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Radical Leftists Built Their Own FOSS Alternative To Reddit After It Banned Them (vice.com)
eeplox shares a report from VICE, adding: "Community-built sites like these are very much needed since Reddit announced they were going closed source": After r/LeftWithSharpEdge was taken down, ziq [one of the subreddit's members] decided to leave Reddit and create an independent anarchist community free from its rules. Raddle.me, which was originally called Raddit.me, is an "alternative that is focused on community building and openness, and not controlled by a corporation," ziq told me. The original name was intended to sound similar to Reddit, but was later changed to avoid potential trademark issues. Raddle doesn't have advertisements or run analytical software, so its size is difficult to calculate -- but that's by design. The site is meant to be an alternative to social networks that profit by monitoring user behavior and serving advertisements. "We have no ads, no tracking, no user profiling and we don't collect or share any user data with anyone," ziq said. The site is community-built and anyone can contribute to the code.
Ziq's commitment to privacy is an appealing virtue for Raddle's users. "I'm always very uneasy about the lack of concern for privacy online," Tequila_Wolf, a user who posts frequently to Raddle, told me in a direct message. "When you have friends on government lists who get harassed at every border because, say, they are members of Anarchists Against The Wall, you know you don't want to get on that list." Raddle ultimately came out of more broad problems ziq and Emma saw with Reddit. Ziq complained about how it has increasingly become a recruiting ground for the alt-right, the social network's overemphasis on America (r/politics, a major subreddit, only discusses U.S.-based politics, for example), and the fact that the site's code isn't open source, among other issues. Emma mentioned what she says is a problem with harassment on the site. "To me, the biggest problem with Reddit is how its administrators ignore the routine harassment and witch-hunts of marginalized people that takes place, with r/The_Donald being the most prominent example," she said.
Ziq's commitment to privacy is an appealing virtue for Raddle's users. "I'm always very uneasy about the lack of concern for privacy online," Tequila_Wolf, a user who posts frequently to Raddle, told me in a direct message. "When you have friends on government lists who get harassed at every border because, say, they are members of Anarchists Against The Wall, you know you don't want to get on that list." Raddle ultimately came out of more broad problems ziq and Emma saw with Reddit. Ziq complained about how it has increasingly become a recruiting ground for the alt-right, the social network's overemphasis on America (r/politics, a major subreddit, only discusses U.S.-based politics, for example), and the fact that the site's code isn't open source, among other issues. Emma mentioned what she says is a problem with harassment on the site. "To me, the biggest problem with Reddit is how its administrators ignore the routine harassment and witch-hunts of marginalized people that takes place, with r/The_Donald being the most prominent example," she said.
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Right now the site seems to have no way to create forums (The equivelant of a subreddit), this concerns me, as if conversations are to be sequestered to an appropriate forum, then certain viewpoints can be silenced simply by not having an appropriate forum, turning the site into a large echo chamber.
Some people encrypt by using rot-13 twice. I prefer the more secure method of using rot-1 a total of twenty six times.
It's FOSS, good for you. Hopefully your site won't exist in a year but if it does, good on you.
I'm not afraid of opposing ideas. I'm afraid of people afraid of opposing ideas.
why reinvent when all you want is what you had?
But it smells more like they just haven't given the matter enough thought to determine whether they're exploitable to the same end from an alternative angle. These days an open comms political site must be resistant to mining and other sigint exploitation, and that's seemingly a conflicting goal.
News at 11:00.
Listen - I may not agree with them on every position - and may even see them as harmful to some of their own goals... but I do see them as a somewhat helpful kind of crazy.
Why? Because for the past generation or so, we really haven't had any real forces of extreme leftwing pushing anything in the US. Not that this is a bad thing on it's own, mind you - but compared to the insanity of an extreme right wing pushing every button on every part of the societal machine, it's actually destabilizing to have the left version largely missing for so long.
Now, I certainly hear an opposing idea just while I'm typing this - that we have Democrats or college campuses, or something - and if you think of that as extreme left wing, you have no idea how the rest of the world thinks.
Without an extreme to exist as a philosophical sounding board, or as a 'wall' of what's too extreme to bounce against, the left of today in the US is largely crippled in culture - and obsessed with minor points of political correctness/friendiness to business, rather than actually tying to advance a real agenda of change.
I'd actually LIKE to have a crazy left to actually exist out there, willing to be grumbled about and dismissed. I'd like to have something Michael Moore can say "Geesh - those loonie lefties", then make a point that plots a 'sensible middle ground', rather than having nationalized healthcare like many modern democracies seem like some loony idea by reflexive 'moderate' idealists.
So go, you crazy folks - be extreme and let me disagree with you. It's cool with me.
A simple scrolling of the reddit home page will demonstrate a decidedly non-Trumpian vibe every day of the week. The rationale being that reddit has become too infected with the "alt-right" is curious indeed. I like the idea of a site like raddle for privacy reasons but the suggestion that reddit is somehow not a safe space for certain marginalized people is foolish because it's basically saying more of this "words = violence" stuff which hasn't done anybody any good but which has led to more calls for restricting the 1st amendment to limit "hate speech". internet culture is not friendly to Trump of the alt-right. Raddle may be a cool idea but if everyone on raddle is nuts then c'mon really...
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I don't really care enough to look into their beliefs more, but what I find most surprising is that they were too far to the left even for Reddit.
Reddit in general is among the most left-leaning social media sites out there. Even expressing a centrist or moderate viewpoint in many subreddits will typically get you punished in some way, if not outright banned.
