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EPA Announces Repeal of Major Obama-Era Carbon Emissions Rule (nytimes.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The New York Times (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source: The Trump administration announced Monday that it would take formal steps to repeal President Barack Obama's signature policy to curb greenhouse gas emissions from power plants, setting up a bitter fight over the future of America's efforts to tackle global warming. At an event in eastern Kentucky, Scott Pruitt, the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, said that his predecessors had departed from regulatory norms in crafting the Clean Power Plan, which was finalized in 2015 and would have pushed states to move away from coal in favor of sources of electricity that produce fewer carbon emissions. The repeal proposal, which will be filed in the Federal Register on Tuesday, fulfills a promise President Trump made to eradicate his predecessor's environmental legacy. Eliminating the Clean Power Plan makes it less likely the United States can fulfill its promise as part of the Paris climate agreement to ratchet down emissions that are warming the planet and contributing to heat waves and sea-level rise. Mr. Trump has vowed to abandon that international accord.
In announcing the repeal, Mr. Pruitt made many of the same arguments that he had made for years to Congress and in lawsuits: that the Obama administration exceeded its legal authority in an effort to limit greenhouse gas emissions from power plants. (Last year, the Supreme Court blocked the rule from taking effect while courts assessed those lawsuits.) A leaked draft of the repeal proposal asserts that the country would save $33 billion by not complying with the regulation and rejects the health benefits the Obama administration had calculated from the original rule.
In announcing the repeal, Mr. Pruitt made many of the same arguments that he had made for years to Congress and in lawsuits: that the Obama administration exceeded its legal authority in an effort to limit greenhouse gas emissions from power plants. (Last year, the Supreme Court blocked the rule from taking effect while courts assessed those lawsuits.) A leaked draft of the repeal proposal asserts that the country would save $33 billion by not complying with the regulation and rejects the health benefits the Obama administration had calculated from the original rule.
No need to drag it out we see whatâ(TM)s going on. Having whores piss on a bed that Obamaâ(TM)s was not enough apparently.
But more importantly:
Fuck you.
Trump is the symptom. You are the problem.
We don't think we're better. We know it.
What's next? Penalize solar and wind and other renewables? Tax people who already have solar panels on their houses and businesses? All so some ass-backwards, mostly dead already coal industry can hang on for a while longer? When will this insanity end?
That lump is the cancer that they got from coal plants' particulate emissions
So do they go beyond the Paris Treaty requirements or not?
Or appointed federal alphabet soup agencies to craft a legacy (no I'm not talking about SCOTUS appointments). Easy come easy go. I bet the president after Trump will reverse what Trumps EPA did as well. If you want a legacy you get law passed through Congress. How's that healthcare repeal coming? Obamas legacy is in the ACA good or bad.
This is great news.
Clearly, my parents were wrong about comic books... we could've all learned something from the debate between scientists and politicians on the Planet Krypton.
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The EPA didn't have the legal framework to regulate CO2 emissions, so they basically used some crackpot policy that CO2 caused asthma and shorten life expectancy. The primary reason they wanted to cut CO2 was for climate change but they legally couldn't regulate on that reason.
Free market will drive energy production towards its natural destination, which is away from fossil fuels, and even nuclear. Distributed power generation and storage is where the future (currently) lies - the tipping point has already been reached. Solar production is not skyrocketing because the CAA pushed power companies away from fossil fuels. The core reason is the global manufacturing industry has slowly, and finally, ramped up photovoltaic cell production to the point that it is extremely competitive. Battery technology (not just driven by energy demands, but primarily by mobile computing which requires very high-density, long-lasting batteries) has been increasing steadily as well. Couple the two together and you have a big part of the future of energy production.
So as with many things in politics, this move is purely... political, and really doesn't matter either way. Sort of like the Paris Agreement.
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and what they deserve.
I didn't realise that Obama had been a Major. When was that? Anyway, as long as they don't repeal the President Obama-era emission rules we should be fine.
I suspect his work toward reducing greenhouse emissions generated a performance-driven promotion to Major Obvious.
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So when will they change the name of the department to reflect what it has become. The Environmental Exploitation Agency.
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Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Natural gas killed it. Cheaper, fewer emissions, fewer miners killed. Does't matter what the cheeto in charge wants or legislates, natgas has killed coal.
