But AIX is one of the most popular versions of Unix. Research firm Gartner Dataquest estimated that AIX held a 21 percent share of the Unix server market in the first quarter of 2003, putting it second only to Sun Microsystems Inc., whose own version of Unix, called Solaris, leads the industry with a 50 percent share.
Note Gartner is mentioned in both this article and the Sun press release. Marketing tripe with nothing to back it up is one thing, hard numbers from a third party is another.
Why do we think enthusiasm for Linux exists in the first place? The enthusiasm isn't about Linux, it's about access to Intel and the ability to run Unix on what seems to be a cheaper platform
Like it or not, this is the truth.
Think of it this way: What are IBM's and HP's bread and butter? Support/consulting and hardware. Where is Dell's bread and butter? Hardware. What about Intel, do they really care which OS is running on their processors so long as they sell the processors? Does Oracle really care about Linux because it rocks, or because it can help them sell more copies of their software?
Companies such as these may not be choosing Linux only because it's free, but because it will give their customers more choices and (hopefuly) sell more of their core products and services that bring in the big bucks.
Here is the fundamental problem with the anti-Sun crowd and their "IT'S CHEAPER!" chanting.
You people don't understand that price is rarely the top factor when making business purchasing decisions. Reliability, support and scalability are much larger.
Sorry for the AC reply on that one, old habits die slowly.
We're replacing some, umm, high traffic web servers with RHAS boxes where I work, we'll see how they work out. Perhaps they'll turn me into a beleiver again.
Here's what people don't understand: When it comes to SPARC it's not about pure Mhz, it's about being efficent.
Check out the SPEC scores. SPARC 1.2 Ghz have the same score a Pentium 4 2.4 Ghz. We all know about lies and benchmarks, but it seems to show that Mhz isn't the whole story.
The other thing people miss is the future. I would suggest checking out this article about Niagara. If Sun pulls this off, it will be *huge*.
I don't see Sun being purchased anytime soon or at least not in any kind of a mutual agreement. They have plenty to keep going for, both currently and in the future.
Many haven't worked with what they manage (UNIX, Windows, networking, accounting, QA, etc). Because of this they don't understand the day to day working of the people and products they manage.
They also need to be in touch. From my experience when the boss calls a meeting and asks us to tell him or her what we need to change nobody speaks up. We need management we feel we can talk to without fear of retribution. Also, they need to keep their ears open for the watercooler gossip they will never hear directly. It helps judge morale, allows them to quell or substantiate rumors and find out what the employees really think.
The last, and largest one, is gutsy. This means when the workers tell a manager something that he or she can't take care of directly they should have the guts to take it to their manager to help. I've seen too many managers who kiss ass and are afraid to put a small tarnish on their reputation to go to bat for their employees.
The problems we face now aren't with the technology, but with the people.
Perhaps instead of buying protection in prison with the traditional box of cigarettes he can just give inmates warez'ed copies of Windows Server 2003 instead.
We handled gifts out of our own pockets because we felt the policy was crass, denying the civility that we should display as managers.
You were not denied civility, as you demonstrated by purchasing the gift. The only distinction is which entitiy (you or the company) paid for the gift.
I agree that the company should have spent a small amount to show they care, but they certainly didn't restrict you in any way.
On the other hand, they are still going to get a nasty backlash from the millions (billions?) of people still using NT 4.0
Yes, 17% or more of the world's population uses NT 4.0.
Microsoft recommends we firewal port 135 - which every network administrator with a brain should already be doing! Unfortunately, good network administrators are in very short supply.
Unfortunately people who also realize this is exploitable from any system inside the firewall are in very short supply as well.
I recently started a thread on Ars asking for information for external input boxes so I could watch cable television without the television. I received many responses and have since started to look into TV tuner cards as well as a few more external solutions.
If anyone has any other suggestions, good bad or indifferent feel free to let me know, the more choices and information I have the better.
"HP, in Palo Alto, Calif. , generated about $2 billion in Linux-based revenue in 2002, the company said in Wednesday's statement. "
Thats freaking huge:) Who said u cannot make money by using linux?
The problem is when HP has been asked point blank to break down the sales figures they refused.
Without that data we don't know how well Linux is selling or what products or services they're gaining the revenue from. Is is consultants putting on sales pitches and getting their hourly rate? Is it workstations? Servers? Plans for how to migrate from Windows to Linux?
