She told congress that she did it so that she only had to use one device at a time.
Her statements to the FBI showed her consistently using 2 to 3 devices at a time.
She stated under oath to congress she used only one device for email.
She stated to the FBI that she used 13 devices.
How is one of these not a lie?
She stated multiple times that she never received nor sent classified emails over her private email server.
The FBI found and reported on classified (At the time they were sent or received.) emails found to have been sent from and received by that server.
Where are we speculating here? Is the fact that she lied about this not just a fact now?
We can go over them one by one. Or you could point to a statement that you think has not been proven. I just pointed out two really fast that can in no way be refuted. If you want to vote for Hillary, this is your constitutional right. Do not though try to hide behind wiggly words to pretend she does not lie.
Which is why originally politics was to be of service. People who had already been successful and were able to take the hit that serving in congress would entail in order to serve the country and the people that made it possible.
Now we have people that want to be a politician for life. It does corrupt. If you think Sanders is immune, look into his statements of truth about Hillary while it was helping his career path to bash her and the statements when bashing her would hinder is political career.
Truth is not as important to him as his political career. That is evident by his turn around.
We know that the emails were deleted by the ones they were able to recover. (Not speculation. Fact)
We know that she told the congress, under oath, that she used only one device. She told the FBI that she had used 13. (Not speculation. Fact)
We know that she stated that she had never sent nor received classified documents over he private email, Comey and the facts state otherwise. (Not speculation. Fact)
We know from the testimony of the parents that she told them that she would get the video guy for doing this.(Not speculation. Fact. Unless you are calling the parents liars.)
The State Dept access thing was not looked into at all by Comey. If though you look at who she met with, it is fairly obvious. Proving it in court might be more difficult though.
She did in fact not pass a single bill of substance as a Senator with her name on it. (Not speculation. Fact)
As for the last. This one IMO is more objective than subjective, but you can argue it. What region of the world do you think we ended up with a better relationship in or was more stable than before?
So. Again. Would you like to point out the holes in my argument or will your next awesome comment be, "Hillary says it's not TRUE!"
Because the words of people, when in direct opposition to known facts is not a viable argument.
You literally just spewed a statement that effectively refuted nothing in my previous statement. If you continue this path of argument, you will just be ignored.
Sanders ran as an outsider but he is just another career politician. It was not his turn so he was not favored, but he has been a part of the machine for longer than all the idiots voting for him have been alive. Politician from day one. That is his job. His only job. Politicians ruin the country. People who server for a bit are what we need to survive.
Trump will either do some good or crash and burn the country trying to be awesome. Of all the issues I have with Trump, that motherfucker loves his name. He has a deep seated need to win. To have is name synonymous with WIN,
I feel that he will really try, very hard in his way to do good things. Great things. I have questions about if he can accomplish them. Not if he wants to do good.
Hillary.
I know for a fact that she is in politics to build power for the establishment. She is more interested in building power and money and I know she will lie, cheat and steal to get it done. There is a small part of me that thinks that the nut jobs that say the Clintons kill people might be right. Clinton will ruin the country. As would Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Bush, and all the rest. They will ruin the US. They will do it slower, but more certainly.
That is what I think, and my sole reason for voting Trump. Trump sucks but with him there is a small amount of hope. I have none for any of the others.
No.
I have stated that you can have your opinion. Facts are facts though. You continually state that it is just speculation. It is not. We know what happened at the very least. I have only stated what is provable.
With the facts in hand you can come to any conclusion you like. But you do not. You keep stating that the facts laid out are speculation when they clearly are not.
Worse or not is your opinion and you have a right to it.
There is no speculation there. If you could be honest with yourself you would admit that.
My guess is that if you admitted that she did the things that have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, that you could no longer support her. So, you must hide from the facts. I would have some small amount of respect if you could look at the truth and hold your opinion. One though it seems, to you at least, has to go. You choose keeping your opinion over seeing the actual facts.
Again. Might want to look at that.
Our brains don't like voids. Our imaginations take over and we invent scenarios which are often extreme. In this case, you are expecting the worst of Clinton and your imaginary scenario is worse than the reality of Trump.
There is zero extreme we have to "imagine" in this scenario. She knew that she had sent and received classified emails on her private server and there were emails that she wanted to hide from the people. She had the server wiped to cover up the facts.
What in that scenario is extreme or does not fit the facts we absolutely know?
You can have a dog in the fight. You have that right. Do not though lie to yourself about what happened here. It is plain as day and would be proven in a court of law had it been any of us.
Again. Did you read? You can vote for whoever you want. Just don't lie to yourself about what we actually know. If you have to lie to yourself to do something. You might want to check what you are doing.
