> DeCSS don't make illegal copies of other people's work - people do.
Absolutely, I agree with that. Unfortunately, however, it seems that many lawmakers (and almost all corporations) intentionally look past the legitimate uses and assume everyone using it is a criminal.
> With your attitude, I'd rather you read that too.
Ummm. Okay? I don't get what you're trying to say, unless you are "Gobbles." Anyway, can you give any examples of Gobbles coming up with anything useful (on software people actually use) before any other major lists?
The fact is that your only argument has been "You ever see a child born addicted to meth?" When a weth lab was brought up. No one said anything about pregnant women until then. Of course responsibility does not end at the mother, I didn't say otherwise, but someone who knows someone who... should not be held responsible for the child being born addicted. They are held responsible for producing or distributing meth, which I don't agree with, but is law. I would never use meth, but if it were to be made in a safe (yeah, right) environment in proper conditions (ie, not putting anyone besides self at risk and disposing of the chemicals in the "proper" way, whatever that is) I don't see why he should go to jail... Also, of course, this assumes the customers are all legal adults able to choose for themselves.
> we as a society have declared it legal
No, the government has declared it legal. The people don't really have much say in things like that. FDA does its own thing, pretty much.
> By that account I guess we could sell tactical nuclear weapons on the open market and the only people to blame are those that use them
Big difference of scale there. Meth produced under the above conditions does not have the potential to wipe out a million people in seconds. Not to mention, the intended use of nuclear weapons is killing a lot of people. The intended use of meth is to get one person really fucked up (arguably, providing enjoyment) for a few hours, not take out a city.
> Toxic chemicals so foul and unstable they can blow a house up and require men in bunny suits to clean up after
Yes, and the reason that is the case is because it's illegal. If it were legal, it would be companies producing it and discarding the byproducts in what should be a safe manner (although experience teaches us otherwise). That is not the fault of the child, mother, or the scumbag selling it to a mother. The discarded toxic waste is the fault of the producer.
At risk of seeming soft, I don't think you're a dumbass any more: I think you're intentionally obstinant. A jump from dumbass to asshole, I suppose, but at least you're not dumb. And neither am I.
> Yeah, because it was so obvious that it was a joke...
So you ACTUALLY thought "slackjawedyokel" received subpoenas from SCO, RIAA, and DirectTV all in one week? When he stated he has nothing to do with the kernel?
> > I knew I shouldn't have used linux to download those movies through my satellite dish.
When something outrageous is claimed, followed by "I knew I shouldn't have..." it is usually a joke.
> That's a canard perpetrated by companies that don't want the US government to sign on to Kyoto
Sorry if I misunderstood your point or something, but the statement quoted above sounds like you were saying "The outright lies from companies are the only reason we haven't signed this wonderful treaty." And that is so totally political. BTW there was only one place (not "repeatedly") I outright called you an asshole. That was only after making the witty comeback of "I guess reading the article makes me an asshole," although the thing I was arguing wasn't even IN the article. Even without my persistence, your conclusion may be correct, as I have a rather biased opinion of myself:)
My exact words were: "Why is there always at least one asshole who makes every story political?"
That means that I think whoever brought it up is an asshole. If you weren't the one who brought up Kyoto, then that means it doen't apply to you, unless it was a joke and I made a mistake, which did not appear to be the case. However, I was of the belief that you were the one who brought it up, since there was no mention of Kyoto anywhere in the article itself.
> what EXACTLY are the intellectual challenges of refuse collection
Don't know about you, but I have met people who probably could not handle the intricacies of picking up trash. I'm surprised they can handle breathing consistently.
> on that note, we should also begin the process of abandoning Las Vegas, the Bahamas, and every other tourist destination that survives solely by... well, by being a tourist destination
The difference, in this case, is finding out after the fact that you thought you were one place, but were not. Like a tour bus took you to Las Vegas for the hookers, then you found out later that you were in Colorado instead. But I think that Las Vegas should be bombed.
Yeah, and that is such a quantitative value. The makers of DeCSS (may have) made it in good faith with simply the intent to watch movies in Linux. Then people use that in bad faith to rip movies. Who is at fault and how do you prove it? Take your own advice and THINK, troll. Not everything is black and white.
> An honest congressman - how the hell did you find one of them?
He didn't. Barney Frank is not totally honest. He may be much more honest than the average Congresscritter, and I give him 'props' for his stance on this issue, but just because his head is on tight this time does not mean that it isn't a mile up his ass other times.
> I think Linus and RMS have grounds to go after Darl et al personally for this.
