I don't think the machine was built for quiet, I think liquid cooling was used to get more cooling (and this more overclockability) than fan cooling alone would. The machine was built for speed, not noise reduction. Otherwise, why would there be so many fans in addition to the liquid cooling?
From TFA:
We asked Puget what its goals were in building this thing and, perhaps more important, what was their customer hoping to get out of it. They answered with the following:
"Our client came to us with a need we hear often: he wanted a high performance machine, but wanted it quiet. Of course, "quiet" is a subjective term...
As a former enthusiast in the liquid and vapor phase-change cooling market, I can point out a multitude of things gone wrong here.
1) Single Cooling Loop - with 4 quad-core processors, this machine could net much better bang-for-the-decibel out of a dual loop system - one loop handling one pair of processors, second loop handling the other pair. Optimally speaking, a quad-loop system (individual loops per processor) would net even better results.
2) Video cards have fans, too! - Find yourself a video card that uses cooling pipes or similar technology, rather than fans. Those little fans spinning really fast make _LOTS_ of noise.
3) Speaking of noise - WD300 Raptors? Congrats, you just put the noisiest modern hard drives in a machine "built to be quiet" - if no expense was to be spared, why is this thing not outfitted with Solid State Disks???
4) Problems with the liquid - in addition to number one above, the reservoir is mounted at the bottom of the case? That's an amateur mistake right there. Reservoir at top of case = any air infiltration gets trapped at the reservoir. Additionally, the "angled barbs" are 90-degree bends - not exactly what you want in a low-flow system, backpressure is going to kill that pump, or at least cause it to whine incessantly, even at lower flow settings.
5) PSU - Corsair HX 1000W PSU - why not a PC Power and Cooling ultra-quiet unit, or a SilenX-modded solid cap PSU? Instead, they opt for a PSU rated at 57dBm?
Amateur job, Puget, very amateur. If anyone feels the need to build a super-quiet box, they really should shop around and look into these type of issue, or suffer sever disappointment.
Sun's hardware is already prohibitively expensive, how much will options like this add to the price of hardware? When I can order up a pair 4U boxen from any competitor that each have the same hardware specifications as a single box from Sun, what does this buy me besides simplified wiring/management, and the ability to run Solaris?
I guess I'm one in 600+Million then... When you've got a big fat pipe and a couple thousand CDs in your collection, you quickly find that.torrent is a LOT faster than swapping discs through the ripping machine. If it matters at all, this is a consequence of my earlier work as a DJ - over 3500 CDs spread through almost a dozen CD books that each have slots for 512 discs.
Could be worse, at least they're not watching soaps from the Philippines. Do yourself a favor and subscribe to any Pinoy channel on cable/dish networks, it's nothing but 24/7 soap operas (and as a bonus, usually in English instead of Tagalog!)
So this is a miniaturization of the peltier effect, with the upside of supercooling one side of the film, but how do you extract the heat from the opposite side of the film? Without a large surface area and volume, liquid-cooling the opposite side may not suffice for thermal transfer...
I see what you did there, a crack at FEMA. Bloody brilliant, if not entirely rooted in fact.
I'm pretty sure there's folks who were on the ground on day one who would disagree with you, including myself (No, I do not work for FEMA, but I am a Federal Employee, and made the trip down as soon as it became apparent that things were worse than expected). That said, I won't resort to calling your post flamebait, or anything else of the sort, even though I agree it is disappointing that certain executive officials may not have necessarily respond with the alacrity that the situation called for. In the meantime, please don't downplay the role myself and other volunteers played in search and rescue operations, as well as recovery efforts in the months after (both physical and economic).
Thanks
Posted with "No Karma Bonus" modifier, but not anonymous, so you can dig through my comment history and maybe glean who I do work for from there...
I can attest that this ^^ is fact - my phone has 4 lines on it - 3 in direct order, plus the emergency services line. I got 3 phone calls within 3 seconds of each other, from the same "OMEGA GRP" fake caller ID, ringing my lines in order, followed a few minutes later by the emergency services line fiasco.