I remember as a kid dad driving past oil fields burning off natural gas. I couldn't believe it was cheaper to burn it off that to sell it. Still can't, to be honest.
The prohibiting of access to capital to poor people through regulations making it required to pay lawyers a million dollars to stay legal makes the U.S. a communist country. This leads to negative growth which curses the administration. To keep it looking like growth is happening, the government prints trillions of dollars to pump into the economy. This would lead to inflation making the dollar worthless, so the military forces all oil producing countries to sell their oil in U.S. dollars which the rest of the world must buy to pay for oil, propping up the U.S. dollar.
Utilities have strong economic reasoning to use Nat gas, and wind. And most states are fighting against coal powered plants. As such, coal will continue to disappear. Hopefully, nukes and Geothermal will get subsidies. We need clean baseload power.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
"good things are happening for the rest of the country!"
Facts not in evidence. Care to elaborate as to where? Even coal country doesn't really like coal. They only like it because it's largely the only employer in the area, and people need to eat and support welfare rural areas. Even they know the pollution they spew creates problems downwind.
As to the "rest" of the country, so much for bringing the country together. You burn so you can get rich, while the rest of the country chokes.
This is why ruling a country with ideas is a stupid waste of wealth and time, it must be ruled based on reality, specifically the near and long term.
another initiative or policy by the previous administration, that is. anyone keeping track? must be at least 20 items so far, if not more. anything tied to obama is fucked. and not the nice, friendly kind of fucked, either, but rather the ass raping with a diamond-tipped jackhammer kind.
I wonder what the jobs:deaths ratio will turn out to be for that decision by the end of this presidential term.
Nullius in verba
I'd encourage everyone to actually read the EPA's document as it lays out the ways in which the Clean Power Plan doesn't follow the law on the books.
In short, the Clean Air Act, which Obama used to justify his regulation, authorizes specific ways of regulating pollutants. The regulation here wasn't in line with those authorized approaches, so it was without legal authorization.
Obama COULD HAVE put in place a policy that was actually legal. He didn't, for better or worse, and so his plan was found wanting by the courts before being corrected presently.
As for Trump, we should celebrate the moments where he recognizes the legal constraints of his office. With so many people worried about him being authoritarian, let's encourage these shows of legal restraint.
Coal Ash Is More Radioactive Than Nuclear Waste
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/
one of the party's central tenets is low taxes on business lead to better outcomes for the country. These sorts of tax breaks are exactly what they stand for.
Not that I'm in favor of letting the invisible hand sort it out mind you. When in anyone's life has a bad situation been made better by leaving it alone and hoping for the best?
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...while the World implodes.
Are you claiming that the diameter of the earth is decreasing?
Nice try Mr. Steele, but everyone knows that 4chan/pol trolled you, pillow biter!
If everybody takes care of their own problems and nobody takes care of everybody's problems, then everybody dies. See: Tragedy of the commons.
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Too bad only a small handful of persons or legal-persons will actually see any of it; the rest of us are just going to eat all of the sludge and fallout, while also paying for these cuts and "savings" that they've made upon our backs.
These "persons" should not be allowed to continue living.
YES! Now we get to wear those fashionable masks that are all the rage in Beijing! GO RUSSIA!
The electricity comes from the batteries in the cars.
What happens when the battery runs out?
You are white and using facts, so you are clearly a fascist pig. Emperor Obama can do no wrong, and Trump is evil. That is all
It's the hottest planet in the solar system because of its CO2 based runaway greenhouse gas situation. It's remarkably bad model to want to emulate.
Someone left the poo jar open in the ape pen again, they're flinging!
In reality, no one but the 0.001% takes care of anything, because all the resources (47%) are owned by that 3,000
The NYT and other MSM outlets are obsessed with Trump's tweets. Meanwhile he's steadily undoing everything Obama did in the last 8 years and they don't even notice. It's like they lose their fucking minds over little stuff and don't notice the big stuff. He pardoned Arpaio right before Harvey hit. I had turned CNN on because they usually do a good job on Hurricane coverage. It was like they just forgot the Hurricane. It was the hate Trump fest. They are so obsessed over the petty crap and he knows it.
Time will tell...
What happens when the battery runs out?
