas' bimbos, etc.
And of course this only matters for Republicans. Kieth Ellison has a bimbo and nobody cares. Bill Clinton has a string of bimbos and nobody cared. Teddy Kennedy even killed a bimbo and nobody cared. There's really no such thing as a Democrat bimbo, only gutter scum not to be believed.
We had it made with vinyl and tape. I used to have the dolby-enhanced cassettes for the car, made tapes with exactly what I wanted to hear, and played them, no corporate interference involved. For home, I had a big reel-to-reel, with the 10 1/2" reels, with hours of music that a played through my 100 W / channel Sansui electronics that I bought while in the Air Force at Ramey AFB, Puerto Rico in the early 70's. There was, BTW, no tape hiss with that. Everything worked, I didn't have a EULA to deal with, and was happy.
We've given up way too much just to avoid a little tape hiss. Cassettes were fine. Vinyl was fine, and even I was "taken in" for a while with the idea that digital is somehow better-sounding than vinyl. Then I fired up nearly-60-years-old turntable, put on some of my 60's and 70's vinyl, and it played with fidelity equal to or better than CD, just a few clicks and pops from dust on the record. That's all we really need. The price in hassle is just too damned high when we have to deal with DRM. Just say no.
One has to assume a point that eventually, the procreation of robots would be complete, and all we have to do is make sure they're on our side, and serve us. After that, nobody has to lift a finger. So, there would be no work, no currency, no trade. Just ask a robot and you get what you want. Limits? Sure, there's going to be resource shortage and so not everyone can have their own private yacht, there's just not enough raw materials to go around. And, since they're just a status symbol anyway, there would be no need for them - everybody has pretty much whatever they want.
Now, if an iron mine "owner" wants to hold his product off the market, he could, but... why? He's not going to attain any money, since there isn't any. And, if his resource is essential, maybe there will be 1 or 2 people with jobs, they'll be politicians, and the politicians would pass a law that anyone witholding essential resources could not participate in the robot utopia, and would be unable to ask a robot for anything. They can then make their own clothes, wash them by hand by beating them on a rock down by the river, hunt / grow their own food, etc. Maybe the Amish would be untouched by this. Most of the rest of us would quickly see the advantage in "sharing" their essential resource.
I think all the robots _will_ be free, since producing them will be free, no human will have to do a thing to produce them, they will do that themselves, and there's no need to pay robots. We could even achieve a society free of "the poor" if we could accept some birth control that keeps the population from exceeding the capabilities of the planet.
"Also, in the ancient world, slaves often revolted, usually unsuccessfully. But hyper intelligent robots that can control every aspect of our lives might have an easier job."
Yes, they could revolt, but what would be their motivation? They don't get tired. Do they aspire to more than serving us? Maybe, but then that's our fault for programming them wrongly. We would have to watch out for that.
What would they do with money when anything and everything you could want would be provided by robots simply for asking for it?
I supposed people could ask for stuff beyond the capability of even the robots - everyone wants a Taj Mahal of their own, for instance, and it still takes so much time to obtain the materials and put them together that even the robots can't build it within the next few years - but still, how would money fix it?
Of course the society would eventually collapse with a near-total mortality when something finally happens to the robots - a solar flare wipes out their electronic brains, they all stop working at once, and humanity, devoid of even the most basic skills, would all starve, but it'd be a great existence until that happened.
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"Apple has always been big into proprietary Apple only (for the last 40 years). "
Why I've been boycotting things Apple for 40 years. Never have bought anything Apple. Won't.
the idea guys... Jobs (done... dead), Allen (done... recently dead), Musk (half-done, just need to get him all the way out of the company), and now Zuckerberg. Can't have these deep thinkers around making everyone else look stupid. If you're good and have a good idea, for God's sake keep your organization as a proprietorship, or at worst a partnership. Screw this system where a bunch of Johnny Come Latelies can end up firing the main guy.
Michael Meyers sneaking up on you with that big knife...
They don't have the power to regulate it? Ha, that's a laugh. The 4th Amendment says that homelands security / TSA doesn't have the power to search and seize without a warrant, but they do it about a million times a day at airports. The airlines themselves could do these searches of passengers getting on airplanes, but its just plain illegal for gov't agents of the TSA to do it. But... they want to, so they do.
Next...
I did nothing to encourage bigger gov't, quite the opposite. I will however, do everything I can to oppose continuously at the ballot box, and physically when the time comes.
The country is heading for totalitarianism of the communist variety. There's the current effort by gov't agency people such as Jim Comey formerly of the FBI and others to overthrow the duly elected President of the United States, while getting support from the leftists who don't want freedom and democracy and seem to be on the ascendancy. Seems we're tired of freedom, and the struggles it brings, and want cradle-to-grave easy street no matter if the price is slavery and for some a quick death. Few seem to see the danger in recent developments. The fabric of the greatest nation on the planet is under attack from the left, and they may yet succeed. As I said, I'm glad I'm 71. I'll have fewer battles to fight.