Althought it is a lot of money I would like to see specifics.
Another editor starts the same journey in a few days and doesn't realize it's already being done until they both stumble across each other at 11:00 PM at a Motel 6.
Personal experience. It's rare I don't find a book I'm looking for.
If Amazon decides not to carry the book, *poof* it ceases to exist if we rely on it as a means of archiving records of books.
An excellent point.
Also, if we rely on Amazon purely as a reference, I don't like the idea of the huge advantage they get on their competitors. Even if another site sells the book for cheaper, the convenience (pardon me, the conflict of interest) of mixing reference lists with sales catalogs seems a little too market-muddling for me.
Conflict of interest how? You see this daily in many places. Video game reviews have links to purchase the game they're selling, same with books, computer hardare and almost everything else. And of course, if your purchase the product using that link the reviewer generally gets a percentage of the sale. The same goes for the grocery store. Why not get some toilet paper while you're there instead of driviing to Target and saving $.50?
Like it or not, convience is king.
Also keep in mind nobody is forced to purchase the book there, and that's exactly what I do. Use Amazon for the review and then shop around if I decide to purchase it.
Keep in mind what this person wants to do is not create a reference list but a centralized web site for reviews. If you want a reference list I would suggest The Library of Congress.
There's always Amazon.com. They have reader reviews as well as a rating system for each book. I personally use it due to the large amount of traffic they have so I can see a wide range of opinions on a product.
They may not have everything, but they're pretty close.
I thought engineering was something you had to go to college for, not some 'school' in a strip mall that does computer 'certs'
When it comes to network engineering (as opposed to chip design and things of that nature) not really. Witness this post over on ArsTechnica. I don't think there are any schools out there that teach you what is required to answer that question.
Will this turn into the same repetetive cash cow that the MCSE is?
I know this question is part sarcasam and part real question so I'll answer it anyway. Yes, it will generate revenue. As for how much, I couldn't speculate. All certifications I know of (including HP-UX, Microsoft and Comptia certs) require recertification after a specified amount of time. It is usually after X number of year(s) or X years after a new certification test has been released. Note some do not require recertification (Sun) but encourage it.
Will certified engineers have to get a new certification on every new release of the kernel?
That's just silly. Yes, daily tests everytime CVS changes are committed.
what about major releases?
More than likely not. System administration and engineering aren't as much about knowing the kernel inside and out as much as it is about knowing things like how to build a new kernel, how to configure and troubleshoot Samba, NFS, NIS, Apache, etc. Red Hat's certification tests accurately reflect this.
I hope they realize that one of the major flaws with microsoft's certification is the necessity to get re-certified when a poorly-done ripoff of the previous operating system is released.
Aside from the Microsoft bashing refer to my above statement. Most vendors (even vendor neutral certifications such as Comptia) require recertification.
The real problem with the Windows NT 4.0 MCSE were braindumps and Transcender tests. NT 4.0 was when most of the MCSEs got certified because it was cake. Ask anyone who has done it, the Transcender tests were almost exactly like the real tests. Ace them and you'll pass.
As for the people who are getting their MCSE in Win2k they say it is much harder, but I can't say from personal experience.
We've had this discussion before, and we're having it yet again.
Who's to blame in this situation? I clearly feel it's the administrative and their immediate managers both at Microsoft and any organization that was hit with the worm. The administrators should keep up with the newest patches and update systems during the maintanance window. Managers should ensure the administrators have applied the patches.
The argument about downtime and untested patches will surely be seen here as well. That argument is not OS specific. Sure, on Windows you generally need to reboot after applying a patch, but what if this happened to Oracle? You would need to take the server down, patch and bring it back up. As for testing, this is again an OS independent. At one time or another I'm sure every piece of software has released a patch that has introduced new bugs, it happens.
Either way, there will be Microsoft bashing in the thread, but regardless of which OS you're running situations like this will arise.
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my bad
Oh wait, here's the quote for you:
But AIX is one of the most popular versions of Unix. Research firm Gartner Dataquest estimated that AIX held a 21 percent share of the Unix server market in the first quarter of 2003, putting it second only to Sun Microsystems Inc., whose own version of Unix, called Solaris, leads the industry with a 50 percent share.
Note Gartner is mentioned in both this article and the Sun press release. Marketing tripe with nothing to back it up is one thing, hard numbers from a third party is another.