Some people think that Teslas use the Energizer Bunny, they somehow are all magically still going apparently without coal fired electrical plants. One thing I will give Elon credit for is the innovative idea of creating a solar roof tile system for the home. This is one hell of a great idea that could catch on rapidly if it is not just used as a cash cow to subsidize his car production and priced so high that only the rich can afford the solar roof replacement tiles and grid system. Solar roofing could easily become so common we would not have to subsidize solar energy production but not if there is only one company with a monopoly on the system.
If you want to drive electric cars, you'll need electricity. Consider every time you charge your Tesla, 32-33% of that charge comes from coal, in the US. Can't have it both ways. Morons.
Well if you want to be precise, how about 30.4 % from coal. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs..., at least for 2016. Expect it to be a little lower in 2017.
Repealing such rules, making it cheaper to burn oil or coal, push the "when" even further back. And THAT is the problem : it will allows for even more gigatons of CO2 in the atmosphere in the mean time, when such a rule may , at a slight cost, have slowed down the emissions. So unless you are a climate change denier, repealing such a rule is a very obvious "fuck you" to future generations, just for a SHORT TERM benefit, fuck the long term. Thanks the FSM I will be dead and I have no children, when the effects will start to be felt. I will shed a tear for the children of others. But that's about it. After all THEIR parents voted for Trump and will vote for republican in the near future.
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Lynnwood asked for subsidies that other companies don't get. Recently Amazon has been shopping for a new HQ location, guess what they are asking for. Pretty much all of the above.
That percentage won't get lower with the new regulations, the Obama plan would have improved it...
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Devoid of ideas of his own trump just wants to repeal everything that Obama did, whether it is good, bad or indifferent
> What's next? Penalize solar and wind
Been there, seen that, done that. In Hungary, the reigning Putin-lapdog regime trickily banned wind energy installation to create artificial demand for a new 2 x 1200MW nuclear fission powerplant being built by Rossia-Atomflot.
They decreed wind turbines create noise and disturb people, so any of them must be located at the arbitrarily determined distance of at least 11km (6nm) from any populated areas. Except Hungary is a small european country, 20% smaller than Pennsylvania for comparison and has 10 million inhabitants distributed rather evenly. Therefore no point exists in the country which could meet that condition.
The European Union tried to look into that obviously illegal regulation enacted by one of its member states, but german industrialists on Putin's payroll blocked the investigation. (Germany just loves russian oil and gas, as wind and solar cannot meet all their needs and they only have poor quality and very dirty "brown coal" domestically.)
One way is a flat tax on income (not corporate profit). You and I pay a tax on income, why shouldn't a corporation?
What's an appropriate tax rate? Well, the function of government for the country is much like "general overhead and administration" in a corporation. Typically corporations spend between 20%-25% of revenue on this (Forbes, 2012), so let's say government should spend no more than 25% of (citizens'+corporations') income/revenue. And that's for all government - Federal, state and local. (Personally I pay much more than that of my income when I add it all up,)
Advantages - progressive (the more you make the more you pay), simple (would save over 6 billion hours of tax preparation effort annually - equivalent to 3 million full time workers (Forbes, 2011)), removes distortions from the economy caused by loopholes ("the invisible hand" is allowed to work). Forces the elimination of inappropriate government functions - they'd still need to figure out how many dollars go to what purposes, but if you mimic what is in a company's overhead and administrative costs, you'd see a lot of what the governments do is best done by someone else or simply not done. (Zero-based budgeting is a wonderful mechanism - it should be used by government, instead of "this year is x% more than last year for everything we do.")
Disadvantages - The Federal, state and local governments would need to fight it out to see who gets what piece of that 25% (maybe start with 15%/7%/3% and adjust as needed). And I'm not sure that's a disadvantage - each level of government would have to justify its percentage of the pie.
Basically, we have not had a healthy debate in this country about what the proper role of government is. Since the days of "the Great Society", the perceived role has been allowed to expand to include functions never conceived of by the Founding Fathers. Which explains the unsustainable debt the nation has. Time to get back to basics, dramatically simplify the tax code, and rein in the size and scope of government.
