Perhaps there should be a meme according to which the Jews are ridiculed for surrendering and letting themselves be herded off to camps, instead of nobly fighting to the death on their doorsteps as they ought to have?
There is. Israelis have it, and the punchline is "Never Again"
What surprises me is that the French got labelled as surrender-happy, when Norway, Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg all did the same thing...
Most Americans don't even know where those countries are,
Of course, they do. Norway is, with Sweden, where (the {great}*grandparents of) everyone from the Dakotas, Wisconsin, or Minnesota came from. The Netherlands is where all the old New York families came from, and were our first ally in the Revolution and in WWII (a Dutch ship started shooting the Zeroes at Pearl Harbor before the US Navy had their guns cleared for action). Belgium is where the waffles come from, and Luxembourg is the extra credit answer that they missed in HS Geography.
The difference is that Norway hasn't made noises about their military prowess since the end of the Viking Age, The Netherlands since the time of William of William and Mary fame, and Belgium and Luxembourg have never made any claims about their "glorie" (or however the French spell it).
Italy is where pizza comes from, right?
Actually, most pizza shops make it American-style, now, even in Italy. So, New Jersey is where pizza come from.:-)
Second City Television (a Saturday Night Live-like series from the comedy troupes where NBC got the original SNL players) had a fake war movie that followed the Italians as they planned and executed their masterstroke in WWII, surrendering in such vast numbers that the US invasion was completely halted, diverted into trying to deal with the millions of new POWs. No one but Bennie The Moose ever seriously claimed that Italians were great warriors, though.
> So, how did Italy switch sides in the First World War?
Wikipedia was not complete. Italy WAS a member of the alliance that we call the Central Powers, but refused to honor their treaty obligations when the Russians started their mobilization against Austria-Hungary and Germany. They sat out the first few months, then joined in with the other side to get "their" slice of Austrian territories. As I recall, what little that they gained was mostly lost to Yugoslavia at the end of WWII.
but stating that as a reason to oppose helmet laws would have been objectionable to even the Hell's Angels.
You underestimate the Hells. A "patch" will be by soon to "educate" you.;-)
I have friends in the Pagans; they will tell the Angels to stay in their own territory, especially as no drugs, money, or legitimately tortable action (many Angels being lawyers) is involved. Let's face it, saying that Hell's Angel would find it objectionable that they should be reduced to medical supplies is hardly libel.
Seriously, maybe we should work on reducing the lifestyle diseases that increase the demand for heart transplants. That includes obesity and smoking, btw.
Who was talking heart transplants?
Anyway, the cure is to put those who need lifestyle transplants on the bottom of the recipients' list, just above the drug addicts and suicide attempters. I do not know the rules that they use for the list, but I think that they do.
If the obese and smokers die first, well, they have been warned for years. It is a damned disappointment that at least four of my family's friend died from just that cause (especially disappointing given that half have doctors as children, who must have warned them), but them's the breaks.
BTW, I suggest that you tell the Hell's Angel patch that you were going to sic on me that they should exercize more and give up smoking. Let's see who is "educated" first. HAH!
elmet laws aren't there for your interest. They're there for the interest of the people who have to scrape your brains of the highway. The ambulance staff who have to carry your broken body to the hospital, when they could be helping someone else. The doctors and surgeons who have to fix you, when they could be fixing someone else. The other motorists whose journeys are blocked by a big pool of blood across the road. But as a libertarian, you don't care about anyone other than yourself, so feel free to ignore this paragraph.
Safety laws will exist as long as people think they're invincible, and don't give a shit about the people who have to clear up after them.
Helmet safety laws exist because the insurance industry lobbied for them; a rule stating that helmetless motorcycle riding was the legal and insureance equivalent of commiting suicide would have satisfied them just as well, but could never have been proposed by any politian wanting to stay in office. In fact, helmet laws lead to a reduction in the number of young, otherwise healthy, transplant donors (since most die of cranial damage) but stating that as a reason to oppose helmet laws would have been objectionable to even the Hell's Angels.
