Theres a massive difference between federal and local government investing in things.
Theres also a massive difference between basic utilities-- which these rural areas already have-- and gigabit internet, which basically noone residential needs nor can use right now.
By your logic government should not pay for public roads
It should all be privately owned toll roads.
As opposed to the no-competition toll roads that my taxpayer dollars just paid for around I-495? After 5 years of construction and untold millions of tax dollars, I now have the privilege of paying $5 to a state-granted monopoly to use the new road that I paid for. Thats TOTALLY better than what a private solution might have been, right?
It's a subsidy to the company that will provide the service for a fee.
.... who otherwise wouldnt provide the service.
The problem isnt that the subsidies are going to a company, its that the whole idea is a bad one from start to finish. By the time the costs are recouped, the technology will have changed / become cheaper, and its not a sure thing that even in 20 years gigabit-to-the-house will be terribly useful for most people.
If the LOCAL government wanted to do this as a way of pulling in business, sure, maybe there'd be some merit to the idea, but the federal government really needs to step back and remember what its job is.
You are right that both sides in Congress are basically engaging in melodrama for the sake of the cameras.
I think Trent Lott remarked a few years ago that media everywhere was one of the best and worst things to happen to modern democracy. Sums it up pretty nicely.
Network infrastructure is getting just as important as any other infrastructure.
The problem is that, as the market shows, most people neither need nor want gigabit or even 100meg. even 50/20 is more than most people will ever use.
Would I be able to make use of it? Absolutely. But that doesnt mean it makes any kind of sense for the government to push for gigabit everywhere, and just hope that somehow uses for it will magically appear. Part of living in the real world is prioritizing how you spend your limited resources, and generally its better to address needs that you have NOW rather than addressing potential future needs.
not carry a balance like people who live beyond their means do with a regular credit card.
FTFY.
Im sure there are cases where this isnt true, but in general if you are carrying a balance because you cant afford something now, and it isnt a 1-off emergency, youre making a mistake and exercising poor judgement.
The difference between an overwrite and shattering the drive is like the difference between burning sensitive papers, and simply ripping them into shreds.
Ripping them up may make it difficult to get at, but a really determined attacker could conceivably recover some data.
Formatting your drive most likely got rid of none of the data.
All a format does is prepare the necessary bits for storing data (file tables etc). It doesnt usually overwrite the whole drive, even if you pick "full format".
Most people over the age of 15 learn to live in a world with things that annoy them without blowing a gasket.
Apparently the world you live in is one where it is necessary to complain when people dont conform to your linguistic conventions, or form gender-neutral hypotheticals.
Or you could simply degauss the drive, or raise it to the curie temperature, rather than dealing with "sort of effective" and difficult methods of destruction.
Im not clear why people suggest shattering the platter; it doesnt "destroy" the data (simply separates it), its time consuming (unless you were already going for the magnets inside), and generally a quick zero-wipe will be sufficient and more effective for most cases, and degauss / curie temperature will suffice for all others.
That statement =/= "impossible", but rather "not feasible".
In other words, you probably dont want to rely on it as secure destruction if the information will be sensitive years from now, because new technology could change "not feasible" to "doable".
But the need to squeeze out every last bit of data density on drives has changed that - any place on the media where leftover traces of previous writes could be found is a place where more bits could be fit on the platter
That has nothing to do with the theory of how the data could be recovered. The theory was that flipping a 1 to a 0 is really like applying a "0" magnetic field to a bit that is currently "0.961235", and you end up with "0.015132". Hypothetically, maybe, some could analyze that "0.015132" and determine that it was previously a "0.961235", and reconstruct the data that way.
Its never been demonstrated, or proven, or disproven; conventional wisdom is that if possible it is quite difficult.
You're referring to information that was current 20 years ago.
20 years has not changed the fact that magnetic domains are analog, not digital. "Once you flip it, you've flipped it" isnt a concept that really exists in the analog world until your drive's firmware converts the analog reading to a digital 0.
This is like saying "i have a new encryption method, and noone has yet demonstrated that they can break it". That does not mean that it is secure, or a that a simple analysis of the method would not display glaring weaknesses; someone could very well be exploiting it and simply keeping it on the DL.
It is hypothetically possible to recover from a single overwrite, because it is a fact that "magnetic domain remnants" are left after an overwrite. Whether or not we have the technology / money / whatever to recover it is irrelevant to the fact that there is still data there to be recovered, and its foolish to pretend otherwise.
Meanwhile, it IS known that if you raise the platters to the curie temperature or degauss the drives, you cannot recover any data.