It's typical to find what any reasonable person would consider to be extreme left content posted at Reddit all of the time. In some subreddits you're lucky if you're only subjected to socialist content, rather than what should be considered outright Communist propaganda.
These people must be really, really, really, really, really far to the extreme of the extreme left if Reddit isn't a suitable place for them.
So it's a website? Have things become so bad that creating a website is considered notable?
It's all well and good to make another site, but let's be honest: reddit does about as good a job as anyone is going to do with a centralized discussion service. The only possible way to improve it is to create a decentralized alternative.
The Leftists on Reddit are just as, if not more, harassing than the rightists - blocking anybody that even subscribes to Donald as if they're all tainted.
I also seem to recall when Voat was started up by rightists for similar reasons that the creators were mocked for being outcasts.
Now you have leftists doing the same thing and they're "heroes" because they support "privacy" and "open source" which is also total bullshit as they only want privacy to hide their AntiFa protest attacks which is why they were kicked off of Reddit to begin with.
Look slashdot eds - if you wanna be the mouthpiece of the revolution be my guest but don't be surprised when your site tanks further.
Weak troll post, -1. Go back to Reddit.
A toy for infants.
We could make a forum for radical EVERYTHING! Watch em troll each other :)
Cause those are two different ideologies.
>"We have no ads, no tracking, no user profiling and we don't collect or share any user data with anyone
Two things will happen if the site survives a significant length of time:
1) Whoever is funding it will become a dictator, deleting posts and banning posters with whom they disagree, without admitting they're doing it and in fact doing their best to keep the fact a secret.
2) When the money runs out, they'll convince themselves that 'just a little bit of advertising is OK', and slowly sell out.
You have to be pretty fucking horrible to be a leftist and banned from Reddit.
On the flip side all you have to do is question the status quo and you can be banned if you're not drinking the lefty kool-aid.
So what's the over/under on a site shutdown when you have a large user base and no discernible source of revenue to pay for the site? 4 months?
turning the site into a large echo chamber.
*walks into newly constructed giant echo chamber*
You know what the problem is with this place? It's a giant echo chamber!
*walks out of giant echo chamber as people stare after him*
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Then what's left on Reddit?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Yeah, that's just what we need now.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Seems like a whole lotta liberal up in here these days... Sad really.
A new website isn't news. This is the point where I drop this RSS feed.
Left winger here. I'll happily debate politics with people interested in a calm (if passionate) rational discussion. I will not waste my time arguing with somebody spewing racist dogwhistles with no intention of listening or thinking about the points made.
Never underestimate the stupidity inherent in all human beings.
So basically you won’t debate anyone that acts like you.
but compared to the insanity of an extreme right wing pushing every button on every part of the societal machine
You have got to be joking. The Left has a firm chokehold on EVERY button of the "societal machine", which is the reason Trump was elected - because all of the people who could only watch the machine spin out of control faster, possessed by one group who would give them no say - what else could they do but try to throw sand into the machine? That sand was Trump.
And as for insanity, possibly in thought but not in deed - right wing lunatics were not regularly killing police, smashing stores, burning things... Antifa and BLM are meanwhile happily doing all those things on a regular basis.
I say this as an impartial observer, I have always been an independent not with either party - I can see clearly from here how similar the actual politicians under each banner really are. But at the edges, the Right has NOTHING like the dark cancer spreading from the left, devouring all sanity and reason in its path.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
They stomped their threw themselves on the ground and had a good ol' temper tantrum.
When they were done with that they organized a boycott and got their president to say that everyone at Reddit should be fired and Reddit should be shut down because Bad Hombres run it.
The claims of "no ads, no tracking, no user profiling and we don't collect or share any user data with anyone" is unverifiable and possibly already untrue. It's not wise to put much stock in such claims. This is one of the problems of the modern website: even altruistic admins who want to set up a valuable service that genuinely does not advertise to user, track users, profile users, collect data, or share data about users can't be trusted. StartPage.com and Ixquick.com are websearch sites run by the same organization. This organization makes privacy-minded claims about what it collects about its users but there's no way to know if these claims are honored.
Server-side free software is great for the admins; that's a big step toward letting the site admins control their computers (which everyone deserves to do for their computers). But free server-side software won't help us verify privacy-respecting claims because there's no way a site's users who aren't site admins (in other words, the majority of the site's users) can tell what happens to the data the server gathers or is offered. It's possible Raddle.me runs software that is different from what the site admins acquired before reddit stopped publishing their site's code.
So if Raddle.me uses Javascript, it's very easy for the site to send the visitor code that will track how the site is used, and allow the site to collect more information about users than typically shows up in server logs. And even if Raddle.me doesn't send its visitors Javascript there's plenty of information in server logs to do some profiling, tracking, and make something saleable from that data.
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Itâ(TM)s a honeypot. Anyone who knows these guys from Reddit knows how dangerous these people can be.
They had a section devoted to doxxing when it was called raddit.me. That section was repeatedly renamed when they were reported to the feds.
Finally they renamed the site and moved to a non-US registry.
Gosh, I wonder what it's like when anyone to the left of Mao looks like a right-winger to you. You have to be pretty seriously gone for Reddit to look like a nest of conservative snakes. But here we are.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
So explain Roy Moore? And maybe, just maybe, those Right wing positions are anathema to most people and thus were rejected over time? Women do exist, yet somehow conservatives continue to treat them like statues that occasionally double as sex bots.
