Uh no. Gnome runs on FreeBSD, but you've got to use the ports. KDE runs well on FreeBSD, but you generally should stay away from the KDE and Qt ports IMO.
What really shows why I don't like Gnome is its configure stuff. It's really bastardized the autoconf mess. If you want to run code out of Gnome's CVS tree, chances are it won't run on FreeBSD (or run period..) without a lot of tweaking. KDE tends to be easier to get up and running from the CVS tree.
GNAT == Excellent Environment
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Solaris 2.6 and 2.5.1 are oldish for instance. Sure Sun is good at supporting them, but they're still old, and 2.5.1 is just awful. I don't know much about HP-UX versioning but I saw binaries for only one version (10.20), which IIRC is not the most current. Sure there may be quite an installed base of poeple with Solaris 2.5.1, but the sheer fact that there aren't binaries for more OSes (or versions thereof) proves my point. Ada is a lesser used language, it doesn't run everywhere, it won't run on my FreeBSD box, etc. I'm sure Ada bindings for KDE/Qt would be a great asset, but seeing as KDE doesn't focus on one OS or one version of an OS, I don't think that Ada bindings will happen as soon as they did for Gtk+ which is very tied in to Linux and Linux only.
Each distribution pretty much tweaks the kernel config to their own needs. So each distro ships with a different set of drivers compiled in. Espero que entiendas (I think that's what I meant to say).
Debian provides support, no? And yes I remember Debian for that extremist Bruce? Perens? What a good reason not to use Linux.
Window wannabe? Take a look at this - How?
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Now I'm curious, what if any documentation on Qt themeability is there? That would make porting to Qt 2.0 so much more fun:}
Uhh no. A quick check on the master site reveals a Linux binary (for libc5 and one for libc6), a singular binary for Sparc Solaris 2.5.1 (at least two Solaris versions behind..), one for an old version of HP-UX, one for an old version of Irix, DU, and an old version of Solaris x86. Either way, it's somewhat encompasing, but as I said, it supports one free Unixish OS, and some outdated comercial ones. Not good enough. As for the non Unix OSes, I'm not really concerned with those:}
Well, that said, I really don't agree with you there. Think about it, how is TT going to support Qt if there's a bunch of different modified versions out there. Look at the Linux kernel, each distro has its own kernel pretty much. That's fine because there are rather large companies supporting them, but TT are the only people supporting Qt right now, and such high level projects tend to attract more script kiddies, meaning I seriously doubt that one big company would take over the support... and TT's "support" is bad enough as-is.
Yeah and the nice jump from 0.33 to 0.90 with no coresponding jump in stability.
gtk-- is such peace of crap.
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So start work from the C bindings that Roberto made if you're so hell bent on a C toolkit. Why not have a punch card toolkit?
Paranoia, spammers, lazyness...
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That's such a load of shit. If what you're spewing is really worth saying, wait until you're home from work. If you don't have a computer or inet access at home, go to a public library. There's no reason to be an AC, esp. because you're not required to give out your true email address to all of/.. Get a life.
Yeah you must speak the gospel truth, with out a doubt *nod*. Hey I've got one, if you're not a complete zealot, like moderation, functionality over flash, use KDE.
You obviously haven't looked at it yourself, otherwise you wouldn't make such factless stupid comments. There are bindings for C, Perl, Python and perhaps Tk for KDE.
And you're obviously not sorry to say what you've said. So stop saying you're sorry.. in the words of a wise person I once knew.. you're cheapening the words [dumbass].
I'm sure if there was a demand for Ada bindings, people would make them. Hell I'd volunter to make them, but it means I would have to ditch FreeBSD, something I'm not willing to do (well that and I'd have to learn Ada..).
Ada is a language. The Ada compiler (that I know of) that is supported by egcs, Gnat, works primarily with Linux, and a few other comercial Unicies. Chances are if you're as Linux-centric as Gnome, you'll have Ada bindings, otherwise I doubt it.
And people like you who seem to hide behind AC just to bitch and moan everytime people aren't jizzing their pants over Linux need to get a life. 'Nuff said.
Uh no. KDE 1.2 has been shipped with a few known bugs. Me.. I don't like this policy of meet the deadline rather than meet quality standards. But some of the powers-that-be just couldn't wait. Not much can be done about that. And yes I hope 1.1.1 is shipped soon.
