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bazonkers writes "Searchenginelowdown.com reports that it appears that the Google logo yesterday (honoring Gaston Julia) linked to the Google image search results for the words 'julia fractal'. The resulting traffic generated from clicking on that 'featured logo' incapacitated the servers of the top-listed images, hosted at an Australian university. This more than inconvenienced the owners of that site, who had to move pages and ended up displaying this page instead."
Looks like no one has heard of /.
You guys are mean. First they the googled and now they get slashdoted....
Cheers,
RoadkillBunny
Oh beautiful!
Let's add slashdot to our list of sites DDOSing us!
Wow, you Slashdot Editors like kicking people while they're down, huh?
And while we're at it, why not make the file redirect to www.sco.com? Oh wait... that's been done.
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
...and this sort of thing is news on SLASHDOT???
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
I mean, really, use some common sense here...
- A
So if a Slashdotting is abbreviated as "/.ed", I guess this site was 100000000000000000... well you get the point.
Google just proved that they aren't in the content business, just the search business. When Google made a rare and somewhat nonsensical editorial comment in the form of their modified logo, many people clicked the logo to see where it lead, and where it lead to was a Google image search that yeilded interesting results, so people clicked the images in the hope for information about Gaston Julia...
Google should have written their own article explaining why they decided that Gaston Julia was worthy of being honored. Instead, they simply supplied a suggested search query and passed the curious users to sites who weren't expecting the rush... if Google had asked, I'm sure they would have been able to get an academic to write a decent page to satisfy the curious users, but Google seems to have underestimated the power they have...
leave it to slashdot to do it again today with monster truck force!!
I was just about to point out the same thing. Oh well... I think I'll go and reload the site a couple more times, just to rub it in.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
nuff' said
wonder why Google didn't react in time to link to its own cache instead?
Smooth.
Yikes! Gives a whole new meaning to the term "google bombing"
Now this fake site will get slashdotted so they will have to put up another website explaining that....
Imagine just how much money could Google make if they sold just a small ad on their home page on a 24-hour basis occasionally, maybe even limited to modifying the Google logo in an agreed upon way linked to a page on the sponsoring site. http://www.google.com has to be the most hit page on the planet right now, so such an ad would have awesome power and be able to command top dollar.
Google's clearly taking the high road by making their home page an ad-page zone. I wonder how long that's going to last after the IPO and by definition, profit-hungry interests (such as your 401k plan) get control of the company.
HAHA, maybe /. and G00GLE can do a tag team on them again. Can you feel that? Huh, Huh?
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Using Google?
Looking for images of quaternion fractals?
On the 3rd of February 2004, this page (or rather the page that was here) was swamped by requests and the server subsequentially failed. The reason was traced to Google introducing a fractal looking logo (see below), which when clicked, performed an image search for "julia" and "fractal". The two most interesting resulting images on the top row of the list were on this page (or rather the page that was here).
[Image used without permission from Google]
In order to get this server functional again, the pages that were here have been moved somewhere else. It shouldn't be too hard to find them if you really want to, do a Google search for "Quaternion fractal" or if you would like to create your own Quaternion fractals try POVRay.
Please note that this is not a criticism of Google but rather an interesting dimension to the power they wield. They have hundreds (thousands?) of servers worldwide that distribute their traffic load. If even a small percentage of that traffic is directed to a single server.....what chance does it have?
Questions: Should Google ask permission before potentially sending huge traffic loads to a single page/server? Should they regulate traffic to individual sites/pages by changing the order of the search results?
Happy searching!
Google giveth
and Google taketh away
Blessed is Google?
[Roger Bagula]
Sig? What sig?
Google should make every link go to Slashdot, and slashdot should make every link go to Google. (Though I fear many googlers that read slashdot would be scarred for life)
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So let's slash them after google had their way with them. It's like a super ddos without the mydoom variation... mydoom.google.slashdot
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Slashdotted??? We got GOOGLED!
Google want to stop the monopoly of Slashdot for the slashdot effect!
The server in question, by domain name at least, seems to indicate that Google's USA homepage was directing viewers on a path that led to a server in Australia. Just wondering... did any of the trans-oceanic network links show any visible spikes in traffic as a result of this event?
I'm a little surprised that this has never happened before, as they often have featured logos. I guess those fractals must have just looked too alluring, and people had to see them. Then again, i'm quite surprised that so many people click on the featured graphic, perhaps people who aren't familiar with Julia, and were interested in what the graphic meant?
The key difference here is that when something gets posted to Slashdot, people often have the ability to grab and post mirrors. Like this one, for instance.
(You're welcome.)
I'm sure others have already mentioned this, but I have to congratulate everyone. First Google, now slashdot. When will the pain end?
Dude, like.. first Google does it, now /. will totally, like, slashdot them.
No way!
Upon reading the article heading, my first thought was also "Oh great, now they're gonna get a whooping from slashdot as well!", but, of course, the first N-teen posts are all the same thing. So, "AOL!" to you all!
No fair, guys, April is almost 2 months away....
Yow! I'm supposed to have a plan?
Questions: Should Google ask permission before potentially sending huge traffic loads to a single page/server?
Maybe it should read "Slashdot" as opposed to "Google".