Just what is a radical leftist? Additionally, what differentiates a radical leftist from a radical rightest? Does the radical mean you act on your beliefs instead of just espousing them?
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
So marginalized! A group of people that, despite his lack of qualifications and horrible personality, they were able to get their candidate elected President of the United States. Truly small, pitiful ranks they must have been.
In point of fact, most terrorism is the US comes from right wing lunatics.
I hold no truck with antifa vigilante goons, but to suggest that any group in the US is regularly killing cops shows a disconnect with reality.
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Then why doesn't the right build their 'societal machine'? There's Gab, and the founder isn't from a technical background (more a former YC VC) which shows in their work as they aren't getting sharp engineers making their platforms.
The radical left here pretty much built their platform from scratch with a dash of FOSS from reddit, you're telling me there's no radical right than have the technical know how to do the same?
I don't read AC
So, I'm guessing Voat wouldn't have them, either? That alone should probably tell you most of these people are fuckwits of the highest order in the first place.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
You claim to be independent, yet spread FUD frequently flung by the right while making no acknowledgement of Nazis. Sure...
Then why doesn't the right build their 'societal machine'?
They have. The bailout of 2009 triggered a strong reaction on both the left and right. On the left, there was OWS, which never had coherent objectives, and has faded away as a movement. On the right, the Tea Party was formed, which today effectively controls the entire Federal government and dozens of state legislatures.
The radical left here pretty much built their platform from scratch with a dash of FOSS from reddit, you're telling me there's no radical right than have the technical know how to do the same?
So you are impressed that the left setup a sub-Reddit, but you think the right is incompetent because they are merely running the country?
What they really dont like is the presence of anyone who does not agree with them.
So they have gone and made their own little club, out the in the back shed, where they can make sure anyone who does not agree with them will be kicked out (the equivalent of the 'no girls!' club sign). They will make their big plans there, all competing to out do the others in how 'revolutionary' they are.they will virtue signal until they are red in the face and their 'community' will slowly shrink as anyone who isnt revolutionary ENOUGH this week gets excluded.
Meanwhile the rest of the world will get on with actual life, something they will be less and less in touch with.
Sad? yes.
Pathetic? yes.
But hey, its no different 'because its on the internet', the only odd thing here is that someone thinks its newsworthy. Its not.
Whyr (the anti-cis pronoun specifically meaning Beau and/or HD for those not in the LGTBGQMagazineBTIYGXJQFH know--you hypocrites!--all of you!) needs tissues to alleviate whyr'zz autosurgical procedures to add a penis and extra vagina and some polyps for budding when whyr decides to proclaim an asexual day and worship the wiccan goddess Hillary Clinton witch is known to take blood transfusions from nubile virgins and make blood offerings to Ba'al.
But seriously, folks, why is this not a Russian story? Why is not EVERY story on the front page one about a Russian hiding in every dresser, under every couch, sharpening his sickle with his soviet-issued leather strop, just waiting for the perfect moment to attack you, slice your throat open like some old wheat chaff, and steal every vote you have in the little voter pouch you keep around your neck? (After all, "hacking into elections" has to have SOME tangible connotation, e.g. they're going to hack the sky and add a keylogger to it or something next?)
Yours truly,
E. Goldstein
Exactly. All banning bigotry does is force people to have civil conversations with each other. Besides, it's not like slashdot lets people rant about ni*****, so I don't see what the difference is.
You mean Democrats. Democrats are not left wing. Democrats are right wing. Democrats despise people who work for a living just as much as Republicans do, they're just less honest about it.
Trump was elected because Hillary was nominated. Hillary, who was a right-wing trainwreck of incompetence, warmongering and corruption.
Antifa and BLM are regularly killing police? On what planet?
It's anyone expressing skepticism about "prolitariate of all counties unite" who has to worry about their jobs, web hosting and physical safety. Being a socially centrist libertarian or a 90s Democrat seems sufficient to prove wrath of the revolutionaries.
Exactly! The thing that gets me about my fellow left leaning folks is that they think bitching on the web of marching in the streets will cause change. They want instant change and it won't happen that way without a destructive revolution where everyone loses and we end up with a Kim Jong-un or a Castro type.
In the meantime, right leaning folks are actually spending the time and voting. I really admire how the Republicans can be so persistent and mobilize their base. They have patience. And they are the ones getting most of their way these days. It also held that they have demonized the Democrats in the eyes of half the population. When I hear Trump being called "one of us" by working class people, I have to really condemn the Democrats from losing what used to be THEIR base.
This isn't just about the left... this is about the radical left. In the U.S. this is a cesspool of jobless disciples.. that will follow any flag no matter which direction the wind blows. as long as they think it "matters"
In the U.S. this is about individuals caught up in a web of lies that makes them think that the Bill of Rights has some flexibility. It does not. Freedom of Speech is protected and these safe-space snowflakes think that anyone that has a viewpoint different from theirs must be countered by violence. What part of "free speech" was lost on these people?
Peace.
I love how this idiot millenial BeauHD now considers vice.com (a cracked.com wannabe) "news."
Abandon ship! BeauHD has urinated so much in it that it has capsized!