> In order for a man to produce offspring he has to perform heterosexual sex.
How many children did Oscar Wilde's wife have?
Or, look up Edward II of England, who is usually assumed to have been a homosexual, thanks to Marlow. He had at least five, including at least one out of wedlock (i.e., hetero sex not as part of his duty, but for fun). And, Braveheart notwithstanding, no one thought that any were NOT his, or his wife and her lover would have been executed long before Edward III's majority.
Even today, when people can BE homosexual, rather than just feel it, gays still produce 0.5 offspring per person (vs. 2.1 or so for the average person). If there are benefits to the non-pure state, as there apparently are with the Sickle Cell Anemia trait, it will even be selected FOR in some cases.
> Hitler did it when he attacked Russia while he > was still busy in France. I think that contributed > to losing the war for him,
Rather! The Russians killed _far_ more Germans than the Western Allies.
> There could be a lot of people in Russia who miss > the old days of the Soviet Union, and would side > with a communist superpower
They miss the old days because Russia was a superpower. Communism was the bad part of the bargain. Foreign Communist domination would be REALLY undesireable for any Russian (who are even more patriotic towards their country, whatever bunch of bastards run it, than Americans are towards their). Domination by the Chinese would be like domination by the Golden Horde, again, and is as much a back-of-mind terror for Russians as burning crosses and lynching is for African-Americans, or swasticas for Jews.
Recycling newspapers is a bad idea for other reasons. It takes lots of nasty chemicals to remove the print from the paper (just as it took lots to create the paper, in the first place). That is why all recycling happens in Mexico; the environmental laws are lax enough there to allow recycling companies to generate their waste, whereas there is nowhere in the US that they could.
With modern newsprint (not using heavy metals, as it once did), it would probably be better, overall, to burn them yourself than to send the newspapers to Mexico on trucks to generate all the paper recycling waste, there. Of course, you would be burning them locally, rather than hiding the pollution off globally.
Incorrect. First, royalty are addressed in third person when being most formal (Your Lordship/Grace/Highness/Majesty/Excellency/etc.), not second person plural, and speak in first person plural (we) when speaking as their office rather than as their person. Second, "thee" is the (actually, a, as different dialects used different pronouns) second person familiar while "you" is the formal. Tu, vs. usted, to use the Spanish parallel.
The formal gradually eats the familiar, as levels of hierarchy decrease in importance (frex, when the king is begging money from Commons, or a noble is refused additional credit by his bookie for past non-payments), and the upper levels have to treat the lowers as equals. Quakers fossilized "thee" just before it disappeared. A previous post claimed that Amish used "thee" but everyone knows that the Amish speak German (at least whenever they can, to help maintain separation from the "English"), not archaic English.
BTW, "tu" is almost never used in Spanish, nowadays (at least according to my high school teacher), as well. This leaves them with just "usted" and "ustedes" for singular/plural (and there was never a case for "all my children" or "you rabble").
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> Nobody in any game assume that I'm ACTUALLY a Lizardman,
> so why would they assume I'm ACTUALLY female?
Because there actually ARE females, but not actually Lizardmen. Crab men? Yes (we have all had the opportunity, at least, to see that episode of South Park), but not Lizardmen.
Does GTA or its successors let you pick between white, chicano, asian, or black? That might be interesting, even if different races had no other effects. I expect that there would then be the same sorts of questions about playing someone of a different race as there are about playing someone of a different sex.
> In a way, he is just restating the Fermi Paradox
But he is flipping it around, too. The Fermi Paradox is satisfied by us not noticing alien civilizations, yet, because they are too, well, alien, for us to realize that they are there. He thinks that it would be a bad thing if we did find that to be true.
Personally, I think that he wants US to be the civilization that first colonizes this galaxy (OK with that, since a Brin-like Pan-Multi-Galactic Society is rather less likely than one where the first civilization wipes out any competitors likely to be a problem in the next 10 or so million years, just to be on the safe side), and that a Brin-like Pan Galactic society would be bad, as it lowers how far we can go (possible, given that in the Uplift Saga, Humans come awefully close to extermination just by ticking off the wrong older civilizations within a couple hundred years of contact)(but not esthetically desirable, personally).
