"Really big apps have lots of data powering that GUI, they are not crappy checklists"
I think the platform, as they usually do, has outgrown the inventor. These mobile platforms were devised as consumer devices by companies that like to use one button or make all of their revenue off a single form field on a blank web page.
"The marketing teams are not trying to phase in web apps so much as they're trying to phase out productivity devices." Agreed. There is a lack of understanding pervading the industry right now. For years it was web-apps frenzy. It never felt quite right to developers but we went along with it. Cross-platform native development of mobile apps has just matured. We are standing at the starting point where web apps become...not the future.
"mobile app style sandboxing and permissions to desktop apps." Just build a mobile app.
"There are limits to what these apps can do" Again, just build a mobile app.
"Microsoft are in trouble because these compete with their failed Metro apps on Windows" False. They (Google) are trying to compete with mobile apps in general--weird. Cross-platform development on Xamarin Forms using open-source frameworks has completely killed this argument. Xamarin builds the same app for Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android with hardly any platform specific code to speak of. You can go through the app stores or you can ship the apps to users and let them install manually.
" Also it's a lot easier to find developers who can do Javascript and HTML than it is ones who can do Java."
We have had this paradigm for about ten years now and it hasn't yielded any mind blowing innovation other than an extremely fragmented array of JavaScript frameworks. Who can seriously entertain the thought of a JS framework gaining acceptance for more than six months? I think it would be best if we started pushing these people away from application development. The ship has sailed.
The element of trust around the security of the apps is worth the trade-offs. When most developers support every platform the heavy-handed ones will eventually die or wane influence (Apple). Oddly enough, the Linux desktop is being left out of the cross-platform innovation velocity.
Yawn. Web apps suck, as proven by the hundreds of attempts over the last few years to make it fun to develop web apps. Cross-platform, natively compiled mobile apps are the future. The HTML-based web is for reading and looking at pretty pictures. You can already deploy Xamarin.Forms apps to Android, iOS, Windows, MacOS, and Tizen...and probably others. If a new platform comes along you just import the project into your solution and hit build. Screw lock-in, and screw document-hack browser-based web apps.
The title...and more importantly the closing sentence of a comment directly affect the moderation of the content. Just end every post with "Hitler was a big stupid dummy!" to gain more karma.
Cool...they recorded your card number and expiration date on a piece of paper....hooray. They can always write down all the card info and batch it later. Just costs them more. All of which is not an approved practice....though not illegal.
what would make you think that business grade internet plans would be impacted by throttling. It will be the first aspect of differentiation among providers to kill that shit for businesses.
The swing vote, those without broken bullshit detectors, decided the election as it always does. They were tired of broken government and chose to try to sabotage it rather than letting it sputter on in status quo secret failure. Trump was not elected because he was really expected to fix anything. Wake up fart brain.
Whatever this thing is we call "The Left" is in the US is a disease and "The Right" got everything it deserved. Trump is way more liberal than he is a conservative... he saw the Republicans were on the ropes and took advantage of them. They probably hate him more than the left but its hard to tell these days.
"dragging uninvolved third parties into your dispute and effectively holding their livelihoods hostage is the epitome of pure, unadulterated, greed and scumbaggery."
I don't know man, it seems just a consequence of their industry. Give them the damn raise and move on with life.
"Here in the US, we've been trained to believe that the aggregation of capital is a wondrous and magical thing, but the aggregation of labor is some satanic Maoist plot to destroy society."
LOL. That is awesome. Don't know if I agree but it has the ring of truth.
They have already started. It is not politically correct to say that the government should not accept refugees. They are overrunning certain countries like Sweden and are fostering the rapid decline of their once functioning socialist utopia. I'm not being sarcastic.
I agree but you have to consider the organizing factor. The capital owner is the business organizer responsible for the going concern. Workers do not do any of that. The organizing factor is more valuable than any single worker.
