Absolutely! Not in cases where it can not apply, of course, but anywhere where there is a commercial interest and any way to use this tech to manipulate the customer, they'll do whatever they can to do just that.
There was some similar story a while back about how technology like this could be used at 911, to assert whether the person calling was in an emergency.
I would hate that, since I've noticed that while I'm a bit of a nervous person generally, when I've been in serious situations, like cutting myself badly and blood starting to gush out or being held at knife point, an unusual calm has descended upon me.
>Software is not a cultural item, nor is it transmitted by repetition.
What is a cultural item? At least a meme would be, according to yourself. Example of a meme? Let's take the "First post" meme. It is something one does (the posting at the right time) and it carries certain information ("Frosty Piss!" "First Post!" and variations (or should I say forks) thereof). Can you see how action and information embedded into a meme is kind of like code and data embedded in a software program?
The transmission by repetition also fits, although maybe not as obviously, but if people don't pick up the software and use it, does it exist? The transmission by repetitition aspect of software is in running it repetedly.
Feel free to argue. I haven't thought this through much, but at first glance the idea of software being a meme fits like a glove, as far as I can see at this period in history.
I read the first linked FA. It doesn't explain, but just states that dependencies are a predator-prey relationship. Would that mean as in cats depend on mice (in a hypothetical ekosystem with not much more than mice and cats) and without no mice there would be no cats? If that's what they mean, then that is likely just a statement of the nature of packages using a biology analogy, not any kind of findings from their research.
Was there something to take to heart about the things about modularity and conflicts and stuff? Too tired or ignorant to get that.
What's the matter with you? As a matter of fact, it does. One semantically related question is which of the two mats is more mat than the other - which one is matter? Probably the person who lays mats for a living, the matter, could answer that.
Yes, I was partly being compulsively silly. The quotes convey the extra info that AT&T describes it as a targeted attack. A title without repetitition of words might have been "Targeted attack" for AT&T user info" or something...
>He could have rooted a tablet 10 times over in the amount of time it will take him to get a useful response from this thread. I think that makes him an idiot.
But the submitter also didn't want to void their warranty by rooting, therefor asking for a device where that wouldn't be the case.
So, logically, you weigh in on this issue the same as a DUCK (Democracy, Unfetterdness, Collaboration, Komputing), you're a DUCK and therefor, a commie! Burn her!
I've heard of it, or at least I've seen it ridiculed on the Simpsons or something. So, PBS-style broadcasting is the general idea. I don't know how good or popular PBS is, but if it was well funded, you might get BBC-level quality journalism.
That depends on whether you prefer commercial crap or commercially independent art.
I'm not sure about some committee deciding who's a good artist, though. It would probably be better to give every human a basic income, so that the ones passionate about their art could do it instead of getting McJobs.
Then you could have some committee too, but it wouldn't have as big of an impact.
And more mainstream commercial artists would of course get extra money from gigs and whatnot. Authors might have a harder time to get more pay from their work... If they couldn't get enough readings and paid talks and donations, they'd make the same as that guy who bangs the dishwasher with his genitalia all day as his art.
And yet, this horrific setup is what brings us the BBC and the like, you know, commercially and politically independent television. They don't have to try to appease the advertisers by appealing to the lowest common denominator, instead they can focus on making quality journalism and quality art/entertainment.
If you have half a brain and even if you're blind, you should be able to see a clear difference if you watch one of the commercial channels and compare it to the publicly paid for channels here in Sweden. The former is bullshit crap. The latter is quality television.
Of course, in the US you only get the commercial bullshit crap, so how would you know how much better it could be?
Actually, HBO over there seems to produce some descent quality television. Their model is kind of similar, in that they don't program for the advertisers, but the BBC and the rest are even more free to do their art. It works beautifully. I'm sorry you've never gotten to experience it.