I wonder who generates more traffic, google or slashdot... Google has far more traffic, I'm certain, but Slashdotters travel very specific links.
What's more dangerous to your bandwidth - top link on a google doodle or a slashdotting?
"Adventure? Excitement? A Jedi craves not these things."
The article on Gaston Julia got a LOT of edits in the last two days.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
That website which google knocked down was using illegal unregistered SCO Code. It better pay its fee. I mean thats just immoral, SCO has proof
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Let's see who wins.
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and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
"Simple words such as 'better' or 'faster' are best used by simpletons. Life [...] is more complicated." - TMC
"This more than inconvenienced the owners of that site, who had to move pages and ended up displaying this page instead."
Which was then of course immediately slashdotted into oblivion by the provided link.
Doh! They must really be hating us Down Under....
Google clearly has an international network of highly powered servers that have the ability to send out content via HTTP. Maybe Google could open up a side business for those who need a lot of web capacity fast for a short duration, for those who want to keep their websites up despite a major media mention that will quickly subside.
Since we're upgrading mail to be more spam-resiliant, we might as well upgrade websites, too. I think it's time that even website files are distributed via a p2p method. Swarmed downloading, and uploading via a tracker a la BitTorrent (but more seamless than how it can be done today) could help distribute load balance over the internet.
Slashdot vs. Google....
thats a tough call... considering google reaches beyond the geeks but Slashdot has higher frequency of slashdottin... uh err google blastin... uh errr...
Well the competition is on....
And while reporting incapacitated australian univ servers on slashdot, Searchenginelowdown.com is being hosted on a new site called Searchenginedown.com
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did anyone notice the text below the image: [Image used without permission from Google] Trying to give Google a taste of their own medicine?
It's the fractals! They're starting to take over... Judgement day is upon us..
I think you mean the rectals.
This isn't news.
The first few times news.google.com linked http://freeinternetpress.com , the traffic was so overwhelming that the server didn't take it. We had to tweak a few things out, so now we can.
The send lots of traffic to lots of people. We just post news very well, we weren't expecting the number of hits we got when they pick up stories.
No complaints though, we enjoy the fact that lots of people read our stuff.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
Let's assume that for an hour google secretely replaces all href's in all results to slashdot.org, could half the internet take down slashdot? That'd be an interesting thing to try.
keep it simple.
This more than inconvenienced the owners of that site, who had to move pages and ended up displaying this page instead.
Which will now be nicely slashdotted....
Do you have ESP?
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/qua ternion/
I followed their instruction for what to search google and found their new link. Are we gonna take that down too?
Cheers,
RoadkillBunny
No.
Because that would be the first step down the slipperly slope into a full blown portal with weather, news, horoscopes, blah, blah, blah.
Keep it clean and simple, or they will no longer be the number one
You can't expect to wield supreme executive power, just because some watery tart threw a sword at you
Wouldn't it have been more fun to have changed the pictures? I thought google actually stored the thumbnails and served them up.
If not, there are a various protections you can use to prevent the image being shown on another server (using the referrer is one, not particularly robust/compatible method) Many free websites use this method.
If google doesn't store the thumbnail, then it is not the google servers hammering them (as the site claims) but all the users doing the search. Thus it is irrelevant of how many servers google has.
I.O.U One Sig.
now he'll have to put up /another/ page talking about the 'power of slashdot'. let's all point at sco or something instead.
:)
oh wait... all of those windows boxes already did
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Now lets take down /that/ page, as the honorary /.er should.
By phrasing the issue in a shape of a question rather than just complaining about it they really gained my respect and admiration.
Some people understand that the purpose of a university (or any educator really) is to provoke thought and to impart knowledge and information. But also to let the end user (usually a student) draw their own conclusions.
The way the page is phrased makes me think that the person behind it - even supposing I didn't know he works with fractals - is one cool guy and probably a really awesome professor.
Google could start bullying companies into paying them, or else Google will make its logo point their servers ;-)
Watch me pull a fractal outta my hat!
[Servers exploding in Australia]
Oops! Looks like I don't know m'own strenth!
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RTFA, he injured his nose in an army operation.
In one operation on a stormy, cold night he had suffered a severe injury and thus lost his nose. After many unsuccessful operations to remedy the situation, he was forced to wear a leather strap around the area where his nose was for the rest of his life.
The IT section color scheme sucks.
I spent a good part of my afternoon visiting pages linked to that google logo. The first page of results was so slow, and half the links were timing out.
I wondered why they didn't just return random results from the first 20-30 pages of links. That would have seemed more respectful to the poor bastards running sites off freebie dial-up and university hosting accounts.
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Basil: (cheerfully) Yes, well one of the guests has just died.
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Basil: (to Polly) Oh, spiffing! Absolutely spiffing. Well done! Two dead, twenty five to go.
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Should Google ask permission before potentially sending huge traffic loads to a single page/server?
Sweet Jebus, give me a break.
Since this came from a google search, there is a pretty simple way to prevent this from happening, without having Google do anything - use your robots.txt to stop google from indexing your site.
Google is opt-in. If you don't want to be indexed, don't be.
Julia had his nose blown off in WWI.
"The Hnorror, the Hnnnorror!
Here's the full text from the website tomorrow:
Browsing Slashdot?
Looking for the page complaining about Google?
