Well, I'm not against credits per se, even if I've been on their side on this rather aggressively. They have their place, and this might not be it... or it might be, it depends.
But I am against people that are immediately starting to yell murder and death about removal of ads, I think that they are overreacting, and even if you disagree with that, they won't get anything done with flaming. Stay cool, folks, and express your opinion to RH nicely, and explain it too. If you want them to listen, that is.
Anyway, actually that "unified about:redhat for unified desktop" window could be rather good compromise, even if that too started being overly sarcastic... not the described gigantic horrible list window, but maybe something small saying that redhat desktop is a composite work combined from parts of many different projects, no names here, yet, but a hyperlink to web page or local document (like about: mozilla) where would be more detailed explanation, and contact info for all of those.
Gnome is a good chunk of the Red Hat desktop. OO is a good chunk. Mozilla is a good chunk. XFree86 is a DAMN BIG chunk. Linux kernel and GNU-projects are damn big chunks too.
And no, I don't happen to get slightest inkling why KDE developers should get some special advertisement that other projects that happen to be part of Red Hat Linux distribution don't.
And most certaily don't happen to get how on Earth could anybody be insulted by _their_ project of all those dozens not being uplifted to sit on right side of God, of course being most importand and only one deserving an about box.
Maybe they should put an checkbox somewhere for those people that are somehow insulted that says "insert about-dialogs" which would result in "about: redhat" in every application and would result in about kilometer long listing of all projects possibly available. Would that make you happy? Or is it only that KDE must get attention where others don't really matter.
You still don't understand the main point. This whole unified UI thing, it's not targeted for you, nor me. Or for the whole slashdot crowd.
It's for the damn normal people, newbies, who redhat wishes would use their product rather than m$ windows.
They don't want to think about anything like "choice of desktop", or two sets of default applications, they don't want to know ANYTHING at all about gnome, or kde. They want ONE SET, and go on happily using redhat default set without slightest worries or interests at all about whether app they are currently using is something called KDE app or maybe gnome app, or maybe it's product of neither project but independent work.
So RH puts in different software, they have to make choices, they take what they think is best, no matter which package it belongs to, they make 'em all look same so user doesn't have to give a crap about it either.
Those of us who know enought to care about this just CHANGE THOSE DEFAULT SETTINGS, insert their own favourite apps into quick launch bars and use kde or gnome like always before. That might take about five minutes, after the install so what the hell is the big deal here?
Statements like that without proof, or even explanation are very much like FUD. I don't know why bero would do that, he's been very reasonable person, but if he wants to be taken seriously, then he really should explain his opinions, especially one as radical and negative as this, instead of just blurting them out.
If you'd just please undestand that RedHat _did not_ remove author credits, nor license information.
What they did remove was general ad about KDE project. Which is all fine for me, 'cause they are not using the whole KDE they shouldn't be advertising it either, it would just confuse users if they thought they were running KDE when they were really using RedHat's combination desktop, they might even report moz/gnome app/oo bugs to kde project if they thought all things in desktop are from same source.
The parts of it they are using have the "about: specific software" screens intact... like they should.
For christs sake, those are BUGS. Ever heard of 'em? And null is beta-version! It's supposed to have bugs. Even if some of them are still in 8.0, RH x.0 releases usually do have bugs.
Having bugs in your software, even when those bugs result from your own modification (which aims to make both KDE and Gnome better, and which happens to be point of open source software, mind you) is not the same thing as deliberately crippling something. Please, people get a clue.
So if this is all there is about it, then people yelling about crippleware are plain and simply FUDing, well, nothing new here, guessed that a long ago when the noise first started.
THEY ARE including all those. It's just that they are not on the default menus or used by default.
And that's exactly what their users want. It may be hard for power-user to believe that someone wouldn't want multiple choises, but newbie is damn sure to be VERY confused if there is billion different text editors, web browsers, file managers, you name it.
Whole point of being consistent is that those apps stay the same, all the time. They just can't suddenly be totally different. ONE SET OF DEFAULT APPS across both desktops is necessary.
If you don't like it, then you know enough of it to change the default settings, and add them to menus. Stop whining about this, look at it from bigger perspective instead of that narrow-minded "help! they're destroying my favorite desktop environment!". If you want to see common people use linux on their desktops someday, this is a step in right direction.
Of course it would be better if KDE and Gnome folks would work towards compatibility together, but since you seem to rather concentrate on your eternal and stupid war against each other, someone else had to do it. That someone is RH.