Unless Darl McBride told his lawyers to subpoena L & R just to cause them problems or for PR (ie, he ordered malicious abuse of the jud. system specifically), they can't sue him personally. Only SCO.
> Did he meant to say Mormon, polygamist, inbreeding, redneck, 20 kid having people???
Hey! They're not all polygamists! And a few are sterile & can't have kids. Just wish more of them were. Had to set the record straight on the mostly polygamist, inbreeding, redneck, average-20-kid-having Mormons.
> why doesnt ibm, redhat, sgi, and hp just all get together and chip in some $$ and just buy SCO?
I'd like to see that just so they can fire everyone who works there without severance packages. THen when the new owners have all the evidence they need, they sue the old execs for all they are worth for misrepresenting the value of SCO when it was bought.
> GOBBLES, a fairly prominent if offbeat security research person/team frequently complains about censorship on bugtraq.
Offbeat? Gobbles: some 15 (might be 16 now) year-old kid who makes shit up and whines about everything. I've only had a few encounters with Gobbles, but about 50% was completely wrong, 25% was totally unreadable due to his inability to grasp the English language, and the rest were about software titles no one has heard of, or no one uses.
I'd rather read "Jim-Bob's Full Disclosure & Chicken Slaughtering Tips."
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> DeCSS don't make illegal copies of other people's work - people do.
Absolutely, I agree with that. Unfortunately, however, it seems that many lawmakers (and almost all corporations) intentionally look past the legitimate uses and assume everyone using it is a criminal.
> With your attitude, I'd rather you read that too.
Ummm. Okay? I don't get what you're trying to say, unless you are "Gobbles." Anyway, can you give any examples of Gobbles coming up with anything useful (on software people actually use) before any other major lists?
> I chose to take it seriously
:P
;)
Aha, there's your mistake. Never take anything seriously, especially me.
> pursuing possibilities of learning new interesting stuff
Good point, I would be interested in reading it as well. I wonder if they can be found elsewhere?
> In a way, I've been trolled, but I really don't care... Who hasn't
Yeah... I see trolls as just regular people.. They just aren't smart enough for an opinion, so they go for emotion.
> Responsibilty doesn't end at the mother.
The fact is that your only argument has been "You ever see a child born addicted to meth?" When a weth lab was brought up. No one said anything about pregnant women until then. Of course responsibility does not end at the mother, I didn't say otherwise, but someone who knows someone who... should not be held responsible for the child being born addicted. They are held responsible for producing or distributing meth, which I don't agree with, but is law. I would never use meth, but if it were to be made in a safe (yeah, right) environment in proper conditions (ie, not putting anyone besides self at risk and disposing of the chemicals in the "proper" way, whatever that is) I don't see why he should go to jail... Also, of course, this assumes the customers are all legal adults able to choose for themselves.
> we as a society have declared it legal
No, the government has declared it legal. The people don't really have much say in things like that. FDA does its own thing, pretty much.
> By that account I guess we could sell tactical nuclear weapons on the open market and the only people to blame are those that use them
Big difference of scale there. Meth produced under the above conditions does not have the potential to wipe out a million people in seconds. Not to mention, the intended use of nuclear weapons is killing a lot of people. The intended use of meth is to get one person really fucked up (arguably, providing enjoyment) for a few hours, not take out a city.
> Toxic chemicals so foul and unstable they can blow a house up and require men in bunny suits to clean up after
Yes, and the reason that is the case is because it's illegal. If it were legal, it would be companies producing it and discarding the byproducts in what should be a safe manner (although experience teaches us otherwise). That is not the fault of the child, mother, or the scumbag selling it to a mother. The discarded toxic waste is the fault of the producer.
At risk of seeming soft, I don't think you're a dumbass any more: I think you're intentionally obstinant. A jump from dumbass to asshole, I suppose, but at least you're not dumb. And neither am I.
> Yeah, because it was so obvious that it was a joke...
So you ACTUALLY thought "slackjawedyokel" received subpoenas from SCO, RIAA, and DirectTV all in one week? When he stated he has nothing to do with the kernel?
> > I knew I shouldn't have used linux to download those movies through my satellite dish.
When something outrageous is claimed, followed by "I knew I shouldn't have..." it is usually a joke.
> That's a canard perpetrated by companies that don't want the US government to sign on to Kyoto
:)
Sorry if I misunderstood your point or something, but the statement quoted above sounds like you were saying "The outright lies from companies are the only reason we haven't signed this wonderful treaty." And that is so totally political. BTW there was only one place (not "repeatedly") I outright called you an asshole. That was only after making the witty comeback of "I guess reading the article makes me an asshole," although the thing I was arguing wasn't even IN the article. Even without my persistence, your conclusion may be correct, as I have a rather biased opinion of myself
My exact words were: "Why is there always at least one asshole who makes every story political?"