Besides the fact that this won't take off and is a waste of everyone's time even being a story, it won't last long. When you put pure lefties in charge of anything it all starts with good intentions and ideals and eventually spirals down the rabbit hole. Their chief complaint is that Reddit isn't restricting speech enough?! Hilarious. Eventually everyone will be muted/ghost banned/full banned until no one is left because they don't value freedom of speech or opposing ideas unless it's their own. It's always everyone else's fault and when they don't have a common enemy to focus on they will turn on each other and eat thier own.
The man who wished for world peace from the genie quickly found out that he was the only person left in the world.
Wait, I just looked at the membership card. It says "Menses", not "Mensa". I was sure that "menses" was the singular of "mensa", but the (((pizza delivery guy))) just straightened me out.
That explains a lot.
- snruter rotsac
This article sums it up nicely. https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/...
You might have drawn more debate if you hadn't started by espousing the assumption that everybody who disagrees with you is inherently a secret racist.
The Left has a firm chokehold on EVERY button of the "societal machine", which is the reason Trump was elected - because all of the people who could only watch the machine spin out of control faster, possessed by one group who would give them no say - what else could they do but try to throw sand into the machine? That sand was Trump.
Except the only people that considered Hillary and modern Democrats "The Left" are the same brain-dead retards that think Trump is a fascist.
That's true to a point as long as you do a few things:
1) Group all anti-government, non-Muslim religious based attacks as well as white supremacist attacks into the far-right category while at the same time often miscategorizing other attacks such as classifying Fort Hood as 'workplace violence' even with Hasan's confession about his motivations. That actually required an act of Congress to have to the dead and wounded be recognized as victims of a terrorist attack and awarded Purple Hearts.
2) Assign political motivations to non-political attacks. Not all attacks by right wingers are motivated by their ideology in the same way not all attacks by left wingers or Jihadists are motivated by theirs; sometimes an attack in a parking lot is just road rage with no deeper meaning.
3) Start tracking after 2001 and stop tracking after 2015.
4) Change the definition of threat as it suits your needs. In some reports "threat" is based off of actual deaths and in others it's by incident. So when you need a bigger number you count the 5 times someone was harassed on the street (with no injury) and say that is a bigger threat than a single shooting that killed multiple people.
There is also the fact that many Jihadist plots are stopped before the threat ever materializes due to the massive manpower dedicated to just that while far right attacks are not due to their limited nature and next to no dedicated special policing (they seem to be mostly of the "lone gunman", small or single target variety which are very difficult to prevent) . i.e. it's hard to stop a crazy person with a knife until the attack starts vs someone trying to buy large quantities of explosives.
It's just another case of statistics telling you whatever you want them to and not necessarily the truth.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
What? Some BLM guy murdered 5 cops in Dallas last year.
Raddle is open source, so, where is the source code?
What about punching a smug elitist running dog in the face?
Good to see that extremists on the right and the left are banned.
The "Tea Party movement" is reality TV. Meaning it's fictional, scripted, staged, with no reality at all.
The financial oligarchy controls all levels of government, now and before alike.
Yeh, right.
Know what? That's how paranoia feels. My advice: go see a doc.
JFK was on the left. Every Democrat today is a hundred miles to the left of JFK.
Pushing the Democrats further and further left, something that really kicked-in at the 1968 national DNC convention, does not mean that traditional Democrats have become right wing; they are right where they were - FAR TO THE LEFT of the nation's founders. All it means is that the left becomes more insane and delusional the more left it goes. Left-wing millenials are so insanely ignorant of history they know NOTHING about "left" or "right", have no understanding of history, and lack any knowledge of how and why things are the way they are. They think they are smarter that everybody else while actually advertizing their ignorance every time their thumbs tap or their lips flap. They would denounce ALL previous beloved liberal Democrats as "sexists", "racists", "homophobes", "xenophobes", and, yes, "NAZIs" [facepalm].
You can keep trying to shove the Overton Window leftward, but there are too many of us who are aware of history and see you pushing and see you trying to white-wash your history. We will not cooperate with you as you try to tear down statues to pretend the left is less evil than it is, has a better history than it has, or that moving even farther left will make things any better. Sane Democrats were pretty far left under JFK. Modern Democrats are totally bonkers, and the warped, snivelling little leftist trolls who now insist that the far left in America is not really left at all are just plain evil and dedicated to dishonestly attacking the overall culture and political system. It's amazing how rapidly the far left has gone farther left to the point where the Democrat's most-famous and cherished left-wing figures (like Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, FDR and JFK) would now be denounced as reactionary "right wing" Republicans. It must be quite a shock to the extreme leftist Clinton clan to discover Hillary now being called "right wing"
You can take another swig of absynthe or another hit on the bong and imagine all sorts of things, but the rest of us will not join you in the delusion.
Roy Moore is the Republican Party's equivalent to the extremists on the other side who want their crazy ideas of "social justice" in our education and legal systems.
The leftist-run forum exists because they're not happy that Reddit won't ban posts they disagree with, so they created their own forum to do so. This is exactly how the left operates.
Yeah, just like that paragon of sensibility, Conservapedia!
D-bags of either side do the same thing, they just pretend they're justified when they do so.
Again, typical of the left. Can't debate the substance of the posts so you respond with labels. You label my post a troll, just like the left freely labels anyone who disagrees with them a racist
You swing in, casting aspersions about a huge number of people you don't know, throwing insults around casually, and then start crying when someone fires back. (Oh my God, he called you a TROLL. How will you survive?). Not to mention the crying over the anticipated moderation of your flamebait trolling.
You are the flakiest of the very special snowflakes.