A newbie using RH doesn't even know, and most certainly doesn't want to know that there is something called KDE, under the hood and same goes for Gnome. That's the whole point of this modification, and it can't be that hard to understand. Why don't you people use your brains, if you have 'em?
Newbies are using RedHat, with no idea about different desktop environments and if they see something is broken, they think RH is broken. NOT KDE and NOT Gnome, they can't think anything about those if they don't even know they exist.
It isn't even crippled. Nobody can seriously think that changing a damn browser in MENUS is crippling something. Konqueror is still there, not that anyone would want to use it, it's just not in your default menu.
You call a consistent crash within five to ten minutes after launch (as has been reported in other comments in this sid) "little crashing"?
Oh, no, I most certainly dont. Dunno about other people and their comments, but I remember quite well playing that thing for hours and hours continuosly without stopping to do anything... sleeping? food? what do those words mean?
Now you can't quite do that if it doesn't even stay up for 10 minutes, right? Morrowind did crash quite a bit, but NWN was quite stable. Here. On this machine.
That's one of the flaws in PC, different systems and drivers produce different results... but for me, little tweakin' to get things right doesn't matter if it's rewarded in the end with a good game.
What can you really except? PC vs. Consoles war is doomed to be eternal and pointless, there is nothing factual and real to argue about. Because in the end it's not about the machines or their strengths and weaknesses. No, it's the games, and those could well be the very definition of the phrase "matter of taste".
Maybe I happen to like NWN? Even if it sometimes crashes. Little crashing is way better than no game at all. You know there ain't no console version of NWN, do you? Nor BG2, or Torment, or Fallouts, or any good RTS, or... the list goes on. What if I prefer them to latest and finest FF XI and other mass-market console games? Well, I'll tell you what. I'm going to play 'em. And on my PC, that is.
And all the other games I happen to like that are not available on crappy consoles and are never going to be.
You and other console freaks can go play your brainless little console action if you want, but please don't try to claim that it's perfect for everyone. Because it isn't. It has always been, and will always be _matter of taste_ and you can't be right or wrong about those.
Real RPG's are all about people, and are social things on their own weird way. With CRPG:s that requires something like a chatroom.
What good is (massively) multi-player game if all you get from it is going all by yourself hacking AI-monsters just like you do in single-plaayer game and not interacting or talking with other players?
And if consoles become PC's, then how can anyone claim that consoles won? They've most certainly lost if there are no more consoles, because they've all morphed into full fledged computers.
I wouldn't touch X-Box or PS2 with a ten-foot pole, though, no matter how good they are, until there is going to be some good games for them. And that's not going to happen (and you can keep your suggestions, I'm the only person who can decide what is a good game for me). Console games are all about mass market, niche titles just don't cut it.
How does QDR work? DDR is reasonably easy to understand, just read both rising and falling edge of clock pulse and synch your transfer to that, but how the hell can you get more than two on digital system, when there are only those two edges on click?
"Many times faster" is NOT TRUE. For most apps, speed difference is maybe few percents. If even that, and unless you never update, even that very little amount of time the small speed difference may win is certainly more than lost in huge amount of time it takes for you to compile whole distribution.
Most, if not all, new drives have got some sort of system that is monitoring quality of burn speed at the fly. If things are starting to look bad, it automatically drops recording speed to the level where there are no more problems.
Seems to work, too, I just got myself a nice 40x LG, and it does detect that part after 70 minutes of my that's write media just SUCKS and dropped the speed - result, perfectly readable cd at avg of about 29x (32x write). Oh, and that media is 16x or 12x rated.
("that's shite" I used to call them. When burned with the old 20x10x40 acer... well, anything over 8x would result in corrupt data)
Do have you enabled the Quick Launch feature of moz? It starts just as fast as IE... takes a bit of memory, but if launch times are important, I'd say its worth it.
We have the wealth right now. We have the ability (technology) right now. And we've had those for decades now. That is, for off this planet stuff, though maybe not off of solar system.
What we don't have, is will, and so we end up using that ability and wealth to other things. Like perfecting devices for killing each other. Well... shit happens.
Or is there a "dictionary", copy of periodic table, with atom weights and other relevant information, for example. And maybe some illustrations of most common molecules for "tip".