On the 4rd of February 2004, this page (or rather the page that was here) was swamped by requests and the server subsequentially failed. The reason was traced to Slashdot(see image below) posting an article about a webpage about Google posting an image about fractals, which when clicked accessed our web page. The link went directly to a page about google (or rather the page that was here).
[Image used without permission from Slashdot]
In order to get this server functional again, the page that was here has been moved somewhere else. It shouldn't be too hard to find it if you really want to, do a Google search for "Using google fractal" or if you would like to complain more about google try googlewatch.
Please note that this is not a criticism of Slashdot or nerd but rather an interesting dimension to the power they wield. They have hundreds (thousands?) of members worldwide that distribute their traffic load. If even a small percentage of that traffic is directed to a single server.....what chance does it have?
Questions: Should Slashdot ask permission before potentially sending huge traffic loads to a single page/server? Should they regulate traffic to individual sites/pages by allowing accesses by karma? Why do so few of them have girlfriends?
Happy slashdotting!
Slashdot nerdeth
and Google geeketh away
Blessed is the dork?
First google takes them down, then slashdot. Someone must really not like fractals. :)
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The Google page was listed on Fark yesterday. So that site has been: 1. Googled 2. Farked 3. Now /.'ed
The unintentional DDoS trifecta!
No sig, sorry.
lets not visit the links in the article....
you know... to be nice....
errr argggg.. eeeeaaahh.... I gotta I gotta...The temptation is just to strong....
The origional site (I think) can be found at:
q ua ternion/
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/
your answer = WW1
Weird, I've tried to see what Google knows about Gaston Julia, it turned out that Google doesn't actually know him.
The IT section color scheme sucks.
we feature you as a logo. ;)
Looks like google doesn't need an IPO, after all
The best planning can be done after the project completes.
When that happens, is when I stop using Google.
Look at the garbage that comcast subjects paying customers to.
It can only get worse.
They thought they had it bad getting googled, now they're getting slashdotted as well! Lucky them.
--sitharus
Why do people complain sites like Google or Slashdot shouldnt link to sites, because they get too much traffic?
People put their sites online so other people can see it. You cant then complain when lots of people see it, saying, "I only wanted a couple people seeing it". Its a public site, so expect the public to come. Just make sure you get a plan that doesnt charge when you go over your bandwidth, just shuts you down.
The reason this was such a big deal is that google was doing something they don't normally do.
If this were to happen regularly and be adds none the less it would be totally ignored.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
C'mon you geeks! Take off those pocket protectors and put on the gloves! Google's callin' you out!
I strongly suspect that a good Googledoodling generates vastly more traffic than a Slashdotting ever could. If anyone recalls from a few weeks ago, a NASA guy was talking about server load from Slashdot versus links from major news sites. The comment boiled down to observing that Slashdot was a drop in the bucket compared to links from mainstream news web sites. (I'm sorry that I can't immediately locate that comment -- anyone else remember it or can find it?)
Google gets absolutely spectacularly huge volumes of visitors, even (I suspect) compared to the major media web sites. If only the tiniest fraction clicked on the logo, and then on a linked picture, it could generate really immense traffic.
Still, I'd love to see this quantified.
Trying to give Google a taste of their own medicine?
Google reports their servers have been brought down by something they call the "astronomy.swin.edu.au" effect.
Uhm, they change their logo and have it link to a search query on a farily regular basis, especially on holidays.
I run a fractal-related site, and just the leftovers from people clicking through to sites that had links to my site was enough to give me 10x the traffic. I had calls from my host and a few other problems, so I took the web sites down for a few hours while trying to help some other folks figure out what was going on.
I've been slashdotted four times or so before, so I know what it's like. The server handled it just fine, it was the connection that was the trouble.
I'm glad that the initial onslaught is over, but I'm still seeing elevated traffic levels, and probably will for a few days. This is normal for any kind of slashdotting.
People are never as simple as their stereotypes. This applies equally to Christians, Muslims, and Emacs-lovers.
Then you would see what a /. -ing could really do!
I've been slashdotted before... Google's link to sites that link to me did more than any slashdotting I've had before.
I think Google would win this fight.
People are never as simple as their stereotypes. This applies equally to Christians, Muslims, and Emacs-lovers.
So does Google Googleplex them?
"Uh-oh Billy, looks like the Julia Set setver got Googleplexed!"
-jrr
Exactly, but if these ads were limited to campaigns such as the "What is mLife?" campaign, Google could get a few million dollars each time.
I would imagine Google would generated way more traffic 'coz its used by *average* people. My mom sort of knows Google and that's as good a indicator as anything else.
/. the stories are archived and the traffic doesn't really die for a few days but keeps going gradually down.
/. would have a longer traffic pattern.
However, even if Google hyperlinks the logo, it usually does it for a day. So, the traffic is going to die down after a day. But on
To sum it up, IMO, Google would generate a spike for a whole day but
My $0.02
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Why does it seem half the time Google modifies their logo for a famous persons birthday, we don't know who they are?
/. and post news (well, birthdays) that matter.
How come we've never seen Bill Gates there? Or the birth of the computer (good ol' babbage!)? Or the birth of console games? C'mon Google, do a
dude, WTF are you talking about? That Super Bowl is years away.