Oh, OK. Folks in Athens, Rome, Palestine, etc around 200 AD just lounged around? What about 90% of the population in the middle ages? What about Sumeria 5000 years ago?
What societies exactly do you think had all of this excess time off, can you name even one?
And tends to suck when you have changes happening on both end, and when you want simple conflict resolution, and when you have more than two devices, or when both sides are moving targets...
Rsync is about as far from a "set it and forget it" syncing solution as you can possibly get, the list of caveats and cautions is about as long as the feature list.
It continued to be shipped because customers DEMANDED that they have the option to delay upgrading, and as a for profit business Microsoft is happy to sell you a gun so that you can shoot yourself in the foot.
Microsoft has been pushing their newest OS, and its only been against their recommendation that people keep rolling out obsolete software.
Because that would make the problem they are having WORSE. The issue isnt the cost of the windows upgrade, its the cost of the application upgrade, which doesnt change just because youre on linux (actually, it seems like those apps tend to be more as theyre "specialty"). Meanwhile, XP has been supported FAR longer than any other OS on the market right now.
Thats why not "just switch to GNU/Linux", because its a terrible idea that would make their problem worse. "Just use GNU Linux to avoid having to upgrade" is why I used to come across crap like SCO Unix and Red Hat Linux version 8 in companies. Good luck supporting that... but hey, at least its FOSS right?
This thread makes me think that we really do have a massive entitlement-mentality problem.
The free, community-supported Linux cant be arsed to update 2.4 linux anymore, and Microsoft has for no additional charge continued supporting XP for an extra 3 years beyond its original scheduled EOL, and an extra 2 years beyond Linux 2.4. And thats not enough?
Maybe microsoft should cease all operations as a for-profit corporation and devote all its resources to creating and supporting all of its products in perpetuity at no cost. Yea, that sounds fair.
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Theres a massive difference between federal and local government investing in things.
Theres also a massive difference between basic utilities-- which these rural areas already have-- and gigabit internet, which basically noone residential needs nor can use right now.
By your logic government should not pay for public roads
It should all be privately owned toll roads.
As opposed to the no-competition toll roads that my taxpayer dollars just paid for around I-495? After 5 years of construction and untold millions of tax dollars, I now have the privilege of paying $5 to a state-granted monopoly to use the new road that I paid for. Thats TOTALLY better than what a private solution might have been, right?
It's a subsidy to the company that will provide the service for a fee.
.... who otherwise wouldnt provide the service.
The problem isnt that the subsidies are going to a company, its that the whole idea is a bad one from start to finish. By the time the costs are recouped, the technology will have changed / become cheaper, and its not a sure thing that even in 20 years gigabit-to-the-house will be terribly useful for most people.
If the LOCAL government wanted to do this as a way of pulling in business, sure, maybe there'd be some merit to the idea, but the federal government really needs to step back and remember what its job is.
You are right that both sides in Congress are basically engaging in melodrama for the sake of the cameras.
I think Trent Lott remarked a few years ago that media everywhere was one of the best and worst things to happen to modern democracy. Sums it up pretty nicely.
Network infrastructure is getting just as important as any other infrastructure.
The problem is that, as the market shows, most people neither need nor want gigabit or even 100meg. even 50/20 is more than most people will ever use.
Would I be able to make use of it? Absolutely. But that doesnt mean it makes any kind of sense for the government to push for gigabit everywhere, and just hope that somehow uses for it will magically appear. Part of living in the real world is prioritizing how you spend your limited resources, and generally its better to address needs that you have NOW rather than addressing potential future needs.
not carry a balance like people who live beyond their means do with a regular credit card.
FTFY.
Im sure there are cases where this isnt true, but in general if you are carrying a balance because you cant afford something now, and it isnt a 1-off emergency, youre making a mistake and exercising poor judgement.
Im going to guess you probably arent the target demographic of this device.
The difference between an overwrite and shattering the drive is like the difference between burning sensitive papers, and simply ripping them into shreds.
Ripping them up may make it difficult to get at, but a really determined attacker could conceivably recover some data.
Formatting your drive most likely got rid of none of the data.
All a format does is prepare the necessary bits for storing data (file tables etc). It doesnt usually overwrite the whole drive, even if you pick "full format".
Yes it does, or else people would be doing it.
That was the argument for Mac viruses. It couldnt be done, till technology and markets trends changed, and it started being done.
"Cant" and "dont currently" are vastly different.
and yes, if your title is network analyst and you prefer to be called that it's ok to insist on it.