It hurts in the throats and lungs of those living downwind from these sooty polluters. Coal is dirty, coal is dangerous, coal is death. But I guess that, too, is just a Chinese hoax or fake news cooked up by liberal media, huh? Also is counter to the current reality where power generators opt for natural gas (not much better than coal) and renewables. Trump & Co once again show that they are totally detached from reality. If it generates jobs, then maybe a few hundred...far cry from the thousands that Trump fired from his administration.
It is, just with alternative facts.
there are only 76,000 coal industry workers in the country.
that's not just miners, but everyone in the industry: office workers, sales staff, equipment mechanics, etc.
actual miners are only 50k.
its a dying industry. destroying the environment for the sake of an industry smaller than the year round ski tourism industry is hardly sound economic policy. there is not and never was a war on coal. coal was killed by free market forces, not governmental ones.
advancing coal industry objectives is a detriment to the economy and the public health.
advancing green energy industry is both a much larger economic stimulus (employing more than 10x as many people), its also better for the public health and as a result less of a drain on future economy as fewer people will be sickened by the pollution from burning coal.
there is no reason to favor the coal industry.
not in economic terms, not in labor terms, and not in terms related to public health.
the ONLY reasons to favor the coal industry is out of some misguided left/right partisan stupidity, or being one of their paid shills.
both of which apply to Pruitt.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Scott Pruitt is an asshole. He's that amoral jackass in the movie who always realizes at the end of the movie just how fucking stupid they are, and die gruesomely as a result. Think of "the company" in the Alien movies. People like Burke. They just have no fucking clue what they're dealing with, and when reality catches up to them them get their faces eaten.
You don't fuck with mother nature.
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except it's not an executive order.
the EPA is an independent federal agency, bound by law establishing its charter to work to improve and protect the environment in order to protect the public health. the Clean Power Plan falls under that jurisdiction.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Trump's tax-break policy is incomplete but it seems the middle-class will be subsidizing their richer colleagues: Quel surprise!
This is the problem Trump has with his repeal Obama-care pledge. If it really happens, all those 'eevil gubbermint' voters will realize their government actually helps them.
This is as intellectually dishonest as it gets. At the very end of the article is the clarification:
Emphasis mine.
OMG the radiation shielding does its job, who would have thought it.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Here is a real CO2 vs atmosphere graph using real data that even Trump can understand.
If you want to drive electric cars, you'll need electricity.
We could power them with the methane emissions coming from your face, the only question then is generator or fuel cell?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
(some additional context)
There is ample precedent and case law that the EPA not only has the authority to regulate CO2 emissions, it also has an obligation to do so. Here are two relatively recent decisions:
Massachusettes v EPA: a 5-4 decision from 2007 that said that, under the wording of the Clean Air Act, CO2 emissions fall under the EPA's jurisdiction. Indeed, the ruling went so far as to say that the EPA cannot ignore CO2 pollution by failing to regulate it.
Utility Air v EPA: a 7-2 decision from 2014 (authored by Scalia) that, among other things, allows the EPA to regulate the emissions of large stationary polluters - particularly power plants.
Perhaps we need a cap on the maximum age of POTUS? This one seems to think like it's 1955.
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If what is being overturned is indeed an overreach, then it should be rolled back. With that being said, each state can and SHOULD do what they feel is right for their state, if that means that they continue down the path of the Obama restrictions, so be it, THAT is what they should be doing, making choices as a state, not being mandated in a way that doesn't fit within the legal boundaries of Federal jurisdiction. Aren't the states supposed to be more autonomous? Why aren't they making better choices so that a higher power doesn't have to step in and mandate?
I remember as a kid in the 1960/70s not being allowed outside during summer vacation due to "Smog Alerts". So glad we're making America great again. Looking forward to the enjoyable times of not letting my kids play outside.
Here is a real CO2 vs atmosphere graph using real data that even Trump can understand.
Different 'AC'
Corrected the link, though I'd dispute whether Trump could understand / usefully interpret what it's telling us. Frankly, with no context given, I'm not even sure what the original poster thinks it says...
OMG the radiation shielding does its job, who would have thought it.
It does until it doesn't, and water is not really known for behaving itself. It is in fact known for being tricky.
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Most of Obama's signature programs have been built on a foundation of sand. Executive Orders, Policy changes, etc.
The result is that they can and have been easily reversed.