(You do know that Google does sell ads, right? I didn't think so.)
Oh, I did catch the "home page" suggestion -- why on earth would Google want to muck with their branding, identity and clean interface by plugging some other entity on the index page? You do realize that most, if not all, Google vistors will enter a query and view a second page that will contain TARGETED ads, which are vastly more popular than generic ads that appear on, say, HOME PAGES.
According to alexa.com, google is the 3rd most visited site in the world.
And compared to google, slashdot is but a drop in the bucket.
For those too lazy to find out, the #1 site is Yahoo.com, #2 is MSN. List
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just how much money could Google make if they sold just a small ad on their home page
But then, would it still be Google?
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Although those fractal folks got Google-dotted (or whatever you want to call it), Janet Jackson's boob was the most searched event in internet history, beating out Sept. 11th.
...if google linked to slashdot like that? I mean, what would we call that? A slashgle? A googdot'ing? :-)
Google never linked the site, google linked to a google search to which that site was the first result.
Well, yes, Google linked to Google which linked to the site - still Google linking. It's like if a Slashdot story is too long to fit on the Front Page, and a link is in the non-summary bit of the text; or like a slashdotted link that's just fallen off the Front Page - both are still linked from Slashdot.
IMO Google should institute a policy for links such as these; they should link to their own google cached versions, perhaps caching any other content such as images as well, instead of linking to the "featured" site.
The least they should do is warn the site of potential megatraffic. Anything less could be seen as slightly irresponsible on the part of google. However, it could also be they don't really realize how much power they really wield. Are there any google employees who read slashdot that can comment?
Well, then they would be just like msn.com.
Their strategy has been revealed at last:
- Become world's most popular search engine.
- Contract with major web hosting companies for 50% of overcharges for exceding allowed bandwidth.
- Aim the Google Death Star and start raking in the tall dollars.
(What, you were expecting another lame "3) Profit!" joke? Hey, even an AC has standards.)
At 8:00 a.m. EST, my Mom IM'd me at school to tell me that the Internet as slow at home. At 9:00, my friend who uses my wiki told me that he had been letting it load for about an hour and it wasn't loading. The Xbox-Linux project's wiki also is hosted on my server, and it was inaccessible.
All these web sites are hosted on my little Linux box in my basement, on my parents' cable-modem with 40 KB/s up to the Internet. What happened to me was that the Google logo, linking to the image search for "julia fractals", had my friend Jonathan's site as the top hit. (The exact hit was this page.)
The page was all-but inaccessible, as was my server. I eventually SSH'd in, copied the files to my JHU web hosting space, and set up an Apache redirect to serve the files from there. JHU (my university) has a pretty big pipe, I've learned over the years I've been here. :-).
I mentioned this in a blog entry I made on the topic. It seems that now the search finds some other first hit, the .edu.au site mentioned in the story. Perhaps that's because my server was "Cthuugled" (eaten alive by Google, that is), and no one could reach the first link for so many hours.
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We can rely on the highly scientific Googlefight system.
Slashdot vs. Google - Winner: Google
Slashdotted vs. Googled - Winner: Googled
Clearly, Google is superior and far more dangerous.
Bitchslapped. Neat.
I tried but it was googledotted
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Amazing idea, but also directly opposed to their golden rule "Don't be evil". One point of pride for Google is that they do not post ads on their portal. I expect what you suggest will happen long after the IPO and after the founders have sold their stake in Google.
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The resulting traffic generated from clicking on that 'featured logo' incapacitated the servers of the top-listed images, hosted at an Australian university. This more than inconvenienced the owners of that site, who had to move pages and ended up displaying this page instead."
*clicks on the link*
*waits*
*for awhile*
Oh, the irony...
And the masses cried out, "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0!"
Oh, and I heard he teabagged his own children while their mother watched!
You'd think that google could at least cache the top 10 hits or so, on their own servers , then only direct say 1/3 of the traffic at the origional servers.
.. if they are going to generate that amount of traffic all the time, at least they could be smart about it.
I mean come on
This more than inconvenienced the owners of that site, who had to move pages and ended up displaying this page instead."
On the other hand, you could say that it benefited the owners of the site. After all, people were interested enough in fractals and/or Julia (or just the picture they saw), to follow up and seek out more information. Isn't the purposes of those sites to provide information to people interested in fractals?
Chances are, people who found the sites down will follow up the same links today or tomorrow to read more about fractals. Ultimately, it will increase traffic (and interest) to those sites. Thats's a good thing.
I would like to see Google create a link from the main "Google" picture to Slashdot, and at the same time get Slashdot to write a post about it linking to the Google site, and see who's servers drown first.
The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim.
What's more, a lot of users (myself included) by-pass the homepage completely, and go straight to a search using various nifty tools - from forms on 3rd-party websites to search toolbars to bookmarklets and other browser tricks. So adverts on the front page would probably get less hits than the ones on the searches.
But Yahoo and MSN are both networks, and Alexa is counting almost anything that ends in yahoo.com or msn.com in the ratings. My assertion was that Google's main page is the most visited single page...
why not sue google for infringing on slashdots patent for taking down web servers?
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I guess now we'll have to clarify things. For example, what does it mean if I say that I need to google SCO?