>like not locking up such large proportions of poor darker skinned people
lol that's because europe doesn't have darker skinned people, they killed them all in 20th century and haven't let any more in. when the a place becomes less than 50% white, THEN come back and be like "oh theres less prisoners/crime in this place"...
california, for instance, is only like 40-50% european.
Great for California. According to Wikipedia, 9,2 % of the population in Sweden was *born* outside of the EU.
In my neighbourhood more than 80 % are first or second generation immigrants. Still not seeing the misery and crime and incarceration I hear you have over there in the good old US of A.
But it's true we let too few people in. I mean, what the fuck gives anyone the right to control the place from where their ancestors once upon a time displaced some other people (like the Swedes and Finns once did with the Sami, for example) where their parents happened to initiate a chemical reaction probably because they felt an urge to fuck.
Some European countries are worse jerks than others about immigration, but I don't think the US stands out that much as an immigration friendly land in the world. That myth is still perpetuated, though.
I'm not going to try to dig up any numbers for this feeding, but I have a feeling the US locks up disproportionately many coloured people. If I'm wrong about that, it is at least clear that the so-called land of the free locks up disproportionately many people compared to other democratic countries.
I'm not saying Europe is great, just that it's still a bit less fucked up than the US.
Institutional/systemic racism keep darker people poorer in the white mans land and poor people often find themselves being criminals in the rich mans land.
>authoritarian privatized
lol privatization is a PROBLEM BECAUSE GOVERNMENT is giving all the land and resources to the few ("titles"). the SOLUTION IS NOT MORE GOVERNMENT.
I'll agree that government, in the forms we have it, isn't great. I think corporate power is worse, though. Corporations aren't democratic. Government can be, sometimes. Often they pander the corporations, though.
government healthcare is a tax. cant pay taxes in europe? go to prison. they solve the healthcare problem by coercion and fear for your life. and you wonder why europe is always at war? sounds like a stressful place.
You don't go to prison if you can't pay taxes. If you're so poor that you can't pay taxes you still get free healthcare, medicine, education and some money.
And war? Name the US presidents that haven't gone to war. Barring the recent actions in Afghanistan and Libya, Sweden, for example, hasn't been to war since 1814.
Of course, nowadays we want to go in shoulder to shoulder with the Beacons of Liberty/Great Satan (depending on who you ask) and bomb peace into poor darker people in faraway lands.
I don't know. I mean, sure there are lots of great advantages in the eu compared to the us, like not locking up such large proportions of poor darker skinned people, not such a deep and wide economic chasm dividing the people, vacation, health care... And now recently also this freedom thing...
I'm kind of surprised about this. Maybe everything in the halls of power in Europe hasn't turned completely to shit just yet. If it isn't just posturing, then great, but I won't get my hopes up about a non-retarded world to live in.
Were headed for the same authoritarian privatized stratification. The same ideology with the same bizarrely rich people on top is shaping our world too. We're just a bit behind due to some legacy cruft in our culture and politics.
The thing is that you don't have to agree to the gpl to agree that you do not have the right to redistribute the gpl-licenced product willy-nilly, since that is all ready covered by the law (where applicable). The law says there is copyright and a copyright holder. And you have to agree with the law. Or else.
It was in reply the question what's wrong with remembering this date by means of some company having similar date/time in their marketing.
The comment was meant as a general comment on commercial interests co-opting human culture/history in their marketing.
Through means of humor and being kind of dystopian or perhaps hyperbolic or something, I was trying to convey that I think such behavior is tacky. While all the above mentioned corporations probably are doing their best to co-opt some appreciated part of culture/history, I don't think any of them have been as blatant as claiming to sponsor/bring Peace.
The companies named were chosen for their status as big, well known brands that do a lot of marketing and that also have been known to engage in unethical practices here and there. Poster-boys for classic big bad corporations, so to speak. Should perhaps have thrown Shell in there too.
Remembrance(TM) of your departed loved ones, brought to you by Mc Donalds. Coca-Cola with the United Fruit, Inc. presents Peace(TM) and Happiness(TM). Have a nice(TM) day, in association with Nike.
