Read the bug report. This has been already discussed. Essentially, you can blame whoever you want, it still will not resolve the problem and people will go away of OO Calc if nothing is done.
Also, sometimes you have mixed environment. For instance, I am using a US keyboard (with '.') but have my locale set to French Canadian (My employer is american but I work in Montreal). I also prefer the US keyboard with US_intl setup than the french canadian keyboard.
So what I need is that the '.' of the numpad to be interpreted as "decimal separator".
If I remap '.' to ',', then when I use my numpad for entering numbers in a Python program for instance, it would not work. Programming languages do not change syntax according to locale, so it is up to the individual programs to interpret that key according to their specifications.
XFree86 (4.3.0) crashes/freeze once a month for me. I do not know if Xouvert will address this issue, but I hope.
Unfortunatly, I cannot reproduce the problem. And I am not the only one suffering of this. Some of my collegues also have X freeze once in a while, causing all interactive apps to die.
What I remember from my chemistry class is that plastics are composed of hydrogen and carbon atoms only (neglecting special compounds we can add to dope to obtain specific properties). To be considered organic, oxygen must also be present. Plastic chains do not have oxygen.
I also think that it is the lack of oxygen which makes plastic so durable and not compostable.
A bit off-topic, but in all this SCO issue, I never understood why the end user would be liable.
If I buy say a Ford, and it turns out that Ford stole intellectual property from GM, would I, as a Ford owner whose car specifications have been improved by the stollen IP, have to pay say $200 to GM? I think not. GM should only sew Ford, not Ford car owners.
Now why a Linux user would be liable? Contributors to Linux and other open source project should be liable, but not end users. If SCO limited its action against code contributors, I could understand it (assuming that there are some merits). But can they actually ask end users to pay up? Can this really stand in court?
This is bug #1820
. Since Open Office website is slashdoted, I cannot access it, but from what I remember, this critical bug will only be fixed in 2.0.
In the mean time, use MS-Excel is you have alot of data to enter.:(
I would gladly lower my calories entries if only I could cut my appetite. What science needs to create now is a pill that cuts appetite without any side effects.
You sure can call this spam if foreigners (non american residing outside the US) get the email. Anybody outside the US got this email? Or did they get hold of list of americain only emails?
As monopolies go, which one is the worst? Debeers or Microsoft? I get the impression that its Debeers, but I am not an expert in the diamond industry so I cannot compare.
Linux Annoyances is not about the kernel only, its about the whole Linux experience. This include installing and uninstalling software.
You are right that the problem lies with the authors of the piece of software. But the problem remains. 99% of Windows software allows easy uninstallation, while 99% of Linux software packaged as tarball do not. For Mr. Joe Average, regardless who is responsible, this is an annoyance. Its like hardware manufacturers that do not provide Linux drivers. Can't blame the kernel developers, but its still annoying when you bought a force feedback joystick that does not work on your Linux OS. But thank god that RPMs,.deb and other package formats exist.
And I stick with the 99% number, because as far as I know, the only tarball that provides an uninstall target is my own software (autopoweroff).:( But in all fairness, I never tried to uninstall software that I wanted to keep, so the number could be a bit better.
Mod this parent up! One of my biggest pet peeves with Linux is #1. Why can't developers simply provide an uninstall mechanism with their tarballs?
The installation process of the OS and apps have improved greatly in recent years. But everybody seems to ignore the uninstallation issue. You try out a piece of software and you do not like it, what know? Reverse engineer the Makefile to figure out what file to rm...
This is why I always do a
configure --prefix=<directory>
...installing the software on a isolated directory so I can
rm -r -f <directory>
...the directory to uninstall the software. Off course, my path and manpath are growing because I never install software under some generic spot like/usr/local, but at least I do not have to hassle with desintallation.
So, Red Hat want to change its marketing and development strategy? Faster pace for more up to date software?.They should embrace apt or at least provide a similar distribution system (client and server as open-source and free).
If Red Hat wants its distribution to be embraced for the desktop, they must provide a way for people to discover and install apps easily. apt with synaptic is the answer. If there were repositories of 3rd party software available, people could easily install software.
Yes, apt already exist for Red Hat, but the movement is sorta underground since its not the official distribution channel. Only a few sites like freshrpms supports apt. up2date is only wired to their repository, limiting seriously the choice of apps available for download.
