However, from what I can see, either the fedora team haven't been told the whole story and are grumpy about it, or the fedora team have some autonomy and RH don't trust them not to spill the beans, making fedora purse lipped about the lack of trust.
Yes, they both dip from the same well, but to some extent they must be separate organisations.
I'm a relative newcomer to open source politics and whats more, I know very little beyond the basics about Red Hat/Fedora, but is it possible Fedora is re-keying all their repos because they no longer trust the Red Hat ones? Losing a signing key might be the reason, but coming so soon after Red Hat's security breach, I don't think so.
Just looking at the body language here, I think Fedora is more grumpy about the way Red Hat is dealing with this than they are letting on.
'Course I could be completely wrong, but thats what it reads like to me.
I have just gone through pretty much this scenario myself. I wanted a web development server which I could access from out and about with my laptop and I wanted to be able to access the machine using ssh.
First I tried 'sudo tasksel install lamp' which did its thing, but somehow failed completely to get php working. Then I decided I would give xampp a go and went down the 'sudo tasksel'/remove lamp selection/hit ok/find ubuntu bug which removes entire gnome desktop as well as lampp/report bug while reinstalling gnome' route.
I then installed xampp and apart from having to do some fiddling to get webmin to realise it was there, the process couldn't have gone any smoother. Forward the ports on the router, open an account on dyndns and install the ip notifier thingy and I'm happily working away on my home linux box using putty and webmin. Also managed to scare my wife by playing some iron maiden tracks at home when I was at work, which was a bit of fun.
In short, the guys at apachefriends have a really good little dev server system there.
Not many truer words spoken to be honest. When I think of RMS, I tend to get pictures in my head of hippies in the seventies, with flowers and peace signs and so on. When I think of Torvalds, I think of Lee Marvin in The Dirty Dozen.
I admire RMS because he sticks to his guns about his ideals, but Torvalds is the project leader with the practicality to get things done.
That said, if Torvalds dies, that isn't the end of Linux, although it would be a hell of a shakeup.
The only thing that could, maybe, big "MAYBE", be better, is if there were more than one trusted maintainer of Linus' stature that worked completely independent of Linus himself.
I think what BPPG was getting at is that its probably a good idea that the code in Linus' tree can't just be randomly changed by anyone, like the content on wikipedia can be.
Basically he was saying exactly what you said, but with less words, using a language device called a metaphor. Being literal is good, but using metaphors sometimes means you can convey meaning with elegant simplicity.
What the hell am I doing, I'm replying to an AC?
To be fair though, most if not all of that price hike is down to the greedy bloodsucking bastard government which seems to think a country should be run at a profit, with the citizens being the customers, rather than running the essential services the people require and taking no more than what it costs to do so.
I've seen that, it is basically an Elonex One, which the Car Phone Warehouse people tried to tell me has been respecified for them. So really what that means is that its an Elonex One with a new, better performing sticker on it.
Still, I'm not sure where you are going to get a subnotebook with a ten inch screen for £220.
Thats insane. If there is a difference, it is because people are different. Not better or worse, but different.
In order to find a solution to a problem, you first have to be aware that a problem exists. Refusing to acknowledge the problem because the act of acknowledgment might offend some people's sensibilities is working only to perpetuate the problem, it isn't solving it.
Science isn't about political opinions, it is about observable and repeatable tests which give us information about our environment. If someone discovers a fact which isn't palatable, then swallow your distaste and start working on a solution which changes the situation.
Don't smother the people who happen to isolate facts which you find distasteful.
What you are suggesting is that if an established test doesn't provide statistical results which align with your sensibilities, then the established test is broken. Wrong. Your mode of thinking is wrong and you need to fix it.
Dude, FoxConn specifically says they don't support Linux. So "targetting" and "breaking" Linux don't enter into it. Their programmers were too stupid to get ACPI (and whatever else) to work correctly in Linux, so they elected not to support Linux rather than throw more money at the problems in their BIOS. This is just the 80-20 rule in action.
Doesn't work like that. ACPI has a standard and if they simply coded to the standard, they wouldn't have this problem. From what the OP has shown, they didn't do that. In addition, how long did it take the originator to fix it? I call foul here.
The person who discovered the problem seemed to be able to fix it fairly quickly, not by writing a specific linux table, but by pointing to the (working) windows tables. They coded to the standard for windows and actively broke linux. Game over.
They have the right to not support and explicitly break any OS they like and they must then live with the consequences.
And thats what they have done. This story has been/.ed, dugg, reddit, ubuntu forumed and I don't know what else. Not many people who have read this story are going to buy one of this manufacturers boards again. Welcome to the consequences.
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I realise that.
However, from what I can see, either the fedora team haven't been told the whole story and are grumpy about it, or the fedora team have some autonomy and RH don't trust them not to spill the beans, making fedora purse lipped about the lack of trust.
Yes, they both dip from the same well, but to some extent they must be separate organisations.
I'm a relative newcomer to open source politics and whats more, I know very little beyond the basics about Red Hat/Fedora, but is it possible Fedora is re-keying all their repos because they no longer trust the Red Hat ones? Losing a signing key might be the reason, but coming so soon after Red Hat's security breach, I don't think so.