We KNOW that they deleted emails.
We KNOW that some of the emails that were recovered were classified.
We KNOW that she lied to congress about the devices she used.
We KNOW that she lied to the people that she never received or sent classified emails.
We KNOW that they wiped out emails after they were demanded by the government.
We KNOW lots of things.
I know that if I were to be investigated by the government and they demanded the emails from my business and within days of me finding this out I started going through my email and deciding on my own what was important for the investigation to see and what was not and started deleting stuff....
Even if they could find no direct evidence of my deleting material evidence, even if they could not prove that the stuff I removed had bearing on the case.
I would be in prison. You know this.
You can have a dog in the fight. You have that right. Do not though lie to yourself about what happened here. It is plain as day and would be proven in a court of law had it been any of us.
Voting for Trump hurts the establishment. Both the Democrats and the Republicans.
You keep on listening to their lies. They have already convinced you that one side of the establishment is better than the other side. It is not like you are not already so invested in your belief system that it is even possible for you to see that both sides only care for more power for the powers that be. The sides you have been convinced to take exist only in the reality they show you. In truth, there is the powers that be vs the people that want power to be more fluid.
One day you may see that. It will not though come to you before the election. You are incapable of seeing it.
She deleted government emails after they were demanded.
She straight up lied to congress about the devices she used.
She lied to the people and congress about sending and reviving classified documents.
She lied to the parents of the warriors that died trying to protect a US ambassador.
She sold State Dept access to donors of the "Awesome Clinton Foundation".
She accomplished nothing as a Senator.
She presided over the State Dept and when she left, many regions of the world were worse off and none better off.
There are a lot of things I do not know about Trump. You are correct.
Everything we know about Hillary proves she is unqualified and untrustable.
Every humans life starts with a specific amount of value.
That humans actions raise or lower that value over time.
She was a person who not only wanted to hurt other people, but did so in a stupid way. Then when her actions unsurprisingly backfired she lacked any ability to deal with it in an adult manner and just made shit worse. She was a bad person, that dug a hole and then attempted to fix it by digging deeper and was of the opinion that the only solution was death.
She looked decent, that though, sadly was the limit of that lives worth.
Glad she is dead. Bitch wanted to hurt some guy with her actions. Those actions ended up making her look bad. Then she decides that the world must be legally forced to "Forget" that she is a classless whore.
For Laptops I would much rather have one at 7Lbs with better cooling, more battery life and more ports than a 3 lb Macbook Air.
If I want to compute when walking I have a fucking nice phone. If I want to easily move my computer from non mpobile place to non mobile place a 7 or 8 lb laptop is fine. For everything else a full fucking tower with "MOARRR POWAAA!" and multiple displays is my thing.
Thin and sexy has no place in those buying decisions. Those that choose them do it for the wrong reasons.
You have people in power that were not elected because the guy that was elected took his toys and stomped off home.
This had nothing to do with an actual effect of the Brexit vote. It was never a thought that if it passed the leader would turn into a two year old, take his toys and go home. David really did turn into a little bitch. Sad.
The rest of your argument can really be broken down to, "People who voted different than me are stupid."
Also. It makes me sad that there are so many that think that, "voting against their own proclaimed interest" is on the face of it a bad thing. Let me first state that in that case it is not what happened. Just because some people in safe seats had more of a say does not make the country itself autonomous. Other countries can set laws that are not in the best interest of one of them.
Second. Voting your conscious even when it is against what would directly benefit you is a good thing. The statement you made, "voting against their own proclaimed interest" being a thing that makes one a moron says a lot about you. It states that you are a selfish person who can not fathom voting for a right thing if it costs you. I am not sure that you are aware that you hold such a deeply wrong belief. Voting to give everyone around my wage level a bunch of money taken from others to "Even things out" would benefit me greatly. I though believe that people should be treated equal, not that people should be treated differently in order to insure an equal outcome. It is a core belief of mine and I have stood by it even when it costs me. (Not a rich guy)
According to your words, not mine. You are a person whos beliefs either are set to benefit you, or when they are not, and they are put to the test, they will lose out to your selfish self interest. Might want to look into changing who you are to become a better person.
I would really pay an extra $100 for a Note 7 that is twice as thick and uses that space for improved cooling and more battery life.
Not every person judges the value of a thing by how thin and sexy it is. Some of us value performance, flexibility and freedom.
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She told congress that she did it so that she only had to use one device at a time.
Her statements to the FBI showed her consistently using 2 to 3 devices at a time.
She stated under oath to congress she used only one device for email.
She stated to the FBI that she used 13 devices.
How is one of these not a lie?
She stated multiple times that she never received nor sent classified emails over her private email server.