You have got to be joking. The Left has a firm chokehold on EVERY button of the "societal machine", which is the reason Trump was elected -
The societal machine that voted the right wing into both houses and the president? That's one hell of a chokehold! If the right wing was able to swing into such a strong position, then the left pretty much by definition didn't have a chokehold.
You can't logic your way into the right being in power somehow showing how the left is in power.
That sand was Trump
And both houses. You forget that too.
And as for insanity, possibly in thought but not in deed - right wing lunatics were not regularly killing police, smashing stores, burning things... Antifa and BLM are meanwhile happily doing all those things on a regular basis.
Bullshit.
But at the edges, the Right has NOTHING like the dark cancer spreading from the left
Apart from those be-swastika'd chaps chanting "blood and soil" and "heil hitler" you mean?
You claim to be an impartial observer, but you are clearly not.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
with hookers.
and blackjack.
The financial oligarchy controls all levels of government, now and before alike.
If this was true, Jeb Bush would be president. The FO would have prefered even Hillary to Donald. Do you really think that Goldman Sachs wanted the US out of TPP?
Wow, neither antifa nor Black Lives Matters kill police, smash stores, or burn things. Citations needed. No, BreitBart and Daily Stormer don't count. No, punching a White Supremacist in the face doesn't count.
I know you're trolling, but here's an antifa Berkeley professor hitting a guy in the head with a bike lock:
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/05/24/berkeley-college-professor-arrested-as-assault-suspect/
Here's where they smashed up Berkeley (and their favorite Starbucks) and attacked people wanting to attend a conservative (if trollish) speaker:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests#February_1
From the link: "[the protesters] set fires, damaged property, threw fireworks, attacked members of the crowd, and threw rocks at the police."
Here's an antifa professor being suspended from his job after calling for people to kill cops: http://nypost.com/2017/09/15/professor-who-tweeted-about-dead-cops-suspended/
Here's a BLM march in which they chant for dead cops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQXmnMr_w8
Here are some of those cops: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/blacklivesmatter-kill-list-least-11-cops-shot-dead-9-wounded-blm-criminals/
And finally, here's an article saying that MORE blacks are dying in poor black communities (gang violence) because cops are afraid to patrol them now. Kind of hypocritical to name your movement that way and get more people killed (over 90% of black murders are done by other blacks): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/26/rate-murder-fbi-increase
In the beginning of the 20th century the leftists were literally banned. Such figures as Stalin, Trotsky, etc. were stuck in prisons or penal servitude hopelessly. Nevertheless they resurfaced with a bang.
Even though nowadays those leftists may look ridiculous, in certain conditions such as a massive war, division of society into poor and rich, widespread homelessness, famine, etc. these ideas may again attract a public attention.
At least, the history demonstrates that it is a realistic possibility. Besides, it is proven already that the overeating causes health problems, spending time in a luxurious house as opposite to hiking, running at a stadium, etc. is also problematic. So, perhaps, an investment in helping people in need could be a good insurance against losing everything.
So explain Roy Moore?
And maybe, just maybe, those Right wing positions are anathema to most people and thus were rejected over time? Women do exist, yet somehow conservatives continue to treat them like statues that occasionally double as sex bots.
If Roy Moore keeps getting elected again and again I'd argue that his positions resonate more with the people and less with the political establishment.
Furthermore, just because a person believes that life starts at conception doesn't mean that the person hates/objectifies women, they just don't like killing (what they consider to be) babies. You also can't call half of American women misogynists. I used to be on the fence until I saw a video by an investigative journalist at an abortion clinic where the doctor talks about tearing the fetuses apart with forceps so that they look less human and the mothers don't feel as guilty, that guilt wouldn't be there if it weren't a human life.
Where did he say"everyone"? I have a colleague who was talking about somebody having "n****r blood in their family" and that black people are less intelligent, that immediately put him in the category of Avoid Political Discussions.
I'm quite happy to have political discussions with other colleagues that are UKIP supporters because they're not reaching racists.
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Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
> Wow, neither antifa nor Black Lives Matters kill police
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09...
> smash stores
http://www.dailywire.com/news/...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/16/...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
> or burn things
I couldn't trivially find BLM burning stuff, so there's that.
But Antifa lights fires ALL THE TIME. All around the fucking world, they are burning shit whenever they get together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
BLM
> No, punching a White Supremacist in the face doesn't count.
Sorry, do the political opinions people have now justify violence against them? If that's a moral line we are crossing, do you have any idea the amount of damage that will cause? Do you think it will lend legitimacy to any idea, if you believe that violence against people who hold ideas you find unattractive, is allowed?
Really? Groups of people that celebrate violence, film it, post about it, organize it, and you deny their "sport". Asking for citations is fine, but claiming punching someone in the face merely because of a perception of political leaning isn't considered violence, well that shows a genuine disinterest in facts.
It's just so depressing there was a modpoint spent on that trash.
The Right has the levers of power we're allowed to vote on. The rest of society we don't vote on, and they're hard left dominated.
All those bible belt religious grass roots churches etc are left wing? Huh! TIL!
As a Leftist told me recently:
Yeah maybe, but that round like a right winger's idea of what a leftwinger sounds like.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Don't people have jobs?
I mean - get your ass to work and forget about this stuff. Spend time with your wife, kids, having fun together, building happy memories and having shared experiences.
Get a life.
