> > It's threatening and romantic! It's threatmantic! > whenever I see your.sig, I think it's referring to goatse.cx
Funny, whenever I see it I think "Why doesn't that fucking idiot change his stupid sig. It doesn't make much sense and it isn't funny in the slightest. What the fuck is his disorder?" Then I remember it's/., shake my head, and move on.
> this has to be one of the most intellectually dishonest cut-and-paste jobs I have seen
Please, I was arguing points, not the whole thing, that's why I selected what I was arguing. What was so "dishonest" (as if "intellectual dishonesty" really means anything -- it doesn't) about leaving out the fact that all nations have a military. Oh, wait that was YOU being intellecually dishonest. Pot... well, you know the rest.
> how convenient that you left out every part of my post pointing out the vast number of services they receive for very little increase.
Higher Education, fine, yes I left that out because I don't see it as a necessity. If they want free college, so be it. Health care is the only other thing I left out, despite your claims that I left out all kinds of services you listed. Guess what that is? A lie. I quoted every service you mentioned except schools & Health care, of which the basics of both (grade-high school and emergency medicine) are *FREE* in the U.S. I don't mean elective surgery, I mean emergency medicine. If you can't afford it, yes, it's free. Yes, it's law.
> meaningful retirement, free health care, free higher education, and even have a good enough transit system that the unnecessary expense of a car is optional.
Since you lied your way into insulting me you had to list now what you left out the first time. Would have saved you the trouble if you had actually said these things before -- intellectual dishonesty, indeed. Okay, that's fine.
Okay, checking back, you HAD said "labor protection." I don't think I know what that means, but sounds to me like what the unions do. Keep bad workers in their jobs by threat of legal intimidation to the employer. Yeah, that's one-sided, and unions had their purpose when working conditions were bad and employers used the jobs to squeeze every breath of work from the poor sap with the job. That was a "long" (in U.S. terms) time ago. As much as people like to bitch and moan, I don't see much good reason for unions these days, since they don't even protect the interests of those they steal money from.
Meaningful retirement: That means that you feel your govornment owes you something just because you're old. Fine, I only have social security, which isn't much, but it is enough to live on, if you don't need extravagance. Some argue that SS will be gone by the time I retire. That is not proven, it is only speculated on by doom-and-gloomers. BUT, assume that it will "run out of money" (which is a technical impossibility, but I'll let that slide). If I saved all the money from the difference in taxes and saved it like a responsible person, instead of automatically spending it, like the average person, I could save enough to make my retirement days much better. Not to mention that I have a retirement account. It's not MY fault that other people don't know how to save money. If they used their brains instead of their Consumers' Eyes, they wouldn't have a problem. But no, the "poor people" still want their Escalades and Nikes, ignoring the fact that they can't afford them. Shit, I can't afford them. That's why I don't fucking buy them.
Health Care: The only absolutely necessary health care is emergency medicine, such as broken bones, sudden heart problems, etc. Can't afford it? We're not tossing you into the street, it's essentially free. Technically, you still may "owe" for some services, but that "debt" will NEVER show in a credit report, nor will it ever be reported to anyone, and no charges can be pressed for nonpayment. (There's no bullshitting on this one, I work at a Hospital.)
Higher Education: Granted it's not free, but there is plenty of very cheap education in the U.S. A local college to me is pretty good, but it's only about $500 per semester. Hell, it costs more to live there than to go there. Federal Loans are very easy to get, and grants almost as easy. It's common for people to go to school for free or almost so.
> Tell that to the guy who tried it with two. Ouch.
Yeah, what kind of idiot does a highly risky operation on TWO expensive devices without testing first, or even just doing one-at-a-time? That kind of idiot, I suppose, although I'm sure they still look cool with just the lights & unmoving platters. Despite that, it's still frikkin' awesome looking.
> you, the US citizens, even defend such rotten state of affairs
What nonsense. What we defend is the ability to spend your money how you see fit. If I want to give my money to Peewee Herman's election campaign, who the heck are you to say I can't? Is it immoral because I work for NBC and think he might make laws relaxing broadcasting rights? Well then, he's doing what I think is right and is representing my interests.
The basics of logic are useless for some people, such as Corrolation != causation. Just because Someone in a certain position donates money, that does not mean anything illegal is going on.
> You get police, highways, etc., but so do the citizens of all first world countries
Yes, same protection, but those nations have higher taxes. Yay for progress.
> an excellant military, which is only necessary since the US has to go around manipulating other nation's governments
Oh, your country does not have a military? That's impressive. Oh, I see, your country has a military for protection, but the U.S. has it for dominance. Doesn't that sound slightly biased?
