He won't die though, at least in his mind. He's thinking money will somehow let him live forever, the planet be damned.
He doesn't think he'll live forever. Exactly the opposite, most of the people making the decisions and their backers are able to reap the rewards today, without living long enough to suffer the consequences years down the line. They don't give a shit about future generations, those are problems future generations will have to solve, not them.
So... do we need to artificially prop up their jobs if their jobs are having adverse affects on the rest of the country? Why? Why do the coal companies not have to pay for the consequences of their pollution?
So your problem is with the Leaf's implementation of Bluetooth, not Bluetooth. You should complain to Nissan.
Like I said, every other car audio system I've tried has been worse. But I'm not sure that it even matters. These problems exist, they happen, I'm not making them up. All I'm saying is that I don't have the problem when using analog cables -- the car audio doesn't have any trouble interpreting audio sent over a cable, the phone doesn't have any trouble sending it, and BEST OF ALL... no handshaking that takes up time. Bluetooth is adding more complex programming over a system where that was unnecessary before. And the older I get and more time I spend in the tech industry, the more I've realized that means there's more of a chance for someone to fuck up the programming. Different vendors can't implement the protocol correctly, the protocol sucks in the first place, and it's all buggy anyway. Make a system more complex, and it just means it will fuck more and in more frustrating ways. The future sucks.
They don't offer YOU an advantage, but you are in the very tiny overlapping Venn circles that I was referring to. The vast majority of the buying public will chose the thin phone over the one with the legacy jack.
The vast majority of the buying public won't have a choice and won't care that much because of it. They'll take what they get, as they always do. This is hardly an issue that is being spurred by consumer demand. Tim Cook's deservedly mocked statement that removing the audio jack was 'courage' was his acknowledgment that no one was asking for it; Apple was trying to drive and change what people considered normal. No one really cares that their phone is 3mm instead of 3.5mm. It has a lot more to do with what Apple and Samsung care about than it does what the end user cares about.
> And Bluetooth continues to suck, for a variety of reasons.
Does it?
Yes. It absolutely does. Here's my day to day experience with bluetooth. Get in the car, set the phone down and turn the car audio to bluetooth mode. Fortunately, it's still 'technically' paired so I don't have to re-pair. However, the last device that my car audio was paired with tends to be my husband's phone, so now the audio system flails a bit while trying to figure out how to connect. Even though my Galaxy S reports that the BT audio has connected immediately, the car audio (comes with the 2016 Leaf, so not exactly ancient) says that the device is not connected. So I'll pull over to the side of the road and start fiddling. I'll select my phone from the car's bluetooth menu, it'll pop up a "downloading address book" popup status message. I didn't ask it to do this, there's no option to turn this off. This step naturally never succeeds. I cancel, try again. Same thing. Eventually, it'll just start skipping this step and I'll get a 'connect' button finally. This step usually works.
I'll usually have to kill the youtube process on my phone since Youtube's app is not smart enough to switch to a new bluetooth connection when it happens (when I'm in the car, I'll get a hankering to listen to a specific song I don't have on my phone. I've found Youtube is the best for that). Now, thanks to collisions in instructions between the car and the phone, the audio stream will start, auto-pause, and then start again. At that point, I'll either have gotten into a car accident or arrived at my destination.
My husband told me that the process probably wouldn't be nearly as rough if we weren't switching devices all the time, that the car wouldn't have to flail around reconnecting. But generally he'll connect his phone during the week, and I'll connect mine during the weekend. Maybe it really would be better if there was just one music device per output. I could blame my car audio system, and I certainly do, but the other car audio systems with bluetooth I'd tried were even worse. This being more recent, it actually works better.
It shouldn't be surprising that my husband's iphone works a bit better than my Samsung Galaxy -- of course the cars with the fancy audio systems will be designed for Apple's stuff. But I'm not looking forward to my next car where most likely there won't even be an analog jack, nor do I look forward to the "phones of the future" which will have no audio jack but instead some fucked up sound system that requires more fiddling than analog wires ever did, requires batteries that have to be recharged and will die out and are likely not replaceable, and sound worse than ye olde analog.