Doubly so when they try and deflect about how Obama sucked and blah blah blah, when your arguement/discussion was on the Opening of Japan and how the US had a Naval Presence in the Pacific during the 1840s+ (Might have been earlier, but this was when the 'Western Naval Colonialism' of the US really started picking up. I'd have to recheck the exact years but the late 1850s to early 1860s Admiral Perry left from the East Coast of the US carrying the US's sole supply of new prototype long range guns, travelled the african sea routes to East Asia, then proceeded to perform some gunboat diplomacy on Japan after attempts to convince the Japanese to open trade with the US failed (including pretending they were a Dutch vessel (only group(or one of two) with open trade at that point) and rescuing japanese sailors in an attempt to curry favor.)
Back to my original point: I had argued this with him, provided citations and told him to get back to me next time we saw each other. Needless to say he didn't, but somehow I should care about his beliefs on Obama and Trump and stupid politics when one doesn't even understand past military history of the US... as a former member of the military industrial complex?
Maybe someday I will meet a Republican who is intellectual in regards to their politics (many are outside that particular line of discussion), but in my broad experiences with them both inside and outside my family and over the past 25ish years, they seem in an intellectual decline, spending more time drinking the koolaid than really understanding the full breadth of US history and issues one may have with the rabid patriotism and vitriol many of them choose to project on anyone not affiliated with their party and parroting the party line.
They don't ban anybody... no matter how insane.
Exactly! The thing that gets me about my fellow left leaning folks is that they think bitching on the web of marching in the streets will cause change
I can't remember which show it was, maybe it was Fresh Air, but I remember hearing on NPR a conversation with retired congressman Barney Frank. He went to a few Occupy Wall Street events to check out what people were saying. They were generally dumps, but there were a lot of people singing and protesting. Thinking back to his similar experiences walking through Tea Party gatherings, he asked the OWS organizers there why there weren't any voter registration areas like he'd seen in the Tea Party events, ways to harness this desire for change into actual change. Their response was that "doing that, yeah man, that's not really our thing." In the interview, Frank said that he knew right then and there that OWS would have exactly zero impact. Or at least, it wouldn't have the sort of impact that they would have wanted.
He's only concerned with privacy for leftists. I bet if a right winger from The_Donald signs up they will dox him asap.
The problem is calling every viewpoint to the right of Mao Zedong a nazi racist crazy person. It's a real problem of the Left these days, and they refuse to take seriously the very real concerns of most Americans. When your idea of "rational" is "agrees with my ideas in principle" you're not going to have any kind of discussion, you're going to plug your ears and ignore the dissenters. After all, who listens to nazis except bad people? It's a self-sealing hermetic opinion reinforcer.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I prefer to not call people nazis unless they are actually nazis. I find it lessens the impact of the term to misuse it.
And rational does not mean they agree with me - far from it. Rational means their arguments and positions support their professed viewpoints, nothing more or less. I have no interest in having arguments with people that won't be honest with themselves or me.
If somebody tells me that public health care is bad because the government wastes tons of money despite heaps of evidence to the contrary, I cannot have a debate with them because they do not believe in research, logic, or honest debate. If they tells me public health care is bad because the government's role is not to provide health care, then I can talk with them, because while I disagree with that viewpoint there's nothing wrong with the logic itself.
Never underestimate the stupidity inherent in all human beings.
They're playing a long game.
Weren't the nazi's left wing?
Ah, yes, so you get to set the terms of the debate before it even starts. Agree with me, or I judge you lose before it starts.
I usually describe this as: "Do as I say, not as I do." It invariably creates a blind spot for the "invisible" activity, but also undermines the ability of the mind to see the truth in general because the mind has become used to lying to itself so it won't see the things it is not supposed to see. Obviously, at this point, the mind itself cannot detect truth and falsity, because the mind would have to see itself lying. That's almost as much fun as the Who's: "Pinball Wizard" who became deaf, dumb, and blind to hide a family secret.
A problem with highly intelligent people like this, is that they assume that their opinions are facts.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
"To me, the biggest problem with Reddit is how its administrators ignore the routine harassment and witch-hunts of marginalized people that takes place, with r/The_Donald being the most prominent example,"
Never mind that Reddit has done a lot to silence that (and other non-leftist) community under that exact excuse. After they dealt with the Violentacrez incident, they went from a user-driven site to an admin-driven site with highly-left leanings.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
Reddit most definitely has an anti-conservative bias. You can't hit a sub about submarine sandwiches without hearing shit about DRUMPF BEING FINISHED DIS TIEM IN PEACHES.
Thing is, 90% of the people posting that shit aren't even politically active or informed. They're doing it for fake internet points. When 2024 rolls around, there'll be a steam of $RANDOMHILARIOUSLYINCOMPETENTDEMOCRAT IZ RILLY DUMB GAIZ. Mark my words.
