I have a hard time believing either.
You need to talk to some of the universities faculaty more. Of course there is no official quota - but just look how well it is tracked and what amount of stink and fuss is raised if it drops.
Yes, I do no for a fact that it was used to promote otherwise underqualified applicants. Who, do you think, did not get a position?
Do not be naive. All this issue is abused to the extreme - just watch how they are on this guys ass - some people smell an ability to make a visible fuss, some smell promotions.
They have definitely run into non-subtle discouragement in the science world. As I said - they were quite aware of the fact.
In fact, one of those women would be my mother, who is a Professor in a top university. Or my office mate, who is a Ph.D. in Physics. A quite good looking I should say.
They are not discouraged - they know what is the science behind those statements. It is a simple cold fact - repeat after me: women are not as proficient in many kinds of abstract thinking. Just like males are not proficient in any other kind thinking.
What part of that beeing a valid statistic and a fact of human psychoogy do not you understand?
Tenure? Males can not get tenure just as well. Do you know how they feel when some underqualified arrogant lady gets ahead of them using some "quotas" and political pressure? It does happen. That is as big part of the problem as "discouragement".
Well, you were the one claiming to be pissed that she couldn't do pullups
I am pissed because she climbs better then I do, while not beeing even able to do a pull up.
No, discouragement is not the issue. Imagine that nobody told women that they can not run as fast, or hit as hard. So there are no women leagues or separate competitions. That would be discouraging.
I new quite a few female scientists - they were quite aware of the facts beeing discussed (cause they were much smarter then those moaning bitches who are upset with the story). They were not discouraged at all.
I find this quote interesting: "women seem to have an advantage in dry heat."
Not only that, but women endurance in general is far superior. Look at adventure racers. Women kick ass in most teams - though they are harder to find as it is not popular. But they usually can not navigate.:)
But it is all beside the point. The point is that significant differences exist, and it is absolutely normal to acknoledge that. And like many people pointed out - this is just the third, worst type of lying - statistics. Use it appropriately.
Yeah, and in other news women have weak arms. I guess all the feminists should be all over that fact. How could I suggest that women are weaker.
How about there is no gender categories on the next Olympics? No women leagues? Let them compete directly.
P.S. My wife can climb circles around me while rockclimbing, and she can not even do one pull-up. While I do a one hand pull ups. I am rather pissed about that.
He cited scientific research, and those dumb feminist bitches who could not study science so they went for gender studies class are howling.
Why do not they show a study that disproves that instead? And what is the big deal with beeing bad in math? Women are better in many other areas - from physical endurance, to languages. Why nobody cares about that?
Uhhh....it looks a hell of a lot bigger than 4.1 meters wide
Just compare it to the height of railings (for people) in the picture. Looks exactly 4.1 meters.
Here's where you may be showing your age/inexperience.
I wish I was young enough for not being in FORTRAN/C/C++/ObjC land for many years. Unfortunately I am far from a rookie. You may be very well using some of standards and products I helped to develop.
You have it OK as you are on Windows desktop.
Yes, sitting within Microsoft does works for great many. On several of my jobs we could not (enterprise wide applications) and it was a tremendous pain in the behind.
But, whether you believe me or not, Java (and C# for that matter) do bring productivity gains over C++.
Portable? Maintainable? How often you needed to redistirbute all libraries due to incomaptible ABI changes in your C++ compiler?
Allow me to laugh in you face. Ha ha ha.
Now it felt better.
CORBA, you say? Pthreads? Real programmers?
Cool. Whatever you say, real programmer.
P.S. I did code in C++ while people were still using FORTRAN. Still do. DO not miss when I do not.
but point out that it won't buy us anything, such as additional capabilities.
What do you do? What threading/GUI/networking/DB/utilities (such as regex) libraries do you use?
What development environment / automated testing/build environment?
In each of this areas Java will bring rather larger productivity gains. It is not just code. It is things like automated testing frameworks, ANT, 3rd party libraries working much more reliably.
I am not a big fan of Java, but our team migrated to it and advanatages are numerous and fairly obvious. It is quite possible, though, you do not care about any of it.
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Yes, I do no for a fact that it was used to promote otherwise underqualified applicants. Who, do you think, did not get a position?
Do not be naive. All this issue is abused to the extreme - just watch how they are on this guys ass - some people smell an ability to make a visible fuss, some smell promotions.
It is NOT gender blind - one way or another.
Correction of unfair reverse discrimination that lead to promotion of underqulaified female applicant that occured in the past?
In fact, one of those women would be my mother, who is a Professor in a top university. Or my office mate, who is a Ph.D. in Physics. A quite good looking I should say.