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When I worked summers up on Cape Cod Mass at a family-owned pizza shop, a couple times during the summer we'd have the /. pizza effect -- the local sea camps would call in an order for 200 pizzas, or a couple of tour busses would pull in the lot with 100 hungry riders.
Did they call in advance? Did they ask permission to swamp us? Did we redirect them out the door and decline their order? Of course not. Variability in demand is a part of business.
The same goes for the half-dozen toys that Time Magazine says are the hot Christmas items, which suddenly disappear from the shelves. Should shoppers be restricted from buying them in order to maintain a few on the shelves?
Suddenly popular websites have the same consequence to the consumer - unavailability of supply. People find alternatives, come back later, etc.
So am I missing something dramatically new here?
I have absolutely no idea how this got moderated +5 interesting. What are you trying to say, here? That Google isn't "in the content business?" Of course Google isn't in the content business...that's why they're called a search engine, not a "content engine." They find other people's content for you...that's how a search engine works.
There was no "editorial comment." They change the logo to reflect an important event in history on any given day...it just so happened that Gaston Julia's birthday was that day. They're a search engine, and they want to promote their searching ability...why would they waste time and money hiring someone to write an article about fractals?
I'm not trying to flame or anything, but what exactly where you trying to say?
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because I am sure it would still get click throughs when it is an add?
Imagine a... no, it's already a cluster.
I, for one, welc... damn, that doesn't work either: Google's already a God.
In soviet r... shit!! it doesn't work the other way around!
Formula for success:
1. Create interesting website about fractals.
2. Put it on the internet on the day Google honours Gaston Julia.
3. Prof... FUCK, there's no money to be made there, plus I didn't use the "???" step!
I give up.
Slashdotting by far.
Google visitors may come at various times of the day and links are ranked high because they are generally worth visiting. The chances of 10,000 people visiting the same page at the same time because of Google are slim(pr0n sites excluded).
Slashdotters on the other hand are like a digital blitzkrieg. They come out of nowhere and BAM! Your server is on fire and your datacenter out of commission..
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...we have a new definition of google-wack
Yes, but whats that got to do with the price of tea in D'ni?
"A NASA guy [That was me, but I don't work for NASA directly, but for Speedera who delivers their traffic] says ... Slashdot was a drop in the bucket compared to links from mainstream news web sites".
I said it here. The Slashdot load depends on the size of the objects downloaded of course, but a reasonable generalization is that the traffic from a top 10 portal is about five to ten times higher.
Since Google usually changes logos on holidays, and based on the weird logo, I thought it was celebrating the Brazilian festival of Carnival...
What the hell, was it World Fractal Awareness Day? Dammit, looks like I forgot to mail out cards again.
Looks like Google sent a server Gaga and it went down the Gurgler..
Now if they were TRUELY smart, they'd have used those hits, IP addresses and timestamps as random seed for some internet fractal art! Oops, shouldnt have suggested that - somebody will probably get rich off it.. *shrug*
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The slippery slope, eh? That sure is, (sarcasm), valid reasoning.
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Oh, the Irony.
First Google slashdots a site on recursive fractionated geometry, then the Slashdot editors invite the whole community to rubberneck.
It seems to me that reguardless of the site causing the traffic, /. already has the name regonition for this and that /. editors should expand the terms "The Slash Dot Effect" and "to be Slash Dotted" to be public use words for all sites. BUT slashdot should retain the right to be called "The Original Slashdot Effect" or something along those lines. This way reguardless of the future of slashdot.org or the internet, the /. legacy will live on!
"to Google" is now an official word meaning "to search the internet", do not let them coin "to Googlize" or anything silly like that!
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A woman puts on an alluring dress and gets upset when men stare.
This university puts up a web page for public consumption and then whine WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO.
Next you'll be hearing that Microsoft is upset that users use IE after they placed it on the desktop.
You're right. With Mozilla's built-in Google-accessibility and Google Toolbar on IE I didn't see the fractious fractal logo even though I used Google (checking) ... more than 40 times yesterday (according to History).
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
We have a bit of diliema with Google. On one hand, we get high Google rankings for search terms relevant to products we carry. On the other hand, Google does a complete index of our 4,000+ page site every week, and it takes several days.
We're on a wireless Internet connection due to severe lack of affordable Internet out here in the country, and they want to limit us to 30GB per month. I hate to complain to Google because we do get a lot of new customers from Google searches.
...because I tried to submit a story on this:
2004-02-03 17:36:02 Happy Birthday Gaston Julia (articles,graphics) (rejected)
Too bad I can't remember what I wrote, but I can give some links to stuff about him on Wikipedia.
There are only 10 kinds of people in this world... those who understand binary and those who don't
...we'll just Slashdot it instead.
Portals are not secret.
How is it different than those stupid ad banners of Microsoft on all OSDN sites? If the ad money will help Google to keep and improve its quality - I don't see any problem in it. All I need from Google is the search field and the search results. What will be around on the empty-otherwise place - I don't care.
Less is more !
So the replacement page reads ... "On the 3rd of February 2004, this page (or rather the page that was here) was swamped by requests and the server subsequentially failed."