When they say "Full Employment," they mean "the most employment they are going to allow before it triggers the Fed to adjust rates and ruin people's lives so they can remain in control." The "they" is another discussion but includes The Fed.
Sort of. People are not going to give you money out of the goodness of their hearts. If you are happy working every year for the same crappy wage they are happy to keep paying it and passing the savings on to themselves. Most people, I have observed, have no idea how much money some people make. They pass me on the street and may interact with me but have no concept that I make three times what they do and work less than half the hours. Instead of a universal income or higher minimum wages we should make everyone's wage public so we have a true market.
If Joe Six-Pack knew what those people in the office actually made he might actually demand more. Joe Six-Pack is blinded by his own ignorance and sheer inability to comprehend the real wage gap. Your average (mean, whatever) income in America is about $50k per year and when people work up to that they think they are doing good. They can't fathom that there are large swathes of people, a lot of whom they lay eyes on every day, that have much better benefits, work less hours, and earn a salary that is double or triple what they earn. These people drive pretty much the same cars, eat the same food, shop at the same places, go to the same schools, wear the same clothes as them but they have an actual retirement savings, a serious cushion in the bank, their car payment and other bills don't even make them break a sweat and they have equity in their homes. The debt-riddled lower-middle class have no idea how bad of a deal they are agreeing to because all the things I mentioned above are propping up an illusion that they are on parity with their middle-class fellows that walk among them.
I have no problem paying more for things if it means workers are getting paid more--hey it's what "it" costs. But I will be damned if I'm going to pay more taxes to have my money taken from me by the government waste machine and doled out to those same workers. The government has no interest in removing themselves as the middle man. For them to protect the worker is to give up their own power.
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"Really big apps have lots of data powering that GUI, they are not crappy checklists"
I think the platform, as they usually do, has outgrown the inventor. These mobile platforms were devised as consumer devices by companies that like to use one button or make all of their revenue off a single form field on a blank web page.
"The marketing teams are not trying to phase in web apps so much as they're trying to phase out productivity devices."
Agreed. There is a lack of understanding pervading the industry right now. For years it was web-apps frenzy. It never felt quite right to developers but we went along with it. Cross-platform native development of mobile apps has just matured. We are standing at the starting point where web apps become...not the future.
"mobile app style sandboxing and permissions to desktop apps."
Just build a mobile app.
"There are limits to what these apps can do"
Again, just build a mobile app.
"Microsoft are in trouble because these compete with their failed Metro apps on Windows"
False. They (Google) are trying to compete with mobile apps in general--weird. Cross-platform development on Xamarin Forms using open-source frameworks has completely killed this argument. Xamarin builds the same app for Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android with hardly any platform specific code to speak of. You can go through the app stores or you can ship the apps to users and let them install manually.
" Also it's a lot easier to find developers who can do Javascript and HTML than it is ones who can do Java."
We have had this paradigm for about ten years now and it hasn't yielded any mind blowing innovation other than an extremely fragmented array of JavaScript frameworks. Who can seriously entertain the thought of a JS framework gaining acceptance for more than six months? I think it would be best if we started pushing these people away from application development. The ship has sailed.
The element of trust around the security of the apps is worth the trade-offs. When most developers support every platform the heavy-handed ones will eventually die or wane influence (Apple). Oddly enough, the Linux desktop is being left out of the cross-platform innovation velocity.
Yawn. Web apps suck, as proven by the hundreds of attempts over the last few years to make it fun to develop web apps. Cross-platform, natively compiled mobile apps are the future. The HTML-based web is for reading and looking at pretty pictures. You can already deploy Xamarin.Forms apps to Android, iOS, Windows, MacOS, and Tizen...and probably others. If a new platform comes along you just import the project into your solution and hit build. Screw lock-in, and screw document-hack browser-based web apps.
The title...and more importantly the closing sentence of a comment directly affect the moderation of the content. Just end every post with "Hitler was a big stupid dummy!" to gain more karma.