But geez, at least it doesn't have wires! Wires are horrible! So horrible that it's worth all these other sound fuckups just to get rid of wires!
At the retirement party for one of my best managers I asked him one question: "What's your secret to being a great manager?" his answer: "My only job is to enable my people to do theirs."
And I had a manager say "don't be afraid to hire people smarter than you." Seems obvious in retrospect, but I wonder how often that's followed.
AC is modded down, but he's absolutely right. He didn't die in some sort of heroic sacrifice. He died because he paniced and was scared of being put on trial. I know we have a lot of cowards here who will happily mod us down for saying so, because really that's all they have the power to do, but he wasn't killed tied to a fence, or lynched, or tortured to death in prison. He chose suicide, the coward's way out.
Yeah, the US voted against a ban on the Death Penalty, adding in the "on homosexuals" to make it sound worse doesn't really help your position at all.
Are you sure we're reading the same thing?
The resolution doesn’t call for the end to capital punishment altogether, but asks member nations not to use it in a “discriminatory manner”—including against against minors and pregnant women, or for blasphemy and consensual same-sex relations.
Please for fux ache check out how democracy works in Switzerland.
Sweet, a tiny, monoculture country! I'm sure it will be tremendously relevant to a 300+ million population country with huge swaths of land and some of the greatest diversity on the planet.
If corporations are "persons", give one vote each to those corporations?
Corporations are not "persons," they are collections of people. The ruling that everyone hates states that a collection of people do not give up their free speech rights just because they're collective and not individually lobbying.
I don't think you understand what the word "remote" means. By definition if there is a gas station nearby, then the location isn't remote.
Fine. Unless you're in Alaska, or the very heart of a national forest, there's really no such thing as "remote" in the USA anymore. People live everywhere.
By the way, the sun is everywhere. If you got out of your mother's basement, you would know that.
Light is everywhere. Sun is not. It's quite possible to be in the shade, have the sun hidden behind, say, a mountain, or even to be driving at night. Exotic, I know.
At major airports there is no longer a significant delay at the rental car counter
Hmmm, every airport I've needed to pick up a car from has been the same: reserve car online (no need for a rental counter at the airport). Sit outside and wait for awhile for the rental car company shuttles to pick you up, because the cars are always located pretty far from the airport itself. When you finally get there, stand in line at the rental counter -- someone has to give you a key, after all. I certainly am not loyal enough to join their loyalty program. I expect it would make sense if you're renting many times a year.
Antifa and BLM are regularly killing police? On what planet?
I would guess he's talking about the high-profile shooting of five Dallas police officers and the subsequent victims' relatives' lawsuit against BLM. However, we don't have any evidence the shooter was a member of BLM, just that he was angry over police shootings of black men. He was once a member of the New Black Panther Party, but they kicked him out because they thought he was too dangerous.
Exactly! The thing that gets me about my fellow left leaning folks is that they think bitching on the web of marching in the streets will cause change
I can't remember which show it was, maybe it was Fresh Air, but I remember hearing on NPR a conversation with retired congressman Barney Frank. He went to a few Occupy Wall Street events to check out what people were saying. They were generally dumps, but there were a lot of people singing and protesting. Thinking back to his similar experiences walking through Tea Party gatherings, he asked the OWS organizers there why there weren't any voter registration areas like he'd seen in the Tea Party events, ways to harness this desire for change into actual change. Their response was that "doing that, yeah man, that's not really our thing." In the interview, Frank said that he knew right then and there that OWS would have exactly zero impact. Or at least, it wouldn't have the sort of impact that they would have wanted.
is already stretched to the max. It wasn't that long ago we had rolling blackouts.