Just looking at the body language here, I think Fedora is more grumpy about the way Red Hat is dealing with this than they are letting on.
'Course I could be completely wrong, but thats what it reads like to me.
I reckon we should start working with Terry Pratchet's calendar. I really like the idea of the Year of the Fruitbat.
No just the once. On a Wednesday.
What happens when we get to B again? Broken Beaver?
I have just gone through pretty much this scenario myself. I wanted a web development server which I could access from out and about with my laptop and I wanted to be able to access the machine using ssh.
First I tried 'sudo tasksel install lamp' which did its thing, but somehow failed completely to get php working. Then I decided I would give xampp a go and went down the 'sudo tasksel'/remove lamp selection/hit ok/find ubuntu bug which removes entire gnome desktop as well as lampp/report bug while reinstalling gnome' route.
I then installed xampp and apart from having to do some fiddling to get webmin to realise it was there, the process couldn't have gone any smoother. Forward the ports on the router, open an account on dyndns and install the ip notifier thingy and I'm happily working away on my home linux box using putty and webmin. Also managed to scare my wife by playing some iron maiden tracks at home when I was at work, which was a bit of fun.
In short, the guys at apachefriends have a really good little dev server system there.
Not many truer words spoken to be honest. When I think of RMS, I tend to get pictures in my head of hippies in the seventies, with flowers and peace signs and so on. When I think of Torvalds, I think of Lee Marvin in The Dirty Dozen.
I admire RMS because he sticks to his guns about his ideals, but Torvalds is the project leader with the practicality to get things done.
That said, if Torvalds dies, that isn't the end of Linux, although it would be a hell of a shakeup.
Does it give you an $80 deduction?
The only thing that could, maybe, big "MAYBE", be better, is if there were more than one trusted maintainer of Linus' stature that worked completely independent of Linus himself.
RMS?
I think what BPPG was getting at is that its probably a good idea that the code in Linus' tree can't just be randomly changed by anyone, like the content on wikipedia can be. Basically he was saying exactly what you said, but with less words, using a language device called a metaphor. Being literal is good, but using metaphors sometimes means you can convey meaning with elegant simplicity. What the hell am I doing, I'm replying to an AC?
The government, not just the US but any government, cannot be trusted, simply because they're just a bunch of people with an agenda.
Fixed that for ya.
To be fair though, most if not all of that price hike is down to the greedy bloodsucking bastard government which seems to think a country should be run at a profit, with the citizens being the customers, rather than running the essential services the people require and taking no more than what it costs to do so.
I've seen that, it is basically an Elonex One, which the Car Phone Warehouse people tried to tell me has been respecified for them. So really what that means is that its an Elonex One with a new, better performing sticker on it.
Still, I'm not sure where you are going to get a subnotebook with a ten inch screen for £220.
Thats insane. If there is a difference, it is because people are different. Not better or worse, but different.
In order to find a solution to a problem, you first have to be aware that a problem exists. Refusing to acknowledge the problem because the act of acknowledgment might offend some people's sensibilities is working only to perpetuate the problem, it isn't solving it.
Science isn't about political opinions, it is about observable and repeatable tests which give us information about our environment. If someone discovers a fact which isn't palatable, then swallow your distaste and start working on a solution which changes the situation.
Don't smother the people who happen to isolate facts which you find distasteful.
What you are suggesting is that if an established test doesn't provide statistical results which align with your sensibilities, then the established test is broken. Wrong. Your mode of thinking is wrong and you need to fix it.
Really? Did you read the discussion page? I'd be interested to see how that works as a consensus.
Not only that but it would probably run crysis.
Oh dear. You really are new here aren't you? Thats the comment number you are pointing to. The 'you are obviously new here' guy was an AC.
Nah. man finger(6) is your next mission.
Dude, FoxConn specifically says they don't support Linux. So "targetting" and "breaking" Linux don't enter into it. Their programmers were too stupid to get ACPI (and whatever else) to work correctly in Linux, so they elected not to support Linux rather than throw more money at the problems in their BIOS. This is just the 80-20 rule in action.
Doesn't work like that. ACPI has a standard and if they simply coded to the standard, they wouldn't have this problem. From what the OP has shown, they didn't do that. In addition, how long did it take the originator to fix it? I call foul here.
The person who discovered the problem seemed to be able to fix it fairly quickly, not by writing a specific linux table, but by pointing to the (working) windows tables. They coded to the standard for windows and actively broke linux. Game over.
They have the right to not support and explicitly break any OS they like and they must then live with the consequences.
And thats what they have done. This story has been /.ed, dugg, reddit, ubuntu forumed and I don't know what else. Not many people who have read this story are going to buy one of this manufacturers boards again. Welcome to the consequences.
Glad I could help!
Do you know whats even more irritating than someone who constantly does the whole M$ thing?
The lifeless peanut who follows him around on slashdot telling everyone about it.
...just like zorro
uhh...I'm sure there is a free Virtual box you can use, whats it called again? Oh yeah, thats it, Virtual Box!
It even runs linux!
I have seen my system think that I was off the road when driving at high altitude.
Your car can FLY?