In any event, I think that the article was mainly noise, as he introduces no particularly new ideas (assuming that you read enough pre-1960s SF, especially hard SF), and introduces no new data that affects them. It is just a think piece, being reported to people that thought about it years ago and then moved on.
7. Civilizations spread via Von Neumann machines, rather than multigenerational starships, but Von Neumann machines don't like, or grow to not like, living at the bottom of a (gravitational) hole, like we do. The Oort clouds may be communicating with each other, using frequencies NOT designed to appeal to the imaginations of biological lifeform scientists, and no "starships" would consider penetrating the orbit of Persephone (the hypothetical next planet outside of Neptune/Pluto, at something like where Bode's Law would have predicted it) let alone all the way in to us.
This actually answers 6, as well. We listen at the "Water Hole" frequency range, but there are lots of other ranges that we could - so many that we could never guess what they all are. To use a CB alanlogy, we are hoping that we are listening in to the emergency channel or channel 19, and that they will tell us "Change to 39, Good Buddy" when we actually make contact, but it may be channel 3 (or whatever else no one uses, normally).
Within 3.5 billion years from now, the sun will have grown hot enough to give Earth surface conditions similar to Venus, rendering the planet uninhabitable.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the kick-over point is closer to 100-200 million years. After that, one methane or CO2 molecule will be enough to cause a runaway Greenhouse Effect (assuming that we have calculated the stellar lifecycles correctly, and that we cannot move the Earth outwards over a few million years, or that we cannot terriform Saturn, or use directed evolution to let us live on gas giants).
> If the Aliens are there and undetected they > are quiet cruel for letter us suffer with > our ignorance with death and disease.
Well, my first thought is to quote the opening of the War of the Worlds broadcast of 1938, but I cannot do a good enough Orson Welles imitation through text to do it justice.
My second thought is that it is unlikely that a civilization that evolved from entirely different microbes (if not a different set of amino acids) is going to be much help with our medical problems. My mother, a registered Master Gardener of Pennsylvania, cannot treat plant diseases except by killing parasites, isolating or destroying sick plants, and hoping, and plants are only separated from us by a half billion years of evolution or so.
> What if most lose themselves in virtual realities.
I.e., civilization advances until it discovers technology sufficient to develop World Of Warcraft. After that, technology only advances in terms of Warcraft mods to produce better raids.
> you want to know the number of voters on each side.
This is for the primary. The Republicans can only vote for their candidates, and the Democrats for theirs. Therefore, you don't really need to know the number of Republican ballots vs. those for the Democratic Party, because they are entirely different races.
Now, obviously, one SHOULD want this, for the pre-election checks, but no one put it in the specs, and they programmed/built to the specs, rather than what they should have been. Sort of like the law insisting that a 10 MPH crash is guaranteed survivable, and the design handling that but also guaranteeing that no one could survive a 15 MPH crash; it meets the specs, just fails meeting what the specs should have been (ie, a good probability of survivng more than the 10 MPH crash, as well).
> I think I see a major opportunity for the Russian military > to show their might and perform a few practice attack missions.
Then seize it, and run it for themselves.
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> Perhaps Zeus would be better off by making its > money through some shady anti-zeus company that > offers 100% protection from zeus.
You are making the assumption that they don't, as well as from renting out the network. Remember, the Soviets funded their foreign intelligence department in the 1920s and early 30s by convincing the Western Powers that there was a big anti-communist underground that just needed some money and they would be able to overthrow Lenin (and later, Stalin). Why shouldn't the company fund their software research by having a shell company offering to fix their damage?
> If she turns up in Russia with that embezzled money, will the prosecutor apologize?
Yes, even if Hans finds her and kills her, himself. As in the case of the one man, in the Cary Grant film "People Will Talk" (which was a remake of a German film, apparently).