The grid was fine in 2000-2001, those were mostly political and business decisions. IE, the blackouts were entirely artificial and created intentionally. The reasons were: 1) Partial, not total deregulation of the energy market. Wholesale prices were deregulated, but retail prices remained frozen. That worked under the assumption that the frozen rates would always be higher than wholesale, which was true until 2000. Energy producers started shutting down plants to raise prices. That meant the utilities had to purchase energy at a loss.It encouraged transmission constraints on the part of the producers since customer demand of energy didn't change. 2) Faking overcongestion because the overcongestion fees became pure profit. 3) Drought in the pacific northwest reduced their power exports, removing one of California's out-of-state producers of energy. 4) The main north-south electrical relay became a bottleneck, and that actually is the fault of the grid. It constrained moving energy around. 5) The large power producers (Enron was most successful at this) was able to create shortages by shutting down plants, allowing the restricted supply to increase the price of energy on the spot market. Power that was $45 / mWh in 1999 was now sold up to $1450 / mWh on the spot market, because the politicians had the unfortunate choice of allowing the blackouts to continue, or pay through the nose for the new prices of energy.
In short, a few things were grid-related, but most of this was easily avoidable.
Nice excuse, but most mountain roads aren't obscured by trees. Mountains also mean elevation, which mean sunshine.
We're not talking about driving up and down Everest here. Unless you're above the cloud line, mountains still mean shade, and (hopefully, otherwise it can be a miserable drive) trees. Plus, it's just as likely that a good portion of the day you'll be in the mountain's shadow, bad news for solar.
You also said: "Electric vehicles have 300+ mile ranges now" some upper-end, super-expensive electric cars have 300+ mile ranges. If you spend an extra $12k on top of the $35k bare-minimum price tag, you can get a battery that has 330 miles of range. Of course, that range plunges if you're not traveling on flat land. I have a 2016 Leaf as my primary car. At best, it has a 110-mile range on the battery, and that was the best you could get without going into the high-end market. With moderate (not even mountain) uphill roads, that decreases to about 60-70m of range between full recharges. Of course, if I was going downhill the whole time I'd probably get something like 180m of range, so it all evens out, but that doesn't help if you can't reach your destination without spending 4 hours charging. Solar panels are nice, but their throughput is not fast. Even if you could magically convert 100% of the energy of the sunlight falling on your car, there's just not that much hitting it, just a small, small, small fraction of what you'd need to drive in real time. If solar panels could do that, manufacturers would be fucking falling over themselves to bolt them on. Your 120V electrical adapter recharges at best, 5 miles of range per hour, solar panels on cars even less so. That's not very fast.
Enjoy your 2 day walk to the nearest gas station though.
Gas stations in remote areas is an example of a "solved problem." Electric chargers are absolutely not.
- mow your lawn - clean your house - work in your restaurants - pick your fruits - clean your restrooms at the office - clean your hotel room
Maybe we'll just have to do it ourselves! You know, like in the old days before somehow we became too "good" for that work. Companies should pay the actual value of the work, not a fraction of it because they have a pool of illegal under-the-table desperate for a few dollars. I'm sorry if that throws the economy for a loop, but it is morally unjustifiable to build it on less-than-subsistence indentured labor.
... and get to be possibly the last generation to be able to own a car with a V8 roar and manual transmission
Meh. I mean, I grew up around those cars in the 70s too, and the V8 roar is nothing more than a way to piss off everyone around you. The auditory equivalent of "rolling coal." I guess if you're nostalgic it can give you a warm feeling, but the older I've gotten, the more I've disliked the pollution around me. That includes the noise pollution (I love how QUIET an electric car can be) as well as light pollution (completely unrelated, but I miss being able to see the Milky Way from my backyard rather than having to travel 200 miles to see it).
Let's also be pessimistic and say you only get 200 miles off-road from your battery
The brand-new 2018 models of the Tesla 3 and the Leaf 2018 have a battery that tops out at 220 miles. Current Leafs get around 110. And that's IDEAL. If your driving conditions aren't ideal (say, a small grade), that range drops precipitously.
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I'm pretty sure that there won't be 2 billion automobiles in the Netherlands by 2030.
Look, you don't know what a car-crazy culture the Netherlands are. Every man, woman, and child thinks it's normal to have 1175 cars in their garage.
He won't die though, at least in his mind. He's thinking money will somehow let him live forever, the planet be damned.
He doesn't think he'll live forever. Exactly the opposite, most of the people making the decisions and their backers are able to reap the rewards today, without living long enough to suffer the consequences years down the line. They don't give a shit about future generations, those are problems future generations will have to solve, not them.