Now if you want to re-instate such programs and policies, do it the right way and come to the table prepared to abandon the hysteria and alarmism and actually deal in good faith when measuring the effects vs good economic policy. Then real legislation can be created to lock in the policies.
I believe that most of the Envirowacko's agendas can be restated and implemented in economic terms that don't include doomsday scenarios and zealotry.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Yep, and then suddenly flyash stops being more radioactive.
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The Kryptonians were genetically-modified to be xenophobic and bound to their planet, so were suspicious about any attempt or reason to leave it.
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Yep, each State can put their power plants on the border of the downwind State and make the pollution someone elses problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Methane is not produced by humans from an orifice on the face...
It's as if you are willfully ignoring the SCIENCE.
Duly updated, will use a 30% figure in the future.
Then he probably should have convinced people to make a law about it, instead of manipulating regulatory enforcement systems to accomplish it.
He won't die though, at least in his mind. He's thinking money will somehow let him live forever, the planet be damned.
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And it won't end with Trump and EPA regulation rollbacks. You freaks will go so far left that it will be almost a certainty that Ted Cruz will be elected President in 2024 and more state legislatures will swing Republican. At that time we have a real chance at a constitutional convention to get balanced budget and congressional term limit amendments in the constitution.
But at least you'll still have /. to whine and complain on.
Lynnwood asked for subsidies that other companies don't get. Recently Amazon has been shopping for a new HQ location, guess what they are asking for. Pretty much all of the above.
Doesn't matter. doctorvo did not specify that "solar and wind and other renewables" not get exclusive subsidies, but insisted they not get any.
We're addressing that request, not LynnwoodRooster's false imprecation.
All subsidies for fossil fuels must go, period.
It burns!
This is sounding more and more like the GWB years: stall and stammering until a massive disaster occurs allowing the administration to look tough and take power, looking inept THE ENTIRE TIME while raiding the coffers and doing the really dirty work behind the scenes.
After all, "never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity"
Same playbook from GWB. They're very competent, they just don't want YOU to think so.
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He's going to build a wall between US and Mexico. He's going to ally with the Russians. He is going to attack North Korea. These are not anti-Obama ideas, these are his own ideas.
What you're saying is that you would take a President who was lawful evil above someone chaotic good? I don't buy that.
If so little coal is being mined these days, then will the (apperently small) number of remaining coal power plants make that big a difference?
How this administration has no ideas of their own?
There's a small number of miners because technology acts as a force multiplier allowing one man to mine much more coal than they could 50 years ago. It's the same environmental costs distributed across an ever smaller labor pool.
The sanctity of states rights is not a defensible position in all cases. It wasn't that long ago that a collection of states decided that maintaining slavery as a practice was good for them. Like it or not, state governments aren't magically able to determine the right actions more than the rest of us, especially if the consequences of their decisions extend beyond their own borders. If Wisconsin decided to dump all of it's waste in the Mississippi River, there is no reason why their right to self determination should override the states south of them. Hence, it would be appropriate for the federal government to step in. It's not as if these states aren't represented in the federal government.
Yup. I've said before that anything that's done with a pen & a phone can be undone with a phone and a twit.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Trump is just an obsessed. Unfortunately the administration is a lot more than just one man. Pruitt has his agent and is becoming quite successful at implementing it. Ajit Pai much the same. Betsy Devos is leaving her death mark too. Lord only knows what Pompeo is up to.
So many of our institutions are under attack right now and it largely goes unchallenged by the media overly focused on tweets. Some tweets do matter, the majority of them don't. It really doesn't matter what Corker thinks of Trump, if you're of sound mind you already know Trump is a scammer and you've already noticed all his speeches never actually contain anything actionable. How you can talk for an hour and say nothing definitive is impressive but most definitely unhelpful. Its easy to say tax code change will be good for the middle class, without saying exactly how and using bad examples like a farmer afraid of the estate tax despite the fact that it won't even impact him.
If I die with everybody else, they were MY problems in the first place. Tragedy of the Commons fails because it assumes I care about the external benefit to you of saving myself. I don't. I am willing to save everyone else too as long as I make it out alive myself.
As they were under attack by the Obama admin, and the Bush admin before them and the Clinton admin before them. unfortunately, wing nuts run BOTH parties in this country.
