I've always like the simplicity of MacOS (it just works) and the power of Unix. I didn't get a shot at Mac OS X until my current job. The previoius job was whatever got shuttled to your desktop by the desktop PC purchaser person and the corporate IT brigade. Here I got to choose and went for a TiBook with only a little hesitation.
I'm extremely pleased...there's lots of commercial and free (beer and/or speech)apps available. I installed Apple's development tools but have yet to play with them. The multi-tasking is very good (IMO). I briefly had something previous to X.2 on it, but now have Jaguar. Jaguar is a definite improvement. I love being able to bring up a terminal amidst whatever other apps are going.
I've dual-booted MacOS/LinuxPPC and Win/Linux...but now I have it all in one box. Dual-booting was a necessary evil...now it's not.
And they cost even more...and Apple does innovate deeper than the case. Dell, Compaq, Gateway, and whoever else just go bargain their cards and parts into the machines...Screwdriver shops and individuals put their own together...They all hope Windows will work with their [sound|video|*]card..
Apple sells the whole widget...you know it works out of the box.
So...what is it that they do or don't do that makes the 'BMW-doesn't-ride-on-all-roads' analogy fit?
As does this *old* comeback. Apple is Unix, which is the backbone of the internet (i.e the roads of which you speak). SGI and Sun have made curvey cases, but I don't hear the same bad analogies aimed at them.
Apple is unique, they make the whole widget...so what if part of that widget is a curvey case. I have a beige box running Mac OS...I bought it because of the OS...which runs just fine on the roads.
And what is it that they are not doing that would make them good computers (IYHO)? Do you know the difference between a dalmation iMac and an iLamp or are you just juding a computer by its case?
If indeed the only stipulation is distributing the source...that's pretty much a given for a government contract...in the name of life cycle management.
We produced Computer-based training for a weapons system and the customer required all the source files, media, code, etc. in the name of life-cycle management.
As long as the changes do not have to be publicly published as the price of the 'free' (beer or speech) software, then I don't see what the problem is. The customer has the clearance (and probably more than the contractor...assuming the person asking here is a contractor). Seems to be a moot point from that angle...but I'm not an OSS/GPL/FSF/ETC expert.
I work at a Defense Contractor...we have one of their older ones. Too breakable though IMHO...and you're right about their marketing angle. I want development and interface capabilities for maintenance and operations support.
But what I really want to know is...from how high can I drop it and at what velocity can it withstand a shot against a bulkhead?
They want computing that works like TV does -- that's easy to use, takes little space, costs relatively little money and works every
time you turn it on, year after year. The public is increasingly wise to tech scams like hardware that's obsolete every 18 months and software that doesn't even
last that long
You mean, like my Mac (clone actually) that I've had for going on five years. $600 worth of upgrades and and I'm still on par or ahead of people who are buying their third wintel box (or *upgrading*...which means swapping everything minus case/power supply).
Apple lost the OS war, but they're unique....and so what...maybe grandma doesn't edit digital video right now....but you give her something she can actually use (without chasing driver downloads for 2 days) to do it and she might!.
I paid for Quicken at one point (as part of the bundle I paid for on my system). As a consumer with a registered version of Quicken, I was entitled to a free upgrade when they realized that x-y versions weren't Y2K ready...and they had claimed they were....Again, I paid for Quicken.
If GPL, OSF, whatever other TLA-licensed (Three-Letter-Acronymn)code is paid for. As in If (!free beer) and (free speech)...then it should be liable. If I don't have to pay for it, then I want some liability.
If (free beer) and (free speech or !free speech) {
Then I really don't card too much about liability. Downloader beware! }
When Code Red was disabling Qwest's DSL service all over and customers and Qwest were getting hosed (and I'm sure Qwest passed the hosing on down to its customers), I enjoyed the fact that my service provider didn't rely on M$'s pitiful-attempt-at-being-secure OS for operations. I had a Mac connected to Speakeasy...I was just fine! When vulnerability is that widespread among M$ OSes, and *n*x based systems are unaffected...there's a definite problem.
My personal solution? I don't use M$'s products...unless they're free (as in beer).
People who run a marathon do have something that sets them apart and Mac users have something special that keeps them coming back and gives them something to do...besides call 9 of their friends and ask if they know why they absolutely cannot defrag their drive or get their PC out of safe mode.
Those with Windows are just dealing with the same crap as everyone else...Big group...nothing exciting, no real community.
Since the technology that makes it up is not really new...can it do something combining the component technology to do something novel and uniquely useless (this is what makes it sell anyway)?
