Are you trying the smitty "write first, read never" approach to discussion now? I'd ask if we were in the same discussion but the answer to that question is quite obvious.
The abstract link from the summary goes to a page that has the full-text of the paper, however the paper refers to another paper for the actual methods. Digging into that paper (which is helpfully available full-text from anywhere - or at least from my home which certainly has no journal subscriptions) gives us:
The assessment of toxicological endpoints and BMD for the selected known and suspected human carcinogens was generally based on literature data, as own doseâ"response modeling would have gone beyond the scope of our study. Suitable risk assessment studies including endpoints and doseâ"response modeling results were typically identified in monographs of national and international risk assessments bodies such as WHO IPCS, JECFA, US EPA and EFSA. For substances without available monographs or with missing data on doseâ"response modeling results, the scientific literature in general was searched for such data. Searches were carried out in September 2011 in the following databases: PubMed (US National Library of Medicine, Bethesda, MD), Web of Science (Thomson Reuters, Philadelphia, PA), Scopus (Elsevier B.V., Amsterdam, The Netherlands) and Google Scholar (Google, Mountain View, CA).
The BMD/MOE approach was used for risk assessment.13, 14 In short, the BMD is the dose of a substance that produces a predetermined change in response rate (benchmark response) of an adverse effect compared to background based on doseâ"response modeling.14 The benchmark response is generally set near the lower limit of responses that can be measured (typically in the range of 1â"10%). The result of BMD-response modeling can then be used in combination with exposure data to calculate a MOE for quantitative risk assessment. The MOE is defined as the ratio between the lower one-sided confidence limit of the BMD (BMDL) and estimated human intake of the same compound. It can be used to compare the health risk of different compounds and in turn prioritize risk management actions. By definition, the lower the MOE, the larger the risk for humans; generally, a value under 10,000 used to define public health risks.15
So really, this is about the overall health risks of a substance. Certainly important but that is far from being an endorsement of any of the substances for routine use.
In the case of the Lenovo systems, there is an option D. Option D is put your own OS on it. If you're not inclined to use a *nix OS, you could even have someone else install your favorite version of Windows on it. Considering in the class-action you'd be lucky to get $5 - and you're still on the hook to get rid of superfish somehow through your own action - this would likely be a better option for a lot of people.
Well, with that attitude nothing will ever get accomplished.
That's not true. I didn't say don't do anything, I just said the lawsuit seems pointless. The payout from the lawsuit could be effectively zero for the consumer. They could find more useful ways to exert pressure on the company than this (and when one considers that Lenovo is Chinese, which severely reduces the likelihood of getting a verdict against them enforced).
All that the class action suit would do is line the pockets of some opportunistic attorneys (who get paid regardless of the outcome).
Sega's downfall was failing to partner with Sony on a new platform
I thought the first playstation came about when Nintendo decided not to have Sony make a CD drive for their console. Did Sega really have a chance to make the same mistake?
We've seen how much energy is wasted when customers try to sue to get refunded for the Windows license they don't use on their PC. Why would this turn out better? Yeah, it sucks that they did it but the big difference here is someone caught them doing it.
The article says that his previous post went viral. This is not nearly the same as being slashdotted - at least, not any more. We don't have enough users on slashdot any more to bring down even a hobbyist website, let alone a hosted blog. How many years has it been since slashdot users last successfully slashdotted a website (at least, one that wasn't hosted on an intentionally low-powered system?)?
Why? The ThinkPads are the business level laptops, which are what you should be buying if you are buying for a business. The ThinkPads did not have superfish installed.
they'd already turned the thinkpad line into boring mass-market hunt-and-peck-optimised dvd ogling boxes. In that sense, I'd written them off years ago.
Really? I have used both IBM and Lenovo ThinkPads and while the Lenovo ones aren't quite as great as what IBM made, they are still vastly superior to any consumer laptop on the market today. You might be thinking of the IdeaPad line, which looks like a ThinkPad to a small degree but isn't nearly the same thing. The ThinkPads are still solid - and someone else pointed out they don't have Superfish on the, either.
Translation: our laptops are for consumers to buy crap online, and not for any kind of serious work.
Isn't that the case with pretty much every consumer-level laptop on the market today? This was a particularly bad case of pre-installed crapware, but I can't think of a laptop sold at any American retailer today that isn't guilty of the same.
If you want to do real work, skip windows and put an OS on your laptop that is useful for real work.
I thought the main misfortune of Obama is that he was born in Liberia, or was it Haiti?
There is no shortage of birthers out there who are still dedicated to "answering" that question.
However, based on what many slashdot conservatives write, it appears that Obama's biggest failure is in the fact that he has the wrong consonant after his last name. His actual decisions and policies are demonstrably more conservative than their hero Reagan but he happens to be a democrat so he is automatically the antichrist.
I think you did not read last memo - it is all Putin's.
