Yes I do. I was talking about that crashing crap that they call 1.0 release of Gnome. And about the reason it only aquired bugs in 0.99 series - inadequate language and toolkit for UI programming.
It does not take much to see it crash. Even a single "cancel" crash should be debugged before this thing sees the light of the day. It was all about publicity and LinuxWorld. Egomaniacs. Shame.
Are you a moron? It is about so called 1.0 release. It is out for two days.
This "release" is about on par in quality with Windows 2.0. Only file manager is worse than that, otherwise - about the same in stability.
Yes, it used to work a bit better around 0.2 - 0.3 version.
The horrible hack of implementing UI in a non OO language IS doable, of course. But it will be crash prone. Hackers will be busy, user will suffer. People just don't get that there is such thing as "fast enough" when dealing with human interaction, and the overhead for good OO structure is well worth it.
looking better? It crashed on me in an hour more than my home Win 98 in a year.. And, yes, I know how to install things. KDE 1.1 never crashed on me so far.
...installation is a nightmare, and it just keep fucking crushing. cleaned it up as good as i can, and returned to KDE 1.1... I have nothing against Gnome. But the Gnome is far, far from 1.0. 0.45 I would say. Developers should be ashamed of themselves.
Use KDE 1.1... - it IS stable, unlike Gnome
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... do not worry about language bindings - swing will match look and feel (including system colors) very well.
Actually, I noticed that 97 is MUCH improved. File size sometimes 10 times smaller,especially for PowerPoint (hate it, but thats how people around keep their presentations, have to go their and use it). They promise XML-like thingy for 2000, maybe even get decent. Mother fuckers. Everybody will have to upgrade just to stay compatible. Well, unless they screw XML real bad, that should be not so terrible anymore. Office is not a bad product at all, IMO. I love Excel VBA for quick calculations. Would be thrilled to have it under Linux. Well, considering how bad X looks, maybe not. Still prefer to boot NT for wordprocessing. Will they ever make X fonts look decent?
...yeah, we installed it. It could not imprt a single Word 97 document people send us. Though it claims compatibility. Dual boot for us for a while...;(
If you are reach enough to by commercial Qt library, then you can make your application to compile under Linux and Windows without any change and with a consistent and very pleasant look and feel. But this is, of course, for your future development, not for the port from MFC. Qt is much nicer to use than MFC. Download the free version and try. Commercial version includes some sort of OpenGL support - know nothing about it.
no what? You did not forget, or it is not case sensitive.. Man, you have too much free time I see, for all your bragging. (well, I have an excuse, my code is running in the background... third month of this debugging hell;( )
BTW, my NT boxes do not crush as well. Besides that horrible memory leak in SP4, but it was fixed, thank you MS. Until users decide to go and add/change anything. Then there applications screw up system libraries all over the place - and there is no fucking way, short of a clean uninstall/reinstall to fix the mess. Then it works again tip top, indeed. Sheesh. Ease of use, mother fuckers. Yeah, once my thesis is over I can go and earn some money for what I am volunteered here to do...(NT desktop and application support for a research group) - if I can not find a respectable job of course.. People pay for this crap. It is still crap.
You asked for a database application example that NT cannot handle. Take a look at our stuff. (I am not with this directly, my friends are). If you say NT can handle that in any form - you are a bloody liar, who have no clue what he is talking about. Of course Linux is far from it as well, Solaris is used on mainframe level hardware. But Linux makes a good client.
no what? You did not forget, or it is not case sensitive.. Man, you have too much free time I see, for all your bragging. (well, I have an excuse, my code is running in the background... third month of this debugging hell;( )
BTW, my NT boxes do not crush as well. Besides that horrible memory leak in SP4, but it was fixed, thank you MS. Until users decide to go and add/change anything. Then there applications screw up system libraries all over the place - and there is no fucking way, short of a clean uninstall/reinstall to fix the mess. Then it works again tip top, indeed. Sheesh. Ease of use, mother fuckers. Yeah, once my thesis is over I can go and earn some money for what I am volunteered here to do...(NT desktop and application support for a research group) - if I can not find a respectable job of course.. People pay for this crap. It is still crap.
