Hi, Slashdot is probably the last place I could expect to find an article of my country. I am pretty sure many of you didnt even know where Honduras was located before the coup, and still probably don't know. This is very shameful for me, because the world has come to know what a pitiful society we have become.
I think my opinion is the most unbiased you can find in Honduras. I work for a tech. company and have never participated in any election. That in itself tells you a lot about what I think of our "democracy".
In the specific case of Zelaya's removal, I can tell you that he is no more or less corrupt than all of our previous presidents had been. The guy is stupid, but again, he is just one more of the clan. Was he trying to get reelected for another term by amending the constitution? Most likely yes. Is that reason enough to send 200 military and then abduct him and take him to another country against his own will? Definitely not.
Justified or not, this is a military coup, call it humanitary, anti Chavez, popular or whatever you like, but it still is a military coup. Does our constitution provide a way to impeach a president? No it does not, but there is a very good reason for that. If there was a way to remove a president from office in Honduras, then the military would have done so a long time ago. The only way our constitution lets a president to leave office is through death or proven severe illness, he isn't even allowed to leave office by his own will.
One more thing, during the coup, the military cut off electricity in most of the country, strike bombers were sent out to patrol the skies, independent media outlets were shut down, CNN and other international news outlets were taken off by the cable companies via direct orders of the military, the pro-coup media was made to transmit cartoons and soccer matches(this was very common in the 1980's coups in Latin America). I can hardly see whats so f****ing "constitutional" about that. Until today, we are not allowed to be on the streets after 11:00pm, and whenever there are news showing marches in favor of Zelaya in independent or pro Zelaya news channels, the signal miraculously goes off.
On the issue about the computers. Don't expect any news coming from the government controlled media to be reliable. During the day of the coup, the congress presented a resignation note from Zelaya, which everybody later found out it was a fake. The note was never heard of again.
Zelaya might be a lousy and corrupt head of state, but if this justifies a military coup, then maybe even the USA would have deserved one during the last administration.
One more thing, our constitution prohibits that any Honduras citizen is taken out of the country by his/her own will. Just do your own math, and from all the things I've told you, guess which side has violated or constitution the most?
But they did an half assed legal job to "impeach" him. If he made a crime, he sould have been impeached, arrested and sent on trial for his crimes, not simply taking him away ilegally -acording to the same Constitution than everyone is quoting. On something has important like the Presidency of a country, following the correct legal procedures is vital. If the current honduran government did it they woldn't be in this mess. Unless we must accept that on Constitutions, the only articles that apply are only the ones we like, like both parties did in Honduras.
So is easier to force people to vote for the "correct" guys in office. This is a real trouble in all the places where the votes are casted without secrecy, like workers unions and certain polical parties; at least, here in Mexico elections for most union leaders and primaries in many political parties are done this way. Is no wonder that we have ended with hereditary position "workers leaders" and the same corrupt people in Congress time after time.
The de facto government in Honduras is looking for pretexts to justify their takeover of power. More than the "Chávez spin" on this coup d'etát, the new govenment has made more than enough proofs that what they are doing is illegal:
-They created a fake letter of resignation the same day that Congress designated the current de facto president, Roberto Micheletti
-The top legal officer of the Army stated that what they did to the president Zelaya was ilegal.
This election was no legally binding, the incentive to fake results was low. At best, a win for president Zelaya only would have strengtened a little his political position on his last months of being president, since for everyone would have been clear that this poll had the same statistical value than slasdot polls.
Coupled with the power source this thing on the field would have a huge heat signature that would work like a beacon for enemy missiles I guess, but I will gladly be corrected by any reader that served on the armed forces and have a better idea.
After all, this would make more compelling to attack soft targets and use terrorist tactics. Even using robots and modern tech, it is really hard to have full surveillance in a city; and without human inteligence, the risk of hitting the wrong target goes up. Certainly, instead of blowing up a wedding party, the operators of this weapons could kill only the groom, but you still will end with a bunch of angry people not willing to support your policies and diminish the legitimacy of the local government.
The problem in Pakistan is mostly a lack of legitimacy and the perception that the current government is only a puppet of USA. Those weapons will not change that, unless both governments really want to go to massive pollitical asesinations and rule only by fear.