> A completely artifical construct is moving upward, and employment is increasing
I totally agree that it's artificial, but all sides use artificial numbers to their advantage. Doesn't make it right, but that's how it is at the moment.
> I want my taxes reduced.
Which has happened in the last few years. Twice. You didn't see a big reduction? Because (assuming you are not wealthy) you aren't paying much to begin with.
Just to stop anyone before they start assuming my political affiliations, I dislike conservatives ( and hate neocons) about as much as I dislike liberals.
> If you're tring to make yourself look like an ignorant American, mission accomplished.
OK, next time a French election happens, be sure to let all the residents of Baltic states vote, because they obviously know what's going on in France. Hell they're closer to France than France is to the U.S., so they have a better understanding.
> what makes you think they can figure out a voting machine?
Very true... Many of these people are the ones we complain about because they can't turn a PC on, and we expect them to use a touchscreen? Excellent point.
> including ALL of the scenereos where the will of the people was taken into account
You cannot determine the "will of the people." If you could, only one recount would have been necessary. "Will of the People" is a bullshit term used to make themselves look like they care. They don't. Neither do the Republicans.
> more votes in more states would imply that Bush got more votes
Maybe in your fucked up left-wing logic (right-wing logic is just as bad). "More votes in more states" means that in each of more than 50% of the states, Bush got more than 50% of the votes. That does NOT mean that all states counted he got more than 50%.
> if illegal immigrants are all rich enough to bribe all the liberals in the country with millions of dollars in donations
The difference is that they don't bribe them w/ money, they bribe them with votes. The Democrats know that low-/no- income people tend to vote Democrat more often, so they are stuffing the voter rolls.
> Governor Pete Wilson decided that it wasn't safe to drive while speaking Spanish.
If you're going to try making a point to convince someone, don't say stupid shit like this. You could speak every language in the world and still have this happen to you. It's not Mexi-discrimination.
I don't care about immigration status either. If you can figure out what the signs mean (even if you can't read), you understand the laws (although translators should not be mandatory personnel at the DMV -- sorry, that's just wasted money), and you pass the tests, you should be able to drive. I would like to have the right to rent a car and drive while in Europe if I wanted, as long as I understand the laws.
Being more conservative than liberal, I feel like I have a preordained responsibility to be against immigrants, but I really don't give half a shit what they do. They should have every right to go anywhere in the world that they want, just as I want that right. Just because someone says "the U.S. stops here & Mexico starts here," it does not mean it is right.
You: Yes, I've RtFTC, [...] but I don't see anything there that is applicable to Internet worms
10 Comm:2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Now, me: "God Damn it! There's ANOTHER GOD DAMN worm loose, taking my servers to a crawl! Who do I have to smite to stop this crap?"
10C:3. Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day. Me: "Man, I hate coming in Sundays to fix these stupid PCs."
10C:5. Thou shalt not kill. Me: "If I ever catch the sonofabitch who wrote this thing..."
10C:10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods. Me: "Jimmy, next door, just got a brand new Mac.:( He doesn't have to put up with this shit."
There you go. Not perfect, but you said "even the wildest metaphorical stretch." FYI, These are from the Catholic version of the 10 C's.
> I just hope my point is taken about it doesn't have to be viewed as a religious symbol.
When it includes "Thou shalt have no God above me," that pretty much limits it to religion. If those kinds of things weren't on it, I wouldn't care. Unfortunately, with that one line, it should not be displayed on public property.
This isn't an insult/attack, but that is plainly obvious, considering what follows.
> the majority of Americans believe that you cannot be a good person if you don't believe in [...] God.
Wherever you read that is lieing or misinformed. The majority of Americans don't care what religion you are. I've been an atheist for about 6 years, and have no problem telling anyone this and have never received a negative reply, or any indication that I'm a bad person. I even live in a relatively religious state, far, FAR, from liberal, but still have no problems.
> it seems that many lawmakers (and almost all corporations)
I apologize for my automatic anti-corporate statement. Of course probably the only corporations who care about this are movie studios & producers, etc, and "almost all corporations" don't give half a shit what DeCSS is at all.
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> was sheltered till age 18 when I was thrown into society COMPLETELY unprepaired to live my life
> No, and I'm living proof of it.
As cheesy and "group-therapy-ish" as it sounds man, you're not alone, I feel your pain.
> > It's threatening and romantic! It's threatmantic! .sig, I think it's referring to goatse.cx
/., shake my head, and move on.
> whenever I see your
Funny, whenever I see it I think "Why doesn't that fucking idiot change his stupid sig. It doesn't make much sense and it isn't funny in the slightest. What the fuck is his disorder?" Then I remember it's
> this has to be one of the most intellectually dishonest cut-and-paste jobs I have seen
Please, I was arguing points, not the whole thing, that's why I selected what I was arguing. What was so "dishonest" (as if "intellectual dishonesty" really means anything -- it doesn't) about leaving out the fact that all nations have a military. Oh, wait that was YOU being intellecually dishonest. Pot... well, you know the rest.