I run a website on my home DSL with a store bought router and Linux. Whether that was a redundant T3 or plain ol' DSL, it shouldn't matter: if my poor underpowered server is getting too much traffic due to Slashdot or Google, IT SHOULD NOT EVER ACTUALLY "FAIL"! What, did the Julia ethernet port just start shooting flames? Did the harddrive platters melt? They are describing a software bug!
What in the Julia server people's hardware, router firmware, OS kernel, web server, Java VM, or Java App Server that caused the fault? Whichever vendor is to blame should be identified, taken out back, and given a paddling! (And if the Julia people are running IIS, then, of course, *they* deserve to be paddled because they screwed up on a fractal level.)
In my opinion, if my site got slashdotted, I should hope to return home and see all blinky lights normal (with only my DSL bandwidth jacked up to holy hell).
How do we get these internet infrastructure people (hardware, firmware, and software) to butch up our systems? Is anyone measuring the points of failure on average webservers under extreme load and then working to fix the problems?
Davester
Come on, Slashdot vs. Google on Googlefight.com? The results were clearly rigged.
Get Google to buy OSDN and Fark, add a boobies section to /. and unleash the most powerful force the internet has ever seen... Will make mydoom look like a prank on a high school network.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
As they say, sure kicking someone when they are down. And I prefer this googlefight, seeing as how the Julia set site mentions "Googleblatted"
And not what makes them great. The reason Google is good is they return the most relivant results (as determined by their quite efficient engine) for any search, not random, the highest paying, etc. They do the same for things like their banner links.
/.) and you live through it. Doesn't last all that long anyhow. If you choose to host on a home network (as I do with some of my stuff), be prepared that it might get taken out if someone big links you. If you host with a large provider (as I do with other stuff), find one that has a good TOS, with something like a biggest-day exception to your BW limits.
Part of posting content on a totally public, accessible forum like the Internet is teh knowledge that the big boys may take intrest in you at some point. You need to accept and deal with that. I've had servers I own or maintained hit by a lot of people before (from Wired rather than
A wedding, OTOH, is a sacrament. It turns two people into one. It's not merely a 'recognition of their love.' Without it, the two remain their separate selves. That's the difference.
The most visited single page would certainly be the default home page in Internet Explorer.
When will slashdotting become illegal? DOS attacks pfff, that's so old school. I only need to post a link in a story that has 500 or more comments and bam that site's dead.
Trolls dont like to be Flamebait, because they burn so well. Protect our Troll heritage!
OMG Google is like the new Slashdot!!! (imagine snotty teenager voice)
Those of us who use a Real Browser don't see the Google main page anymore...
you did it ALL wrong /.'ed Vrs Googled
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Slashdooted wins by a LONG shot
The More Knowledge you have the Luckier you Get- J.R. Ewing
They should have used Globalserver's Virtual private servers (VPS).
"d00d, my server is b0rk3d!"
Trolls dont like to be Flamebait, because they burn so well. Protect our Troll heritage!
When will google commemorate "SCO Day"(tm)(r) in this fashion.
So... in the vain of "slashdotting" a site, should we call it "googling" a site? No, that's already the term you use when searching for a term... it would just end up being confusing. We could just re-appropriate the term "google-whacking"... but that term should stay the same, as well, for simplicity's sake. So then... it is necessary to make a new term. And there's really only one that will do.
That site's been google-spanked.
Imagine...the closer you zoom in, it's still pr0n!
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
The argument that Slashdot and Google can be liable is easy. It's a well known fact that these circumstances (when article put on slashdot, or the google logo) do cause unreasonably high levels of traffic that would not have been caused otherwise. Google and slashdot have a duty upon them to make sure their actions do not disrupt another party: in this case they do. Should anyone lose money as a result of one of these events, I think they'd stand a good chance of claiming damages against slashdot or google.
this may be helpful
It is times like these I wish I didn't hate pay-for-click banner ads and had a few myself.
I found the above statement from his web site interesting.
Here is an idea. How about developing some code that only kicks in banner ads when hits go above a certain rate. This could help mitigate the costs of above average traffic, while keeping your site banner free for normal situations.
One of my sites had two images in the top 10 hits on that julia fractals search page. By the time I figured it out, although very early in the day, I had already consumed about 30 gigabytes of bandwidth. My hosting plan allows for 8 and every gig over that is $5. So, when I realized that Google had just cost me over $100, I had to make a decision. Either take the site down and eat it or plea to the public to help me pay for the bandwidth and keep the site up. That turned out pretty good. I put a PayPal donate link up and people donated about $250 in total. I won't know for sure if that covers the bandwidth costs until the end of the month though. It will be really close.
... loser" or something stupid like that and the other was just someone who seemed completely oblivious to what this was going to cost me.
... is load factor 11 bad?). It held up though! So, I let the donations trickle in as my bandwidth flooded out and I think I'm going to come out even ... except for the half day of work I had to miss.
I thought it was fair. I kept the original images up and let the public decide and they came through. I only got flamed by 2 people for "taking advantage" of the google link. One of them told me "your bandwidth is fine
Anyway, my hosting provider laughingsquid.com was incredibly cool about it. They actually called me to warn me about how serious the problem was. It was in danger of taking down their entire server and all of my other sites! But, we sat and watched the traffic and the server (well, they watched the server, I just listened as they watched
Anyway, I'm not trying to solicit donations from you guys and I hope that this reply is buried enough to not get my site slashdotted too. Here's the site URL if anyone is curious. Please excuse the long diatribe if it's still there. I'm going to take it down as soon as I get a chance.
http://www.unpronounceable.com/julia/
Sincerely,
Dave
Is it any coincidence that only hours after this story was posted, Slashdot went down like an obedient date? I think not.
...Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
Churchill
What will happen if google gets slashdotted and slashdot gets googled?
Slashdotted vs. Googled - Winner: Googled
But googled and slashdotted don't usually mean the same thing at all, googled is refering to searching for something, not destroying it.
... can be found here.
I especially like the logo for Einstein's birthday (see March 14, 2003).
- shadowmatter
This is probably so obvious it's already been mentioned, but how about you (Google) mirror the first page of results you link to from the day's special banner? by default, rather than people having to think to use the google cache. You would of course need to mirror images or other large content. I don't know if there could be any legal problems with this but technicaly it should work and you'd only need to do it for a day.
This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.
Well they've done the first part. Now we just need another Slashdot story :)
This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.
ModTorrent
Wikileaks, no DNS
Mr. Rose: What business are you in, Google? Just tell me what business you're in!
Peaches: Just say you're in the search business, Google, 'cause that's the only business you wanna be in!
Muddy: Hey Google! Listen, Google! You don't wanna go in the content business with Mr. Rose, man!
Mr Rose: What you wanna do?
Muddy: Just tell him you're in the search business!
Heisenberg might have been here.
So it's time all the big ISP's to start using transparent squids or whatever, like the small ones do! They should slowdown (or even prevent) the /. - google effect.
Is your ISP forcing you to use a cache????
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or at least virtual flashcrowds - that's what we are. Created by anything with a high-traffic audience and an "interesting" link to a web-site that's the equivalent of a pretty but weak wooden bridge; we're the juggernaut that decides to park on it to catch the view.
that flashcrowd idea - Larry Niven, 1971 (1973?) see:
"we demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
While I guess you can think of lots of reasons why it won't happen, I think there would be some sites interested in participating.
I'm still trying to figure out what people mean by 'social skills' here.
Where are the pictures of Julia... and does she get nekkid.
you had me at #!
Googledotting?
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
I'm hositing a website for a Janet Jackon fanclub... I had to take it down for a few days after sunday since every person on this world started to query search engines to find "janet jackson superbowl". :)
Suddenly it's not that great anymore if you have a high ranking on google and other search engines...
ohwell... since sunday we've probably become a "adult oriented" site anyway (the way americans see it). I'm even starting to get personal mails from people offering me free adult hosting
Ricardo.
After all, they have the a crapload of machines, they seem to have a nice fat pipe - and they obviously have the knowledge to build the worlds 180th fastest supercomputer in 2002.
Reading Slashdot?
Here's the bit I loved about the new page :)
Google giveth
and Google taketh away
Blessed is Google?
hahaha! that question mark at the end just cracked me up :)
http://efil.blogspot.com/
That depends on whether a web site that expected 5,000 hits this month just got 500,000 in one day because some idiot posted its address on Slashdot, and the webmaster is paying $1/MB for everything past the first 200MB this month, I guess. (The answer is around $20,000 that day, in case you're having trouble working it out.)
The key concepts a lot of people seem to be missing here are the intent of a web site and the reasonable expectations of its administrator. I don't believe that sites like Slashdot or Google have the right to knowingly direct huge amounts of traffic to a site that wouldn't expect it, without that site's explicit permission. Doing so is essentially just a deliberate DDoS attack on the site, and should be treated as such. Expecting a mainstream news web site to have serious bandwidth is reasonable. Expecting www.bigisp.com/~littleuser/aboutme.html to have serious bandwidth is not.
The fact that it is technically possible to do this to anyone with a web site is not the point. It is technically possible for me to run you over with my car when you step into the road without looking, but if I do so when I could have stopped, I will rightly be charged with (insert your local motoring offence here).
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Except that Google drops punctuation like '/' and '.' so the search ends up being 'ed'. It is fairly obvious that ed would win, being the only editor for real men and all.
"The ed utility is the standard text editor."
-- The 'ed' manpage
Simple. We /. google.
Google will get their revenge when they sponsor 'National Nerds Day' and use it as an excuse to link their logo to the search 'natalie portman hot grits crap meme'.
Remember, when Cowboy Neal's face appears within the second 'o' in 'Google', you have thirty seconds to save Slashdot before the servers overload, glow white-hot and melt every Star Wars and anime figure within a 30-mile radius.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
What gives google these rights? If someone in google really hates someone, they just change the search algorithm so their page get on the top. And the hosted server goes down.
I like google, and thinks its the best search engine out there. But that does NOT give them the right to do whatever suites them.
So why is it "bad" for an "evil" Linux user(s) to DOS SCO's website when /.s to plummel any site they deem fit and now Google can absolutely pound into oblivion and site they so choose.
/. and Google have you think they could come up with a more adult way of getting their point across.
/.ers would be pissing all over their shoes and the person next to them trying to get even.
Lets be careful now kids 'cause there will be substanical legal costs in the future to causing this type of harm to a business and more importantly an education website.
With the power
I'm pretty damn sure if the tables were turned
Grow up and go after the real enemies.
