> So sayeth the guy whose listed homepage appears to have been done [...] by children in 1995. [Misquote, but you get the point]
Y'know, I don't respond to a whole lot of trolls, but just for kicks, I decided to look at the mentioned web page. I actually said, out loud, "Oh my God." And I'm an atheist. So, I guess I haven't responded to a troll, but... Ye hast spoken true. That is some blindingly awful design (likes blue, eh?). Oh well, guess it's a specialty site, not something I'd normally go to, not my problem.
> It doesn't seem ridiculous to me to try and help you from hurting yourself. Is it against your moral code to try to stop your friend from using crack?
Yes, it is. It is NOT against my moral code (in favor of it, actually) to tell them it's a stupid idea, but I am not going to steal the crackpipe from their hand because it is my opinion that it's a bad idea. If they are informed and understand it while sober, but still choose to continue using it, who the heck am I to tell them they cannot do something to themselves?
Of course, this would change if they hurt someone trying to obtain it. Then, friend or not, they're getting their ass kicked.
> If knowingly directing vast amounts of traffic at a site from many sources, with the reasonably predictable result being that site's failure, isn't a DDoS attack, what is?
It's a traffic overload. And that may be reasonable or not. This was a site on a University campus, no? (I've forgotten by this time, but believe it was) Is it unreasonable to expect a University to have sufficient bandwidth?
Another big difference is that a DDoS has the SOLE purpose of bringing a site down, nothing more. The purpose of linking to a site on SlashDot is to give people some information in which they might be interested, so that they don't have to go find it themselves, or worse yet, miss it altogether.
> It doesn't take a genius to spot that some servers are better able to handle this than others, and which ones they are likely to be
So tell me, how many hits do you think burpadurpa-express.org.net can take before going down? It doesn't take a genius, no. It takes a mind reader (who can read the mind of a person who built the network & servers) or, what you would probably prefer, to check with the site owners before posting.
Unfortunately, most site owners would jump at getting that many hits, without realizing just HOW BAD it can get, so the same situation arises. Also, it adds extra steps of complexity in gettingn stories submitted -- is it the responsibility of the editors or the submitters to check this first? The editors are here to weed out what they think we want to see, not to divine for us which sites are insufficiently made.
> Deliberately slashdotting a site is no more ethical than
Of course, but THIS WAS NOT DELIBERATE. It was a bad decision (especially given the context of the post) to link to it. But, it was news, so they put the news story up there. It may have been wiser to not actually link to the site, but it would be leaving too much out to just not say what site it was. A lot of people probobly would have gone to it anyway, either by typing in the address & doing a google search. Of course, that way,/. gets away a bit, since it looks like more Google traffic instead of Slashdot traffic.
> You are still [...] ignoring the well-established and widely employed legal ideas of reasonable behaviour and fair expectation.
And you are still saying it is unreasonable behavior & unexpected to link to a web site, which is the entire purpose of the WWW. Links make a web.
I don't know, maybe our opinions on morals just differ too much to agree on anything. I guess that is what makes the world great, but it would be easier if everyone just agreed with me.;)
> you could well imagine the last commercial before election day was "VOTE FOR ME OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!"
Thanks, Mr. over-the-top, but your argument falls apart under any scrutiny -- such as reading it. At the point someone can get away with that, we have already lost the democratic process and we aren't voting anyway. Nice try, though.
> Selectively making voting easier for only a subset of the population is a bad idea in the first place,
Sort of, except Windows users are not exactly a "subset," they are the majority. And it's not like they are telling you that you can't vote at all.
Please be a bit more realistic, there really isn't anything to compare this to. Are you suggesting that IBrowse 1.0 for the Amiga should be supported as well? What about Netscape 2.3? Well, ideally, yeah, but then you take a big hit on potential security, which is the most important factor at the moment.
> the Democrats are afraid you'll elect the candidate
Man, you must be REALLY new here. Everyone wants more Karma, but to get karma you have to talk about the big, bad, republicans. If it's a joke about how the Reps "stole our election," it's funny, if it's a joke about the Dems, you are just trying to stir shit up & start a flame war, regardless of the humor or truth of the joke -- and your post was good on both counts.