Call and ask to speak to Herman Moore (the head of customer relations). Let him know that you received an unsolicited call regarding vehicle warranties, and that you'd like the calls to stop. He'll give you the (866) "opt-out" number that digitcom uses.
A little google-fu, followed by a quick call to the FCC (amazing how responsive they are when an auto-dialer hits an emergency services number!) and an hour later, got a call back with the provider's number. Please note, though, that filing a complaint with the FCC and receiving this type of service is only available for a designated "Emergency Services" number (1 number out of the block of 1,000 that I manage). They check the facts of the case, so don't just call and complain every time you get an unsolicited call on your home phone number.
Sorry about the delayed response. I talked to their "Customer Service" manager - Herman Moore. He assured me that in order to stop receiving the calls, all I would have to do was call some (866) number, and give them one number per call (I manage a block of 1,000 numbers for this building, I'm not about to call that 866 number a thousand times...)
I had these assclowns call the emergency services number at my work with their auto-dialer. That number rings to a ton of desks and is SUPPOSED to spread info about a medical emergency in the building. It took a good bit of google-fu to track them via their spoofed caller ID.
You're looking for:
Digitcom Services, Inc.
12923 Venice Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90066
Phone (310) 358-7000
TollFree(800) 464-5446
Fax (310) 437-4105
Please note: I am not posting this so you can pester, annoy, harass, or threaten them. If you call, call once, speak to their manager, and politely let them know what you think about their business practices. What you do with this is up to you, I hold no responsibilty for the actions of others.
Thanks NYCL, to the point and as little legalese as possible. You've done more for the reputation of lawyers everywhere than any person I've ever met before.
Modbomb indeed. But I'll bite anyway.
1) Ripping off artists is not okay. Ripping off the cartel that's been ripping us off for decades is.
2) You ever try releasing a multi-national multi-hundred-thousand-pressing album without a distribution arm? Not as easy as it sounds, and it doesn't sound easy.
3) Not at all. Any group attempting to stop piracy by going after dead people, people without computers, and so forth, are evilly harassing innocents. Any group going after the -ACTUAL- pirates (profiting from selling bootlegs, etc...) are, well, not making headlines unfortunately.
4) Yours and my definition of piracy must differ. I torrent an album of (not distributed in the US, oddly enough) music (leeching all the way). If I don't like it, I delete it. If I do like it, I find a way to make the purchase. My local mail carrier asked if I keep track of the countries I receive packages from, which I do, and so far I've bought music out of almost every country in Europe (though not France or Spain just yet...)
In conclusion, get ready for the Modstick, because I almost didnt reply to this, thinking it was flamebait at first. Now I think it's just astroturfing on the part of MediaSentry or whatever they may be calling themselves now, because if you were trying to turf for the RIAA, I don't think you would've been able to spell "artists" (sub:slaves), much less a $2 word like "oppressive"...
but, but... that would require leaving the basement! The light, it burnsss usssss *hiss*
But seriously, there are a couple places to listen to live music near me, just none of them happen to book bands that I'd consider worth hearing. You ever try to find a good Northern-European Death Metal Concert in the Washington, DC area? Closest we've had was Amon Amarth doing an unannounced show at the 9:30 club last December (they didn't even bother posting the tour date on their official website until a week after they played!)
I'm not questioning motives, more looking for a press release or statement, or something to that effect, detailing why she gave up the fight when things had turned to her favor. I know firsthand the emotional and financial burden of being the target of a multi-(dollars earned per lifetime) dollar lawsuit from a car accident in my younger years. I also know that if the offer to settle for a couple thousand dollars was presented to me when I finished thrashing the suit of the plaintiff, I would've used that as yet more damning evidence that "Now they think their (pain and suffering/intellectual property loss) is only worth $X,000 instead of $Y,000,000...."
I guess what I'm asking for here is not "I think they settled because of abc" but rather from the horses mouth (so to speak), "I settled because of xyz.
With the decision on the table here presented in one neat little package (PDF? bleh), we're getting _less than_ half the story.