You're joking, right? Many of the slashdotters who dedicate themselves to blaming everything wrong in the world on Obama barely even know who Putin is. The likelihood that they would blame anything on him is quite nearly zero, especially as the official slashdot narrative remains that Obama is a closet communist/fascist/Islamist/anarchist/socialist/martian/illuminati who is femtoseconds from launching a new plan for world domination.
Just don't use keys for remote ssh logins. I know, keys are supposed to be all that any more. But based on my experience fending off billions of script kiddy attempts from my home system, it appears they aren't worth the effort and may even be counter productive.
I say this because my home server faces the world and allows anyone who wants to, to make an attempt to login via ssh on port 22. You may say this is completely insane, but my logs suggest it isn't that bad. The overwhelming majority of all attempts on my system attempt to come straight in as root. As everyone knows, you can very easily disable root login in your sshd.conf file which leaves the person on the other end completely incapable of knowing whether or not they ever got your root password right as the response is the same.
The end result is they make their 10,000+ attempts in a couple hours, then leave and never come back. They might take a few parting shots at other well known account names but they won't get in that way either.
People keep shouting here that google plus is dead, and that I'm the only person left on the entire planet who isn't on facebook. Why are we linking to google plus on the front page then? Is Torvalds on the google payroll now or something?
I was subjected to Rush Limbaugh yesterday morning for a while. Rush was verbally masturbating over Stewart's announcement on the radio for a good 10 minutes. He might not have gone so far as to take credit but he certainly took pleasure.
Why? Florida has only one Governor, not one for each party. After the election, people who didn't support whoever made it still have needs and opinions on policy.
True, but the summary stated this was email sent to jeb@jeb.org, which is not the official state of Florida email address for the governor. Hence these were far more likely to be emails from people who supported him than from people who did not.
That is a rather harsh assumption you just made, there. Perhaps I was insufficiently specific in my comment here, as I was thinking specifically of how one would do this for abandoned (disconnected) games on gaming consoles. Have you tried to access a hosts file (or anything similar to it) on a gaming system? Sure it's no problem on a PC but have altering that on a Sony or Microsoft console doesn't necessarily seem to be as easy.
And even once you get that figured out, there is then the matter of getting your friends to do the same. Online multiplayer isn't much of an accomplishment if there is only one player.
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Are you trying the smitty "write first, read never" approach to discussion now? I'd ask if we were in the same discussion but the answer to that question is quite obvious.
Wow, you didn't know what I said or what you said. Nice double, there.
The assessment of toxicological endpoints and BMD for the selected known and suspected human carcinogens was generally based on literature data, as own doseâ"response modeling would have gone beyond the scope of our study. Suitable risk assessment studies including endpoints and doseâ"response modeling results were typically identified in monographs of national and international risk assessments bodies such as WHO IPCS, JECFA, US EPA and EFSA. For substances without available monographs or with missing data on doseâ"response modeling results, the scientific literature in general was searched for such data. Searches were carried out in September 2011 in the following databases: PubMed (US National Library of Medicine, Bethesda, MD), Web of Science (Thomson Reuters, Philadelphia, PA), Scopus (Elsevier B.V., Amsterdam, The Netherlands) and Google Scholar (Google, Mountain View, CA).
The BMD/MOE approach was used for risk assessment.13, 14 In short, the BMD is the dose of a substance that produces a predetermined change in response rate (benchmark response) of an adverse effect compared to background based on doseâ"response modeling.14 The benchmark response is generally set near the lower limit of responses that can be measured (typically in the range of 1â"10%). The result of BMD-response modeling can then be used in combination with exposure data to calculate a MOE for quantitative risk assessment. The MOE is defined as the ratio between the lower one-sided confidence limit of the BMD (BMDL) and estimated human intake of the same compound. It can be used to compare the health risk of different compounds and in turn prioritize risk management actions. By definition, the lower the MOE, the larger the risk for humans; generally, a value under 10,000 used to define public health risks.15
So really, this is about the overall health risks of a substance. Certainly important but that is far from being an endorsement of any of the substances for routine use.
In the case of the Lenovo systems, there is an option D. Option D is put your own OS on it. If you're not inclined to use a *nix OS, you could even have someone else install your favorite version of Windows on it. Considering in the class-action you'd be lucky to get $5 - and you're still on the hook to get rid of superfish somehow through your own action - this would likely be a better option for a lot of people.
Well, with that attitude nothing will ever get accomplished.
That's not true. I didn't say don't do anything, I just said the lawsuit seems pointless. The payout from the lawsuit could be effectively zero for the consumer. They could find more useful ways to exert pressure on the company than this (and when one considers that Lenovo is Chinese, which severely reduces the likelihood of getting a verdict against them enforced).
All that the class action suit would do is line the pockets of some opportunistic attorneys (who get paid regardless of the outcome).
Sega's downfall was failing to partner with Sony on a new platform
I thought the first playstation came about when Nintendo decided not to have Sony make a CD drive for their console. Did Sega really have a chance to make the same mistake?