And, no, an erroneous conviction for the "first crime" didn't help in the trial on the real crime, either.
> Young, unmarried, middle-class males often get kicked pretty quickly.
I wasn't, even after describing my self as a "software engineer" rather than mere programmer. Unfortunately for the tale, the trial consisted of one witness, two questions, one objection, two hours of discussion, and one dismissed case, and out before lunch. And I didn't even catch what "the bell that cannot be unrung" was, for certain. All I know is that if I get sued in that juristiction, I want the objecting attorney.
> You forgot lesson 5: live a life of total paranoia, > convinced that a device that lets law enforcement > easily analyze computers is proof positive that a > fascist government is out to get you
Felix Djerzhinsky's Law: Live your life like everything [in permanent format] will be read by your worst enemy and/or best friend, whichever is worse.
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There is. Israelis have it, and the punchline is "Never Again"
Of course, they do. Norway is, with Sweden, where (the {great}*grandparents of) everyone from the Dakotas, Wisconsin, or Minnesota came from. The Netherlands is where all the old New York families came from, and were our first ally in the Revolution and in WWII (a Dutch ship started shooting the Zeroes at Pearl Harbor before the US Navy had their guns cleared for action). Belgium is where the waffles come from, and Luxembourg is the extra credit answer that they missed in HS Geography.
The difference is that Norway hasn't made noises about their military prowess since the end of the Viking Age, The Netherlands since the time of William of William and Mary fame, and Belgium and Luxembourg have never made any claims about their "glorie" (or however the French spell it).
Actually, most pizza shops make it American-style, now, even in Italy. So, New Jersey is where pizza come from. :-)
Second City Television (a Saturday Night Live-like series from the comedy troupes where NBC got the original SNL players) had a fake war movie that followed the Italians as they planned and executed their masterstroke in WWII, surrendering in such vast numbers that the US invasion was completely halted, diverted into trying to deal with the millions of new POWs. No one but Bennie The Moose ever seriously claimed that Italians were great warriors, though.
> So, how did Italy switch sides in the First World War?
Wikipedia was not complete. Italy WAS a member of the alliance that we call the Central Powers, but refused to honor their treaty obligations when the Russians started their mobilization against Austria-Hungary and Germany. They sat out the first few months, then joined in with the other side to get "their" slice of Austrian territories. As I recall, what little that they gained was mostly lost to Yugoslavia at the end of WWII.
I have friends in the Pagans; they will tell the Angels to stay in their own territory, especially as no drugs, money, or legitimately tortable action (many Angels being lawyers) is involved. Let's face it, saying that Hell's Angel would find it objectionable that they should be reduced to medical supplies is hardly libel.
Who was talking heart transplants?
Anyway, the cure is to put those who need lifestyle transplants on the bottom of the recipients' list, just above the drug addicts and suicide attempters. I do not know the rules that they use for the list, but I think that they do.
If the obese and smokers die first, well, they have been warned for years. It is a damned disappointment that at least four of my family's friend died from just that cause (especially disappointing given that half have doctors as children, who must have warned them), but them's the breaks.
BTW, I suggest that you tell the Hell's Angel patch that you were going to sic on me that they should exercize more and give up smoking. Let's see who is "educated" first. HAH!
Helmet safety laws exist because the insurance industry lobbied for them; a rule stating that helmetless motorcycle riding was the legal and insureance equivalent of commiting suicide would have satisfied them just as well, but could never have been proposed by any politian wanting to stay in office. In fact, helmet laws lead to a reduction in the number of young, otherwise healthy, transplant donors (since most die of cranial damage) but stating that as a reason to oppose helmet laws would have been objectionable to even the Hell's Angels.
> They've gotten pretty good at matching bullets to guns.
Then use cheaper bullets that deform more, or go the Demolished Man route and use an ice bullet.
> he may be a little indirect at times but she doesn't
> bring her sister, her sister's neighbour or gall
> stones into the request.
Or at least, you never realized it, when it happened.