Thats correct. Here in Mexico, the recently privatized Aeromexico has a route Mexico City-Tijuana-Narita (Tokyo). To cut costs, instead of changing crews at Tijuana, a single crew used to make the whole fligth. Until a stewardness died for overwork and stress, and a local paper made public the mess the administration was doing, the company reverted to the old operating procedure. I believe that this change had more to do with the FAA and japanese autorities than our own air traffic autority. It is not uncommon to see news of local planes at local routes dropping pieces at take off.
Since GP can't understand the pernicious effect of wealth disparity in a society, I will point him to a pair of places: Mexico, my country, has the 3rd richest man in the world, but is a place where the minimum wage is US$3.5 daily and 60% of population lives on such misery that they die on the desert trying to reach the American dream. It is no wonder that this country of 107 million people is (or was) a market with an economy marginally larger than Spain, has a murder rate worst than Iraq and crime gangs more powerful than many armies around the world.
The second place is Japan, that used to have 95% of its population firmly in the middle class, one of the safest places in the world and the second largest economy in the world with a territory 20 times smaller than USA and 38% of its population and no natural resources. But one of the countries if not the one with the smallest wealth disparity in the world.
I understand the pride of Americans or Europeans, but to say that the system works in its current state in view of the actual turmoil is ridiculous. I can't understand why people is oblivious to the fact that if the system doesn't chance, America an Europe will be more like current Mexico and less like what they are today.
Yup, that pretty much sums it up how this guys and many others work here in Mexico too. It is no surprise that we are one of the countries with worst pollution on soil and rivers. Sadly, most people here thinks thas this is the way that things sould be.
I'm from Mexico; I work in a datacenter for the state power company. The orders that came from the top level officers were that all the personnel working in key facilities like data-comm centers, power plants and powerstations are that if you feel even a little bit sick you sould go to the doctor and skip job. It's more important to have a clean and safe workplace and provide people energy at this moments of fear than care what would say a foolish PHB. Thanks to electricity and the web people are in their homes, not outside. People, specially in Mexico City are in enough fear with a plage and a earthquake; real panic would spread at the moment of a blackout.
In other order of ideas, today my city, Guadalajara, that still havent been hit by the disease, felt really empty, almost like a city after the attack of the "12 Monkeys". Surreal, even for our standards.
Really, thats so insignificant that doesn't matters in the big scheme of things. Certainly, the Mac fanboys that believe that their Macs are inmune to malware make a fool of themshelves, but it is way easier and faster to secure a Mac or a Linux install than a Windows install. For starters, even Windows Vista shows a red alert if you aren't running antivirus software.
But really, I'm impressed that they found people fool enough to download from a dubious source iWork09 when they have the faster and safer option to download it from the Apple website iteself. Pirating Photoshop CS4 is short of understandable, its price goes around 30-50% of the price of the lowest end Mac hardware. This was bound to happen, and one of the reasons that I suggest my Mac user friends to not pirate software or install any random software that they found on the web.
The sad part is that the people affected by this troyan almost surelly could have found the infection if they checked the logs of their own system. This is a case were stupidity really sould be more painful, for their own good.
Our current "War on Drugs" was intended originally as a media circus; a way to make a show of strength after the contested presidential election of 2006. Since it was a political move, they didn't thougth about the reaction of the drug cartels; aside the increse of violence, now the drug cartels are also in the kidnapping bussiness and traffic of cuban and centroamerican immigrants. The violence is now way, way worst than 3-4 years ago. This law is only to appear that they are "doing something" against crime. It doesn't matter if it works or not.
The drug problem grow especially after the collapse of agriculture and many industries after NAFTA and the financial crisis of 1994. Our small farmers didn't stand a chance against the heavy subzidized crops from USA and European Union, so the ones who didn't emigrate to USA became members of drug gangs. It didn't help that the Fox administration was in bed with the Cartel of Sinaloa and helped it to become the giant crime Syndicate that it is now, able to wage a war against everybody else at the same time. The top level security officers of the current administration served also under Fox, and these guys are so bad and incompetent that they make the Bush administration a shinning example of honestity, inteligence and integrity in comparation.
We had an rigged election in Mexico in 2006, but 2 million people marching in Mexico City din't appear on the Tv screens of Mexico or the world. Sorry, but the CIA have and deserves the same credibility that Pravda and Granma.