Tell that the the coal miners.
So... do we need to artificially prop up their jobs if their jobs are having adverse affects on the rest of the country? Why? Why do the coal companies not have to pay for the consequences of their pollution?
So your problem is with the Leaf's implementation of Bluetooth, not Bluetooth. You should complain to Nissan.
Like I said, every other car audio system I've tried has been worse.
But I'm not sure that it even matters. These problems exist, they happen, I'm not making them up. All I'm saying is that I don't have the problem when using analog cables -- the car audio doesn't have any trouble interpreting audio sent over a cable, the phone doesn't have any trouble sending it, and BEST OF ALL... no handshaking that takes up time.
Bluetooth is adding more complex programming over a system where that was unnecessary before. And the older I get and more time I spend in the tech industry, the more I've realized that means there's more of a chance for someone to fuck up the programming. Different vendors can't implement the protocol correctly, the protocol sucks in the first place, and it's all buggy anyway. Make a system more complex, and it just means it will fuck more and in more frustrating ways. The future sucks.
They don't offer YOU an advantage, but you are in the very tiny overlapping Venn circles that I was referring to. The vast majority of the buying public will chose the thin phone over the one with the legacy jack.
The vast majority of the buying public won't have a choice and won't care that much because of it. They'll take what they get, as they always do. This is hardly an issue that is being spurred by consumer demand. Tim Cook's deservedly mocked statement that removing the audio jack was 'courage' was his acknowledgment that no one was asking for it; Apple was trying to drive and change what people considered normal. No one really cares that their phone is 3mm instead of 3.5mm. It has a lot more to do with what Apple and Samsung care about than it does what the end user cares about.
Car infotainment systems suck. My experience is much better, but I am the only driver in my car.
It sucks, because I have my music collection on my phone, and I pretty much only ever have music on in the car.
> And Bluetooth continues to suck, for a variety of reasons.
Does it?
Yes. It absolutely does. Here's my day to day experience with bluetooth.
Get in the car, set the phone down and turn the car audio to bluetooth mode. Fortunately, it's still 'technically' paired so I don't have to re-pair. However, the last device that my car audio was paired with tends to be my husband's phone, so now the audio system flails a bit while trying to figure out how to connect. Even though my Galaxy S reports that the BT audio has connected immediately, the car audio (comes with the 2016 Leaf, so not exactly ancient) says that the device is not connected. So I'll pull over to the side of the road and start fiddling. I'll select my phone from the car's bluetooth menu, it'll pop up a "downloading address book" popup status message. I didn't ask it to do this, there's no option to turn this off. This step naturally never succeeds. I cancel, try again. Same thing. Eventually, it'll just start skipping this step and I'll get a 'connect' button finally. This step usually works.
I'll usually have to kill the youtube process on my phone since Youtube's app is not smart enough to switch to a new bluetooth connection when it happens (when I'm in the car, I'll get a hankering to listen to a specific song I don't have on my phone. I've found Youtube is the best for that). Now, thanks to collisions in instructions between the car and the phone, the audio stream will start, auto-pause, and then start again. At that point, I'll either have gotten into a car accident or arrived at my destination.
My husband told me that the process probably wouldn't be nearly as rough if we weren't switching devices all the time, that the car wouldn't have to flail around reconnecting. But generally he'll connect his phone during the week, and I'll connect mine during the weekend. Maybe it really would be better if there was just one music device per output. I could blame my car audio system, and I certainly do, but the other car audio systems with bluetooth I'd tried were even worse. This being more recent, it actually works better.
It shouldn't be surprising that my husband's iphone works a bit better than my Samsung Galaxy -- of course the cars with the fancy audio systems will be designed for Apple's stuff. But I'm not looking forward to my next car where most likely there won't even be an analog jack, nor do I look forward to the "phones of the future" which will have no audio jack but instead some fucked up sound system that requires more fiddling than analog wires ever did, requires batteries that have to be recharged and will die out and are likely not replaceable, and sound worse than ye olde analog.