Horror. NWN may have its bad areas, but comparing these two... how can ANYONE, even in theory, enjoy the sugar coated clickfest that is DS? It's got neat graphics, but you don't even have time to admire the cool scenery, when you can't take ONE DAMN STEP forward without being in the middle of yet another swarm of stupid monsters.
NWN is a good game, but if someone wants to try another CRPG, I suggest Morrowind. (DS doesn't even fit into the category, it's the very definition of hack&slash, even diablo isn't that bad compared to it...)
Autoupdater is a different binary, and it doesn't execute on its own, no need to "keep your network connection unplugged" if you are using only the client.
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It's not like it's going to grow a legs and walk out of the damn mountain even if something happens to the containers. That's why they though long before choosing a place, and didn't just throw those containers into the next junkyard.
The freaking mountain is from _anything_. And after even that "short" time the stuff is not very radioactive any more, and most of that little is alpha radiation. Piece of _PAPER_ is enough to stop that, so no harm done unless you go and eat some of it, or grind it to dust and try to inhale that.
After some time, it's more dangerous because it has lots of heavy metals, not because its nuclear waste.
Besides our descendants may just as well absolutely LOVE us for leaving them a good pile of energy. It's not like that "waste" is drained of all potential, it's just not economically feasible to reprocess it at the moment, but things change. If fusion doesn't for some reason take off just yet, and at some point most of easy uranium is mined, that junk is going to be a gold mine.
You don't play your pen and paper RPG with random assholes collected from the town, either, do you? So why would you do that with NWN? Play with someone you already know, or do a bit searching for a decent adventurer group, no need to accept any random l337-kiddie.
There's got to be some good players in the world, I'd think good DM's are quite a bit harder to find.
Who on Earth would _want_ to curse themselves with an 15k monster in home machine?
I mean, damn it, even the current 5400 and 7200rpm IDE-drives overheat and cook themselves. That's why they all seem to suck nowadays.
10k drive would be even hotter, and 15k... don't want to even think about it. There's gotta be another way to raise the damn speeds, if this method is going to mean that those low-end HD's wont last a week without some serious extra cooling.
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Well, I'm not against credits per se, even if I've been on their side on this rather aggressively. They have their place, and this might not be it... or it might be, it depends.
But I am against people that are immediately starting to yell murder and death about removal of ads, I think that they are overreacting, and even if you disagree with that, they won't get anything done with flaming. Stay cool, folks, and express your opinion to RH nicely, and explain it too. If you want them to listen, that is.
Anyway, actually that "unified about:redhat for unified desktop" window could be rather good compromise, even if that too started being overly sarcastic... not the described gigantic horrible list window, but maybe something small saying that redhat desktop is a composite work combined from parts of many different projects, no names here, yet, but a hyperlink to web page or local document (like about: mozilla) where would be more detailed explanation, and contact info for all of those.
Bit late for that, though... well, maybe for 8.1.
Gnome is a good chunk of the Red Hat desktop. OO is a good chunk. Mozilla is a good chunk. XFree86 is a DAMN BIG chunk. Linux kernel and GNU-projects are damn big chunks too.
And no, I don't happen to get slightest inkling why KDE developers should get some special advertisement that other projects that happen to be part of Red Hat Linux distribution don't.
And most certaily don't happen to get how on Earth could anybody be insulted by _their_ project of all those dozens not being uplifted to sit on right side of God, of course being most importand and only one deserving an about box.
Maybe they should put an checkbox somewhere for those people that are somehow insulted that says "insert about-dialogs" which would result in "about: redhat" in every application and would result in about kilometer long listing of all projects possibly available. Would that make you happy? Or is it only that KDE must get attention where others don't really matter.
You still don't understand the main point. This whole unified UI thing, it's not targeted for you, nor me. Or for the whole slashdot crowd.
It's for the damn normal people, newbies, who redhat wishes would use their product rather than m$ windows.
They don't want to think about anything like "choice of desktop", or two sets of default applications, they don't want to know ANYTHING at all about gnome, or kde. They want ONE SET, and go on happily using redhat default set without slightest worries or interests at all about whether app they are currently using is something called KDE app or maybe gnome app, or maybe it's product of neither project but independent work.
So RH puts in different software, they have to make choices, they take what they think is best, no matter which package it belongs to, they make 'em all look same so user doesn't have to give a crap about it either.
Those of us who know enought to care about this just CHANGE THOSE DEFAULT SETTINGS, insert their own favourite apps into quick launch bars and use kde or gnome like always before. That might take about five minutes, after the install so what the hell is the big deal here?