Can I tune in, encode and stream? Why? Cuz I potentially could! There's always some novel use for seemingly useless technology. And someone who reads/. will probably hack it to achieve such a feat!
Yeah...you're right...numbers would never convince management to do anything. They'd rather pick Linux over M$ because it's more stable, the GPL is cool, and has a penguin as a mascot!
Sorry for trollin'. I understand your point (even read the follow-up after the Submit button went off prematurely), but management won't do anything without simple numbers...even IT management...err...especially IT management. They can read numbers. The other like pictures!
That my visor deluxe didn't get outclassed by a same/lower price visor (the Neo)...It's just the platinum in new flavored cases. I understand it's not real exciting for the tech. industry in general, but I was glad my hardware was less obsolsecent than I suspected it was going to be...although I would like 16 MB. But PocketPC's are still running bigger than that...but that's WinCE and isn't stability still off on those. I've hung my Visor...once, maybe twice, but no data loss.
I just hope my 16-gray Platinum will be of use when some incarnation Frankified Be/Palm OS hits the market...
Galego
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True! but consider this..
Those people in the World Trade Center, on the planes and at the Pentagon aren't necessarily responsible for any of the unfair-ities that 'provoked' this attack.
Your'e right...and I'll even admit that self-interest leads down the road to 'evil' at a certain point.
But! Would you say that all of the US' non-benevolent charity acts warranted such an outright evil attack on innocent citizens? (Unless everyone the now-dead and survivors can be implicated somehow in these heinous non-benevolent acts.) If so...then let's just go ahead and get out the nukes and be done with it!
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So...do you really believe everything was done to get something out of it? Are you just someone that has to find fault no matter what happens? I bet you'd find fault America was wrong if they didn't help...
At least some good was done. And if America is so bad...why don't you go try living somewhere else smart guy! Even better if you already do...
Inevitable as long as there are degrees such as MBA's. No specificity...just mumbo jumbo generality axioms...like this UF strip.
I work at a defense contractor and a group here actually purchased rights to software...I mean, source code, kit and kabootle. Thanks goodness, it's for logistics and not for something critical. I was discussing the purchase with another worker. We work directly for the purchaser. The deal was made behind closed doors and really only with the input of one tech guy...who had a fettish for this software... and also left here but wriggled in a partnership with his new company on the way out...Anyway, my cohort made the comment that our boss (the non-technical manager type) making this deal was like someone who's never mowed a lawn buying a lawnmower. Then he added..."And they don't have a lawn either". He was right on the money!
This is rampant, not just in web development houses. Unfortunately, Dilbert has already been written...or you'd have some funny comic strip on your hands that would make you lots of money...
Unfortunately, you're right...I don't see an end to the trend!
There's a market for everything...and I don't use anything but CSS...anyway.
I'm investigating some problems with document publication, single-source multiple input etc. where I work. SVG appears to have some of the solutions we're looking for. The customer is small enough that we can make the viewer a requirement. And what they do now is probably worse...but anyway. SVG was created out of needs/problems (and partly, like everything, because 'we can'). Those needs/problems mean a market and/or customers. And doing it cuz you can often creates a market (dot.bombs for example...fun while it lasted). Might be enough to carry it, might not be enough....I know I plan on giving it a shot to try and solve our problems. The fact that it's a spec helps me sell it as a solution.
But on another note...Adobe's download seems to be/.'ed...or just whacked. Can anyone point me to another place to get the adobe viewer/a good viewer?
I knew a guy...his Dad had a very extensive music library. You know how he got it? He went to the library, friends, whatever...borrowed stuff and dubbed it. Why are there dual CD decks with one CD-R. Daul Tape Decks? CD + Tape Deck? Did it take Napster for these people to get it?
Now they smell the legal bait...they're gonna go for it all! Sheesh!!
My wife didn't answer the door one of the times the Covad guy came...(He must have been wearing his monster mask or something...anyway that costs you $99). That was back in January I think...around the turn of the year anyway. Speakeasy just barely billed me for it because Covad had not passed it on yet. Maybe all the missed appt. fees will help them out...but with that sort of billing turnaround, no wonder they're tanking.
Now...Speakeasy's billing is only a half-step ahead. They were trying to bill me for someone else's missed appointments...and in general have just not been too bright. So...will someone else pick up Covad's ball? Will it actually go through Qwest now? Accchhhhhhkkkkkk!!!! NO!!!!
ya know...I didn't even think of that and I've even set up majordomo before (ahh, the woderful experience...acckkgghh). In fact I once removed a sign-up from a web form for a list (from another domain/site) that readers of the site might be interested in. Same reason, it was a potential e-mail bomb, with no confirmation on the sign-up.
