I intend to buy Windows and I want it to come with IE. What is your problem. If you don't want to see it go in control panel > programs and disable it.
What is more MS suggested to remove IE completely from the system but the regulators did not allow them. So obviously MS can conceive that people don't want "that crap" (except that people who actually want it) but they are not allowed to remove it. Now who is to blame?
The problem is that companies like MS (Oracle, Apple, Google too) do not do anything to initiate a patent reform. I perfectly understand why they patent like mad. I don't understand why they don't do anything to stop the cold patent war.
1. I am sure they are the ones that are the most sad about this. I don't see what it has to do with the fact that users are not upgrading it 3 years after an upgrade is available.
2. How is that there is no migration path? You can always buy a newer version of Windows and upgrade.
3. There is a way although not universal. Meta tag for IE7 compatibility and then no doctype which will activate quirks mode.
4. Alt > View > Toolbars > Menu bar.
First of all how is it Microsoft's fault that users do not upgrade their browsers? If users were using Netscape (whatever version it was when IE6 was released) it would be the same. I agree that IE7 is very wrong idea but what is wrong with IE8? And for what reason do you count IE8 in IE7 mode in the list of things you have to support. If you support IE8 then don't support IE7 mode because guess what IE8 mode is present on every browser that supports IE8 in IE7 mode. Also consider that when 60% (for example) of your customers are using IE then the time that is wasted is the time on the other browsers because of the relative value that it brings. You don't count the browsers you count the users. Some websites can happily drop IE support just because the target group does not use IE. I doubt Gentoo's website cares about IE:)
I don't know if you are aware but there is not HTML5 standard yet and probably won't be for years. So the browsers that support HTML5 stuff are just supporting some arbitrary wish list and now because of this support HTML5 cannot be changed because someone is using it and changing it even if it is wrong will break exsisting sites. This is exactly why MS struggles with these 4 IE modes (you really need to support 3 and IE7 will go away really soon).
To be honest I don't believe in standards. I've never seen them work. It is even more annoying that people accept that what Firefox is doing is the standard. You just need to search the web about why innerHtml cannot be set for tables in the IE to find people complaining that IE didn't implement innerHtml according to the standard when innerHtml is not in the standard at all and what is more it was invented for IE. And then the people who bitch about alt attribute on an img tag not being displayed as a tooltip in IE8 when alt surely should not be displayed as a tooltip in any browser.
If I was not a web dev I may have believed your words. However some things in our project stopped working when Chrome was updated to v2 (they used to work in v1).
I've seen perfectly valid HTML that renders differently in Firefox, Chrome and Opera (should I even mention IE?). While we all agree that IE6 is pain we should not put the blame on Microsoft. After all if we had to support versions of Netscape from the time of IE6 they would be pain too and I am sure MS want to see IE6 gone more than anyone else. IE8 is as different from the other browsers as they are among themselves. I have as much trouble fixing IE8 quirks as I have fixing Opera, Firefox and Chrome/Safari quirks.
And if Google were all about standards then what is Gears? I personally see this Chrome Frame + Gears thing as the next ActiveX.
Except that IE is not the slowest browser of all. In fact IE is probably the fastest browser in completing a page load and this is why MS picked this comparison when they claimed that IE is the fastest browser. As Mark Twain said "Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please."
IE is very slow when running JavaScript but this is something completely different.
OK so if MS really wanted to go open source to the degree meaningful to their business what should they do so Slashdot will say something positive? What would you do if you were in charge for the MS open source strategy?
Exactly. MS should shove 64 bit down users' throats. Otherwise at some point in the future people will curse 32 bit Windows much the same way they curse IE6 now. After all IE6 was fine when it was release. The problem is users not upgrading an ancient browser. Do we want users not upgrading ancient architecture? Go, Microsoft, go!
If I were Microsoft I wouldn't make 32 bit Windows 7 at all.
Hmm I play SC since it was released and it has been years since I last got a chance to play LAN. I wonder where you got a chance to play LAN at all, let alone why you want to do it. The year is 2009 for Google's sake!
Strange. When was the first video shot? Because a friend of mine once said that Microsoft were a competitive company (I know many slashdot readers would disagree) and once they ran out of competitors they start to compete with themselves. What they did with Vista was that they were competing with their own OS (XP) much like Ellison suggested. The strange thing is that this time they lost.
Still I don't believe Ellison hates MS that much and I doubt that he would miss a chance to make a deal with MS if he finds it profitable. It is like Ballmer publicly hating Apple and then releasing Office 2007 for Mac. I somehow believe that it is all business.
Do you really believe Ellison hates Microsoft? I do not believe at this level of business feelings matter. We've seen multiple times companies that fight a fierce fight in court over one thing to be first friends and combine efforts in another field. Basically these companies try to do whatever is more profitable to them. If Ellison judges that it is more profitable to make OOo interopable with MS Office and Java interopable with.NET this is what he will do. I can asure you that he is above simple Slashdot-like hate for Microsoft.
That being said he may decide that the profitable thing is exactly what you said but somehow I doubt it.
Are Blizzard going to release any APIs for developers to plug their programs in the game. For example a scorebot. Are they going to provide any Battle.net APIs like a web service to pull profile info. Are they gonna release the replay format so the developers can create statistical software and similar stuff. Do they plan to do anything for third party developers?
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You are implying that PCs that multibillionares get are different from the PCs that we get?
'In the end Microsoft are probably needing this cooperation.'
While this is undoubtedly true it is also true that the open source community needs it even more.
I intend to buy Windows and I want it to come with IE. What is your problem. If you don't want to see it go in control panel > programs and disable it. What is more MS suggested to remove IE completely from the system but the regulators did not allow them. So obviously MS can conceive that people don't want "that crap" (except that people who actually want it) but they are not allowed to remove it. Now who is to blame?