Currently, Grandma must download an rpm, start a term and do rpm -Uhv to install it. Not fantastic (ok, there might be some 3rd party gui to do this, but none is standard). If there is one thing I am envious from the Debian distribution, it is its huge number of repositories available and that apt is the standard way of installing software.
All keyboards should have their numpad "," or "." renamed "DS" for decimal separator, including US layout. Yep, because in many multi national cies, US keyboards are used but many use their own local with them (I use US intl. layout with french canadian locale). Thus, naming the key "DS" and have it generate the decimal separator would be the solution.
But this requires to change a standard that is too much entrenched. So only a patch to the software is reasonable.:(
But bug #1820 remains unresolved. In all fairness though, things are a bit moving for this showstopper. Hopefully there will be a solution for it in the near future.
For the few unaware of this bug, in Calc, if your locale uses "," (comma) as a decimal separator, your numeric pad is worthless because the num pad "." (dot) is interepreted as something else than a decimal separator. You imagine how difficult it is to convert people using Excel when you must explain that they cannot use their num pad anymore. And before you suggest remapping keys, please read the bug report. Many non english locales are affected by this bug.
It would have been nice that governments of developped countries would have shipped in, bought Corel for $24 millions and released all their products as open source...
Generic applications should be seen as public services, the same as roads and services....
Yeah, and we will have commercial supersonic flights. After all, they are much cheaper than space flights and there are enough rich people in the world to sustain such commercial endeavor.
What? They are retiring the Concorde? Yeah, but this is only to replace it with a better plane. What? No replacement? Why? The riches can't afford the lousy $6000 ticket?
You get the picture? Going to space is not as cracked up as it sounds, and if I were a billionnaire, I would rather give $20 million to charity than go into space. And I think that many rich people have the same priorities. Thus, there will be very little people civilians going to space in the next century unless some technical revolution comes up.
Well duh, I use my spare keyboard off course. You do have a spare keyboard, don't you?
BTW, its not though going 24 hours without a keyboard. Lets say 21 hours is enough to dry. You clean your keyboard at 21h00 monday evening, after finishing off any work on your computer. Then, you clean the dishes, watch tv and go to bed. Next morning you go to work. It will be 18h00 when you come back home. Assemble your keyboard and voilà. You didn't miss it much.
Are you kidding? You have to leave your home, pay a new keyboard ($75+taxes for the Logitech which is equivalent of more than two hours of work), wait in line at the cashier, come back home and open the box. Also, you spend money for the gas, which again you had to work for, thus consuming more time.
Or, spend 15 minutes washing your keyboard in the confort of your home, listening to music. Also, my way of doing it is much more environmentaly friendly.
Now, how many of you clean your keyboard the hard way, i.e. with a q-tip, trying to go between all the keys?
Cmon, unscrew your keyboard's upper molding and wash your keyboard under water, no soap. This is what I do and it works well. I have done it last week with my two Logitech iTouch keyboards. They look like new. Yeah, so water spills over the electronics. So what? As long as the keyboard is not plugged while washing it, and that you let it dry properly on a hot dry day (I let them dry 24 hours to be sure), they will continue to work.
Do not forget, water + electronics is not the problem, its water + electricity (off course, leaving your electronics for months under water, well, it might rust... Don't over do it.:) ) So go on, and clean your keyboards under the sink.
Until a vacum cleaner can move furniture around like chairs and tables, what is the point? It will miss many places as it bounces off obstacles. Only a human (in this day and age) can move a chair temporarly, vacum and then put it back.
Robot vacums will become mainstream when designer will allow them to be used as normal vacum cleaner. I do not want 2 vacum cleaners, only one. It could let it go automatically once in a while to clean the large surfaces, and at every 1 or 2 weeks, I would vacum thouroughly the house, using the same apparatus, manually (moving furniture around). And the price of such vacum cleaner must not be much more expensive than does of todays vacum cleaners.
Until then, I do not think I will buy one, nor most people. This said, there might be a market for such a product, if targeted for yuppies for instance.
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Read the bug report. This has been already discussed. Essentially, you can blame whoever you want, it still will not resolve the problem and people will go away of OO Calc if nothing is done.