> how convenient that you left out every part of my post pointing out the vast number of services they receive for very little increase.
Higher Education, fine, yes I left that out because I don't see it as a necessity. If they want free college, so be it. Health care is the only other thing I left out, despite your claims that I left out all kinds of services you listed. Guess what that is? A lie. I quoted every service you mentioned except schools & Health care, of which the basics of both (grade-high school and emergency medicine) are *FREE* in the U.S. I don't mean elective surgery, I mean emergency medicine. If you can't afford it, yes, it's free. Yes, it's law.
> meaningful retirement, free health care, free higher education, and even have a good enough transit system that the unnecessary expense of a car is optional.
Since you lied your way into insulting me you had to list now what you left out the first time. Would have saved you the trouble if you had actually said these things before -- intellectual dishonesty, indeed. Okay, that's fine.
Okay, checking back, you HAD said "labor protection." I don't think I know what that means, but sounds to me like what the unions do. Keep bad workers in their jobs by threat of legal intimidation to the employer. Yeah, that's one-sided, and unions had their purpose when working conditions were bad and employers used the jobs to squeeze every breath of work from the poor sap with the job. That was a "long" (in U.S. terms) time ago. As much as people like to bitch and moan, I don't see much good reason for unions these days, since they don't even protect the interests of those they steal money from.
Meaningful retirement: That means that you feel your govornment owes you something just because you're old. Fine, I only have social security, which isn't much, but it is enough to live on, if you don't need extravagance. Some argue that SS will be gone by the time I retire. That is not proven, it is only speculated on by doom-and-gloomers. BUT, assume that it will "run out of money" (which is a technical impossibility, but I'll let that slide). If I saved all the money from the difference in taxes and saved it like a responsible person, instead of automatically spending it, like the average person, I could save enough to make my retirement days much better. Not to mention that I have a retirement account. It's not MY fault that other people don't know how to save money. If they used their brains instead of their Consumers' Eyes, they wouldn't have a problem. But no, the "poor people" still want their Escalades and Nikes, ignoring the fact that they can't afford them. Shit, I can't afford them. That's why I don't fucking buy them.
Health Care: The only absolutely necessary health care is emergency medicine, such as broken bones, sudden heart problems, etc. Can't afford it? We're not tossing you into the street, it's essentially free. Technically, you still may "owe" for some services, but that "debt" will NEVER show in a credit report, nor will it ever be reported to anyone, and no charges can be pressed for nonpayment. (There's no bullshitting on this one, I work at a Hospital.)
Higher Education: Granted it's not free, but there is plenty of very cheap education in the U.S. A local college to me is pretty good, but it's only about $500 per semester. Hell, it costs more to live there than to go there. Federal Loans are very easy to get, and grants almost as easy. It's common for people to go to school for free or almost so.
Transit syst
> Tell that to the guy who tried it with two. Ouch.
Yeah, what kind of idiot does a highly risky operation on TWO expensive devices without testing first, or even just doing one-at-a-time? That kind of idiot, I suppose, although I'm sure they still look cool with just the lights & unmoving platters. Despite that, it's still frikkin' awesome looking.
> before all the Doctor Whos (or is that Doctors Who?)
:)
It's "Dr. Who episodes."
> people that you liaise with on a daily basis
:)
Funny that someone with the handle "MoThugz" uses the word "liaise."
I can't argue any points, so I have to resort to personal attacks.
> > WMP for the ignorant masses
> ever wonder why the masses have no great love for geeks?
Because they're ignorant?
> Yeah, but SCO stole it from Eric Estrada
:)
While the joke is not particularly good, the first link definitely is
> you, the US citizens, even defend such rotten state of affairs
What nonsense. What we defend is the ability to spend your money how you see fit. If I want to give my money to Peewee Herman's election campaign, who the heck are you to say I can't? Is it immoral because I work for NBC and think he might make laws relaxing broadcasting rights? Well then, he's doing what I think is right and is representing my interests.
The basics of logic are useless for some people, such as Corrolation != causation. Just because Someone in a certain position donates money, that does not mean anything illegal is going on.
> You get police, highways, etc., but so do the citizens of all first world countries
Yes, same protection, but those nations have higher taxes. Yay for progress.
> an excellant military, which is only necessary since the US has to go around manipulating other nation's governments
Oh, your country does not have a military? That's impressive. Oh, I see, your country has a military for protection, but the U.S. has it for dominance. Doesn't that sound slightly biased?