> And that's the modern Republican party in a nutshell.
While the Democratic party whines to get their way, uses scare tactics to drum up votes, and has party officials bus people to polling stations, telling them how to vote for their guy.
The problem some people have is that this site is supposed to be a place for geeks to get news & information, not for someone to peddle his own wares. If someone else were to find your book, say "hey this book is f@#%ing great!" and then write a review, it would be different. Or, if you DO want to advertise, you can buy an ad on the site -- make/. a little money in the process.
Please keep in mind that this isn't really my opinion, although I understand it. I don't care; I'm not a subscriber, so I haven't paid anything to read this, so the editors can choose to post whatever they want -- it's their site, if I don't like it, I can go read Kuro5hin *shudder, yeah right*.
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> I have no guns, and I drive a 91 honda civic.. What does that mean?
You're a member of the Democratic Party?
> The teacher once told us [...]
> The class jock immediately said [...]
Come on... You expect us to believe that a JOCK could come up with a good retort that quick?
> So sayeth the guy whose listed homepage appears to have been done [...] by children in 1995. [Misquote, but you get the point]
Y'know, I don't respond to a whole lot of trolls, but just for kicks, I decided to look at the mentioned web page. I actually said, out loud, "Oh my God." And I'm an atheist. So, I guess I haven't responded to a troll, but... Ye hast spoken true. That is some blindingly awful design (likes blue, eh?). Oh well, guess it's a specialty site, not something I'd normally go to, not my problem.
> The "gravity" for the mice will be artificial gravity caused by spinning the spacecraft to generate centripetal accelerations
If only this was being done by Russians, then we could make a "In Soviet Russia" joke about the wheel turning the mice.
> It doesn't seem ridiculous to me to try and help you from hurting yourself. Is it against your moral code to try to stop your friend from using crack?
Yes, it is. It is NOT against my moral code (in favor of it, actually) to tell them it's a stupid idea, but I am not going to steal the crackpipe from their hand because it is my opinion that it's a bad idea. If they are informed and understand it while sober, but still choose to continue using it, who the heck am I to tell them they cannot do something to themselves?
Of course, this would change if they hurt someone trying to obtain it. Then, friend or not, they're getting their ass kicked.
> Kick'em while they're down
Nope, just when they're trolling.
> where is your counter proof? oh, you don't have any?
Easily translated to: "Hah, you have the same lack of proof as me -- I WIN!"
> reading at +5-only becomes just as bad as reading at -1 until enough moderators run through the _entire_ thread culling out the stupid.
How about if, starting out, your post score is Karma/10. Max Karma is 50, right?
> Early hiphop was heavily influenced by Kraftwerk
Awesome. Simply amazing. Go out & buy some today!
> It would have been cheaper for them to just provide 3 actual copies of the CD.
So, when that album is sold in the U.S., does the RIAA get their mandatory extortion fee on blank CDs?
> Target [...] doesn't lock their janitors in the building while they are working
Wait... How in the heck can a store "lock their janitors in the building," when that store is open 24 hours a day?
> If knowingly directing vast amounts of traffic at a site from many sources, with the reasonably predictable result being that site's failure, isn't a DDoS attack, what is?
/. gets away a bit, since it looks like more Google traffic instead of Slashdot traffic.
;)
It's a traffic overload. And that may be reasonable or not. This was a site on a University campus, no? (I've forgotten by this time, but believe it was) Is it unreasonable to expect a University to have sufficient bandwidth?
Another big difference is that a DDoS has the SOLE purpose of bringing a site down, nothing more. The purpose of linking to a site on SlashDot is to give people some information in which they might be interested, so that they don't have to go find it themselves, or worse yet, miss it altogether.
> It doesn't take a genius to spot that some servers are better able to handle this than others, and which ones they are likely to be
So tell me, how many hits do you think burpadurpa-express.org.net can take before going down? It doesn't take a genius, no. It takes a mind reader (who can read the mind of a person who built the network & servers) or, what you would probably prefer, to check with the site owners before posting.