Still don't know if it deserves black-listing, but what they were doing was definitely not best practices. Was there any contact, reccomendation given before the blackholin'?
My favorite though..is people who get on lists and then send (and reply with the whole digest quoted) saying "Take me off this list"...and reply the same way 5 times a day. So, yeah...I agree Opt-in is a good thing.
Macromedia got on the RBL because of an open, unconfirmed mailing list they REFUSED to fix - and they got off again very soon afterwards, probably by promising to fix it
And what list was this? I receive THE EDGE newsletter...I elected to. You can elect to receive it when you download extensions, trials, etc. I didn't receive it until I told them OK (after a few downloads). So what list/infraction are you referring to?
In addition, I have a yahoo account or two that I use for such lists...And macromedia was the first company I gave (used for an account) a particular address to, and I have seen no increased traffic to that account as a result.
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I've always like the simplicity of MacOS (it just works) and the power of Unix. I didn't get a shot at Mac OS X until my current job. The previoius job was whatever got shuttled to your desktop by the desktop PC purchaser person and the corporate IT brigade. Here I got to choose and went for a TiBook with only a little hesitation.
I'm extremely pleased...there's lots of commercial and free (beer and/or speech)apps available. I installed Apple's development tools but have yet to play with them. The multi-tasking is very good (IMO). I briefly had something previous to X.2 on it, but now have Jaguar. Jaguar is a definite improvement. I love being able to bring up a terminal amidst whatever other apps are going.
I've dual-booted MacOS/LinuxPPC and Win/Linux...but now I have it all in one box. Dual-booting was a necessary evil...now it's not.
Cheers,
Galego
Shhh...don't tell...or people will just do it to show Apple (and the rest of the world) they can...even if it's not necessary... Dohhh!!! Too late!!!
Oooh! I got it though...your backdoor password could be something really cool and cryptic like NetscapeEngineersAreWeenies
Apple sells the whole widget...you know it works out of the box.
So...what is it that they do or don't do that makes the 'BMW-doesn't-ride-on-all-roads' analogy fit?
Apple is unique, they make the whole widget...so what if part of that widget is a curvey case. I have a beige box running Mac OS...I bought it because of the OS...which runs just fine on the roads.
And what is it that they are not doing that would make them good computers (IYHO)? Do you know the difference between a dalmation iMac and an iLamp or are you just juding a computer by its case?
Cheers
Galego
We produced Computer-based training for a weapons system and the customer required all the source files, media, code, etc. in the name of life-cycle management.
As long as the changes do not have to be publicly published as the price of the 'free' (beer or speech) software, then I don't see what the problem is. The customer has the clearance (and probably more than the contractor...assuming the person asking here is a contractor). Seems to be a moot point from that angle...but I'm not an OSS/GPL/FSF/ETC expert.
Cheers,
Galego
CD's will be taken over by DVD
DVDs are already obsolete aren't they?
Since legacy stuff moves on and new stuff transitions in 100% right off the bat...he's probably right!
Galego
I work at a Defense Contractor...we have one of their older ones. Too breakable though IMHO...and you're right about their marketing angle. I want development and interface capabilities for maintenance and operations support.
But what I really want to know is...from how high can I drop it and at what velocity can it withstand a shot against a bulkhead?
And don't forget Aloha Friday! Oops! Forgot my flower shirt today...
Galego
You mean, like my Mac (clone actually) that I've had for going on five years. $600 worth of upgrades and and I'm still on par or ahead of people who are buying their third wintel box (or *upgrading*...which means swapping everything minus case/power supply).
Apple lost the OS war, but they're unique....and so what...maybe grandma doesn't edit digital video right now....but you give her something she can actually use (without chasing driver downloads for 2 days) to do it and she might!.
I paid for Quicken at one point (as part of the bundle I paid for on my system). As a consumer with a registered version of Quicken, I was entitled to a free upgrade when they realized that x-y versions weren't Y2K ready...and they had claimed they were....Again, I paid for Quicken.
If GPL, OSF, whatever other TLA-licensed (Three-Letter-Acronymn)code is paid for. As in If (!free beer) and (free speech)...then it should be liable. If I don't have to pay for it, then I want some liability.
If (free beer) and (free speech or !free speech) {
Then I really don't card too much about liability. Downloader beware!