If they're gonna sell off these things on the cheap (not that they seem to sell them over here in Sweden at all, though), could it be any good for a more generic GNU/Linux box?
Anyone put Debian on this thing? (Wasn't apparently so from a quick glance at the first search results, at least.)
>How about if a corporation is awarded death penalty, all its assets would be sold,the proceeds will be distributed to the shareholders
But the shareholders are the ones who get rich if the corporation does well, even if it's engaging in bad or illegal stuff. They reap the benefits, but if the corporation they own does more damage than it's worth, the owners are not liable.
A rabid dog causing destruction and maiming would get it's owner into more trouble than the economic loss of the value of the dog.
The least we could do would be to confiscate the assets and not distribute the proceeds to the owners, but to all citizens.
I'm impressed. The first time in 3 years I've been impressed, so the bar is pretty low. But good going Obama.
It does read like unexpectedly good news. Maybe a bit too good, even?
Is there any way this could hold up? Is it even remotely possible that white house policy would side with the interests of common people against those of whichever are the industries that have opposing interests? I'm afraid I can't believe that. I'd love to be proven overly cynical.
If this is real, a more likely reason would be that there happens to be big enough players whose interests by chance happen to line with the common good in this particular case, at this point in history, right?
"nimetÃn" is "nameless", literally translated. The word "anonyymi" is official too, but not "anonuumi". I think spelling it anonuumi is a (possibly deliberate) colloquialization.
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Absolutely! Not in cases where it can not apply, of course, but anywhere where there is a commercial interest and any way to use this tech to manipulate the customer, they'll do whatever they can to do just that.
There was some similar story a while back about how technology like this could be used at 911, to assert whether the person calling was in an emergency.
I would hate that, since I've noticed that while I'm a bit of a nervous person generally, when I've been in serious situations, like cutting myself badly and blood starting to gush out or being held at knife point, an unusual calm has descended upon me.
>no, if there are no mice, it will eats birds, &tc
That's why I said it was a hypothetical ecosystem with not much more than mice and cats.
>Software is not a cultural item, nor is it transmitted by repetition.
What is a cultural item? At least a meme would be, according to yourself. Example of a meme? Let's take the "First post" meme. It is something one does (the posting at the right time) and it carries certain information ("Frosty Piss!" "First Post!" and variations (or should I say forks) thereof). Can you see how action and information embedded into a meme is kind of like code and data embedded in a software program?
The transmission by repetition also fits, although maybe not as obviously, but if people don't pick up the software and use it, does it exist? The transmission by repetitition aspect of software is in running it repetedly.
Feel free to argue. I haven't thought this through much, but at first glance the idea of software being a meme fits like a glove, as far as I can see at this period in history.
I read the first linked FA. It doesn't explain, but just states that dependencies are a predator-prey relationship. Would that mean as in cats depend on mice (in a hypothetical ekosystem with not much more than mice and cats) and without no mice there would be no cats? If that's what they mean, then that is likely just a statement of the nature of packages using a biology analogy, not any kind of findings from their research.
Was there something to take to heart about the things about modularity and conflicts and stuff? Too tired or ignorant to get that.
>It doesn't matter
What's the matter with you? As a matter of fact, it does. One semantically related question is which of the two mats is more mat than the other - which one is matter? Probably the person who lays mats for a living, the matter, could answer that.
Yes, I was partly being compulsively silly. The quotes convey the extra info that AT&T describes it as a targeted attack. A title without repetitition of words might have been "Targeted attack" for AT&T user info" or something...
Is the redundant headline redundant?
>He could have rooted a tablet 10 times over in the amount of time it will take him to get a useful response from this thread. I think that makes him an idiot.
But the submitter also didn't want to void their warranty by rooting, therefor asking for a device where that wouldn't be the case.
The knee-jerking will probably generally decrease in adult age, not so sure about the groupthink though.
Aye!