I have 2 Firewire cameras, one is DV and the other is a FullHD JVC Everio. The lack of Firewire ports souldn't be so bad in day to day use if the new laptops sported at least another USB port. I'm typping this in a last generation Macbook, and only have in this momment only free the firewire port, because I left my external HD at home. One port for USB key, one port for USB wireless modem, and thats all, I can't connect more devices to my laptop. At least they could have included eSATA for external HDD's. The new machines are very powerful, but crippled by the lack of ports. And the new MBP model doesn't have FW400, it is way more powerful, but less useful than the old model. This makes almost pointless to have for default apps like iMovie or OS features like Time Machine.
Simply is not elegant to have to carry a powed USB hub around. This time the industrial design crippled the electronics design.
It wouldn't be so bad if at least they had included a eSATA port. I love my Iomega dual bay HD case; it is perfect when working in iMovie in my iMac 24" conneccted by FW800, but now even the most cheap HD cases have eSATA ports. With the limited internal space of iMacs and laptops, this would be the perfect feature por the iMac line and Apple laptops, if they are dropping Firewire.
Well, if the US corporations and our puppet governments south of Rio Grande didn't made a wasteland of Latin America, you could bet that people here wouldn't risk death in the desert in their quest to get better wages. For example, a qualified engineer in Mexico at best gets a daily wage similar to the minimum wage in California, but we pay more for manufactured goods than americans, and higher taxes. I understand your anger against ilegal inmigrants, since they push wages down for starters, but it would be better for them and american citizens if you simply fined them and legalize their presence in your country, and make them pay taxes like everybody else.
Much of the crap of Clinton's and Bush's administrations was practiced in Latin America in the last decades. It was just a matter of time that the same inhuman policies crept up to America itself. A poor american isn't all that different from a poor brazilian.
Back on topic, speeedtest.net reports that Russia has way faster broadband connections than USA, despite being two times bigger. That trows away the argument of USA's size for the slow connectivity. It's pure greed of the corporations, they want money for almost nothing.
I think that the only missing option in Apple's offers is a eSATA port. Time Machine, iMovie and iPhoto use a lot of disk space. Most people's need of upgrade comes from the lack of internal disk space/internal HDD bays. This could be easily fixed with an eSATA port. Even the Mac Mini would be greatly enhanced with this.
I wish I could get 2Mb down/ 128k up broadband for $50 where I live in USA You get that service in the main cities of Mexico, like Mexico City, Guadalajara, Monterrey or Tijuana. That's the advertised speed, but on average you get a third of that, both ways. I should have elaborated in my previous post...
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$50 monthly for "that" broadband is really expensive when you take into account that the minimum wage in Mexico is less of US$0.50 by hour. It's like paying $250 for that in the US. Mexico is one of the countries with the most expensive telecomm services in the world. No wonder, a single company, Telmex, controls all the POTS market in the country, and most of broadband an cell phone markets; in TV, only two companies -Televisa an TV Azteca- controls 97% of the market.
Now, for some mods that couldn't put the party line to rest, from the linked article:
The two authors of the article, entitled "Another instance where privatisation trumped liberalisation: the politics of telecommunications reform in South Africa - a ten year perspective", are Willie Currie, a former counsellor of the Independent Communications Authority of SA; and Robert Horwitz, a member of the department of communication at the University of California in San Diego.
The article, which is supported extensively by recent interviews with the key players, describes in chilling detail the forces that shaped telecoms policy in South Africa in the crucial period between 1994 and 2004.
It recounts the manner in which the new democratic government's worthy intentions - to roll out telephone service to the previously disadvantaged and establish an independent regulator to oversee the reform - were thwarted by lack of trust in democratic structures outside of the ANC's immediate control and the ANC's inability to control powerful international players involved in privatisation.
You could do a search->replace, changing South Africa for Mexico, and ANC for PRI/PAN (Mexico's right parties, the de facto governing coalition since 1988), and the premise of the article will still be true.
Similar policies made Carlos Slim, owner of Telmex, richer than Bill Gates. The guy owns the 8% of mexican economy; we pay monthly US$50 for a crappy 2Mb-download/128k upload "broadband" connection. The bastard owns the president, the Congress and the worthless mexican Supreme Court.