}
When Code Red was disabling Qwest's DSL service all over and customers and Qwest were getting hosed (and I'm sure Qwest passed the hosing on down to its customers), I enjoyed the fact that my service provider didn't rely on M$'s pitiful-attempt-at-being-secure OS for operations. I had a Mac connected to Speakeasy...I was just fine! When vulnerability is that widespread among M$ OSes, and *n*x based systems are unaffected...there's a definite problem.
My personal solution? I don't use M$'s products...unless they're free (as in beer).
People who run a marathon do have something that sets them apart and Mac users have something special that keeps them coming back and gives them something to do...besides call 9 of their friends and ask if they know why they absolutely cannot defrag their drive or get their PC out of safe mode.
Those with Windows are just dealing with the same crap as everyone else...Big group...nothing exciting, no real community.
Can I tune in, encode and stream? Why? Cuz I potentially could! There's always some novel use for seemingly useless technology. And someone who reads /. will probably hack it to achieve such a feat!
Sorry for trollin'. I understand your point (even read the follow-up after the Submit button went off prematurely), but management won't do anything without simple numbers...even IT management...err...especially IT management. They can read numbers. The other like pictures!
Tchau gente
I just hope my 16-gray Platinum will be of use when some incarnation Frankified Be/Palm OS hits the market...
Galego
Those people in the World Trade Center, on the planes and at the Pentagon aren't necessarily responsible for any of the unfair-ities that 'provoked' this attack.
Your'e right...and I'll even admit that self-interest leads down the road to 'evil' at a certain point.
But! Would you say that all of the US' non-benevolent charity acts warranted such an outright evil attack on innocent citizens? (Unless everyone the now-dead and survivors can be implicated somehow in these heinous non-benevolent acts.) If so...then let's just go ahead and get out the nukes and be done with it!
At least some good was done. And if America is so bad...why don't you go try living somewhere else smart guy! Even better if you already do...
I work at a defense contractor and a group here actually purchased rights to software...I mean, source code, kit and kabootle. Thanks goodness, it's for logistics and not for something critical. I was discussing the purchase with another worker. We work directly for the purchaser. The deal was made behind closed doors and really only with the input of one tech guy...who had a fettish for this software... and also left here but wriggled in a partnership with his new company on the way out...Anyway, my cohort made the comment that our boss (the non-technical manager type) making this deal was like someone who's never mowed a lawn buying a lawnmower. Then he added..."And they don't have a lawn either". He was right on the money!
This is rampant, not just in web development houses. Unfortunately, Dilbert has already been written...or you'd have some funny comic strip on your hands that would make you lots of money...
Unfortunately, you're right...I don't see an end to the trend!
Cheers
Galego
I'm investigating some problems with document publication, single-source multiple input etc. where I work. SVG appears to have some of the solutions we're looking for. The customer is small enough that we can make the viewer a requirement. And what they do now is probably worse...but anyway. SVG was created out of needs/problems (and partly, like everything, because 'we can'). Those needs/problems mean a market and/or customers. And doing it cuz you can often creates a market (dot.bombs for example...fun while it lasted). Might be enough to carry it, might not be enough....I know I plan on giving it a shot to try and solve our problems. The fact that it's a spec helps me sell it as a solution.
But on another note...Adobe's download seems to be
Thanks,
Galego
Now they smell the legal bait...they're gonna go for it all! Sheesh!!
Galego
Easy way out of my year contract.
Galego
Now...Speakeasy's billing is only a half-step ahead. They were trying to bill me for someone else's missed appointments...and in general have just not been too bright. So...will someone else pick up Covad's ball? Will it actually go through Qwest now? Accchhhhhhkkkkkk!!!! NO!!!!
Galego
And now folks at MSNBC are now impersonating you as well...isn't that great!
Who the hell is this 'source' person anyway!?!?!? He's doing a great job of helping the whole data security thing, aren't he?
Galego
Still don't know if it deserves black-listing, but what they were doing was definitely not best practices. Was there any contact, reccomendation given before the blackholin'?
My favorite though..is people who get on lists and then send (and reply with the whole digest quoted) saying "Take me off this list"...and reply the same way 5 times a day. So, yeah...I agree Opt-in is a good thing.
Cheers,
Galego
And what list was this? I receive THE EDGE newsletter...I elected to. You can elect to receive it when you download extensions, trials, etc. I didn't receive it until I told them OK (after a few downloads). So what list/infraction are you referring to?
In addition, I have a yahoo account or two that I use for such lists...And macromedia was the first company I gave (used for an account) a particular address to, and I have seen no increased traffic to that account as a result.
For what those facts are worth...
Galego