> In order for a man to produce offspring he has to perform heterosexual sex.
How many children did Oscar Wilde's wife have?
Or, look up Edward II of England, who is usually assumed to have been a homosexual, thanks to Marlow. He had at least five, including at least one out of wedlock (i.e., hetero sex not as part of his duty, but for fun). And, Braveheart notwithstanding, no one thought that any were NOT his, or his wife and her lover would have been executed long before Edward III's majority.
Even today, when people can BE homosexual, rather than just feel it, gays still produce 0.5 offspring per person (vs. 2.1 or so for the average person). If there are benefits to the non-pure state, as there apparently are with the Sickle Cell Anemia trait, it will even be selected FOR in some cases.
> Hitler did it when he attacked Russia while he
> was still busy in France. I think that contributed
> to losing the war for him,
Rather! The Russians killed _far_ more Germans than the Western Allies.
> There could be a lot of people in Russia who miss
> the old days of the Soviet Union, and would side
> with a communist superpower
They miss the old days because Russia was a superpower. Communism was the bad part of the bargain. Foreign Communist domination would be REALLY undesireable for any Russian (who are even more patriotic towards their country, whatever bunch of bastards run it, than Americans are towards their). Domination by the Chinese would be like domination by the Golden Horde, again, and is as much a back-of-mind terror for Russians as burning crosses and lynching is for African-Americans, or swasticas for Jews.
With modern newsprint (not using heavy metals, as it once did), it would probably be better, overall, to burn them yourself than to send the newspapers to Mexico on trucks to generate all the paper recycling waste, there. Of course, you would be burning them locally, rather than hiding the pollution off globally.
So Mike and Mike have a morning drive-time broadcast on the Internet2, as well?
Incorrect. First, royalty are addressed in third person when being most formal (Your Lordship/Grace/Highness/Majesty/Excellency/etc.), not second person plural, and speak in first person plural (we) when speaking as their office rather than as their person. Second, "thee" is the (actually, a, as different dialects used different pronouns) second person familiar while "you" is the formal. Tu, vs. usted, to use the Spanish parallel.
The formal gradually eats the familiar, as levels of hierarchy decrease in importance (frex, when the king is begging money from Commons, or a noble is refused additional credit by his bookie for past non-payments), and the upper levels have to treat the lowers as equals. Quakers fossilized "thee" just before it disappeared. A previous post claimed that Amish used "thee" but everyone knows that the Amish speak German (at least whenever they can, to help maintain separation from the "English"), not archaic English.
BTW, "tu" is almost never used in Spanish, nowadays (at least according to my high school teacher), as well. This leaves them with just "usted" and "ustedes" for singular/plural (and there was never a case for "all my children" or "you rabble").
> so why would they assume I'm ACTUALLY female?
Because there actually ARE females, but not actually Lizardmen. Crab men? Yes (we have all had the opportunity, at least, to see that episode of South Park), but not Lizardmen.
Does GTA or its successors let you pick between white, chicano, asian, or black? That might be interesting, even if different races had no other effects. I expect that there would then be the same sorts of questions about playing someone of a different race as there are about playing someone of a different sex.
But he is flipping it around, too. The Fermi Paradox is satisfied by us not noticing alien civilizations, yet, because they are too, well, alien, for us to realize that they are there. He thinks that it would be a bad thing if we did find that to be true.
Personally, I think that he wants US to be the civilization that first colonizes this galaxy (OK with that, since a Brin-like Pan-Multi-Galactic Society is rather less likely than one where the first civilization wipes out any competitors likely to be a problem in the next 10 or so million years, just to be on the safe side), and that a Brin-like Pan Galactic society would be bad, as it lowers how far we can go (possible, given that in the Uplift Saga, Humans come awefully close to extermination just by ticking off the wrong older civilizations within a couple hundred years of contact)(but not esthetically desirable, personally).
In any event, I think that the article was mainly noise, as he introduces no particularly new ideas (assuming that you read enough pre-1960s SF, especially hard SF), and introduces no new data that affects them. It is just a think piece, being reported to people that thought about it years ago and then moved on.