Also, sometimes you have mixed environment. For instance, I am using a US keyboard (with '.') but have my locale set to French Canadian (My employer is american but I work in Montreal). I also prefer the US keyboard with US_intl setup than the french canadian keyboard.
So what I need is that the '.' of the numpad to be interpreted as "decimal separator".
If I remap '.' to ',', then when I use my numpad for entering numbers in a Python program for instance, it would not work. Programming languages do not change syntax according to locale, so it is up to the individual programs to interpret that key according to their specifications.
See the comment of janderk at the end. Essentially, he tried to convert a Dutch school but because of this bug, he failed.
Totally agree. The Concorde existed, but was impractical, economicaly wise. This is why its an extinct bird now.
Nope. 512 Megs, most of it never used. It just freezes once in a while.
XFree86 (4.3.0) crashes/freeze once a month for me. I do not know if Xouvert will address this issue, but I hope.
Unfortunatly, I cannot reproduce the problem. And I am not the only one suffering of this. Some of my collegues also have X freeze once in a while, causing all interactive apps to die.
Yep, but just to correct you a little, it was a fission reactor, not a fusion reactor.
Would he have built a fusion reactor, we would know is name by heart, as the rest of the planet, like we know Einstein.
What I remember from my chemistry class is that plastics are composed of hydrogen and carbon atoms only (neglecting special compounds we can add to dope to obtain specific properties). To be considered organic, oxygen must also be present. Plastic chains do not have oxygen.
I also think that it is the lack of oxygen which makes plastic so durable and not compostable.
A bit off-topic, but in all this SCO issue, I never understood why the end user would be liable.
If I buy say a Ford, and it turns out that Ford stole intellectual property from GM, would I, as a Ford owner whose car specifications have been improved by the stollen IP, have to pay say $200 to GM? I think not. GM should only sew Ford, not Ford car owners.
Now why a Linux user would be liable? Contributors to Linux and other open source project should be liable, but not end users. If SCO limited its action against code contributors, I could understand it (assuming that there are some merits). But can they actually ask end users to pay up? Can this really stand in court?
In the mean time, use MS-Excel is you have alot of data to enter. :(
I would gladly lower my calories entries if only I could cut my appetite. What science needs to create now is a pill that cuts appetite without any side effects.
You sure can call this spam if foreigners (non american residing outside the US) get the email. Anybody outside the US got this email? Or did they get hold of list of americain only emails?
As monopolies go, which one is the worst? Debeers or Microsoft? I get the impression that its Debeers, but I am not an expert in the diamond industry so I cannot compare.
I totally agree. They could merge so plugins could be shared for the two desktops.
BTW, wouldn't karamba run on a Gnome desktop like other KDE apps?
I guess you missed the idea...
.deb and other package formats exist.
:( But in all fairness, I never tried to uninstall software that I wanted to keep, so the number could be a bit better.
Linux Annoyances is not about the kernel only, its about the whole Linux experience. This include installing and uninstalling software.
You are right that the problem lies with the authors of the piece of software. But the problem remains. 99% of Windows software allows easy uninstallation, while 99% of Linux software packaged as tarball do not. For Mr. Joe Average, regardless who is responsible, this is an annoyance. Its like hardware manufacturers that do not provide Linux drivers. Can't blame the kernel developers, but its still annoying when you bought a force feedback joystick that does not work on your Linux OS. But thank god that RPMs,
And I stick with the 99% number, because as far as I know, the only tarball that provides an uninstall target is my own software (autopoweroff).
target not found, 99% of the time.
The installation process of the OS and apps have improved greatly in recent years. But everybody seems to ignore the uninstallation issue. You try out a piece of software and you do not like it, what know? Reverse engineer the Makefile to figure out what file to rm...
This is why I always do a ...installing the software on a isolated directory so I can ...the directory to uninstall the software. Off course, my path and manpath are growing because I never install software under some generic spot like
So, Red Hat want to change its marketing and development strategy? Faster pace for more up to date software? .They should embrace apt or at least provide a similar distribution system (client and server as open-source and free).
If Red Hat wants its distribution to be embraced for the desktop, they must provide a way for people to discover and install apps easily. apt with synaptic is the answer. If there were repositories of 3rd party software available, people could easily install software.