Yes, it does seem to be worse under Trump. It is - slightly. Just slightly. If you kept your eyes open, there was no shortage of nonsense posted about Obama. And as for the increase under Trump - well, he's literally the most transparent executive we've ever had. The downside of having a stream of consciousness via Twitter is if a President of the United States can shitpost, anyone can shitpost.
nudge
Only RWers think they exist.
i watched in Ferguson as you lefties burned and looted. I watched in seattle and other cities. It is not the conservatives that are killing police and killing each other everyday inChicago, St. Louis or Deriot. No this is all he left. It is the side that is forcing gay righs/gay marriage/transgender you know about 3% of the population tha are broken people onto the rest of the population. These things do NOT make us stronger or better. The cost of health care is beyond belief. My rates are jumping 21.6% again this year. Now costing e $20,000 a year for my wife and I and we have no medical problems. I dont even take a single percription. But some how im havingo pay for a lot of other peoples health care. Ive deciding to not pay. To save the $20K+ a year and self insure. Ill take a catastrophic medical coverage and save a ton. The whole idea that you people can just take and take and take is only going to move you lower and into a 3rd world country sooner. America if we dont change is going to no better than the shiat hole that is AFRICA. And if you have never been there...AFRICA is a shit hole. Look it up....they complain here about how we enslaved them 100+ years ago....but note that there are millions of slaves today in africa. Because as stated before...the white man didnt bring slavery to Africa. Africa brought it to the white man. But that messes with the blacks whole narriative of they be the victum. Just like the left and the blacks and the broken people....none of this makes us stronger. Instead it pulls us down to gutter bottom. Shame on everyone of you, The founding fathers risked their necks to give you the greats country to ever exist...and you idiots are destroying it. May God have mercy on your condemned souls.
ah yes, what the left wants is: we have a legitimate coin flip! heads I win, tail you lose. or you can pick any color for your new car, as long as it's silver.
That's true to a point as long as you do a few things:
Like bury reports on right-wing violence?
No wait, that's the opposite, isn't it?
1) Group all anti-government, non-Muslim religious based attacks as well as white supremacist attacks into the far-right category while at the same time often miscategorizing other attacks such as classifying Fort Hood as 'workplace violence' even with Hasan's confession about his motivations. That actually required an act of Congress to have to the dead and wounded be recognized as victims of a terrorist attack and awarded Purple Hearts.
I remember another act to get other people Purple Hearts.
What was even worse was the Congressional call, where so many people thought they were getting Medals of Honor. That dismayed me. even more than trying to make a drug-addled depressed person into some sort of concerted act of terrorism.
2) Assign political motivations to non-political attacks. Not all attacks by right wingers are motivated by their ideology in the same way not all attacks by left wingers or Jihadists are motivated by theirs; sometimes an attack in a parking lot is just road rage with no deeper meaning.
Deny actual motivation and declare he's just crazy.
Seriously, any right-wing violence is immediately dismissed as mental illness by their pundits, or worse yet, blamed on the left.
3) Start tracking after 2001 and stop tracking after 2015.
Like this?
4) Change the definition of threat as it suits your needs. In some reports "threat" is based off of actual deaths and in others it's by incident. So when you need a bigger number you count the 5 times someone was harassed on the street (with no injury) and say that is a bigger threat than a single shooting that killed multiple people.
Could have told you that ten years ago.
There is also the fact that many Jihadist plots are stopped before the threat ever materializes due to the massive manpower dedicated to just that while far right attacks are not due to their limited nature and next to no dedicated special policing (they seem to be mostly of the "lone gunman", small or single target variety which are very difficult to prevent) . i.e. it's hard to stop a crazy person with a knife until the attack starts vs someone trying to buy large quantities of explosives.
Oh really?
It's just another case of statistics telling you whatever you want them to and not necessarily the truth.
Is that why you oppose the phony statistics often cited by the right?
You do, don't you? Even Jon Kyl's?
So you're saying that institutional racism doesn't exist, or that it's okay because no one is "trying" to be racist?
It must be acknowledged that "micro-aggression" is an extremely stupid word. However, if you don't think it refers to a real phenomenon, we can only ascribe that to inexperience.
We have to thank you for including "black people are lazy" in your list there. It certainly lets us know where you stand.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
He said a rational debate, not a parade of strawmen. If you're not willing to assume good faith, then you're right, you're not going to have any kind of discussion.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
You just proved his point with your r/iamverysmart fartsniffing post
JFK slashed taxes, sent thousands of "advisors" to continue France's colonialist occupation of Vietnam, and lied his ass off about a "missile gap", that dramatically escalated the cold war. He also forgot to mention in his televised speech on Cuba that the entire reason the USSR wanted to place missiles there was to counter the nuclear-armed Jupiter missiles the United States had just installed in Turkey. He was also happy to play the racist card in a primary debate: "You say you are going to take ten thousand black people and move them into Orange County? It is just going to be catastrophic."
All right-wing actions, not left wing.
Certifiable. Democratic leadership, starting with Clinton has been to the right of Reagan. Bill signed a laundry list of massive deregulatory and corporate trade bills that Ronnie could have only dreamed of. He also passed draconian crime bills that tripped the prison population, militarized the police and threw gays under the bus for 15 years with DOMA. Hell, he even tried privatizing Social Security long before Bush did. And then Hillbots had the gall to attack Sanders as being weak on minorities.
Speaking of Ronnie, Reaganism didn't begin with him. It began with Carter. Deregulating the trucking and airline industries, appealing to right-wing Christians and attacked Ford for being soft on the USSR. Oh, and he was also happy to play the racist card: "I see nothing wrong with ethnic purity being maintained. I would not force a racial integration of a neighborhood by government action."
Right. Wing.
Repeal the 22nd Amendment, resurrect Reagan and he'd be the liberal in a three way race between himself, Obama and Hillary in 2020. Reagan insisted Social Security had nothing to do with the deficit; Obama wanted to cut benefits as part of deficit "reduction". Obama took Romneycare national, started a war with Libya without authorization from Congress (something his own VP threatened Bush with impeachment for if he did the same thing to Iran), fought his own party to pass the TPP, went to the right of the GOP with his "sequester" austerity. Obama also tripled the Afghanistan occupation, tried extending the Iraq occupation past the deal Bush made with Iraq, bombed three times as many countries as Bush, overthrew the democracies of Honduras and Ukraine, and repeated the Iraq "mistake" in both Syria and Libya. And Hillary is even more right wing than he is.