But geez, at least it doesn't have wires! Wires are horrible! So horrible that it's worth all these other sound fuckups just to get rid of wires!
Kindof hard to make beer without water, though..
Man, don't get those two movies confused.
You are obviously still living in 1992, when encryption was considered a Magic Bullet.
I believe in 1992, encryption was considered literal bullets, weapons-grade munitions not fit for export.
At the retirement party for one of my best managers I asked him one question: "What's your secret to being a great manager?" his answer: "My only job is to enable my people to do theirs."
And I had a manager say "don't be afraid to hire people smarter than you." Seems obvious in retrospect, but I wonder how often that's followed.
AC is modded down, but he's absolutely right. He didn't die in some sort of heroic sacrifice. He died because he paniced and was scared of being put on trial. I know we have a lot of cowards here who will happily mod us down for saying so, because really that's all they have the power to do, but he wasn't killed tied to a fence, or lynched, or tortured to death in prison. He chose suicide, the coward's way out.
Yeah, the US voted against a ban on the Death Penalty, adding in the "on homosexuals" to make it sound worse doesn't really help your position at all.
Are you sure we're reading the same thing?
Please for fux ache check out how democracy works in Switzerland.
Sweet, a tiny, monoculture country! I'm sure it will be tremendously relevant to a 300+ million population country with huge swaths of land and some of the greatest diversity on the planet.
If corporations are "persons", give one vote each to those corporations?
Corporations are not "persons," they are collections of people. The ruling that everyone hates states that a collection of people do not give up their free speech rights just because they're collective and not individually lobbying.
I don't think you understand what the word "remote" means. By definition if there is a gas station nearby, then the location isn't remote.
Fine. Unless you're in Alaska, or the very heart of a national forest, there's really no such thing as "remote" in the USA anymore. People live everywhere.
By the way, the sun is everywhere. If you got out of your mother's basement, you would know that.
Light is everywhere. Sun is not. It's quite possible to be in the shade, have the sun hidden behind, say, a mountain, or even to be driving at night. Exotic, I know.
At major airports there is no longer a significant delay at the rental car counter
Hmmm, every airport I've needed to pick up a car from has been the same: reserve car online (no need for a rental counter at the airport). Sit outside and wait for awhile for the rental car company shuttles to pick you up, because the cars are always located pretty far from the airport itself. When you finally get there, stand in line at the rental counter -- someone has to give you a key, after all.
I certainly am not loyal enough to join their loyalty program. I expect it would make sense if you're renting many times a year.
Did you just assume a gender? You’re worse than hitler.
As an insult, a "cunt" can be either male or female. (See especially The Hound from Game of Thrones)
Antifa and BLM are regularly killing police? On what planet?
I would guess he's talking about the high-profile shooting of five Dallas police officers and the subsequent victims' relatives' lawsuit against BLM. However, we don't have any evidence the shooter was a member of BLM, just that he was angry over police shootings of black men. He was once a member of the New Black Panther Party, but they kicked him out because they thought he was too dangerous.
Exactly! The thing that gets me about my fellow left leaning folks is that they think bitching on the web of marching in the streets will cause change
I can't remember which show it was, maybe it was Fresh Air, but I remember hearing on NPR a conversation with retired congressman Barney Frank. He went to a few Occupy Wall Street events to check out what people were saying. They were generally dumps, but there were a lot of people singing and protesting. Thinking back to his similar experiences walking through Tea Party gatherings, he asked the OWS organizers there why there weren't any voter registration areas like he'd seen in the Tea Party events, ways to harness this desire for change into actual change. Their response was that "doing that, yeah man, that's not really our thing." In the interview, Frank said that he knew right then and there that OWS would have exactly zero impact. Or at least, it wouldn't have the sort of impact that they would have wanted.
is already stretched to the max. It wasn't that long ago we had rolling blackouts.
The grid was fine in 2000-2001, those were mostly political and business decisions. IE, the blackouts were entirely artificial and created intentionally. The reasons were:
1) Partial, not total deregulation of the energy market. Wholesale prices were deregulated, but retail prices remained frozen. That worked under the assumption that the frozen rates would always be higher than wholesale, which was true until 2000. Energy producers started shutting down plants to raise prices. That meant the utilities had to purchase energy at a loss.It encouraged transmission constraints on the part of the producers since customer demand of energy didn't change.