But America sould not worry. George W. Bush is the first mexican president of USA, so I'm sure that USA will become like Mexico in 20 years if the neocons get their way. We in Mexico are already used to see our presidents behave with the usual disregard for democracy, citizens, the Constitution and law, but thanks to our crushed economy and small army, they are only a contained danger for Mexicans. Bush's behavior mirrors the policies, the corruption, the cronyism of the Mexican presidents of the last 30 years, but I guess that Americans will wake up until they began to be hunted by the Canadian Immigration and Naturalization Service, and see the Chinese flag in Capitol Hill.
is the same thing. That's how Carlos Slim, the company's owner, became richer than Bill Gates. The guy owns the 8% of mexican economy; we pay montly US$50 for a crappy 2Mb-download/128k upload "broadband" connection. The bastard owns the president, the Congress and the worthless mexican Supreme Court.
But America sould not worry. George W. Bush is the first mexican president of USA, so I'm sure that USA will become like Mexico in 20 years if the neocons get their way.
In Latin America, most of the CIA approved dictatorships had the active support of the Catholic Church. In Venezuela, even the archbishop of Caracas had the gal to sign the dissolution of the constitutional government in the failed coup d'etat of April 2002.
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But they did an half assed legal job to "impeach" him. If he made a crime, he sould have been impeached, arrested and sent on trial for his crimes, not simply taking him away ilegally -acording to the same Constitution than everyone is quoting. On something has important like the Presidency of a country, following the correct legal procedures is vital. If the current honduran government did it they woldn't be in this mess. Unless we must accept that on Constitutions, the only articles that apply are only the ones we like, like both parties did in Honduras.
So is easier to force people to vote for the "correct" guys in office. This is a real trouble in all the places where the votes are casted without secrecy, like workers unions and certain polical parties; at least, here in Mexico elections for most union leaders and primaries in many political parties are done this way. Is no wonder that we have ended with hereditary position "workers leaders" and the same corrupt people in Congress time after time.
The de facto government in Honduras is looking for pretexts to justify their takeover of power. More than the "Chávez spin" on this coup d'etát, the new govenment has made more than enough proofs that what they are doing is illegal:
-They created a fake letter of resignation the same day that Congress designated the current de facto president, Roberto Micheletti
-The top legal officer of the Army stated that what they did to the president Zelaya was ilegal.
This election was no legally binding, the incentive to fake results was low. At best, a win for president Zelaya only would have strengtened a little his political position on his last months of being president, since for everyone would have been clear that this poll had the same statistical value than slasdot polls.
Coupled with the power source this thing on the field would have a huge heat signature that would work like a beacon for enemy missiles I guess, but I will gladly be corrected by any reader that served on the armed forces and have a better idea.
I had the same issue with one of my macs and had to do the same :)
Strange bug.
After all, this would make more compelling to attack soft targets and use terrorist tactics. Even using robots and modern tech, it is really hard to have full surveillance in a city; and without human inteligence, the risk of hitting the wrong target goes up. Certainly, instead of blowing up a wedding party, the operators of this weapons could kill only the groom, but you still will end with a bunch of angry people not willing to support your policies and diminish the legitimacy of the local government.
The problem in Pakistan is mostly a lack of legitimacy and the perception that the current government is only a puppet of USA. Those weapons will not change that, unless both governments really want to go to massive pollitical asesinations and rule only by fear.
Welcome to the new Middle Age!
Thats correct. Here in Mexico, the recently privatized Aeromexico has a route Mexico City-Tijuana-Narita (Tokyo). To cut costs, instead of changing crews at Tijuana, a single crew used to make the whole fligth. Until a stewardness died for overwork and stress, and a local paper made public the mess the administration was doing, the company reverted to the old operating procedure. I believe that this change had more to do with the FAA and japanese autorities than our own air traffic autority. It is not uncommon to see news of local planes at local routes dropping pieces at take off.
What's keeping the lobbyists from spamming that site?
The fact that nobody takes them seriously.
Since GP can't understand the pernicious effect of wealth disparity in a society, I will point him to a pair of places: Mexico, my country, has the 3rd richest man in the world, but is a place where the minimum wage is US$3.5 daily and 60% of population lives on such misery that they die on the desert trying to reach the American dream. It is no wonder that this country of 107 million people is (or was) a market with an economy marginally larger than Spain, has a murder rate worst than Iraq and crime gangs more powerful than many armies around the world.
The second place is Japan, that used to have 95% of its population firmly in the middle class, one of the safest places in the world and the second largest economy in the world with a territory 20 times smaller than USA and 38% of its population and no natural resources. But one of the countries if not the one with the smallest wealth disparity in the world.