Send you? What's your E-mail? Where did you install your bug-free solutions? Are you sure they will just upgrade your solution to Win2K and it will just work? Liar. Moron.
you IS a moron!? Well, I see that you have your english down pretty well
Why should I? I am Russian. And I did not bother proofreading a stupid flame post;)
They may be proprietary. But they work like nothing else
Correct. It can be very good to solve the problem NOW. We use VxWorks for our project - not Linux. I was talking about long term reliability of your code, and portability. Hardware does change. Your goal do change. With a proprietory system - there is no guarantee it will be ported. People still buy awfully overpriced VAX boxes. If it was an open system - it could have been ported to cheaper hardware. And so on. Yes, buying a good proprietory system to solve some project right now is a very good solution. Just be aware that in the long run you can overpay thru your nose.
Ooh, how intelligent. You must be a tall, handsome super programmer? Now, go look into mirror. No, do not pull in you belly. Ugly, aren't you? And you, anonymous coward, is a moron as well.
If QNX is so good, why is it so that Linux has 10 million users, while QNX is limited to a niche market? Whatever its quality - it will never succeed, and never will be a reliable future investment. If you need your code to run now, on one particular system, fine. Want to be sure it compiles and runs 15 years from now. Use non-proprietory system.
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You are a paranoid maniac. Go get some laxative, double dose, and stop spitting your stupid crap all over the internet.
... And it is not slow. I use it on P166, and
on PII450, and both just fine, thank you.
At the very least it does not crash and kill my work like Gnome just did this morning, when I tried this 1.0 thing. Gee, Windows 2.0 was more stable.
Yes I do. I was talking about that crashing crap that they call 1.0 release of Gnome. And about the reason it only aquired bugs in 0.99 series - inadequate language and toolkit for UI programming.
i can do OO in assembly
Yes, you can. And that's what you deserve. And that's what will lead to crappy, buggy software releases.
Get a life, anonymous .
in hof...
...that's a lot of comments....
It does not take much to see it crash. Even a single "cancel" crash should be debugged before this thing sees the light of the day.
It was all about publicity and LinuxWorld. Egomaniacs. Shame.
I am running it (and have been for months)
Are you a moron? It is about so called 1.0 release. It is out for two days.
This "release" is about on par in quality with Windows 2.0. Only file manager is worse than that, otherwise - about the same in stability.
Yes, it used to work a bit better around 0.2 - 0.3 version.
The horrible hack of implementing UI in a non OO language IS doable, of course. But it will be crash prone. Hackers will be busy, user will suffer.
People just don't get that there is such thing as "fast enough" when dealing with human interaction, and the overhead for good OO structure is well worth it.
looking better? It crashed on me in an hour more than my home Win 98 in a year..
And, yes, I know how to install things.
KDE 1.1 never crashed on me so far.
..gnome crashes worse than Win 98 anyway..
..It is a MS plot to descredit Linux..
...installation is a nightmare, and it just keep fucking crushing.
cleaned it up as good as i can, and returned to KDE 1.1...
I have nothing against Gnome. But the Gnome is far, far from 1.0. 0.45 I would say.
Developers should be ashamed of themselves.
... do not worry about language bindings - swing will match look and feel (including system colors) very well.
... All linux world will look silly..
... KDE. Big improvement.
And wait for 2.0 Qt based.. At the time when Gnome
guy finally get rid of all grave bugs it will be here.
...when my RedHat install works?
Actually, I noticed that 97 is MUCH improved. File size sometimes 10 times smaller,especially for PowerPoint (hate it, but thats how people around keep their presentations, have to go their and use it). They promise XML-like thingy for 2000, maybe even get decent. Mother fuckers. Everybody will have to upgrade just to stay compatible.
Well, unless they screw XML real bad, that should be not so terrible anymore.
Office is not a bad product at all, IMO. I love Excel VBA for quick calculations. Would be thrilled to have it under Linux.