If you want to drive electric cars, you'll need electricity. Consider every time you charge your Tesla, 32-33% of that charge comes from coal, in the US. Can't have it both ways. Morons.
Well if you want to be precise, how about 30.4 % from coal. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs..., at least for 2016. Expect it to be a little lower in 2017.
Well, that just totally upends his point ...
Yeah Yeah, we heard it all before. Destroying the planet blah blah blah. We have to do something blah blah. We need renewable energy, no coal or fossil fuels, CO2 bad, blah blah. Same message that I ignore because I don't believe you. You don't speak for me. Your so-called science is lefty-biased. Punish the bad republican evil, racist, homophobic, anti-science, selfish, uncaring fools. You words have no meaning anymore, your message falls on deaf ears, because it's to politicized to be believed, other than as the rantings of crazed partisan hacks. Just shut the fuck up. We don't want your stupidity. We don't trust the messenger.
The entire lesson of the Tragedy of the Commons is that trying to take care of everybody's problems leads to disaster.
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That is what should never be done. Legislation should be based on evidence and reason, never on feelings.
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So Obama was lying when he said he'd destroy the coal industry?
The use of coal as fuel will fall over time, particularly if the resultant pollution is penalized in accordance with the actual damage done. Penalizing it more heavily than that is unjust and causes net damage.
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I don't know where you got that bizarro definition. I even checked conservapedia.
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No, you were lying when you stated Obama said any such thing. He did say building a NEW coal power plant would bankrupt you, but that's a far cry from destroying the entire industry. Perhaps you're thinking of Clinton's campaign comment?
Not that actual facts ever matter to you conservative but jobs.
He won't die though, at least in his mind. He's thinking money will somehow let him live forever, the planet be damned.
He doesn't think he'll live forever. Exactly the opposite, most of the people making the decisions and their backers are able to reap the rewards today, without living long enough to suffer the consequences years down the line. They don't give a shit about future generations, those are problems future generations will have to solve, not them.
A B.S. click bait headline.
Yet, if a coal plant were a nuclear facility; they would be shut down for blowing so much radioactive material out the stack. It doesn't count because it is "natural".
NRRPT/RCT
We are fortunate that it can't be affected by a pen and a twat.
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Commercial solar shingles were first available in 2005, predating Musk's efforts.
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At least the nuts on the left actually care about things other than money and won't destroy the planet
That is what should never be done. Legislation should be based on evidence and reason, never on feelings.
You should make posts based on evidence and reason, not on your emotional reaction causing you to make an irate objection to a choice of words.
You see, your tedious pedantry actually discredits you, because the meaning of "feel" can include a belief based on consideration of priorities and interests, whereas your sneering indignation only represents your ignorance and inability to perceive what was being communicated accurately.
But you, so overcome by your personal hysteria, won't recognize your personal fault, but instead seek to elevate yourself to a superior state that you portray as more logical, except, while the reality is exactly the opposite.
Sorry, but you have made three errors and must self-terminate.
heck, they also then have to deal with black lung, and a medical system, both private (from their employers) and public that doesn't really support them or get them the care they need. then, saddled with an inability to continue working due to the condition (hell, an inability to breathe, having to fight for every incomplete breath!!), they all to often slide into (or further into) poverty, which further exacerbates the problems of the region.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
size of workforce != amount of coal being mined.
there's these things called mechanization and automation....
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
once again you have confused your delusions with reality.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Take it a step further. Go for independence, like Scotland and Catalunia.Many people seem to be in favor o those being independent, even if they do not live in Europe.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I think you just called Pruit a motherfucker?
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As Al Gores private plane flies into the sunset. /s
Why aren't they making better choices so that a higher power doesn't have to step in and mandate?
If my state and your state share a river, and I dump all my waste into the river, right at the state line so it flows down into your state, what is my incentive to stop? You could sue me, but in what court? My state's courts could ignore your state's laws.
Things like the environment/pollution/radio and tv frequencies, etc, don't respect state boundaries and shouldn't be in the hands of the states.
As Al Gores private plane flies into the sunset. /s
The one the alt-right made up out of straw men?
Even lefties talk about Gore and his famous carbon footprint. My observation is that the left is nihilistic.