By that time 7 will have like 10% market share so nothing critical will happen to the graph.
True. However I wish they did say this about Vista. I wish there was no 32bit 7.
The problem is that companies like MS (Oracle, Apple, Google too) do not do anything to initiate a patent reform. I perfectly understand why they patent like mad. I don't understand why they don't do anything to stop the cold patent war.
1. I am sure they are the ones that are the most sad about this. I don't see what it has to do with the fact that users are not upgrading it 3 years after an upgrade is available. 2. How is that there is no migration path? You can always buy a newer version of Windows and upgrade. 3. There is a way although not universal. Meta tag for IE7 compatibility and then no doctype which will activate quirks mode. 4. Alt > View > Toolbars > Menu bar.
I wonder if "get what you pay for" is an insult to Linux:)
First of all how is it Microsoft's fault that users do not upgrade their browsers? If users were using Netscape (whatever version it was when IE6 was released) it would be the same. I agree that IE7 is very wrong idea but what is wrong with IE8? And for what reason do you count IE8 in IE7 mode in the list of things you have to support. If you support IE8 then don't support IE7 mode because guess what IE8 mode is present on every browser that supports IE8 in IE7 mode. Also consider that when 60% (for example) of your customers are using IE then the time that is wasted is the time on the other browsers because of the relative value that it brings. You don't count the browsers you count the users. Some websites can happily drop IE support just because the target group does not use IE. I doubt Gentoo's website cares about IE :)
I don't know if you are aware but there is not HTML5 standard yet and probably won't be for years. So the browsers that support HTML5 stuff are just supporting some arbitrary wish list and now because of this support HTML5 cannot be changed because someone is using it and changing it even if it is wrong will break exsisting sites. This is exactly why MS struggles with these 4 IE modes (you really need to support 3 and IE7 will go away really soon).
To be honest I don't believe in standards. I've never seen them work. It is even more annoying that people accept that what Firefox is doing is the standard. You just need to search the web about why innerHtml cannot be set for tables in the IE to find people complaining that IE didn't implement innerHtml according to the standard when innerHtml is not in the standard at all and what is more it was invented for IE. And then the people who bitch about alt attribute on an img tag not being displayed as a tooltip in IE8 when alt surely should not be displayed as a tooltip in any browser.
OK some bank is stupid and some judge screw up. But why did they shut down the account instead of deleting the message?
If I was not a web dev I may have believed your words. However some things in our project stopped working when Chrome was updated to v2 (they used to work in v1). I've seen perfectly valid HTML that renders differently in Firefox, Chrome and Opera (should I even mention IE?). While we all agree that IE6 is pain we should not put the blame on Microsoft. After all if we had to support versions of Netscape from the time of IE6 they would be pain too and I am sure MS want to see IE6 gone more than anyone else. IE8 is as different from the other browsers as they are among themselves. I have as much trouble fixing IE8 quirks as I have fixing Opera, Firefox and Chrome/Safari quirks. And if Google were all about standards then what is Gears? I personally see this Chrome Frame + Gears thing as the next ActiveX.
Today it is IE and how long before they decide to push Chrome Frame to Firefox, Opera and Safari users?
Aside from the retrieval of a page, rendering said (static) page will be instant in almost all cases This is simply false.
I wonder why Linux and Mac didn't do that then.
Except that IE is not the slowest browser of all. In fact IE is probably the fastest browser in completing a page load and this is why MS picked this comparison when they claimed that IE is the fastest browser. As Mark Twain said "Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please." IE is very slow when running JavaScript but this is something completely different.
Don't forget their involvement with JQuery.
So it seems that the cost of proprietary software is not that high after all.
OK so if MS really wanted to go open source to the degree meaningful to their business what should they do so Slashdot will say something positive? What would you do if you were in charge for the MS open source strategy?
Haha someone still modded you down:)
Exactly. MS should shove 64 bit down users' throats. Otherwise at some point in the future people will curse 32 bit Windows much the same way they curse IE6 now. After all IE6 was fine when it was release. The problem is users not upgrading an ancient browser. Do we want users not upgrading ancient architecture? Go, Microsoft, go! If I were Microsoft I wouldn't make 32 bit Windows 7 at all.
Hmm I play SC since it was released and it has been years since I last got a chance to play LAN. I wonder where you got a chance to play LAN at all, let alone why you want to do it. The year is 2009 for Google's sake!
Strange. When was the first video shot? Because a friend of mine once said that Microsoft were a competitive company (I know many slashdot readers would disagree) and once they ran out of competitors they start to compete with themselves. What they did with Vista was that they were competing with their own OS (XP) much like Ellison suggested. The strange thing is that this time they lost. Still I don't believe Ellison hates MS that much and I doubt that he would miss a chance to make a deal with MS if he finds it profitable. It is like Ballmer publicly hating Apple and then releasing Office 2007 for Mac. I somehow believe that it is all business.
Do you really believe Ellison hates Microsoft? I do not believe at this level of business feelings matter. We've seen multiple times companies that fight a fierce fight in court over one thing to be first friends and combine efforts in another field. Basically these companies try to do whatever is more profitable to them. If Ellison judges that it is more profitable to make OOo interopable with MS Office and Java interopable with .NET this is what he will do. I can asure you that he is above simple Slashdot-like hate for Microsoft.
That being said he may decide that the profitable thing is exactly what you said but somehow I doubt it.
This is for StarCraft II and Diablo 3.
Are Blizzard going to release any APIs for developers to plug their programs in the game. For example a scorebot. Are they going to provide any Battle.net APIs like a web service to pull profile info. Are they gonna release the replay format so the developers can create statistical software and similar stuff. Do they plan to do anything for third party developers?