We have animosity for Apple and Microsoft
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Yeah that's it. I happen to LOVE the MacOS interface. Sure MacOS itself is technologically crap, but its interface rocks. It's amazingly consistant, easy to use, and very slick. Sure there are quite a few limitations like the fact that it's not designed for multitasking, but you get over them quicly when you see how easy it is to configure the whole box.
By the same token, it's sad really how unreliable MacOS is. It has (had?) such promise but it doesn't manage to stay running very long. I remember using a PM 7100 with an early version of OpenTransport.. yikes that thing was crash happy. But at least it was easy to use (and I love the MacOS 8 Icons..). Installing stuff like system enablers (OS patches of sorts) rocked.. the whole extensions modle where you drag 'n' drop drivers was very slick. Win95 is such a hack in comparison. And oh yea the ejectable floppy is amazing. I'm really sad Windows doesn't have that software (Although I've seen some software.. FastTrack for DOS I think it was that does auto detection of floppy disks..).
I am glad to be rid of Win95/98/NT. If I could run MacOS on my computer natively....
Blow it out your a-hole. Who cares. Apparently NetBSD's port to a NEW arch is boring for you Linux people, so why should the rest of us care that Linux is being ported to x86? Wait? What? Linux doesn't run on x86? Yeah whatever.
Really eh? Look who is smearing who here. And it's almost amusing how I'm using my real name, and yet, *gasp* you can't even slander people like a person with a spine.
'Sides look who jumped on who. Seems like the Linux "camp" has some inate need to yawn everytime BSD news is posted. Get over yourself, you're not all that you never will be.
And how do you define criminal activity? What you amy think is leagal might be considered horribly illegal by the controling body. Imagine if your beloved Linux became criminal activity. Not fun (for you).
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I don't know about the various Gnome apps.. I think GNUmeric reads/writes Execl files.. I know the KOffice programs all use XML.
Tacos son comidas americanas. Por favor piensa antes de hablar.
(See how dangerous High School Spanish classes are?)
Uh no. Gnome runs on FreeBSD, but you've got to use the ports. KDE runs well on FreeBSD, but you generally should stay away from the KDE and Qt ports IMO.
What really shows why I don't like Gnome is its configure stuff. It's really bastardized the autoconf mess. If you want to run code out of Gnome's CVS tree, chances are it won't run on FreeBSD (or run period..) without a lot of tweaking. KDE tends to be easier to get up and running from the CVS tree.
Solaris 2.6 and 2.5.1 are oldish for instance. Sure Sun is good at supporting them, but they're still old, and 2.5.1 is just awful. I don't know much about HP-UX versioning but I saw binaries for only one version (10.20), which IIRC is not the most current. Sure there may be quite an installed base of poeple with Solaris 2.5.1, but the sheer fact that there aren't binaries for more OSes (or versions thereof) proves my point. Ada is a lesser used language, it doesn't run everywhere, it won't run on my FreeBSD box, etc. I'm sure Ada bindings for KDE/Qt would be a great asset, but seeing as KDE doesn't focus on one OS or one version of an OS, I don't think that Ada bindings will happen as soon as they did for Gtk+ which is very tied in to Linux and Linux only.
Each distribution pretty much tweaks the kernel config to their own needs. So each distro ships with a different set of drivers compiled in. Espero que entiendas (I think that's what I meant to say).
Debian provides support, no? And yes I remember Debian for that extremist Bruce? Perens? What a good reason not to use Linux.
Now I'm curious, what if any documentation on Qt themeability is there? That would make porting to Qt 2.0 so much more fun :}
- alex
Oh back that up please. Your unfounded comments are on par with the average /. reader.
Uhh no. A quick check on the master site reveals a Linux binary (for libc5 and one for libc6), a singular binary for Sparc Solaris 2.5.1 (at least two Solaris versions behind..), one for an old version of HP-UX, one for an old version of Irix, DU, and an old version of Solaris x86. Either way, it's somewhat encompasing, but as I said, it supports one free Unixish OS, and some outdated comercial ones. Not good enough. As for the non Unix OSes, I'm not really concerned with those :}
Well, that said, I really don't agree with you there. Think about it, how is TT going to support Qt if there's a bunch of different modified versions out there. Look at the Linux kernel, each distro has its own kernel pretty much. That's fine because there are rather large companies supporting them, but TT are the only people supporting Qt right now, and such high level projects tend to attract more script kiddies, meaning I seriously doubt that one big company would take over the support... and TT's "support" is bad enough as-is.