Then, in case one needs to know about male geeks being rude (maybe without wanting to, actually), read this:
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/22786_To_My_Someday_Daughter.html
That's a pretty long read, though. Maybe just watch "How to not be a Dick", by Matthew Garreth at Lugradio live 2008:
http://blip.tv/flamekebab/lrluk-2008-the-gong-a-thong-lightbulb-talk-extravaganza-matthew-garrett-1109597
So, logically, you weigh in on this issue the same as a DUCK (Democracy, Unfetterdness, Collaboration, Komputing), you're a DUCK and therefor, a commie! Burn her!
Your right, of course. I forgot about PBS.
I've heard of it, or at least I've seen it ridiculed on the Simpsons or something. So, PBS-style broadcasting is the general idea. I don't know how good or popular PBS is, but if it was well funded, you might get BBC-level quality journalism.
>Sounds like a recipe for really shitty art.
That depends on whether you prefer commercial crap or commercially independent art.
I'm not sure about some committee deciding who's a good artist, though. It would probably be better to give every human a basic income, so that the ones passionate about their art could do it instead of getting McJobs.
Then you could have some committee too, but it wouldn't have as big of an impact.
And more mainstream commercial artists would of course get extra money from gigs and whatnot. Authors might have a harder time to get more pay from their work... If they couldn't get enough readings and paid talks and donations, they'd make the same as that guy who bangs the dishwasher with his genitalia all day as his art.
>That's horrifying.
And yet, this horrific setup is what brings us the BBC and the like, you know, commercially and politically independent television. They don't have to try to appease the advertisers by appealing to the lowest common denominator, instead they can focus on making quality journalism and quality art/entertainment.
If you have half a brain and even if you're blind, you should be able to see a clear difference if you watch one of the commercial channels and compare it to the publicly paid for channels here in Sweden. The former is bullshit crap. The latter is quality television.
Of course, in the US you only get the commercial bullshit crap, so how would you know how much better it could be?
Actually, HBO over there seems to produce some descent quality television. Their model is kind of similar, in that they don't program for the advertisers, but the BBC and the rest are even more free to do their art. It works beautifully. I'm sorry you've never gotten to experience it.
>like not locking up such large proportions of poor darker skinned people
lol that's because europe doesn't have darker skinned people, they killed them all in 20th century and haven't let any more in. when the a place becomes less than 50% white, THEN come back and be like "oh theres less prisoners/crime in this place"...
california, for instance, is only like 40-50% european.
Great for California. According to Wikipedia, 9,2 % of the population in Sweden was *born* outside of the EU.
In my neighbourhood more than 80 % are first or second generation immigrants. Still not seeing the misery and crime and incarceration I hear you have over there in the good old US of A.
But it's true we let too few people in. I mean, what the fuck gives anyone the right to control the place from where their ancestors once upon a time displaced some other people (like the Swedes and Finns once did with the Sami, for example) where their parents happened to initiate a chemical reaction probably because they felt an urge to fuck.
Some European countries are worse jerks than others about immigration, but I don't think the US stands out that much as an immigration friendly land in the world. That myth is still perpetuated, though.
I'm not going to try to dig up any numbers for this feeding, but I have a feeling the US locks up disproportionately many coloured people. If I'm wrong about that, it is at least clear that the so-called land of the free locks up disproportionately many people compared to other democratic countries.
I'm not saying Europe is great, just that it's still a bit less fucked up than the US.
Institutional/systemic racism keep darker people poorer in the white mans land and poor people often find themselves being criminals in the rich mans land.
>authoritarian privatized
lol privatization is a PROBLEM BECAUSE GOVERNMENT is giving all the land and resources to the few ("titles"). the SOLUTION IS NOT MORE GOVERNMENT.
I'll agree that government, in the forms we have it, isn't great. I think corporate power is worse, though. Corporations aren't democratic. Government can be, sometimes. Often they pander the corporations, though.
government healthcare is a tax. cant pay taxes in europe? go to prison. they solve the healthcare problem by coercion and fear for your life. and you wonder why europe is always at war? sounds like a stressful place.