This actually answers 6, as well. We listen at the "Water Hole" frequency range, but there are lots of other ranges that we could - so many that we could never guess what they all are. To use a CB alanlogy, we are hoping that we are listening in to the emergency channel or channel 19, and that they will tell us "Change to 39, Good Buddy" when we actually make contact, but it may be channel 3 (or whatever else no one uses, normally).
Sorry to disappoint you, but the kick-over point is closer to 100-200 million years. After that, one methane or CO2 molecule will be enough to cause a runaway Greenhouse Effect (assuming that we have calculated the stellar lifecycles correctly, and that we cannot move the Earth outwards over a few million years, or that we cannot terriform Saturn, or use directed evolution to let us live on gas giants).
> If the Aliens are there and undetected they
> are quiet cruel for letter us suffer with
> our ignorance with death and disease.
Well, my first thought is to quote the opening of the War of the Worlds broadcast of 1938, but I cannot do a good enough Orson Welles imitation through text to do it justice.
My second thought is that it is unlikely that a civilization that evolved from entirely different microbes (if not a different set of amino acids) is going to be much help with our medical problems. My mother, a registered Master Gardener of Pennsylvania, cannot treat plant diseases except by killing parasites, isolating or destroying sick plants, and hoping, and plants are only separated from us by a half billion years of evolution or so.
I.e., civilization advances until it discovers technology sufficient to develop World Of Warcraft. After that, technology only advances in terms of Warcraft mods to produce better raids.
> you want to know the number of voters on each side. This is for the primary. The Republicans can only vote for their candidates, and the Democrats for theirs. Therefore, you don't really need to know the number of Republican ballots vs. those for the Democratic Party, because they are entirely different races. Now, obviously, one SHOULD want this, for the pre-election checks, but no one put it in the specs, and they programmed/built to the specs, rather than what they should have been. Sort of like the law insisting that a 10 MPH crash is guaranteed survivable, and the design handling that but also guaranteeing that no one could survive a 15 MPH crash; it meets the specs, just fails meeting what the specs should have been (ie, a good probability of survivng more than the 10 MPH crash, as well).
> I think I see a major opportunity for the Russian military
> to show their might and perform a few practice attack missions.
Then seize it, and run it for themselves.
> Perhaps Zeus would be better off by making its
> money through some shady anti-zeus company that
> offers 100% protection from zeus.
You are making the assumption that they don't, as well as from renting out the network. Remember, the Soviets funded their foreign intelligence department in the 1920s and early 30s by convincing the Western Powers that there was a big anti-communist underground that just needed some money and they would be able to overthrow Lenin (and later, Stalin). Why shouldn't the company fund their software research by having a shell company offering to fix their damage?
> If she turns up in Russia with that embezzled money, will the prosecutor apologize?
Yes, even if Hans finds her and kills her, himself. As in the case of the one man, in the Cary Grant film "People Will Talk" (which was a remake of a German film, apparently).
And, no, an erroneous conviction for the "first crime" didn't help in the trial on the real crime, either.
> Young, unmarried, middle-class males often get kicked pretty quickly.
I wasn't, even after describing my self as a "software engineer" rather than mere programmer. Unfortunately for the tale, the trial consisted of one witness, two questions, one objection, two hours of discussion, and one dismissed case, and out before lunch. And I didn't even catch what "the bell that cannot be unrung" was, for certain. All I know is that if I get sued in that juristiction, I want the objecting attorney.
> You forgot lesson 5: live a life of total paranoia,
> convinced that a device that lets law enforcement
> easily analyze computers is proof positive that a
> fascist government is out to get you
Felix Djerzhinsky's Law: Live your life like everything [in permanent format] will be read by your worst enemy and/or best friend, whichever is worse.
Roger Zelazny: pure Sword and Sorcery: Dilvish the Damned, The Changing Land
with a bit of modernism: Changling and Madwand