Then he should have said why he used the word.
Statements like that without proof, or even explanation are very much like FUD. I don't know why bero would do that, he's been very reasonable person, but if he wants to be taken seriously, then he really should explain his opinions, especially one as radical and negative as this, instead of just blurting them out.
If you'd just please undestand that RedHat _did not_ remove author credits, nor license information.
What they did remove was general ad about KDE project. Which is all fine for me, 'cause they are not using the whole KDE they shouldn't be advertising it either, it would just confuse users if they thought they were running KDE when they were really using RedHat's combination desktop, they might even report moz/gnome app/oo bugs to kde project if they thought all things in desktop are from same source.
The parts of it they are using have the "about: specific software" screens intact... like they should.
For christs sake, those are BUGS. Ever heard of 'em? And null is beta-version! It's supposed to have bugs. Even if some of them are still in 8.0, RH x.0 releases usually do have bugs.
Having bugs in your software, even when those bugs result from your own modification (which aims to make both KDE and Gnome better, and which happens to be point of open source software, mind you) is not the same thing as deliberately crippling something. Please, people get a clue.
So if this is all there is about it, then people yelling about crippleware are plain and simply FUDing, well, nothing new here, guessed that a long ago when the noise first started.
THEY ARE including all those. It's just that they are not on the default menus or used by default.
And that's exactly what their users want. It may be hard for power-user to believe that someone wouldn't want multiple choises, but newbie is damn sure to be VERY confused if there is billion different text editors, web browsers, file managers, you name it.
Whole point of being consistent is that those apps stay the same, all the time. They just can't suddenly be totally different. ONE SET OF DEFAULT APPS across both desktops is necessary.
If you don't like it, then you know enough of it to change the default settings, and add them to menus. Stop whining about this, look at it from bigger perspective instead of that narrow-minded "help! they're destroying my favorite desktop environment!". If you want to see common people use linux on their desktops someday, this is a step in right direction.
Of course it would be better if KDE and Gnome folks would work towards compatibility together, but since you seem to rather concentrate on your eternal and stupid war against each other, someone else had to do it. That someone is RH.
A newbie using RH doesn't even know, and most certainly doesn't want to know that there is something called KDE, under the hood and same goes for Gnome. That's the whole point of this modification, and it can't be that hard to understand. Why don't you people use your brains, if you have 'em?
Newbies are using RedHat, with no idea about different desktop environments and if they see something is broken, they think RH is broken. NOT KDE and NOT Gnome, they can't think anything about those if they don't even know they exist.
It isn't even crippled. Nobody can seriously think that changing a damn browser in MENUS is crippling something. Konqueror is still there, not that anyone would want to use it, it's just not in your default menu.
You call a consistent crash within five to ten minutes after launch (as has been reported in other comments in this sid) "little crashing"?
... but for me, little tweakin' to get things right doesn't matter if it's rewarded in the end with a good game.
Oh, no, I most certainly dont. Dunno about other people and their comments, but I remember quite well playing that thing for hours and hours continuosly without stopping to do anything... sleeping? food? what do those words mean?
Now you can't quite do that if it doesn't even stay up for 10 minutes, right? Morrowind did crash quite a bit, but NWN was quite stable. Here. On this machine.
That's one of the flaws in PC, different systems and drivers produce different results
What can you really except? PC vs. Consoles war is doomed to be eternal and pointless, there is nothing factual and real to argue about. Because in the end it's not about the machines or their strengths and weaknesses. No, it's the games, and those could well be the very definition of the phrase "matter of taste".
Maybe I happen to like NWN? Even if it sometimes crashes. Little crashing is way better than no game at all. You know there ain't no console version of NWN, do you? Nor BG2, or Torment, or Fallouts, or any good RTS, or... the list goes on. What if I prefer them to latest and finest FF XI and other mass-market console games? Well, I'll tell you what. I'm going to play 'em. And on my PC, that is.
And all the other games I happen to like that are not available on crappy consoles and are never going to be.
You and other console freaks can go play your brainless little console action if you want, but please don't try to claim that it's perfect for everyone. Because it isn't. It has always been, and will always be _matter of taste_ and you can't be right or wrong about those.
They did want to create an RPG.
Real RPG's are all about people, and are social things on their own weird way. With CRPG:s that requires something like a chatroom.