Yes, apt already exist for Red Hat, but the movement is sorta underground since its not the official distribution channel. Only a few sites like freshrpms supports apt. up2date is only wired to their repository, limiting seriously the choice of apps available for download.
Currently, Grandma must download an rpm, start a term and do rpm -Uhv to install it. Not fantastic (ok, there might be some 3rd party gui to do this, but none is standard). If there is one thing I am envious from the Debian distribution, it is its huge number of repositories available and that apt is the standard way of installing software.
All keyboards should have their numpad "," or "." renamed "DS" for decimal separator, including US layout. Yep, because in many multi national cies, US keyboards are used but many use their own local with them (I use US intl. layout with french canadian locale). Thus, naming the key "DS" and have it generate the decimal separator would be the solution.
:(
But this requires to change a standard that is too much entrenched. So only a patch to the software is reasonable.
But bug #1820 remains unresolved. In all fairness though, things are a bit moving for this showstopper. Hopefully there will be a solution for it in the near future.
For the few unaware of this bug, in Calc, if your locale uses "," (comma) as a decimal separator, your numeric pad is worthless because the num pad "." (dot) is interepreted as something else than a decimal separator. You imagine how difficult it is to convert people using Excel when you must explain that they cannot use their num pad anymore. And before you suggest remapping keys, please read the bug report. Many non english locales are affected by this bug.
It would have been nice that governments of developped countries would have shipped in, bought Corel for $24 millions and released all their products as open source...
Generic applications should be seen as public services, the same as roads and services....
Yeah, and we will have commercial supersonic flights. After all, they are much cheaper than space flights and there are enough rich people in the world to sustain such commercial endeavor.
What? They are retiring the Concorde? Yeah, but this is only to replace it with a better plane. What? No replacement? Why? The riches can't afford the lousy $6000 ticket?
You get the picture? Going to space is not as cracked up as it sounds, and if I were a billionnaire, I would rather give $20 million to charity than go into space. And I think that many rich people have the same priorities. Thus, there will be very little people civilians going to space in the next century unless some technical revolution comes up.
Well duh, I use my spare keyboard off course. You do have a spare keyboard, don't you?
BTW, its not though going 24 hours without a keyboard. Lets say 21 hours is enough to dry. You clean your keyboard at 21h00 monday evening, after finishing off any work on your computer. Then, you clean the dishes, watch tv and go to bed. Next morning you go to work. It will be 18h00 when you come back home. Assemble your keyboard and voilà. You didn't miss it much.
Are you kidding? You have to leave your home, pay a new keyboard ($75+taxes for the Logitech which is equivalent of more than two hours of work), wait in line at the cashier, come back home and open the box. Also, you spend money for the gas, which again you had to work for, thus consuming more time.
Or, spend 15 minutes washing your keyboard in the confort of your home, listening to music. Also, my way of doing it is much more environmentaly friendly.
Now, how many of you clean your keyboard the hard way, i.e. with a q-tip, trying to go between all the keys?
:) ) So go on, and clean your keyboards under the sink.
Cmon, unscrew your keyboard's upper molding and wash your keyboard under water, no soap. This is what I do and it works well. I have done it last week with my two Logitech iTouch keyboards. They look like new. Yeah, so water spills over the electronics. So what? As long as the keyboard is not plugged while washing it, and that you let it dry properly on a hot dry day (I let them dry 24 hours to be sure), they will continue to work.
Do not forget, water + electronics is not the problem, its water + electricity (off course, leaving your electronics for months under water, well, it might rust... Don't over do it.
Until a vacum cleaner can move furniture around like chairs and tables, what is the point? It will miss many places as it bounces off obstacles. Only a human (in this day and age) can move a chair temporarly, vacum and then put it back.
Robot vacums will become mainstream when designer will allow them to be used as normal vacum cleaner. I do not want 2 vacum cleaners, only one. It could let it go automatically once in a while to clean the large surfaces, and at every 1 or 2 weeks, I would vacum thouroughly the house, using the same apparatus, manually (moving furniture around). And the price of such vacum cleaner must not be much more expensive than does of todays vacum cleaners.
Until then, I do not think I will buy one, nor most people. This said, there might be a market for such a product, if targeted for yuppies for instance.