Well, considering how bad X looks, maybe not. Still prefer to boot NT for wordprocessing.
Will they ever make X fonts look decent?
95 can read 97. download a filter
...yeah, we installed it. It could not imprt a single Word 97 document people send us. Though it claims compatibility. Dual boot for us for a while... ;(
..i should try one
If you are reach enough to by commercial Qt library, then you can make your application to compile under Linux and Windows without any change and with a consistent and very pleasant look and feel. But this is, of course, for your future development, not for the port from MFC.
Qt is much nicer to use than MFC. Download the free version and try. Commercial version includes some sort of OpenGL support - know nothing about it.
no what? You did not forget, or it is not case sensitive.. ;( )
Man, you have too much free time I see, for all your bragging. (well, I have an excuse, my code is running in the background... third month of this debugging hell
BTW, my NT boxes do not crush as well. Besides that horrible memory leak in SP4, but it was fixed, thank you MS. Until users decide to go and add/change anything. Then there applications screw up system libraries all over the place - and there is no fucking way, short of a clean uninstall/reinstall to fix the mess. Then it works again tip top, indeed. Sheesh. Ease of use, mother fuckers. Yeah, once my thesis is over I can go and earn some money for what I am volunteered here to do...(NT desktop and application support for a research group) - if I can not find a respectable job of course.. People pay for this crap. It is still crap.
You asked for a database application example that NT cannot handle. Take a look at our stuff. (I am not with this directly, my friends are). If you say NT can handle that in any form - you are a bloody liar, who have no clue what he is talking about. Of course Linux is far from it as well, Solaris is used on mainframe level hardware. But Linux makes a good client.
no what? You did not forget, or it is not case sensitive.. ;( )
Man, you have too much free time I see, for all your bragging. (well, I have an excuse, my code is running in the background... third month of this debugging hell
BTW, my NT boxes do not crush as well. Besides that horrible memory leak in SP4, but it was fixed, thank you MS. Until users decide to go and add/change anything. Then there applications screw up system libraries all over the place - and there is no fucking way, short of a clean uninstall/reinstall to fix the mess. Then it works again tip top, indeed. Sheesh. Ease of use, mother fuckers. Yeah, once my thesis is over I can go and earn some money for what I am volunteered here to do...(NT desktop and application support for a research group) - if I can not find a respectable job of course.. People pay for this crap. It is still crap.
You asked for a database application example that NT cannot handle. Take a look at our stuff. (I am not with this directly, my friends are). If you say NT can handle that in any form - you are a bloody liar, who have no clue what he is talking about. Of course Linux is far from it as well, Solaris is used on mainframe level hardware. But Linux makes a good client.
-- Maybe you forgot it is case sensitive?
Send me the design spec
Send you? What's your E-mail? Where did you install your bug-free solutions? Are you sure they will just upgrade your solution to Win2K and it will just work? Liar. Moron.
you IS a moron!? Well, I see that you have your english down pretty well
;)
Why should I? I am Russian. And I did not bother proofreading a stupid flame post
They may be proprietary. But they work like nothing else
Correct. It can be very good to solve the problem NOW. We use VxWorks for our project - not Linux.
I was talking about long term reliability of your code, and portability. Hardware does change. Your goal do change. With a proprietory system - there is no guarantee it will be ported. People still buy awfully overpriced VAX boxes. If it was an open system - it could have been ported to cheaper hardware. And so on.
Yes, buying a good proprietory system to solve some project right now is a very good solution. Just be aware that in the long run you can overpay thru your nose.
Ooh, how intelligent. You must be a tall, handsome super programmer? Now, go look into mirror. No, do not pull in you belly. Ugly, aren't you? And you, anonymous coward, is a moron as well.
If QNX is so good, why is it so that Linux has 10 million users, while QNX is limited to a niche market? Whatever its quality - it will never succeed, and never will be a reliable future investment. If you need your code to run now, on one particular system, fine. Want to be sure it compiles and runs 15 years from now. Use non-proprietory system.