2) Faking overcongestion because the overcongestion fees became pure profit.
3) Drought in the pacific northwest reduced their power exports, removing one of California's out-of-state producers of energy.
4) The main north-south electrical relay became a bottleneck, and that actually is the fault of the grid. It constrained moving energy around.
5) The large power producers (Enron was most successful at this) was able to create shortages by shutting down plants, allowing the restricted supply to increase the price of energy on the spot market. Power that was $45 / mWh in 1999 was now sold up to $1450 / mWh on the spot market, because the politicians had the unfortunate choice of allowing the blackouts to continue, or pay through the nose for the new prices of energy.
In short, a few things were grid-related, but most of this was easily avoidable.
Nice excuse, but most mountain roads aren't obscured by trees. Mountains also mean elevation, which mean sunshine.
We're not talking about driving up and down Everest here. Unless you're above the cloud line, mountains still mean shade, and (hopefully, otherwise it can be a miserable drive) trees. Plus, it's just as likely that a good portion of the day you'll be in the mountain's shadow, bad news for solar.
You also said: "Electric vehicles have 300+ mile ranges now" some upper-end, super-expensive electric cars have 300+ mile ranges. If you spend an extra $12k on top of the $35k bare-minimum price tag, you can get a battery that has 330 miles of range. Of course, that range plunges if you're not traveling on flat land. I have a 2016 Leaf as my primary car. At best, it has a 110-mile range on the battery, and that was the best you could get without going into the high-end market. With moderate (not even mountain) uphill roads, that decreases to about 60-70m of range between full recharges. Of course, if I was going downhill the whole time I'd probably get something like 180m of range, so it all evens out, but that doesn't help if you can't reach your destination without spending 4 hours charging. Solar panels are nice, but their throughput is not fast. Even if you could magically convert 100% of the energy of the sunlight falling on your car, there's just not that much hitting it, just a small, small, small fraction of what you'd need to drive in real time. If solar panels could do that, manufacturers would be fucking falling over themselves to bolt them on. Your 120V electrical adapter recharges at best, 5 miles of range per hour, solar panels on cars even less so. That's not very fast.
Enjoy your 2 day walk to the nearest gas station though.
Gas stations in remote areas is an example of a "solved problem." Electric chargers are absolutely not.
Then who is going to
- mow your lawn
- clean your house
- work in your restaurants
- pick your fruits
- clean your restrooms at the office
- clean your hotel room
Maybe we'll just have to do it ourselves! You know, like in the old days before somehow we became too "good" for that work. Companies should pay the actual value of the work, not a fraction of it because they have a pool of illegal under-the-table desperate for a few dollars.
I'm sorry if that throws the economy for a loop, but it is morally unjustifiable to build it on less-than-subsistence indentured labor.
I'm not entirely sure I like the verbiage though...ALL internal combustion engines?
You realize that includes leaf blowers and lawnmowers, right?
Oh please... please please please PLEASE be right. I mean, I don't think you're right (and the whole thing ain't happening anyway), but fuck.
... and get to be possibly the last generation to be able to own a car with a V8 roar and manual transmission
Meh. I mean, I grew up around those cars in the 70s too, and the V8 roar is nothing more than a way to piss off everyone around you. The auditory equivalent of "rolling coal." I guess if you're nostalgic it can give you a warm feeling, but the older I've gotten, the more I've disliked the pollution around me. That includes the noise pollution (I love how QUIET an electric car can be) as well as light pollution (completely unrelated, but I miss being able to see the Milky Way from my backyard rather than having to travel 200 miles to see it).
Let's also be pessimistic and say you only get 200 miles off-road from your battery
The brand-new 2018 models of the Tesla 3 and the Leaf 2018 have a battery that tops out at 220 miles. Current Leafs get around 110. And that's IDEAL. If your driving conditions aren't ideal (say, a small grade), that range drops precipitously.