Yeah...but we can pull it off. Your average Reddit scum is not qualified to comment without knowing the facts.
These guys have a serious gambling problem.
Don't know but I'm loving me some new Firefox.
You are forgetting inventory and the customer tracking...the most important parts other than getting paid.
Cool...they recorded your card number and expiration date on a piece of paper....hooray. They can always write down all the card info and batch it later. Just costs them more. All of which is not an approved practice....though not illegal.
what would make you think that business grade internet plans would be impacted by throttling. It will be the first aspect of differentiation among providers to kill that shit for businesses.
The swing vote, those without broken bullshit detectors, decided the election as it always does. They were tired of broken government and chose to try to sabotage it rather than letting it sputter on in status quo secret failure. Trump was not elected because he was really expected to fix anything. Wake up fart brain.
Whatever this thing is we call "The Left" is in the US is a disease and "The Right" got everything it deserved. Trump is way more liberal than he is a conservative... he saw the Republicans were on the ropes and took advantage of them. They probably hate him more than the left but its hard to tell these days.
You put his shit to bed.
...or in Sweden
http://www.breitbart.com/londo...
"dragging uninvolved third parties into your dispute and effectively holding their livelihoods hostage is the epitome of pure, unadulterated, greed and scumbaggery."
I don't know man, it seems just a consequence of their industry. Give them the damn raise and move on with life.
"Here in the US, we've been trained to believe that the aggregation of capital is a wondrous and magical thing, but the aggregation of labor is some satanic Maoist plot to destroy society."
LOL. That is awesome. Don't know if I agree but it has the ring of truth.
They have already started. It is not politically correct to say that the government should not accept refugees. They are overrunning certain countries like Sweden and are fostering the rapid decline of their once functioning socialist utopia. I'm not being sarcastic.
I agree but you have to consider the organizing factor. The capital owner is the business organizer responsible for the going concern. Workers do not do any of that. The organizing factor is more valuable than any single worker.
When they say "Full Employment," they mean "the most employment they are going to allow before it triggers the Fed to adjust rates and ruin people's lives so they can remain in control." The "they" is another discussion but includes The Fed.
Sort of. People are not going to give you money out of the goodness of their hearts. If you are happy working every year for the same crappy wage they are happy to keep paying it and passing the savings on to themselves. Most people, I have observed, have no idea how much money some people make. They pass me on the street and may interact with me but have no concept that I make three times what they do and work less than half the hours. Instead of a universal income or higher minimum wages we should make everyone's wage public so we have a true market.
If Joe Six-Pack knew what those people in the office actually made he might actually demand more. Joe Six-Pack is blinded by his own ignorance and sheer inability to comprehend the real wage gap. Your average (mean, whatever) income in America is about $50k per year and when people work up to that they think they are doing good. They can't fathom that there are large swathes of people, a lot of whom they lay eyes on every day, that have much better benefits, work less hours, and earn a salary that is double or triple what they earn. These people drive pretty much the same cars, eat the same food, shop at the same places, go to the same schools, wear the same clothes as them but they have an actual retirement savings, a serious cushion in the bank, their car payment and other bills don't even make them break a sweat and they have equity in their homes. The debt-riddled lower-middle class have no idea how bad of a deal they are agreeing to because all the things I mentioned above are propping up an illusion that they are on parity with their middle-class fellows that walk among them.
I have no problem paying more for things if it means workers are getting paid more--hey it's what "it" costs. But I will be damned if I'm going to pay more taxes to have my money taken from me by the government waste machine and doled out to those same workers. The government has no interest in removing themselves as the middle man. For them to protect the worker is to give up their own power.
Oddly enough we look to a branch of government that was not mentioned in the constitution to validate all the stuff that was not in the constitution.
Totally forgot about Think Different....the reminder is chilling seeing how far removed they are from that.
"At a certain point we either start demanding parity in how workers are treated or just admit that an iPhone is more important"
I second that.