I understand the pride of Americans or Europeans, but to say that the system works in its current state in view of the actual turmoil is ridiculous. I can't understand why people is oblivious to the fact that if the system doesn't chance, America an Europe will be more like current Mexico and less like what they are today.
Yup, that pretty much sums it up how this guys and many others work here in Mexico too. It is no surprise that we are one of the countries with worst pollution on soil and rivers. Sadly, most people here thinks thas this is the way that things sould be.
I'm from Mexico; I work in a datacenter for the state power company. The orders that came from the top level officers were that all the personnel working in key facilities like data-comm centers, power plants and powerstations are that if you feel even a little bit sick you sould go to the doctor and skip job. It's more important to have a clean and safe workplace and provide people energy at this moments of fear than care what would say a foolish PHB. Thanks to electricity and the web people are in their homes, not outside. People, specially in Mexico City are in enough fear with a plage and a earthquake; real panic would spread at the moment of a blackout.
In other order of ideas, today my city, Guadalajara, that still havent been hit by the disease, felt really empty, almost like a city after the attack of the "12 Monkeys". Surreal, even for our standards.
Really, thats so insignificant that doesn't matters in the big scheme of things. Certainly, the Mac fanboys that believe that their Macs are inmune to malware make a fool of themshelves, but it is way easier and faster to secure a Mac or a Linux install than a Windows install. For starters, even Windows Vista shows a red alert if you aren't running antivirus software.
But really, I'm impressed that they found people fool enough to download from a dubious source iWork09 when they have the faster and safer option to download it from the Apple website iteself. Pirating Photoshop CS4 is short of understandable, its price goes around 30-50% of the price of the lowest end Mac hardware. This was bound to happen, and one of the reasons that I suggest my Mac user friends to not pirate software or install any random software that they found on the web.
The sad part is that the people affected by this troyan almost surelly could have found the infection if they checked the logs of their own system. This is a case were stupidity really sould be more painful, for their own good.
Our current "War on Drugs" was intended originally as a media circus; a way to make a show of strength after the contested presidential election of 2006. Since it was a political move, they didn't thougth about the reaction of the drug cartels; aside the increse of violence, now the drug cartels are also in the kidnapping bussiness and traffic of cuban and centroamerican immigrants. The violence is now way, way worst than 3-4 years ago. This law is only to appear that they are "doing something" against crime. It doesn't matter if it works or not.
The drug problem grow especially after the collapse of agriculture and many industries after NAFTA and the financial crisis of 1994. Our small farmers didn't stand a chance against the heavy subzidized crops from USA and European Union, so the ones who didn't emigrate to USA became members of drug gangs. It didn't help that the Fox administration was in bed with the Cartel of Sinaloa and helped it to become the giant crime Syndicate that it is now, able to wage a war against everybody else at the same time. The top level security officers of the current administration served also under Fox, and these guys are so bad and incompetent that they make the Bush administration a shinning example of honestity, inteligence and integrity in comparation.
We had an rigged election in Mexico in 2006, but 2 million people marching in Mexico City din't appear on the Tv screens of Mexico or the world. Sorry, but the CIA have and deserves the same credibility that Pravda and Granma.
I have 2 Firewire cameras, one is DV and the other is a FullHD JVC Everio. The lack of Firewire ports souldn't be so bad in day to day use if the new laptops sported at least another USB port. I'm typping this in a last generation Macbook, and only have in this momment only free the firewire port, because I left my external HD at home. One port for USB key, one port for USB wireless modem, and thats all, I can't connect more devices to my laptop. At least they could have included eSATA for external HDD's. The new machines are very powerful, but crippled by the lack of ports. And the new MBP model doesn't have FW400, it is way more powerful, but less useful than the old model. This makes almost pointless to have for default apps like iMovie or OS features like Time Machine.
Simply is not elegant to have to carry a powed USB hub around. This time the industrial design crippled the electronics design.
It wouldn't be so bad if at least they had included a eSATA port. I love my Iomega dual bay HD case; it is perfect when working in iMovie in my iMac 24" conneccted by FW800, but now even the most cheap HD cases have eSATA ports. With the limited internal space of iMacs and laptops, this would be the perfect feature por the iMac line and Apple laptops, if they are dropping Firewire.