It kind of makes you obnoxious, tbqh.
Most people over the age of 15 learn to live in a world with things that annoy them without blowing a gasket.
Apparently the world you live in is one where it is necessary to complain when people dont conform to your linguistic conventions, or form gender-neutral hypotheticals.
Or you could simply degauss the drive, or raise it to the curie temperature, rather than dealing with "sort of effective" and difficult methods of destruction.
Im not clear why people suggest shattering the platter; it doesnt "destroy" the data (simply separates it), its time consuming (unless you were already going for the magnets inside), and generally a quick zero-wipe will be sufficient and more effective for most cases, and degauss / curie temperature will suffice for all others.
That statement =/= "impossible", but rather "not feasible".
In other words, you probably dont want to rely on it as secure destruction if the information will be sensitive years from now, because new technology could change "not feasible" to "doable".
But the need to squeeze out every last bit of data density on drives has changed that - any place on the media where leftover traces of previous writes could be found is a place where more bits could be fit on the platter
That has nothing to do with the theory of how the data could be recovered. The theory was that flipping a 1 to a 0 is really like applying a "0" magnetic field to a bit that is currently "0.961235", and you end up with "0.015132". Hypothetically, maybe, some could analyze that "0.015132" and determine that it was previously a "0.961235", and reconstruct the data that way.
Its never been demonstrated, or proven, or disproven; conventional wisdom is that if possible it is quite difficult.
You're referring to information that was current 20 years ago.
20 years has not changed the fact that magnetic domains are analog, not digital. "Once you flip it, you've flipped it" isnt a concept that really exists in the analog world until your drive's firmware converts the analog reading to a digital 0.
That doesnt mean it cant be done.
This is like saying "i have a new encryption method, and noone has yet demonstrated that they can break it". That does not mean that it is secure, or a that a simple analysis of the method would not display glaring weaknesses; someone could very well be exploiting it and simply keeping it on the DL.
It is hypothetically possible to recover from a single overwrite, because it is a fact that "magnetic domain remnants" are left after an overwrite. Whether or not we have the technology / money / whatever to recover it is irrelevant to the fact that there is still data there to be recovered, and its foolish to pretend otherwise.
Meanwhile, it IS known that if you raise the platters to the curie temperature or degauss the drives, you cannot recover any data.
Open the drive, take out the platters, bend or break them, it is difficult but still technically possible to recover from that.
FTFY
Do one overwrite with zeros for magnetic media. Noone is sure if "they" can recover that, but it is hypothetically possible.
FTFY.
no, that's a recent development.
Oh, OK. Folks in Athens, Rome, Palestine, etc around 200 AD just lounged around? What about 90% of the population in the middle ages? What about Sumeria 5000 years ago?
What societies exactly do you think had all of this excess time off, can you name even one?
And tends to suck when you have changes happening on both end, and when you want simple conflict resolution, and when you have more than two devices, or when both sides are moving targets...
Rsync is about as far from a "set it and forget it" syncing solution as you can possibly get, the list of caveats and cautions is about as long as the feature list.
It continued to be shipped because customers DEMANDED that they have the option to delay upgrading, and as a for profit business Microsoft is happy to sell you a gun so that you can shoot yourself in the foot.
Microsoft has been pushing their newest OS, and its only been against their recommendation that people keep rolling out obsolete software.
why not upgrade to GNU/Linux?
Because that would make the problem they are having WORSE. The issue isnt the cost of the windows upgrade, its the cost of the application upgrade, which doesnt change just because youre on linux (actually, it seems like those apps tend to be more as theyre "specialty"). Meanwhile, XP has been supported FAR longer than any other OS on the market right now.
Thats why not "just switch to GNU/Linux", because its a terrible idea that would make their problem worse. "Just use GNU Linux to avoid having to upgrade" is why I used to come across crap like SCO Unix and Red Hat Linux version 8 in companies. Good luck supporting that... but hey, at least its FOSS right?
This thread makes me think that we really do have a massive entitlement-mentality problem.
The free, community-supported Linux cant be arsed to update 2.4 linux anymore, and Microsoft has for no additional charge continued supporting XP for an extra 3 years beyond its original scheduled EOL, and an extra 2 years beyond Linux 2.4. And thats not enough?
Maybe microsoft should cease all operations as a for-profit corporation and devote all its resources to creating and supporting all of its products in perpetuity at no cost. Yea, that sounds fair.
suddenly
For values where suddenly == 10 years, sure.
New truck tires dont last 13 years and have an announced deadline before support stops 10 years in advance.