I believe that if the only offer is get 1 million bucks AND a kick in the crotch, it's probably worth it, but if there is an offer of a million bucks WITHOUT the crotch kick, take that deal.
In 1918, due to our limited technology, the 1st offer was all we had. We were right to take it. Now, the second is also on offer. We'd have to be stupid to take the first offer again.
Actually, I'm quite sure we will see technology changes. I am also quite sure the laws of physics will NOT change. filling our atmosphere with CO2 will remain a bad idea. We are now at a point where alternatives are pretty close to break even with fossil fuels as long as we don't do anything stupid like subsidize coal and other fossil fuels (oops) or let polluters be as nasty as they want to be (oops).
In that case, your goalposts are irrelevant to any decision making process (since we cannot now decide what we should do yesterday) and are irrelevant to the discussion (which is about what we should do now.
I agree that there is no reason to believe that the benefits of using petrolium going forward outweigh the costs. That's why I advocate transitioning away.
If we're all dead, the effect for us is indistinguishable from destruction of the planet. Your point is kind of like claiming the whole city wasn't destroyed, you saw a birds nest on what used to be Elm street that was only smouldering.
That's got to be it. Here I am offering a perfectly good job (mow my lawn once a week, BS in agronomy+5 years experience a must, bring your own mower plus gas and water, suit+tie expected while on the job minimum wage, no benefits, schedule will be posted 12 hours in advance.) and those damned slackers won't do it.
This is just the first step. Next step is vacations people can still afford. They just sit you in a simulator, show you a nice movie of what your flight would look like, throw away a few random items in your luggage and (if you choose the beach option) dump a vial of sand in your suitcase.
Actually, it seems to me that a Libertarian true believer would be fine with expecting everyone to properly pay their way rather than socializing parts of the cost.
You present a false dichotomy. That's why my comment about the goalposts moving.
More correctly, do I think they would be willing to move to carbon neutral sources of power and see less of those events, or stay with fossil fuels and see more such events. I am not aware of anyone saying we never should have used fossil fuels. There may be a few kooks who do, but absent a time machine, so what? The reality based question before us is should we move to renewables and/or nuclear power now.
I see a goalpost moving. There are a great many reasons for people to be healthier now than then. However, you might recall a little rain shower they had a little while ago that left them swimming for their lives. Do you believe they would like to see more or less such events in the future?
Pascal's wager suffers both credibility issues and the problem that one cannot actually believe something because belief is the safe route, one can only act as if they believe.
That's not the same situation as call 911, nothing happens though. That's why reporting that especially bad situation was not at all an attempt to sensationalize.
So we're in an airplane ready for our parachute jump and realize we've forgotten our chutes. We know we just wasted $200 if we don't jump. We can't prove for certain we'll die if we jump. In fact there are a few sparse reports of people surviving.
It's not sensationalism. In that location, you cannot call 911 on any phone, Comcast or not, because the 911 call center itself is down. In other areas, naturally your Comcast line can't call 911 (or anything else), but your cellphone would still work.
It's too costly and slows down business transactions to do a full background check and audit trail to vet out all the spammers. Imagine it takes a month to get residential telephone or cell phone.
They've been doing it from the beginning. Think about it, they know exactly where to send the bill and they already require some assurance that you can and will pay the bill. If it's a pre-paid burner, they at least know it's a pre-paid burner. If you don't pay the bill, they somehow manage to figure out what SIM to deactivate or what line to disconnect, even if it's pre-paid. If A corp is leasing 1000 lines, they know exactly which lines those are and exactly what phone numbers they might plausibly (legitimately) present in the caller ID.
They know that the zillion calls inbound from India or the Philippines are NOT coming from an Apple store in Texas. When that jackass (whoever it is) that spoofed my number and pissed some people enough that they called me, the various phone companies knew the call did not originate from my phone.
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More like I don't care about the bacteria, once all multi-cellular life is dead, the world as we know it has ended.
I believe that if the only offer is get 1 million bucks AND a kick in the crotch, it's probably worth it, but if there is an offer of a million bucks WITHOUT the crotch kick, take that deal.
In 1918, due to our limited technology, the 1st offer was all we had. We were right to take it. Now, the second is also on offer. We'd have to be stupid to take the first offer again.