Why do we think enthusiasm for Linux exists in the first place? The enthusiasm isn't about Linux, it's about access to Intel and the ability to run Unix on what seems to be a cheaper platform
Like it or not, this is the truth.
Think of it this way: What are IBM's and HP's bread and butter? Support/consulting and hardware. Where is Dell's bread and butter? Hardware. What about Intel, do they really care which OS is running on their processors so long as they sell the processors? Does Oracle really care about Linux because it rocks, or because it can help them sell more copies of their software?
Companies such as these may not be choosing Linux only because it's free, but because it will give their customers more choices and (hopefuly) sell more of their core products and services that bring in the big bucks.
Here is the fundamental problem with the anti-Sun crowd and their "IT'S CHEAPER!" chanting.
f lash.20030605.1.html
You people don't understand that price is rarely the top factor when making business purchasing decisions. Reliability, support and scalability are much larger.
PS: http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2003-06/sun
http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2003-06/sunf lash.20030605.1.html
:rolleyes:
Sun had had it since at least Solaris 8 including IPv4 over IPv6 tunnels and vice-versa.
Sorry for the AC reply on that one, old habits die slowly.
We're replacing some, umm, high traffic web servers with RHAS boxes where I work, we'll see how they work out. Perhaps they'll turn me into a beleiver again.
Here's what people don't understand: When it comes to SPARC it's not about pure Mhz, it's about being efficent.
Check out the SPEC scores. SPARC 1.2 Ghz have the same score a Pentium 4 2.4 Ghz. We all know about lies and benchmarks, but it seems to show that Mhz isn't the whole story.
The other thing people miss is the future. I would suggest checking out this article about Niagara. If Sun pulls this off, it will be *huge*.
I don't see Sun being purchased anytime soon or at least not in any kind of a mutual agreement. They have plenty to keep going for, both currently and in the future.
Compitent, in touch, gutsy middle management.
Many haven't worked with what they manage (UNIX, Windows, networking, accounting, QA, etc). Because of this they don't understand the day to day working of the people and products they manage.
They also need to be in touch. From my experience when the boss calls a meeting and asks us to tell him or her what we need to change nobody speaks up. We need management we feel we can talk to without fear of retribution. Also, they need to keep their ears open for the watercooler gossip they will never hear directly. It helps judge morale, allows them to quell or substantiate rumors and find out what the employees really think.
The last, and largest one, is gutsy. This means when the workers tell a manager something that he or she can't take care of directly they should have the guts to take it to their manager to help. I've seen too many managers who kiss ass and are afraid to put a small tarnish on their reputation to go to bat for their employees.
The problems we face now aren't with the technology, but with the people.
Perhaps instead of buying protection in prison with the traditional box of cigarettes he can just give inmates warez'ed copies of Windows Server 2003 instead.
We handled gifts out of our own pockets because we felt the policy was crass, denying the civility that we should display as managers.
You were not denied civility, as you demonstrated by purchasing the gift. The only distinction is which entitiy (you or the company) paid for the gift.
I agree that the company should have spent a small amount to show they care, but they certainly didn't restrict you in any way.
I'm sure you'll be hearing cries of "dupe, dupe!".
Pentium motherboard in Pentium 4 motherboard out.
Seems simple enough, where can I buy one?
On the other hand, they are still going to get a nasty backlash from the millions (billions?) of people still using NT 4.0
Yes, 17% or more of the world's population uses NT 4.0.
Microsoft recommends we firewal port 135 - which every network administrator with a brain should already be doing! Unfortunately, good network administrators are in very short supply.
Unfortunately people who also realize this is exploitable from any system inside the firewall are in very short supply as well.
You can watch a VCD that was recorded using your web cam of you playing video games while listening to MP3s.
Or you can read an SMS that tells you to check your e-mail that contains an chat log reminding you to record a show tonight.
Or you can chat with your web cam. Wait, that's not right. This device can do so many goddamned things I'm getting confused.
I recently started a thread on Ars asking for information for external input boxes so I could watch cable television without the television. I received many responses and have since started to look into TV tuner cards as well as a few more external solutions.
If anyone has any other suggestions, good bad or indifferent feel free to let me know, the more choices and information I have the better.
I'm glad I can get rid of my outdated P4 2.8 GHz now that I've upgraded to a P4 3.06 in an environmentally friendly manner.
Thanks Dell!
"HP, in Palo Alto, Calif. , generated about $2 billion in Linux-based revenue in 2002, the company said in Wednesday's statement. "
:) Who said u cannot make money by using linux?