That means that I think whoever brought it up is an asshole. If you weren't the one who brought up Kyoto, then that means it doen't apply to you, unless it was a joke and I made a mistake, which did not appear to be the case. However, I was of the belief that you were the one who brought it up, since there was no mention of Kyoto anywhere in the article itself.
> Do I sound curmudgeonly?
Nope, except for the Genesis I bought last year, the last console I owned was a NES. 8-bit should be damn well good enough for anyone!
> what EXACTLY are the intellectual challenges of refuse collection
Don't know about you, but I have met people who probably could not handle the intricacies of picking up trash. I'm surprised they can handle breathing consistently.
> on that note, we should also begin the process of abandoning Las Vegas, the Bahamas, and every other tourist destination that survives solely by ... well, by being a tourist destination
The difference, in this case, is finding out after the fact that you thought you were one place, but were not. Like a tour bus took you to Las Vegas for the hookers, then you found out later that you were in Colorado instead. But I think that Las Vegas should be bombed.
> In Denmark we have something called faith.
Yeah, and that is such a quantitative value. The makers of DeCSS (may have) made it in good faith with simply the intent to watch movies in Linux. Then people use that in bad faith to rip movies. Who is at fault and how do you prove it? Take your own advice and THINK, troll. Not everything is black and white.
Controlled by congress, I'm an idiot. Of course, I meant controlled by corporations. Damn I can't even troll well.
> What does it take to get the DMCA repealed?
A techno-literate congress that isn't controlled by congress and actually serves the people instead of God Money.
> 5. Gollum (nee Trahald)
Please excuse my possible ignorance, but Gollum wasn't a Hobbit, correct? He was a Tree/Forest sprite or some crap like that.
> It's not rewritable
Just like CDs weren't rewritable, but they make them now. Given some time it could possibly be done.
> (C) 1999 Thomas Valone, M.A., P.E.
Yeah, I'm going to trust the mathematical expertise of someone with a Master of Arts in Physical Education! Geesh!
> WHY THE HELL ARE THEY SENDING SUBPOENAS TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET?!?!?
I wouldn't consider California the other side of the planet. They act like it, but they are not.
> An honest congressman - how the hell did you find one of them?
He didn't. Barney Frank is not totally honest. He may be much more honest than the average Congresscritter, and I give him 'props' for his stance on this issue, but just because his head is on tight this time does not mean that it isn't a mile up his ass other times.
> I think Linus and RMS have grounds to go after Darl et al personally for this.
Unless Darl McBride told his lawyers to subpoena L & R just to cause them problems or for PR (ie, he ordered malicious abuse of the jud. system specifically), they can't sue him personally. Only SCO.
> recieve a FREE Linux license, a $700 value, yours absolutely free!
I'll ignore the name misspelling and point out a more egregious error. "$700 value?" Actually, $700 is the price, there is no "value" in.
> I was just thinking that anything [OCG] post to Slashdot is getting kind of boring and old.
> But hey, that's just me.
Nope, it's not just you, it's me too.
> We do have "instant-on" computers.
Yeah, instant-on is easy. Getting them to do something useful "instantly" is much, much, harder.
> Could you please post the content of these subpoenas somewhere
I think there needs to be a FAQ on identifying humor.
> Did he meant to say Mormon, polygamist, inbreeding, redneck, 20 kid having people???
Hey! They're not all polygamists! And a few are sterile & can't have kids. Just wish more of them were. Had to set the record straight on the mostly polygamist, inbreeding, redneck, average-20-kid-having Mormons.
> why doesnt ibm, redhat, sgi, and hp just all get together and chip in some $$ and just buy SCO?
I'd like to see that just so they can fire everyone who works there without severance packages. THen when the new owners have all the evidence they need, they sue the old execs for all they are worth for misrepresenting the value of SCO when it was bought.
How'd you guess I'm not a Lawyer?
> GOBBLES, a fairly prominent if offbeat security research person/team frequently complains about censorship on bugtraq.
Offbeat?
Gobbles: some 15 (might be 16 now) year-old kid who makes shit up and whines about everything. I've only had a few encounters with Gobbles, but about 50% was completely wrong, 25% was totally unreadable due to his inability to grasp the English language, and the rest were about software titles no one has heard of, or no one uses.
I'd rather read "Jim-Bob's Full Disclosure & Chicken Slaughtering Tips."