They are not discouraged - they know what is the science behind those statements. It is a simple cold fact - repeat after me: women are not as proficient in many kinds of abstract thinking. Just like males are not proficient in any other kind thinking.
What part of that beeing a valid statistic and a fact of human psychoogy do not you understand?
Tenure? Males can not get tenure just as well. Do you know how they feel when some underqualified arrogant lady gets ahead of them using some "quotas" and political pressure? It does happen. That is as big part of the problem as "discouragement".
Thank you for advice. I must not be knowing what I am doing in 15 years of active climbing. Still, I can only outclimb her in an offwidth.
I am pissed because she climbs better then I do, while not beeing even able to do a pull up.
No, discouragement is not the issue. Imagine that nobody told women that they can not run as fast, or hit as hard. So there are no women leagues or separate competitions. That would be discouraging.
I new quite a few female scientists - they were quite aware of the facts beeing discussed (cause they were much smarter then those moaning bitches who are upset with the story). They were not discouraged at all.
Not only that, but women endurance in general is far superior. Look at adventure racers. Women kick ass in most teams - though they are harder to find as it is not popular. But they usually can not navigate. :)
But it is all beside the point. The point is that significant differences exist, and it is absolutely normal to acknoledge that. And like many people pointed out - this is just the third, worst type of lying - statistics. Use it appropriately.
See my point? Even our moderators are brainwashed.
Yeah, and in other news women have weak arms. I guess all the feminists should be all over that fact. How could I suggest that women are weaker.
How about there is no gender categories on the next Olympics? No women leagues? Let them compete directly.
P.S. My wife can climb circles around me while rockclimbing, and she can not even do one pull-up. While I do a one hand pull ups. I am rather pissed about that.
He cited scientific research, and those dumb feminist bitches who could not study science so they went for gender studies class are howling.
Why do not they show a study that disproves that instead?
And what is the big deal with beeing bad in math? Women are better in many other areas - from physical endurance, to languages. Why nobody cares about that?
Bulcrap, and you must be an asshole. It is not a violation of a copyright to cite an image in a conversation. It is called fair use.
Did Slashdot decide to suck all the bandwidth for a year from a poor Russian site?
Maple and Mathematica are the only ones worth mentioning.
And what did Pepsi say in return?
"As if we care".
Just compare Pepsi vs Coca Cola stock price
Uhhh....it looks a hell of a lot bigger than 4.1 meters wide
Just compare it to the height of railings (for people) in the picture. Looks exactly 4.1 meters.
What do you smoke and where I can buy it? How ironic.
They just may call Bubba to press a hot iron into your anus.
No. I design quite different stuff.
Here's where you may be showing your age/inexperience.
I wish I was young enough for not being in FORTRAN/C/C++/ObjC land for many years. Unfortunately I am far from a rookie. You may be very well using some of standards and products I helped to develop.
You have it OK as you are on Windows desktop. Yes, sitting within Microsoft does works for great many. On several of my jobs we could not (enterprise wide applications) and it was a tremendous pain in the behind.
But, whether you believe me or not, Java (and C# for that matter) do bring productivity gains over C++.
You are indeed do not know what you are talking about. JRockit supports 64 bit addressing just fine. http://www.devx.com/Intel/Article/17457
CAD systems: I am not familiar with those
Indeed.
image encoders/decoders/editors: Image encoders/decoders are typically very small projects - small enough to write in C or other low-level languages.
Tried to implement MPEG4 compliant system lately? Or Photoshop for that matter?
Dude, I love Python, but what are you smoking? Must be good stuff.
Allow me to laugh in you face. Ha ha ha.
Now it felt better.
CORBA, you say? Pthreads? Real programmers?
Cool. Whatever you say, real programmer.
P.S. I did code in C++ while people were still using FORTRAN. Still do. DO not miss when I do not.
but point out that it won't buy us anything, such as additional capabilities.
What do you do? What threading/GUI/networking/DB/utilities (such as regex) libraries do you use?
What development environment / automated testing /build environment?
In each of this areas Java will bring rather larger productivity gains. It is not just code. It is things like automated testing frameworks, ANT, 3rd party libraries working much more reliably.
I am not a big fan of Java, but our team migrated to it and advanatages are numerous and fairly obvious. It is quite possible, though, you do not care about any of it.
It was not a flaimbait. It was a statement of fact.
The 32 bit space & allocation limits of the JVM
I must have been dreaming running JRockit on Itanium. Or, much more likely, you do not know what you are talking about.
Java beats pants off C# on 64 bit. Java does not depend on the good will of Sun as long as folks like IBM, Oracle, BEA etc are around.