BIG BUSINESS - BIG GOVERNMENT - BIG LIES!
I would like to note for legal reasons that I do not sympathise with the writer of the MyDoom.A worm and that I do not advise SCO to be DDoSed again.
hehehe, someone at Google has a sense of humour, Dr. Seuss style. Nice link thanks.
Apparently it's a 23 year old Korean guy called Dennis Hwang. Hurray for Dennis! :)
This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.
Anyone else notice the 503 last nite?
Is this article suppose to be ragging on google for the traffic it caused to a site? Did anyone forget what slashdot does and the word "hypocrisy"?
I swear, everyday I read slashdot it seems people who post are growing more idiotic.
...goes back to the classic deep-linking debate, in which web site owners were not only criticized for, but also strongly discouraged from, linking to other web sites or otherwise using a trademark of another (company's) web site on their own web sites. The reasons for that mostly boiled down to trademark dilution or tarnishment. The classic example: I bet Disney and Yahoo love having their trademarks all over the porn-web's "Do Not Enter if Under 18" logos.
This kinda makes me wonder if someone could win a big-ass settlement from Google if they played their cards right in a lawsuit with a similarly based argument. Of course, in this case it seems like no one is worried about trademark tarnishment -- if anything, the extra web traffic makes a web site more noticeable. But too much can be devastating on small businesses or individuals whose servers can not handle the load.
Next week on The Onion: "How to Stop Google -- The virtue of oppressing unique ideas." Heh.
... except for msn.com, which seems to be the default in IE on operating systems installed by Dell.
Let's all click to read the story!
Uh oh.
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/fractals/q uaternion/slashdot.html
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
What happens if /. gets /.ed?
Then we're really in trouble.
we just need to get Google to have Darl's face appear in the o's of the logo to give SCO "free publicity", right?
Congratulations! You've managed to abbreviate a word to the exact same number of characters as the original. Only this time, they're mostly keys that are harder to type than the original.
You may now enter the dustbin of history and sit beside the inventor of 2K+1.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
...where some e-commerce developers are huddled around a monitor and they start the website.
They immediately get about 27 hits, and they cheer. Then they get a few hundred hits, and they cheer louder.
Then they get about 50 thousand hits, and they get the "Oh, Shit" look on their faces.
Just goes to show: careful what you wish for.
This seems to imply that the server crashed. Maybe I'm misreading it in this case, but I've certainly heard other claims that a slashdotting or googleblatting or DoS attack crashed servers.
When a server is saturated with requests, it should reply to as many of them as it can and allow the rest to time out. If the server crashes as a result of the load, that's a bug.
Perhaps it's just a semantic thing, but it seems misleading to blame the crash on the load. The crash is due to a bug that happens to be aggravated by high load. Blaming the load seems to be a way to deflect responsibility from the engineers who built the server.
how about this: Questions: Did all those unique hits originate directly from Google (or /.) in a planned DDoS attack? Should the webmaster be happy that their site was popular and relevant enough to be at the top of Google's ranking system?
sh*t happens, get over it... in a few days it'll be over and you can go back to your regularly scheduled programming...
You are correct. I didn't even know google had a funny logo until I saw a coworker's machine.
Fellowship 9/11
You can't just take anything you feel like and put it on your own web site as a mirror. Unless the material is available under a license like the Creative Commons License or the GPL, it would be a copyright violation to redistribute something from someone else's web page. This issue has been battered around in the past.
Do you look at the site's robot.txt to see if they block archiving by sites like google? If they do, it is a good guess they don't want anyone mirroring their content. But copyright protection is not opt-in; the material is protected by copyright law no matter what the robots.txt says.
There is no obvious solution outside of some rewrite of copyright law for the web. Maybe we could invent and publicize a Slashdot License. Get everyone to add a comment to their pages saying, "If a link to this page appears on slashdot, I give anyone permission to mirror the content unmodified for 48 hours."
Wait, so Julia is a guy?
I think I'm gonna be sick....
n/t
"The Slippery Slope" is a logical fallacy only in that it does not produce an ironclad chain of reasoned implications. The slippery slope phenomenon is real, however, and it is perfectly fine to use inductively.
taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
Slashdotting a site results in a single (or maybe a few) site receiving heavy traffic and possibly being knocked offline. Linking to an images.google.com search can take down every website linked to on the first (and possibly subsequent) page of the search. There are those word combinations that appear only once on Google (can't remember what they are called) - will a new game emerge from finding image searches that link to all different websites, then posting the search link to see how long it takes for any or all the sites to go down? Maybe sort of a 'Last Man Standing' sort of thing?
I have a site that was getting too much traffic, and costing me money (I used to make money off of it from banner ads, but those days seem to be over). Rather than kill the site (since it literally keeps hundreds of grandmothers entertained), I decided to install the Apache "mod_throttle" module. Now, my bandwidth NEVER goes above a certain point.
Perhaps this, combined with HTTP_REFERER testing, could keep 'unwanted' visitors at bay, while still letting you deal with 'regular customers'...?
-bill!
about 30 seconds more or /.
sloogle.dot !
Click the link the story mentioned. The author clearly states that Google caused more traffic than slashdot.
Have you read my journal today?
Just have to gush on and on about how great Slashdot is.