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Yes, typo, meant to be severe. Nested quotes FTW, by the way
Now if I could only purchase bedding from them...
http://www.neweggmall.com/ Looks like today's your lucky day =oD
I stand corrected! Thanks for the input, as I said above, it's been awhile since I built systems, so this is great news on the war on noise =oD
E
From TFA:
We asked Puget what its goals were in building this thing and, perhaps more important, what was their customer hoping to get out of it. They answered with the following:
"Our client came to us with a need we hear often: he wanted a high performance machine, but wanted it quiet. Of course, "quiet" is a subjective term...
1) Single Cooling Loop - with 4 quad-core processors, this machine could net much better bang-for-the-decibel out of a dual loop system - one loop handling one pair of processors, second loop handling the other pair. Optimally speaking, a quad-loop system (individual loops per processor) would net even better results.
2) Video cards have fans, too! - Find yourself a video card that uses cooling pipes or similar technology, rather than fans. Those little fans spinning really fast make _LOTS_ of noise.
3) Speaking of noise - WD300 Raptors? Congrats, you just put the noisiest modern hard drives in a machine "built to be quiet" - if no expense was to be spared, why is this thing not outfitted with Solid State Disks???
4) Problems with the liquid - in addition to number one above, the reservoir is mounted at the bottom of the case? That's an amateur mistake right there. Reservoir at top of case = any air infiltration gets trapped at the reservoir. Additionally, the "angled barbs" are 90-degree bends - not exactly what you want in a low-flow system, backpressure is going to kill that pump, or at least cause it to whine incessantly, even at lower flow settings.
5) PSU - Corsair HX 1000W PSU - why not a PC Power and Cooling ultra-quiet unit, or a SilenX-modded solid cap PSU? Instead, they opt for a PSU rated at 57dBm?
Amateur job, Puget, very amateur. If anyone feels the need to build a super-quiet box, they really should shop around and look into these type of issue, or suffer sever disappointment.
E
Sun's hardware is already prohibitively expensive, how much will options like this add to the price of hardware? When I can order up a pair 4U boxen from any competitor that each have the same hardware specifications as a single box from Sun, what does this buy me besides simplified wiring/management, and the ability to run Solaris?
I guess I'm one in 600+Million then... When you've got a big fat pipe and a couple thousand CDs in your collection, you quickly find that .torrent is a LOT faster than swapping discs through the ripping machine. If it matters at all, this is a consequence of my earlier work as a DJ - over 3500 CDs spread through almost a dozen CD books that each have slots for 512 discs.
Maybe they're hosting the article with pictures on one of these $10 laptops? ;)
Could be worse, at least they're not watching soaps from the Philippines. Do yourself a favor and subscribe to any Pinoy channel on cable/dish networks, it's nothing but 24/7 soap operas (and as a bonus, usually in English instead of Tagalog!)
So this is a miniaturization of the peltier effect, with the upside of supercooling one side of the film, but how do you extract the heat from the opposite side of the film? Without a large surface area and volume, liquid-cooling the opposite side may not suffice for thermal transfer...
I see what you did there, a crack at FEMA. Bloody brilliant, if not entirely rooted in fact.
I'm pretty sure there's folks who were on the ground on day one who would disagree with you, including myself (No, I do not work for FEMA, but I am a Federal Employee, and made the trip down as soon as it became apparent that things were worse than expected). That said, I won't resort to calling your post flamebait, or anything else of the sort, even though I agree it is disappointing that certain executive officials may not have necessarily respond with the alacrity that the situation called for. In the meantime, please don't downplay the role myself and other volunteers played in search and rescue operations, as well as recovery efforts in the months after (both physical and economic).
Thanks
Posted with "No Karma Bonus" modifier, but not anonymous, so you can dig through my comment history and maybe glean who I do work for from there...
I can attest that this ^^ is fact - my phone has 4 lines on it - 3 in direct order, plus the emergency services line. I got 3 phone calls within 3 seconds of each other, from the same "OMEGA GRP" fake caller ID, ringing my lines in order, followed a few minutes later by the emergency services line fiasco.