You don't go to prison if you can't pay taxes. If you're so poor that you can't pay taxes you still get free healthcare, medicine, education and some money.
And war? Name the US presidents that haven't gone to war. Barring the recent actions in Afghanistan and Libya, Sweden, for example, hasn't been to war since 1814.
Of course, nowadays we want to go in shoulder to shoulder with the Beacons of Liberty/Great Satan (depending on who you ask) and bomb peace into poor darker people in faraway lands.
I don't know. I mean, sure there are lots of great advantages in the eu compared to the us, like not locking up such large proportions of poor darker skinned people, not such a deep and wide economic chasm dividing the people, vacation, health care... And now recently also this freedom thing...
I'm kind of surprised about this. Maybe everything in the halls of power in Europe hasn't turned completely to shit just yet. If it isn't just posturing, then great, but I won't get my hopes up about a non-retarded world to live in.
Were headed for the same authoritarian privatized stratification. The same ideology with the same bizarrely rich people on top is shaping our world too. We're just a bit behind due to some legacy cruft in our culture and politics.
The thing is that you don't have to agree to the gpl to agree that you do not have the right to redistribute the gpl-licenced product willy-nilly, since that is all ready covered by the law (where applicable). The law says there is copyright and a copyright holder. And you have to agree with the law. Or else.
It was in reply the question what's wrong with remembering this date by means of some company having similar date/time in their marketing.
The comment was meant as a general comment on commercial interests co-opting human culture/history in their marketing.
Through means of humor and being kind of dystopian or perhaps hyperbolic or something, I was trying to convey that I think such behavior is tacky. While all the above mentioned corporations probably are doing their best to co-opt some appreciated part of culture/history, I don't think any of them have been as blatant as claiming to sponsor/bring Peace.
The companies named were chosen for their status as big, well known brands that do a lot of marketing and that also have been known to engage in unethical practices here and there. Poster-boys for classic big bad corporations, so to speak. Should perhaps have thrown Shell in there too.
Remembrance(TM) of your departed loved ones, brought to you by Mc Donalds. Coca-Cola with the United Fruit, Inc. presents Peace(TM) and Happiness(TM). Have a nice(TM) day, in association with Nike.
If they're gonna sell off these things on the cheap (not that they seem to sell them over here in Sweden at all, though), could it be any good for a more generic GNU/Linux box?
Anyone put Debian on this thing? (Wasn't apparently so from a quick glance at the first search results, at least.)
>How about if a corporation is awarded death penalty, all its assets would be sold,the proceeds will be distributed to the shareholders
But the shareholders are the ones who get rich if the corporation does well, even if it's engaging in bad or illegal stuff. They reap the benefits, but if the corporation they own does more damage than it's worth, the owners are not liable.
A rabid dog causing destruction and maiming would get it's owner into more trouble than the economic loss of the value of the dog.
The least we could do would be to confiscate the assets and not distribute the proceeds to the owners, but to all citizens.
Not to nitpick but you also started a new thread to address this instead of just replying to yourself?
Sorry.
How would you have nitpuck if picking nits would have been what you would have went in for?
I'm impressed. The first time in 3 years I've been impressed, so the bar is pretty low. But good going Obama.
It does read like unexpectedly good news. Maybe a bit too good, even?
Is there any way this could hold up? Is it even remotely possible that white house policy would side with the interests of common people against those of whichever are the industries that have opposing interests? I'm afraid I can't believe that. I'd love to be proven overly cynical.
If this is real, a more likely reason would be that there happens to be big enough players whose interests by chance happen to line with the common good in this particular case, at this point in history, right?
"nimetÃn" is "nameless", literally translated. The word "anonyymi" is official too, but not "anonuumi". I think spelling it anonuumi is a (possibly deliberate) colloquialization.