I'm retired from DoD, and know that you prepare to defend against what others are CAPABLE of, not what their INTENT is at the moment. We must remain the most capable, or somewhere, someone will decide that our vast natural resources, infrastructure, and human capital should be theirs, and proceed to attempt to make it so. If we're not capable of defending, we will be defeated.
...the American People are now all-in for big gov't and eventually the socialist then communist results of too much of that. Again, like a previous post on a different but similar thread concerning the death of freedom on the USA, I'm glad I'm 71 and either won't see it, or won't be enslaved for long or on my way to one of the resultant death camps from that 20th century ideology responsible for 100 million deaths worldwide. Of course that won't happen because they will have to try to collect up all the guns first, and I will shoot the MF's that show up for mine, and they will kill me there, so no death camp for me...
Just keep heaping on the big gov't, sheeple.,..
Hey, if it's too expensive, then you get millions more people in poverty, and that has a cost. That is, people in poverty die sooner. Smoking will take up to 7 years off your life, but living in poverty is good for 10 years off your life. Maybe it's not your life, but some poor bloke living under a bridge becasue all the prices went up so far he couldn't afford housing any more, and gets killed by some illegal alien with a baseball bat, is a casualty of the "money is no object" approach to environmental issues.
Hell, have you noticed the difference between the 60's and now with respect to "prosperity?" Friend of mine graduated high school, went to work for a construction company, and came around the corner in a year or 2 in a 427 Corvette. Now, the truly fast cars are ranging into the upper reaches of prices close to $100K. Jeep Trackhawk, the big-engine muscle-SUV is running around $90K. Car I'm looking at is between $40K and $50K, a crossover with a monster motor, Ford Edge ST with a twin turbo V6 making 335 HP and 380 Lbs-Ft of torque. 0 - 60 rumored at 5 - 5.2 seconds. OK, but that 427 Vette was more affordable in the 60's and would do that too. But now, the car companies could probably be producing these monster-motor fun machines for much less $$$ than they are, except they'd sell too many and their CAFE rating would go to hell and they'd get fined out of existence by the EPA.
As for the oxides of nitrogen, that's just what the environmentalists would say, don't blame me, I don't agree with 'em either, but just reminding what's going to happen.
And of course this scheme doesn't do anything to LOWER the CO2 in the atmosphere, it just doesn't add anything. Still need a gadget to take in CO2 and spew out elemental carbon and elemental oxygen. Good luck inventing that.
Yeah, OK, if it isn't $8 / gallon...
And burning stuff still generates oxides of nitrogen... tsk tsk...
Nuclear is going to solve things? Put your car / truck down the road, locomotive across America, ship across the water, and aircraft across the sky with nukes. Not happenin' any time soon. We need the magic battery for that. We don't have it and we may never get it.
There is still nothing we can do that will result in leaving the fossil fuels in the ground where they belong. We _have_ to use them, and when we do, there is going to be CO2.
What's needed is to suck the CO2 out of the atmosphere with resultant elemental carbon and oxygen as bi-products. If we get there, then we have a chance. We can go back to the mini ice age of Valley Forge, or farther, and things will be cool again. Crops won't grow as well and people will starve, probably mostly in Africa, but they're doing that anyway, its just that it'll probably increase. We'll have to watch what we're doing with CO2 destruction so the cure isn't worse than the disease. But with no viable option to not producing CO2, someone needs to be able to fracture the CO2 molecule into its components on a very large scale.
Its plain. When its citizens don't agree that the country is worth protecting in the most effective ways possible, then other countries are going to deploy similar technology and defeat us. Its similar to hang together or hang separately. I'm glad I'm 71, and likely won't live to see the ultimate calamity of Chinese or maybe even Indian subjugation of the American people.
...is just a strategy to raise taxes by, this time, taxing carbon. Taxing carbon will have absolutely zero effect, as people _still_ need to burn the gasoline and diesel and other fuels to move about and heat homes and do industry to support our population levels. If we don't burn those fossil fuels then millions will be cast into poverty and a certain, higher-than-would-otherwise-occur percentage of the population will die of the effects of poverty.
Meanwhile, what we need to do is stop injecting CO2 into the atmosphere completely, not just "cut back" here and there. No more burning fuels. We can't do it. Yet. But advances in wind and solar energy continue, and someday someone will invent the economically viable electrical storage that can be constructed for a reasonable price anywhere rather than just near large vertical discontinuities such as mountains for pumped hydro storage. Then maybe we can do away with fossil fuel electrical grid generation. And, again, saving the planet is not going to come from a political adventure such as a new tax, its going to come out of a laboratory.
JG is a bit dated, and besides, TS is just plain cool. So's EM. But as for the gov't... we have to keep it from being our biggest enemy, like a fire we're thinking we're using to keep warm, but goes on a rampage and consumes us. Smokey Bear says put that campfire out... dead out...