We've seen how much energy is wasted when customers try to sue to get refunded for the Windows license they don't use on their PC. Why would this turn out better? Yeah, it sucks that they did it but the big difference here is someone caught them doing it.
The article says that his previous post went viral. This is not nearly the same as being slashdotted - at least, not any more. We don't have enough users on slashdot any more to bring down even a hobbyist website, let alone a hosted blog. How many years has it been since slashdot users last successfully slashdotted a website (at least, one that wasn't hosted on an intentionally low-powered system?)?
Why? The ThinkPads are the business level laptops, which are what you should be buying if you are buying for a business. The ThinkPads did not have superfish installed.
they'd already turned the thinkpad line into boring mass-market hunt-and-peck-optimised dvd ogling boxes. In that sense, I'd written them off years ago.
Really? I have used both IBM and Lenovo ThinkPads and while the Lenovo ones aren't quite as great as what IBM made, they are still vastly superior to any consumer laptop on the market today. You might be thinking of the IdeaPad line, which looks like a ThinkPad to a small degree but isn't nearly the same thing. The ThinkPads are still solid - and someone else pointed out they don't have Superfish on the, either.
Translation: our laptops are for consumers to buy crap online, and not for any kind of serious work.
Isn't that the case with pretty much every consumer-level laptop on the market today? This was a particularly bad case of pre-installed crapware, but I can't think of a laptop sold at any American retailer today that isn't guilty of the same.
If you want to do real work, skip windows and put an OS on your laptop that is useful for real work.
I thought the main misfortune of Obama is that he was born in Liberia, or was it Haiti?
There is no shortage of birthers out there who are still dedicated to "answering" that question.
However, based on what many slashdot conservatives write, it appears that Obama's biggest failure is in the fact that he has the wrong consonant after his last name. His actual decisions and policies are demonstrably more conservative than their hero Reagan but he happens to be a democrat so he is automatically the antichrist.
I think you did not read last memo - it is all Putin's.
You're joking, right? Many of the slashdotters who dedicate themselves to blaming everything wrong in the world on Obama barely even know who Putin is. The likelihood that they would blame anything on him is quite nearly zero, especially as the official slashdot narrative remains that Obama is a closet communist/fascist/Islamist/anarchist/socialist/martian/illuminati who is femtoseconds from launching a new plan for world domination.
Not on this site, it isn't. Here on slashdot it's all Obama's fault.
I was responding to the AC, who followed up your jab at Reagan with a jab at Clinton. I remember Reagan far more than I would like to.
Previous comment makes sense because the hospital was named for Reagan. Your comment is just dumb and off-topic.
Just don't use keys for remote ssh logins. I know, keys are supposed to be all that any more. But based on my experience fending off billions of script kiddy attempts from my home system, it appears they aren't worth the effort and may even be counter productive.
I say this because my home server faces the world and allows anyone who wants to, to make an attempt to login via ssh on port 22. You may say this is completely insane, but my logs suggest it isn't that bad. The overwhelming majority of all attempts on my system attempt to come straight in as root. As everyone knows, you can very easily disable root login in your sshd.conf file which leaves the person on the other end completely incapable of knowing whether or not they ever got your root password right as the response is the same.
The end result is they make their 10,000+ attempts in a couple hours, then leave and never come back. They might take a few parting shots at other well known account names but they won't get in that way either.
People keep shouting here that google plus is dead, and that I'm the only person left on the entire planet who isn't on facebook. Why are we linking to google plus on the front page then? Is Torvalds on the google payroll now or something?
Does that count when you are doing it to yourself? I don't think the jailers would dare try to subject the inmates to slashdot.
I expect that would lead to a slightly reduced sentence for time served...
I don't see why inmates need access to it at all. They can find plenty of other ways to not be productive.
I was subjected to Rush Limbaugh yesterday morning for a while. Rush was verbally masturbating over Stewart's announcement on the radio for a good 10 minutes. He might not have gone so far as to take credit but he certainly took pleasure.
Why? Florida has only one Governor, not one for each party. After the election, people who didn't support whoever made it still have needs and opinions on policy.
True, but the summary stated this was email sent to jeb@jeb.org, which is not the official state of Florida email address for the governor. Hence these were far more likely to be emails from people who supported him than from people who did not.
Now if they could just add a thinkpad-style trackpoint to it, I'd be begging for them to take my money.
That is a rather harsh assumption you just made, there. Perhaps I was insufficiently specific in my comment here, as I was thinking specifically of how one would do this for abandoned (disconnected) games on gaming consoles. Have you tried to access a hosts file (or anything similar to it) on a gaming system? Sure it's no problem on a PC but have altering that on a Sony or Microsoft console doesn't necessarily seem to be as easy.
And even once you get that figured out, there is then the matter of getting your friends to do the same. Online multiplayer isn't much of an accomplishment if there is only one player.