Hey who commented about HooK ? Current member, guess which one and you get a TP Potion!
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Call and ask to speak to Herman Moore (the head of customer relations). Let him know that you received an unsolicited call regarding vehicle warranties, and that you'd like the calls to stop. He'll give you the (866) "opt-out" number that digitcom uses.
E
A little google-fu, followed by a quick call to the FCC (amazing how responsive they are when an auto-dialer hits an emergency services number!) and an hour later, got a call back with the provider's number. Please note, though, that filing a complaint with the FCC and receiving this type of service is only available for a designated "Emergency Services" number (1 number out of the block of 1,000 that I manage). They check the facts of the case, so don't just call and complain every time you get an unsolicited call on your home phone number.
E
Sorry about the delayed response. I talked to their "Customer Service" manager - Herman Moore. He assured me that in order to stop receiving the calls, all I would have to do was call some (866) number, and give them one number per call (I manage a block of 1,000 numbers for this building, I'm not about to call that 866 number a thousand times...)
E
http://www.digitcom.net/
You're looking for:
Digitcom Services, Inc.
12923 Venice Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90066
Phone (310) 358-7000
TollFree(800) 464-5446
Fax (310) 437-4105
Please note: I am not posting this so you can pester, annoy, harass, or threaten them. If you call, call once, speak to their manager, and politely let them know what you think about their business practices. What you do with this is up to you, I hold no responsibilty for the actions of others.
"Ch-Eck"? What is this "ch-eck" thing you speak of?
Thanks NYCL, to the point and as little legalese as possible. You've done more for the reputation of lawyers everywhere than any person I've ever met before.
Modbomb indeed. But I'll bite anyway. 1) Ripping off artists is not okay. Ripping off the cartel that's been ripping us off for decades is. 2) You ever try releasing a multi-national multi-hundred-thousand-pressing album without a distribution arm? Not as easy as it sounds, and it doesn't sound easy. 3) Not at all. Any group attempting to stop piracy by going after dead people, people without computers, and so forth, are evilly harassing innocents. Any group going after the -ACTUAL- pirates (profiting from selling bootlegs, etc...) are, well, not making headlines unfortunately. 4) Yours and my definition of piracy must differ. I torrent an album of (not distributed in the US, oddly enough) music (leeching all the way). If I don't like it, I delete it. If I do like it, I find a way to make the purchase. My local mail carrier asked if I keep track of the countries I receive packages from, which I do, and so far I've bought music out of almost every country in Europe (though not France or Spain just yet...) In conclusion, get ready for the Modstick, because I almost didnt reply to this, thinking it was flamebait at first. Now I think it's just astroturfing on the part of MediaSentry or whatever they may be calling themselves now, because if you were trying to turf for the RIAA, I don't think you would've been able to spell "artists" (sub:slaves), much less a $2 word like "oppressive"...
but, but... that would require leaving the basement!
The light, it burnsss usssss *hiss*
But seriously, there are a couple places to listen to live music near me, just none of them happen to book bands that I'd consider worth hearing. You ever try to find a good Northern-European Death Metal Concert in the Washington, DC area? Closest we've had was Amon Amarth doing an unannounced show at the 9:30 club last December (they didn't even bother posting the tour date on their official website until a week after they played!)
I'm not questioning motives, more looking for a press release or statement, or something to that effect, detailing why she gave up the fight when things had turned to her favor. I know firsthand the emotional and financial burden of being the target of a multi-(dollars earned per lifetime) dollar lawsuit from a car accident in my younger years. I also know that if the offer to settle for a couple thousand dollars was presented to me when I finished thrashing the suit of the plaintiff, I would've used that as yet more damning evidence that "Now they think their (pain and suffering/intellectual property loss) is only worth $X,000 instead of $Y,000,000...."
I guess what I'm asking for here is not "I think they settled because of abc" but rather from the horses mouth (so to speak), "I settled because of xyz.
With the decision on the table here presented in one neat little package (PDF? bleh), we're getting _less than_ half the story.
Actually $110 per month for 55 months...