Thats freaking huge
The problem is when HP has been asked point blank to break down the sales figures they refused.
Without that data we don't know how well Linux is selling or what products or services they're gaining the revenue from. Is is consultants putting on sales pitches and getting their hourly rate? Is it workstations? Servers? Plans for how to migrate from Windows to Linux?
Althought it is a lot of money I would like to see specifics.
....cosmic size donut with solar sprinkles.
/me drools
Another editor starts the same journey in a few days and doesn't realize it's already being done until they both stumble across each other at 11:00 PM at a Motel 6.
at Slashdot editor's problem with dupes
Erm, and you know this how?
Personal experience. It's rare I don't find a book I'm looking for.
If Amazon decides not to carry the book, *poof* it ceases to exist if we rely on it as a means of archiving records of books.
An excellent point.
Also, if we rely on Amazon purely as a reference, I don't like the idea of the huge advantage they get on their competitors. Even if another site sells the book for cheaper, the convenience (pardon me, the conflict of interest) of mixing reference lists with sales catalogs seems a little too market-muddling for me.
Conflict of interest how? You see this daily in many places. Video game reviews have links to purchase the game they're selling, same with books, computer hardare and almost everything else. And of course, if your purchase the product using that link the reviewer generally gets a percentage of the sale. The same goes for the grocery store. Why not get some toilet paper while you're there instead of driviing to Target and saving $.50?
Like it or not, convience is king.
Also keep in mind nobody is forced to purchase the book there, and that's exactly what I do. Use Amazon for the review and then shop around if I decide to purchase it.
Keep in mind what this person wants to do is not create a reference list but a centralized web site for reviews. If you want a reference list I would suggest The Library of Congress.
There's always Amazon.com. They have reader reviews as well as a rating system for each book. I personally use it due to the large amount of traffic they have so I can see a wide range of opinions on a product.
They may not have everything, but they're pretty close.
Nope, sorry man
I thought engineering was something you had to go to college for, not some 'school' in a strip mall that does computer 'certs'
When it comes to network engineering (as opposed to chip design and things of that nature) not really. Witness this post over on ArsTechnica. I don't think there are any schools out there that teach you what is required to answer that question.
Will this turn into the same repetetive cash cow that the MCSE is?
I know this question is part sarcasam and part real question so I'll answer it anyway. Yes, it will generate revenue. As for how much, I couldn't speculate. All certifications I know of (including HP-UX, Microsoft and Comptia certs) require recertification after a specified amount of time. It is usually after X number of year(s) or X years after a new certification test has been released. Note some do not require recertification (Sun) but encourage it.
Will certified engineers have to get a new certification on every new release of the kernel?
That's just silly. Yes, daily tests everytime CVS changes are committed.
what about major releases?
More than likely not. System administration and engineering aren't as much about knowing the kernel inside and out as much as it is about knowing things like how to build a new kernel, how to configure and troubleshoot Samba, NFS, NIS, Apache, etc. Red Hat's certification tests accurately reflect this.
I hope they realize that one of the major flaws with microsoft's certification is the necessity to get re-certified when a poorly-done ripoff of the previous operating system is released.
Aside from the Microsoft bashing refer to my above statement. Most vendors (even vendor neutral certifications such as Comptia) require recertification.
The real problem with the Windows NT 4.0 MCSE were braindumps and Transcender tests. NT 4.0 was when most of the MCSEs got certified because it was cake. Ask anyone who has done it, the Transcender tests were almost exactly like the real tests. Ace them and you'll pass.
As for the people who are getting their MCSE in Win2k they say it is much harder, but I can't say from personal experience.
We've had this discussion before, and we're having it yet again.
Who's to blame in this situation? I clearly feel it's the administrative and their immediate managers both at Microsoft and any organization that was hit with the worm. The administrators should keep up with the newest patches and update systems during the maintanance window. Managers should ensure the administrators have applied the patches.
The argument about downtime and untested patches will surely be seen here as well. That argument is not OS specific. Sure, on Windows you generally need to reboot after applying a patch, but what if this happened to Oracle? You would need to take the server down, patch and bring it back up. As for testing, this is again an OS independent. At one time or another I'm sure every piece of software has released a patch that has introduced new bugs, it happens.
Either way, there will be Microsoft bashing in the thread, but regardless of which OS you're running situations like this will arise.