What good is (massively) multi-player game if all you get from it is going all by yourself hacking AI-monsters just like you do in single-plaayer game and not interacting or talking with other players?
And if consoles become PC's, then how can anyone claim that consoles won? They've most certainly lost if there are no more consoles, because they've all morphed into full fledged computers.
I wouldn't touch X-Box or PS2 with a ten-foot pole, though, no matter how good they are, until there is going to be some good games for them. And that's not going to happen (and you can keep your suggestions, I'm the only person who can decide what is a good game for me). Console games are all about mass market, niche titles just don't cut it.
How does QDR work? DDR is reasonably easy to understand, just read both rising and falling edge of clock pulse and synch your transfer to that, but how the hell can you get more than two on digital system, when there are only those two edges on click?
"Many times faster" is NOT TRUE. For most apps, speed difference is maybe few percents. If even that, and unless you never update, even that very little amount of time the small speed difference may win is certainly more than lost in huge amount of time it takes for you to compile whole distribution.
Most, if not all, new drives have got some sort of system that is monitoring quality of burn speed at the fly. If things are starting to look bad, it automatically drops recording speed to the level where there are no more problems.
Seems to work, too, I just got myself a nice 40x LG, and it does detect that part after 70 minutes of my that's write media just SUCKS and dropped the speed - result, perfectly readable cd at avg of about 29x (32x write). Oh, and that media is 16x or 12x rated.
("that's shite" I used to call them. When burned with the old 20x10x40 acer... well, anything over 8x would result in corrupt data)
Do have you enabled the Quick Launch feature of moz? It starts just as fast as IE... takes a bit of memory, but if launch times are important, I'd say its worth it.
Money is physical property? Maybe fifty years ago... What is money in bank account, or cash card if not just bits?
We have the wealth right now. We have the ability (technology) right now. And we've had those for decades now. That is, for off this planet stuff, though maybe not off of solar system.
What we don't have, is will, and so we end up using that ability and wealth to other things. Like perfecting devices for killing each other. Well... shit happens.
Did they really just use letters to mark atoms?
Or is there a "dictionary", copy of periodic table, with atom weights and other relevant information, for example. And maybe some illustrations of most common molecules for "tip".
That depends on how much money one would be willing to pour into the "tag".
... yeah, the another posters "never" seems to be about right.
At the current budget
Dungeon Siege?
Horror. NWN may have its bad areas, but comparing these two... how can ANYONE, even in theory, enjoy the sugar coated clickfest that is DS? It's got neat graphics, but you don't even have time to admire the cool scenery, when you can't take ONE DAMN STEP forward without being in the middle of yet another swarm of stupid monsters.
NWN is a good game, but if someone wants to try another CRPG, I suggest Morrowind. (DS doesn't even fit into the category, it's the very definition of hack&slash, even diablo isn't that bad compared to it...)
Autoupdater is a different binary, and it doesn't execute on its own, no need to "keep your network connection unplugged" if you are using only the client.
It's not like it's going to grow a legs and walk out of the damn mountain even if something happens to the containers. That's why they though long before choosing a place, and didn't just throw those containers into the next junkyard.
The freaking mountain is from _anything_. And after even that "short" time the stuff is not very radioactive any more, and most of that little is alpha radiation. Piece of _PAPER_ is enough to stop that, so no harm done unless you go and eat some of it, or grind it to dust and try to inhale that.
After some time, it's more dangerous because it has lots of heavy metals, not because its nuclear waste.
Besides our descendants may just as well absolutely LOVE us for leaving them a good pile of energy. It's not like that "waste" is drained of all potential, it's just not economically feasible to reprocess it at the moment, but things change. If fusion doesn't for some reason take off just yet, and at some point most of easy uranium is mined, that junk is going to be a gold mine.
Hey, it's and RPG.
You don't play your pen and paper RPG with random assholes collected from the town, either, do you?
So why would you do that with NWN? Play with someone you already know, or do a bit searching for a decent adventurer group, no need to accept any random l337-kiddie.
There's got to be some good players in the world, I'd think good DM's are quite a bit harder to find.
Who on Earth would _want_ to curse themselves with an 15k monster in home machine?
... don't want to even think about it. There's gotta be another way to raise the damn speeds, if this method is going to mean that those low-end HD's wont last a week without some serious extra cooling.
I mean, damn it, even the current 5400 and 7200rpm IDE-drives overheat and cook themselves. That's why they all seem to suck nowadays.
10k drive would be even hotter, and 15k