> A completely artifical construct is moving upward, and employment is increasing
I totally agree that it's artificial, but all sides use artificial numbers to their advantage. Doesn't make it right, but that's how it is at the moment.
> I want my taxes reduced.
Which has happened in the last few years. Twice. You didn't see a big reduction? Because (assuming you are not wealthy) you aren't paying much to begin with.
Just to stop anyone before they start assuming my political affiliations, I dislike conservatives ( and hate neocons) about as much as I dislike liberals.
> If you're tring to make yourself look like an ignorant American, mission accomplished.
OK, next time a French election happens, be sure to let all the residents of Baltic states vote, because they obviously know what's going on in France. Hell they're closer to France than France is to the U.S., so they have a better understanding.
> what makes you think they can figure out a voting machine?
Very true... Many of these people are the ones we complain about because they can't turn a PC on, and we expect them to use a touchscreen? Excellent point.
> I've forgotten more original thoughts than you'll ever have.
;)
Oh man, altzheimer's already?
> including ALL of the scenereos where the will of the people was taken into account
You cannot determine the "will of the people." If you could, only one recount would have been necessary. "Will of the People" is a bullshit term used to make themselves look like they care. They don't. Neither do the Republicans.
> more votes in more states would imply that Bush got more votes
Maybe in your fucked up left-wing logic (right-wing logic is just as bad). "More votes in more states" means that in each of more than 50% of the states, Bush got more than 50% of the votes. That does NOT mean that all states counted he got more than 50%.
> if illegal immigrants are all rich enough to bribe all the liberals in the country with millions of dollars in donations
The difference is that they don't bribe them w/ money, they bribe them with votes. The Democrats know that low-/no- income people tend to vote Democrat more often, so they are stuffing the voter rolls.
> should Senators, when they are defeated / retire from the Senate, be forced to go live on a tropical island somewhere?
With what they get paid? Yeah.
> Governor Pete Wilson decided that it wasn't safe to drive while speaking Spanish.
If you're going to try making a point to convince someone, don't say stupid shit like this. You could speak every language in the world and still have this happen to you. It's not Mexi-discrimination.
I don't care about immigration status either. If you can figure out what the signs mean (even if you can't read), you understand the laws (although translators should not be mandatory personnel at the DMV -- sorry, that's just wasted money), and you pass the tests, you should be able to drive. I would like to have the right to rent a car and drive while in Europe if I wanted, as long as I understand the laws.
Being more conservative than liberal, I feel like I have a preordained responsibility to be against immigrants, but I really don't give half a shit what they do. They should have every right to go anywhere in the world that they want, just as I want that right. Just because someone says "the U.S. stops here & Mexico starts here," it does not mean it is right.
> What do you mean, "other?"
Christ, get a dictionary, Clinton. it's not like we're asking you to define "is."
> they would have to perform a major code review to clean everything up.
I know to take everything MS says at face value, but isn't that what they claim to be doing now?
He can even julienne fries! How much would YOU expect to pay for this WONDERFUL technology!?!?!? 5 Billion? 2 Billion??? 25 Cents????
You: Yes, I've RtFTC, [...] but I don't see anything there that is applicable to Internet worms
:( He doesn't have to put up with this shit."
10 Comm: 2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Now, me: "God Damn it! There's ANOTHER GOD DAMN worm loose, taking my servers to a crawl! Who do I have to smite to stop this crap?"
10C: 3. Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day.
Me: "Man, I hate coming in Sundays to fix these stupid PCs."
10C: 5. Thou shalt not kill.
Me: "If I ever catch the sonofabitch who wrote this thing..."
10C: 10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods.
Me: "Jimmy, next door, just got a brand new Mac.
There you go. Not perfect, but you said "even the wildest metaphorical stretch." FYI, These are from the Catholic version of the 10 C's.
> I just hope my point is taken about it doesn't have to be viewed as a religious symbol.
When it includes "Thou shalt have no God above me," that pretty much limits it to religion. If those kinds of things weren't on it, I wouldn't care. Unfortunately, with that one line, it should not be displayed on public property.
> I'm not a US citizen myself but
This isn't an insult/attack, but that is plainly obvious, considering what follows.
> the majority of Americans believe that you cannot be a good person if you don't believe in [...] God.
Wherever you read that is lieing or misinformed. The majority of Americans don't care what religion you are. I've been an atheist for about 6 years, and have no problem telling anyone this and have never received a negative reply, or any indication that I'm a bad person. I even live in a relatively religious state, far, FAR, from liberal, but still have no problems.
> it seems that many lawmakers (and almost all corporations)
I apologize for my automatic anti-corporate statement. Of course probably the only corporations who care about this are movie studios & producers, etc, and "almost all corporations" don't give half a shit what DeCSS is at all.