That said, I use Gimp, wmaker so there.
Yeah and the nice jump from 0.33 to 0.90 with no coresponding jump in stability.
So start work from the C bindings that Roberto made if you're so hell bent on a C toolkit. Why not have a punch card toolkit?
That's such a load of shit. If what you're spewing is really worth saying, wait until you're home from work. If you don't have a computer or inet access at home, go to a public library. There's no reason to be an AC, esp. because you're not required to give out your true email address to all of /.. Get a life.
Yeah you must speak the gospel truth, with out a doubt *nod*. Hey I've got one, if you're not a complete zealot, like moderation, functionality over flash, use KDE.
You obviously haven't looked at it yourself, otherwise you wouldn't make such factless stupid comments. There are bindings for C, Perl, Python and perhaps Tk for KDE.
And you're obviously not sorry to say what you've said. So stop saying you're sorry.. in the words of a wise person I once knew.. you're cheapening the words [dumbass].
I'm sure if there was a demand for Ada bindings, people would make them. Hell I'd volunter to make them, but it means I would have to ditch FreeBSD, something I'm not willing to do (well that and I'd have to learn Ada..).
Ada is a language. The Ada compiler (that I know of) that is supported by egcs, Gnat, works primarily with Linux, and a few other comercial Unicies. Chances are if you're as Linux-centric as Gnome, you'll have Ada bindings, otherwise I doubt it.
You must have missed that ;-)
Who said he was alluding to a monitor?
And you're someone I'd want to associate Linux with, because you and people like you give me a damn good excuse to bash Linux.
And people like you who seem to hide behind AC just to bitch and moan everytime people aren't jizzing their pants over Linux need to get a life. 'Nuff said.
Uh no. KDE 1.2 has been shipped with a few known bugs. Me.. I don't like this policy of meet the deadline rather than meet quality standards. But some of the powers-that-be just couldn't wait. Not much can be done about that. And yes I hope 1.1.1 is shipped soon.
Yeah that's it. I happen to LOVE the MacOS interface. Sure MacOS itself is technologically crap, but its interface rocks. It's amazingly consistant, easy to use, and very slick. Sure there are quite a few limitations like the fact that it's not designed for multitasking, but you get over them quicly when you see how easy it is to configure the whole box.
By the same token, it's sad really how unreliable MacOS is. It has (had?) such promise but it doesn't manage to stay running very long. I remember using a PM 7100 with an early version of OpenTransport.. yikes that thing was crash happy. But at least it was easy to use (and I love the MacOS 8 Icons..). Installing stuff like system enablers (OS patches of sorts) rocked.. the whole extensions modle where you drag 'n' drop drivers was very slick. Win95 is such a hack in comparison. And oh yea the ejectable floppy is amazing. I'm really sad Windows doesn't have that software (Although I've seen some software.. FastTrack for DOS I think it was that does auto detection of floppy disks..).
I am glad to be rid of Win95/98/NT. If I could run MacOS on my computer natively....
Blow it out your a-hole. Who cares. Apparently NetBSD's port to a NEW arch is boring for you Linux people, so why should the rest of us care that Linux is being ported to x86? Wait? What? Linux doesn't run on x86? Yeah whatever.
Really eh? Look who is smearing who here. And it's almost amusing how I'm using my real name, and yet, *gasp* you can't even slander people like a person with a spine.
'Sides look who jumped on who. Seems like the Linux "camp" has some inate need to yawn everytime BSD news is posted. Get over yourself, you're not all that you never will be.
2) have criminal activity to hide
And how do you define criminal activity? What you amy think is leagal might be considered horribly illegal by the controling body. Imagine if your beloved Linux became criminal activity. Not fun (for you).
- alex
Gee what a nice objective article, that managed to state nothing without implying something negative about the "other" project.
What a crock.
Ehm. Why is it searching for topicsuse.gif?