Right. Wing.
You're an incredible bigot. Whether or not some individual "achieve(s) a high status" has nothing to do with the problems that these people have as a group. I have no idea what behavior you think you're trivializing by calling it "victimhood", but let's try "having to worry about being assaulted every day" among other things. We live in a culture where it's okay to treat "those people" as second-class citizens, and that encompasses a spectrum of behavior from being a punch line to actually being punched. You may limit yourself to the shallow end of that pool; others do not. If your response to (e.g.) Roy Moore saying homosexuality should be criminal is to make excuses for why this is acceptable, congratulations, you're part of the problem.
I'd like to not have to carry mace around with me. I'd like to not have people shouting at me in public. I'd like for the police to give a shit when I'm assaulted. And I'd like for you jackasses to stop trying to make my existence criminal. But failing all that, maybe you could shove this "blame the victim" crap back up your ass where it came from.
So explain Roy Moore?
Genetic experiment gone wrong? Dropped on head as a baby? Alien/human breeding accident? Donkey Goat fornication? I really got nothing....
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
The GP didn't claim their opinions are facts, merely that facts exist and that a debate where their opponent doesn't agree with that concept isn't worth their time. If you think their facts are wrong, then they probably expect you to be able to cite sources.
Left is about tighter government control of everything. Anarchists view government as anything with monopoly on violence (even if that's a local gang or Al Capone enforcing some trade licenses). The left is just pissed that the elected government is not tyrannical enough. They want sites which allow promoting of violence? Who cares if they are FOSS or closed source? They are still trying to enamour people with the idea of destroying life-sustaining institutions.
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I couldn't trivially find BLM burning stuff, so there's that.
Ferguson, Missouri 2014, Balitmore, Maryland 2015. Then there was the incident down south setting the vehicles on fire in Atlanta, Georgia in 2016. Those are from just memory. I don't see that BLM has any more aversion to arson than Antifa.
If I understand Phydeaux314's point correctly, you're exactly the kind of insufferable dolt that he won't debate with.
I think it is a good idea to set some terms to avoid confusion. For instance, if you take as dogma that what's in the bible is the literal truth (according to your interpretation), we cannot have a meaningful discussion if you use that as an argument.
His term is that you cannot ignore tons of scientific evidence. If you do, the arguments won't make sense on either side, so the discussing will not be fruitful.
The Alt Left = Anarchists? Who'd a thunked it!
Life is in a state of dynamic equilibrium, it both blows and sucks
They join their extremist comrades from the right by building a political mirror image of Voat. They were were kicked off as well but the Antifa/Socialist/Ultra-Left crowd are too tone deaf and lacking in self-reflection to see the parallels. Good riddance! This puts them back into the (mostly) harmless fringe they were in before the internet. Irony can be funny.
Seems like the only things getting "insightful" upvotes are "centrist" dudes who can't seem to understand the difference between boy's clubs and clubs for minorities.
WTF guys. Is it really that difficult?
When someone tries to put together a boy's club, it's invariably because they want to keep the status quo. They're afraid of losing power they already have.
When someone tries to create a private place for women or minorities to meet, they're trying to avoid being shouted down by angry mouthpieces for once in their goddamned lives.
The difference is power, and raison d'etre.
When someone creates a women-only space, for example, others need not worry that they're going to miss out on any job opportunities or the ability to make ends meet. It's just a space where they want to be alone and speak. Period.
So why anyone needs to take it personally I'll never understand. Yeah, they want to talk without you in the room. It's a rare treat. Let them have it. Everyone needs therapy some time. Especially those who have to live with -your- sanctimonious BS.
Almost sounds like a SNL joke. How long can a bunch of anarchists run their own web site. Wonder how long before one kills another one of themselves.
> "If somebody tells me that public health care is bad because the government wastes tons of money despite heaps of evidence to the contrary, I cannot have a debate with them because they do not believe in research, logic, or honest debate...."
I'll take "Begging the Question" for $10,000, Alex...
What if they come with evidence that government-run healthcare (at least in the USA) is a wasteful clusterfuck? (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/medicare-funds-totaling-60-billion-improperly-paid-report/story?id=32604330)
You *literally* posed the premise that the government does not waste tons of money as unquestionable. Hell, with a premise like that, it doesn't even matter if privatized healthcare wastes *more* money. (Don't know. Can't be bothered to look, because it's irrelevant to my point.) You've put forward a premise where you either get to argue that $60b/yr - 10% of Medicares budget for the year, sent to fake/bad addresses - isn't a "ton of wasted money". Good luck with that... 10% of your money to invalid addresses, *per the Government Accountability Office*, is a shit-ton of money. That's before I get around to mentioning that the premise of your argument is that the government doesn't waste money *on healthcare*. Just that they don't waste "tons of money".
Or, you can dodge the whole issue by simply attacking the credibility of whoever points that out to you - resorting to ad hominem, calling them intellectually dishonest, illogical, and disbelievers in research - just like you promised you would.
You should really be careful about assuming your opinions are facts, in a debate. Even a hypothetical one. Someone will feel the need to beat you over the head with the shit you throw on the table carelessly. Probably on principle.