I forGOT.....that robbing the liquor store is illegal
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So will the new CPU come with a bottle of two stroke oil so you can gas up the chiller and try it out right away?
Actually, I'm quite sure we will see technology changes. I am also quite sure the laws of physics will NOT change. filling our atmosphere with CO2 will remain a bad idea. We are now at a point where alternatives are pretty close to break even with fossil fuels as long as we don't do anything stupid like subsidize coal and other fossil fuels (oops) or let polluters be as nasty as they want to be (oops).
And you don't think there were any significant changes in technology during that time?
In that case, your goalposts are irrelevant to any decision making process (since we cannot now decide what we should do yesterday) and are irrelevant to the discussion (which is about what we should do now.
I agree that there is no reason to believe that the benefits of using petrolium going forward outweigh the costs. That's why I advocate transitioning away.
If we're all dead, the effect for us is indistinguishable from destruction of the planet. Your point is kind of like claiming the whole city wasn't destroyed, you saw a birds nest on what used to be Elm street that was only smouldering.
Naturally, the Republicans hate the Democrats so much they won't even vote for their own plan if a Democrat agrees with it.
That's what the party of NO is all about these days.
That's got to be it. Here I am offering a perfectly good job (mow my lawn once a week, BS in agronomy+5 years experience a must, bring your own mower plus gas and water, suit+tie expected while on the job minimum wage, no benefits, schedule will be posted 12 hours in advance.) and those damned slackers won't do it.
^THIS^ A thousand times over!
This is just the first step. Next step is vacations people can still afford. They just sit you in a simulator, show you a nice movie of what your flight would look like, throw away a few random items in your luggage and (if you choose the beach option) dump a vial of sand in your suitcase.
Your pedantry aside, does anything in your description of the "Great Dying." sound like something you would like to experience?
Actually, it seems to me that a Libertarian true believer would be fine with expecting everyone to properly pay their way rather than socializing parts of the cost.
You present a false dichotomy. That's why my comment about the goalposts moving.
More correctly, do I think they would be willing to move to carbon neutral sources of power and see less of those events, or stay with fossil fuels and see more such events. I am not aware of anyone saying we never should have used fossil fuels. There may be a few kooks who do, but absent a time machine, so what? The reality based question before us is should we move to renewables and/or nuclear power now.
I see a goalpost moving. There are a great many reasons for people to be healthier now than then. However, you might recall a little rain shower they had a little while ago that left them swimming for their lives. Do you believe they would like to see more or less such events in the future?
You should ask people in coastal Texas about that...
Pascal's wager suffers both credibility issues and the problem that one cannot actually believe something because belief is the safe route, one can only act as if they believe.
Your analogy fails to capture the magnitude of the consequences. It also fails to consider the considerable externalities.
That's not the same situation as call 911, nothing happens though. That's why reporting that especially bad situation was not at all an attempt to sensationalize.
So we're in an airplane ready for our parachute jump and realize we've forgotten our chutes. We know we just wasted $200 if we don't jump. We can't prove for certain we'll die if we jump. In fact there are a few sparse reports of people surviving.
So in your opinion, we should definitely jump?
It's not sensationalism. In that location, you cannot call 911 on any phone, Comcast or not, because the 911 call center itself is down. In other areas, naturally your Comcast line can't call 911 (or anything else), but your cellphone would still work.
It's too costly and slows down business transactions to do a full background check and audit trail to vet out all the spammers. Imagine it takes a month to get residential telephone or cell phone.
They've been doing it from the beginning. Think about it, they know exactly where to send the bill and they already require some assurance that you can and will pay the bill. If it's a pre-paid burner, they at least know it's a pre-paid burner. If you don't pay the bill, they somehow manage to figure out what SIM to deactivate or what line to disconnect, even if it's pre-paid. If A corp is leasing 1000 lines, they know exactly which lines those are and exactly what phone numbers they might plausibly (legitimately) present in the caller ID.
They know that the zillion calls inbound from India or the Philippines are NOT coming from an Apple store in Texas. When that jackass (whoever it is) that spoofed my number and pissed some people enough that they called me, the various phone companies knew the call did not originate from my phone.
TL;DR: Lame excuse is lame.
Microsoft has been sinking data centers since NT.
Ever try to whatsapp a business?
I do not advise attempting to whatsapp 911.