Unfortunately, most site owners would jump at getting that many hits, without realizing just HOW BAD it can get, so the same situation arises. Also, it adds extra steps of complexity in gettingn stories submitted -- is it the responsibility of the editors or the submitters to check this first? The editors are here to weed out what they think we want to see, not to divine for us which sites are insufficiently made.
> Deliberately slashdotting a site is no more ethical than
Of course, but THIS WAS NOT DELIBERATE. It was a bad decision (especially given the context of the post) to link to it. But, it was news, so they put the news story up there. It may have been wiser to not actually link to the site, but it would be leaving too much out to just not say what site it was. A lot of people probobly would have gone to it anyway, either by typing in the address & doing a google search. Of course, that way,
> You are still [...] ignoring the well-established and widely employed legal ideas of reasonable behaviour and fair expectation.
And you are still saying it is unreasonable behavior & unexpected to link to a web site, which is the entire purpose of the WWW. Links make a web.
I don't know, maybe our opinions on morals just differ too much to agree on anything. I guess that is what makes the world great, but it would be easier if everyone just agreed with me.
> you could well imagine the last commercial before election day was "VOTE FOR ME OR I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU!"
Thanks, Mr. over-the-top, but your argument falls apart under any scrutiny -- such as reading it. At the point someone can get away with that, we have already lost the democratic process and we aren't voting anyway. Nice try, though.
> Selectively making voting easier for only a subset of the population is a bad idea in the first place,
Sort of, except Windows users are not exactly a "subset," they are the majority. And it's not like they are telling you that you can't vote at all.
Please be a bit more realistic, there really isn't anything to compare this to. Are you suggesting that IBrowse 1.0 for the Amiga should be supported as well? What about Netscape 2.3? Well, ideally, yeah, but then you take a big hit on potential security, which is the most important factor at the moment.
> the Democrats are afraid you'll elect the candidate
Man, you must be REALLY new here. Everyone wants more Karma, but to get karma you have to talk about the big, bad, republicans. If it's a joke about how the Reps "stole our election," it's funny, if it's a joke about the Dems, you are just trying to stir shit up & start a flame war, regardless of the humor or truth of the joke -- and your post was good on both counts.
(FYI, I am neither Rep or Dem)
> And that's the modern Republican party in a nutshell.
While the Democratic party whines to get their way, uses scare tactics to drum up votes, and has party officials bus people to polling stations, telling them how to vote for their guy.
Face it, both sides are equally immoral.
> I don't have the luxery to make a customized counter-rave & rant for you.
Good, because that's exactly what it would be, instead of a well-thought out response, as workindev took the time to create.
> if one has any sort of fealty to democratic principles then the creation of candidates who are nearly identical is a triumph of the process
What??? No way, it is an insult to the system. If all candidates are the same, then we really have no choice.
> And with that, the human race was forever limited to paper ballots and shoeboxes.
since it is the most reliable & easiest to implement to date.
Three cheers for common sense!
> If any one of them is not `correct', then the whole system is taken offline and fixed.
Umm, they have decided that they cannot ensure it is "correct," so "the whole system [was] taken offline and fixed." Where is the problem?
They take it down & people say it's because it can't be rigged.
If they left it up, people would say it's because it's easy to rig.
Internet voting decisions are a no-win situation.
The problem some people have is that this site is supposed to be a place for geeks to get news & information, not for someone to peddle his own wares. If someone else were to find your book, say "hey this book is f@#%ing great!" and then write a review, it would be different. Or, if you DO want to advertise, you can buy an ad on the site -- make /. a little money in the process.
Please keep in mind that this isn't really my opinion, although I understand it. I don't care; I'm not a subscriber, so I haven't paid anything to read this, so the editors can choose to post whatever they want -- it's their site, if I don't like it, I can go read Kuro5hin *shudder, yeah right*.
> Bonus points for using backslashes
He didn't... might want to get checked for dyslexia, pal.
> YOU'RE
YOUR A DICK. some people can't spell, get over it.
> Why don't you post a pic
/. without a MONITOR.
Or, better yet, look at the one you have in front of you, to get an idea. Or are you posting to
> but my own link is the best way to sum up how I wasted my Christmas bonus.
Must be a little bonus just for a small brass lantern...