I suppose they do multitasking: acept simultaneously pee and poo from the child processes.
Well, if the US corporations and our puppet governments south of Rio Grande didn't made a wasteland of Latin America, you could bet that people here wouldn't risk death in the desert in their quest to get better wages. For example, a qualified engineer in Mexico at best gets a daily wage similar to the minimum wage in California, but we pay more for manufactured goods than americans, and higher taxes. I understand your anger against ilegal inmigrants, since they push wages down for starters, but it would be better for them and american citizens if you simply fined them and legalize their presence in your country, and make them pay taxes like everybody else.
Much of the crap of Clinton's and Bush's administrations was practiced in Latin America in the last decades. It was just a matter of time that the same inhuman policies crept up to America itself. A poor american isn't all that different from a poor brazilian.
Back on topic, speeedtest.net reports that Russia has way faster broadband connections than USA, despite being two times bigger. That trows away the argument of USA's size for the slow connectivity. It's pure greed of the corporations, they want money for almost nothing.
I think that the only missing option in Apple's offers is a eSATA port. Time Machine, iMovie and iPhoto use a lot of disk space. Most people's need of upgrade comes from the lack of internal disk space/internal HDD bays. This could be easily fixed with an eSATA port. Even the Mac Mini would be greatly enhanced with this.
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$50 monthly for "that" broadband is really expensive when you take into account that the minimum wage in Mexico is less of US$0.50 by hour. It's like paying $250 for that in the US. Mexico is one of the countries with the most expensive telecomm services in the world. No wonder, a single company, Telmex, controls all the POTS market in the country, and most of broadband an cell phone markets; in TV, only two companies -Televisa an TV Azteca- controls 97% of the market.
Now, for some mods that couldn't put the party line to rest, from the linked article: The two authors of the article, entitled "Another instance where privatisation trumped liberalisation: the politics of telecommunications reform in South Africa - a ten year perspective", are Willie Currie, a former counsellor of the Independent Communications Authority of SA; and Robert Horwitz, a member of the department of communication at the University of California in San Diego.
The article, which is supported extensively by recent interviews with the key players, describes in chilling detail the forces that shaped telecoms policy in South Africa in the crucial period between 1994 and 2004.
It recounts the manner in which the new democratic government's worthy intentions - to roll out telephone service to the previously disadvantaged and establish an independent regulator to oversee the reform - were thwarted by lack of trust in democratic structures outside of the ANC's immediate control and the ANC's inability to control powerful international players involved in privatisation.
You could do a search->replace, changing South Africa for Mexico, and ANC for PRI/PAN (Mexico's right parties, the de facto governing coalition since 1988), and the premise of the article will still be true.
Similar policies made Carlos Slim, owner of Telmex, richer than Bill Gates. The guy owns the 8% of mexican economy; we pay monthly US$50 for a crappy 2Mb-download/128k upload "broadband" connection. The bastard owns the president, the Congress and the worthless mexican Supreme Court.
But America sould not worry. George W. Bush is the first mexican president of USA, so I'm sure that USA will become like Mexico in 20 years if the neocons get their way. We in Mexico are already used to see our presidents behave with the usual disregard for democracy, citizens, the Constitution and law, but thanks to our crushed economy and small army, they are only a contained danger for Mexicans. Bush's behavior mirrors the policies, the corruption, the cronyism of the Mexican presidents of the last 30 years, but I guess that Americans will wake up until they began to be hunted by the Canadian Immigration and Naturalization Service, and see the Chinese flag in Capitol Hill.
is the same thing. That's how Carlos Slim, the company's owner, became richer than Bill Gates. The guy owns the 8% of mexican economy; we pay montly US$50 for a crappy 2Mb-download/128k upload "broadband" connection. The bastard owns the president, the Congress and the worthless mexican Supreme Court.
But America sould not worry. George W. Bush is the first mexican president of USA, so I'm sure that USA will become like Mexico in 20 years if the neocons get their way.
BSD is still dead?
I'm from Mexico, and all the times that my country has been invaded by the USA, things didn't improve. The same for most countries in Central America.
Too true.
In Latin America, most of the CIA approved dictatorships had the active support of the Catholic Church. In Venezuela, even the archbishop of Caracas had the gal to sign the dissolution of the constitutional government in the failed coup d'etat of April 2002.