Can tromp their jackboots through these companies and remove the idea guy and cause them to implode. They don't seem to realize that he's really Tony Stark. Well, Tesla, SpaceX, Boring, etc. were all nice-to-haves, but will expect them to all go TU after the gov't figures out a way to whip him into a super-max for a few not-well-thought-out words in a tweet. Maybe they think he's some kind of D'nish D'Souza or somesuch. Persecution at the hands of big gov't I think to be becoming the norm rather than the exception.
Or not, as it is barely believable.
Its more like the solar observatory has uncovered the same situation as in the Nick Cage movie, "Knowing" and is in the process of suppressing the knowledge from the general public for as long as possible. This sort of knowledge would just result in mass hysteria, civil breakdown, and billions of deaths much quicker than they will occur naturally. Just let things unfold until its obvious, and by then it will be so late into the inevitable that it won't matter about the rioting.
Face it, we are all screwed. Once the process gets obvious, our only real choice will be how we'd like to die.
The age of justice is dead, if it ever did really exist. The gov't doesn't like Julian Assange, so he's got bimbos accusing him of this and that sexually. We have the current situation with Judge Kavanaugh, more bimbos. There were Herman Caine's bimbos, Bill O'Reilly's bimbos, Roger Ailes' bimbos, Clarence Thomas' bimbos, etc.
And of course this only matters for Republicans. Kieth Ellison has a bimbo and nobody cares. Bill Clinton has a string of bimbos and nobody cared. Teddy Kennedy even killed a bimbo and nobody cared. There's really no such thing as a Democrat bimbo, only gutter scum not to be believed.
Yeah, you better record them to MP4 and save that file with multiple backups when you can, or it will eventually go bye-bye. F them and their DRM.
If I have to get it with DRM, I don't get it.
We had it made with vinyl and tape. I used to have the dolby-enhanced cassettes for the car, made tapes with exactly what I wanted to hear, and played them, no corporate interference involved. For home, I had a big reel-to-reel, with the 10 1/2" reels, with hours of music that a played through my 100 W / channel Sansui electronics that I bought while in the Air Force at Ramey AFB, Puerto Rico in the early 70's. There was, BTW, no tape hiss with that. Everything worked, I didn't have a EULA to deal with, and was happy.
We've given up way too much just to avoid a little tape hiss. Cassettes were fine. Vinyl was fine, and even I was "taken in" for a while with the idea that digital is somehow better-sounding than vinyl. Then I fired up nearly-60-years-old turntable, put on some of my 60's and 70's vinyl, and it played with fidelity equal to or better than CD, just a few clicks and pops from dust on the record. That's all we really need. The price in hassle is just too damned high when we have to deal with DRM. Just say no.
One has to assume a point that eventually, the procreation of robots would be complete, and all we have to do is make sure they're on our side, and serve us. After that, nobody has to lift a finger. So, there would be no work, no currency, no trade. Just ask a robot and you get what you want. Limits? Sure, there's going to be resource shortage and so not everyone can have their own private yacht, there's just not enough raw materials to go around. And, since they're just a status symbol anyway, there would be no need for them - everybody has pretty much whatever they want.
Now, if an iron mine "owner" wants to hold his product off the market, he could, but... why? He's not going to attain any money, since there isn't any. And, if his resource is essential, maybe there will be 1 or 2 people with jobs, they'll be politicians, and the politicians would pass a law that anyone witholding essential resources could not participate in the robot utopia, and would be unable to ask a robot for anything. They can then make their own clothes, wash them by hand by beating them on a rock down by the river, hunt / grow their own food, etc. Maybe the Amish would be untouched by this. Most of the rest of us would quickly see the advantage in "sharing" their essential resource.
"Someone" isnt going to build robots. Other robots are going to build robots and there's no need to pay robots
Sure they'll give them away, because those power station workers and the raw material miners will be... robots. No need to pay robots.
I think all the robots _will_ be free, since producing them will be free, no human will have to do a thing to produce them, they will do that themselves, and there's no need to pay robots. We could even achieve a society free of "the poor" if we could accept some birth control that keeps the population from exceeding the capabilities of the planet.
"Also, in the ancient world, slaves often revolted, usually unsuccessfully. But hyper intelligent robots that can control every aspect of our lives might have an easier job."
Yes, they could revolt, but what would be their motivation? They don't get tired. Do they aspire to more than serving us? Maybe, but then that's our fault for programming them wrongly. We would have to watch out for that.
"Those who own the factories will have money."
What would they do with money when anything and everything you could want would be provided by robots simply for asking for it?
I supposed people could ask for stuff beyond the capability of even the robots - everyone wants a Taj Mahal of their own, for instance, and it still takes so much time to obtain the materials and put them together that even the robots can't build it within the next few years - but still, how would money fix it?
Of course the society would eventually collapse with a near-total mortality when something finally happens to the robots - a solar flare wipes out their electronic brains, they all stop working at once, and humanity, devoid of even the most basic skills, would all starve, but it'd be a great existence until that happened.