The FBI found and reported on classified (At the time they were sent or received.) emails found to have been sent from and received by that server.
Where are we speculating here? Is the fact that she lied about this not just a fact now?
We can go over them one by one. Or you could point to a statement that you think has not been proven. I just pointed out two really fast that can in no way be refuted. If you want to vote for Hillary, this is your constitutional right. Do not though try to hide behind wiggly words to pretend she does not lie.
Which is why originally politics was to be of service. People who had already been successful and were able to take the hit that serving in congress would entail in order to serve the country and the people that made it possible.
Now we have people that want to be a politician for life. It does corrupt. If you think Sanders is immune, look into his statements of truth about Hillary while it was helping his career path to bash her and the statements when bashing her would hinder is political career.
Truth is not as important to him as his political career. That is evident by his turn around.
That is funny.
We know that the emails were deleted by the ones they were able to recover. (Not speculation. Fact)
We know that she told the congress, under oath, that she used only one device. She told the FBI that she had used 13. (Not speculation. Fact)
We know that she stated that she had never sent nor received classified documents over he private email, Comey and the facts state otherwise. (Not speculation. Fact)
We know from the testimony of the parents that she told them that she would get the video guy for doing this.(Not speculation. Fact. Unless you are calling the parents liars.)
The State Dept access thing was not looked into at all by Comey. If though you look at who she met with, it is fairly obvious. Proving it in court might be more difficult though.
She did in fact not pass a single bill of substance as a Senator with her name on it. (Not speculation. Fact)
As for the last. This one IMO is more objective than subjective, but you can argue it. What region of the world do you think we ended up with a better relationship in or was more stable than before?
So. Again. Would you like to point out the holes in my argument or will your next awesome comment be, "Hillary says it's not TRUE!"
Because the words of people, when in direct opposition to known facts is not a viable argument.
You literally just spewed a statement that effectively refuted nothing in my previous statement. If you continue this path of argument, you will just be ignored.
Sanders ran as an outsider but he is just another career politician. It was not his turn so he was not favored, but he has been a part of the machine for longer than all the idiots voting for him have been alive. Politician from day one. That is his job. His only job. Politicians ruin the country. People who server for a bit are what we need to survive.
Trump will either do some good or crash and burn the country trying to be awesome. Of all the issues I have with Trump, that motherfucker loves his name. He has a deep seated need to win. To have is name synonymous with WIN,
I feel that he will really try, very hard in his way to do good things. Great things. I have questions about if he can accomplish them. Not if he wants to do good.
Hillary.
I know for a fact that she is in politics to build power for the establishment. She is more interested in building power and money and I know she will lie, cheat and steal to get it done. There is a small part of me that thinks that the nut jobs that say the Clintons kill people might be right. Clinton will ruin the country. As would Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Bush, and all the rest. They will ruin the US. They will do it slower, but more certainly.
That is what I think, and my sole reason for voting Trump. Trump sucks but with him there is a small amount of hope. I have none for any of the others.
No.
I have stated that you can have your opinion. Facts are facts though. You continually state that it is just speculation. It is not. We know what happened at the very least. I have only stated what is provable.
With the facts in hand you can come to any conclusion you like. But you do not. You keep stating that the facts laid out are speculation when they clearly are not.
And yet you still say that the statements are only speculation.
Why can you not admit that they are way beyond speculation?
Worse or not is your opinion and you have a right to it.
There is no speculation there. If you could be honest with yourself you would admit that.
My guess is that if you admitted that she did the things that have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, that you could no longer support her. So, you must hide from the facts. I would have some small amount of respect if you could look at the truth and hold your opinion. One though it seems, to you at least, has to go. You choose keeping your opinion over seeing the actual facts.
Again. Might want to look at that.
Our brains don't like voids. Our imaginations take over and we invent scenarios which are often extreme. In this case, you are expecting the worst of Clinton and your imaginary scenario is worse than the reality of Trump.
There is zero extreme we have to "imagine" in this scenario. She knew that she had sent and received classified emails on her private server and there were emails that she wanted to hide from the people. She had the server wiped to cover up the facts.
What in that scenario is extreme or does not fit the facts we absolutely know?
You can have a dog in the fight. You have that right. Do not though lie to yourself about what happened here. It is plain as day and would be proven in a court of law had it been any of us.
Again. Did you read? You can vote for whoever you want. Just don't lie to yourself about what we actually know. If you have to lie to yourself to do something. You might want to check what you are doing.
We KNOW that they deleted emails.
....
We KNOW that some of the emails that were recovered were classified.
We KNOW that she lied to congress about the devices she used.
We KNOW that she lied to the people that she never received or sent classified emails.
We KNOW that they wiped out emails after they were demanded by the government.
We KNOW lots of things.
I know that if I were to be investigated by the government and they demanded the emails from my business and within days of me finding this out I started going through my email and deciding on my own what was important for the investigation to see and what was not and started deleting stuff
Even if they could find no direct evidence of my deleting material evidence, even if they could not prove that the stuff I removed had bearing on the case.
I would be in prison. You know this.
You can have a dog in the fight. You have that right. Do not though lie to yourself about what happened here. It is plain as day and would be proven in a court of law had it been any of us.
Johnson is an idiot. He is running as a libertarian that goes against the core beliefs of his party.
Voting for Trump hurts the establishment. Both the Democrats and the Republicans.
You keep on listening to their lies. They have already convinced you that one side of the establishment is better than the other side. It is not like you are not already so invested in your belief system that it is even possible for you to see that both sides only care for more power for the powers that be. The sides you have been convinced to take exist only in the reality they show you. In truth, there is the powers that be vs the people that want power to be more fluid.
One day you may see that. It will not though come to you before the election. You are incapable of seeing it.
AC posts stupid AC shit.
She deleted government emails after they were demanded.
She straight up lied to congress about the devices she used.
She lied to the people and congress about sending and reviving classified documents.
She lied to the parents of the warriors that died trying to protect a US ambassador.
She sold State Dept access to donors of the "Awesome Clinton Foundation".
She accomplished nothing as a Senator.
She presided over the State Dept and when she left, many regions of the world were worse off and none better off.
There are a lot of things I do not know about Trump. You are correct.
Everything we know about Hillary proves she is unqualified and untrustable.
Irregardless of her other mental conditions, when she sent that video specifically to hurt another person ...
Fuck her.
Every humans life starts with a specific amount of value.
That humans actions raise or lower that value over time.
She was a person who not only wanted to hurt other people, but did so in a stupid way. Then when her actions unsurprisingly backfired she lacked any ability to deal with it in an adult manner and just made shit worse. She was a bad person, that dug a hole and then attempted to fix it by digging deeper and was of the opinion that the only solution was death.
She looked decent, that though, sadly was the limit of that lives worth.
Easy. She sent a sex video to her ex with the express intent to hurt him.
This proves she has zero class.
She sent the video specifically to hurt someone.
She killed herself over it.
World works just like we want it to. Go home SJW.
Glad she is dead. Bitch wanted to hurt some guy with her actions. Those actions ended up making her look bad. Then she decides that the world must be legally forced to "Forget" that she is a classless whore.
Again. Fuck her.
I found my special purpose.
For Laptops I would much rather have one at 7Lbs with better cooling, more battery life and more ports than a 3 lb Macbook Air.
If I want to compute when walking I have a fucking nice phone. If I want to easily move my computer from non mpobile place to non mobile place a 7 or 8 lb laptop is fine. For everything else a full fucking tower with "MOARRR POWAAA!" and multiple displays is my thing.
Thin and sexy has no place in those buying decisions. Those that choose them do it for the wrong reasons.
You have people in power that were not elected because the guy that was elected took his toys and stomped off home.
This had nothing to do with an actual effect of the Brexit vote. It was never a thought that if it passed the leader would turn into a two year old, take his toys and go home. David really did turn into a little bitch. Sad.
The rest of your argument can really be broken down to, "People who voted different than me are stupid."
Also. It makes me sad that there are so many that think that, "voting against their own proclaimed interest" is on the face of it a bad thing. Let me first state that in that case it is not what happened. Just because some people in safe seats had more of a say does not make the country itself autonomous. Other countries can set laws that are not in the best interest of one of them.
Second. Voting your conscious even when it is against what would directly benefit you is a good thing. The statement you made, "voting against their own proclaimed interest" being a thing that makes one a moron says a lot about you. It states that you are a selfish person who can not fathom voting for a right thing if it costs you. I am not sure that you are aware that you hold such a deeply wrong belief. Voting to give everyone around my wage level a bunch of money taken from others to "Even things out" would benefit me greatly. I though believe that people should be treated equal, not that people should be treated differently in order to insure an equal outcome. It is a core belief of mine and I have stood by it even when it costs me. (Not a rich guy)
According to your words, not mine. You are a person whos beliefs either are set to benefit you, or when they are not, and they are put to the test, they will lose out to your selfish self interest. Might want to look into changing who you are to become a better person.
I would really pay an extra $100 for a Note 7 that is twice as thick and uses that space for improved cooling and more battery life.
Not every person judges the value of a thing by how thin and sexy it is. Some of us value performance, flexibility and freedom.
Then there are the iPhone people.
BTX.
Lols.