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OpenOffice 1.1 RC 1 Released
Heartz writes "OpenOffice has released OpenOffice 1.1 RC 1. Get details here. Neat features include built in PDF and Flash export, better MS Office document filters and more!"
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wooHOO!!! now we just need Ximian to make it purty!
Schrodinger's cat is either dead or really pissed off...
Simplicity, like AbiWord.
Less bloat, like Gnumeric (which yet scores over Excel)
Performance - It's a lot slower than MS Office, specially on Linux.
If you keep throwing chairs, one day you'll break windows....
Does it do wordperfect files yet?
That is what stops my household from using 1.0.x Instead we're still using Corel 7
Neat features include built in PDF and Flash export, better MS Office document filters and more
;)
So now it filters out MS Office documents better?
*drum hit*
Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week
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Anyone have a .torrent for this puppy yet?
So, how well do the MS Office document filters work with procmail and spamassassin?
Openoffice has really matured lately. With at least two free (not as in beer) Exchange server substitutes, I reckon OpenOffice is ready for... the office.
What I would like to read is a review of OpenOffice from some non-techie end user from a company that has switched to OO. Did the migration work seemlessly? Did the $ saved in software license measure up to the manhours the IT department had to use for support? Basically, a cost-benefit analysis, because a positive analysis like that is what it takes for the suits to recognize OO.
Open Office is a wonderful tool and shows that OS is capable of producing high end flash products. Open office is great in that it combines all of the tools you could need for manipulating spread sheets, diagrams and of course words.
Give a man a fire, he is warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.
OTOH, maybe he's just laughing at us. MS Office came out in, what, 1994? Here is it almost 10 years later and we're just barely getting that same functionality. Instead of trying to play catchup from so long ago, I can't help but wonder if Linux should be doing something new. I, for one, could do with having my ping times halved.
I can't get MS Office to create a new pdf using pdf 6.0 so I'm excited to give this a try. With better filters I might be able to switch completely to a linux box!!!
It does both of the things you mention. Not perfectly, but then neither does Word when importing older doc versions.
What rock have you been hiding uder?
In RC1 is also a talkback style crash reporter to collect stacktrace and error information. I hope this will help OOo team to get rid of the bugs faster.
Ive tried the betas, and yes, they ARE FASTER, but there is still some problems. First it still struggles with the fonts. It dosen't have Font config support So about 50% of my fonts don't work (including my MSTTF fonts).
.doc format and tries to make you use its own proprietary format.
Secondly its annoying that it naggs you if you save in
Finaly That lightbulb has got to go. It's a horrible paperclip clone. Other than that, it's great, and that PDF export is REALLY helpful.
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But bug #1820 remains unresolved. In all fairness though, things are a bit moving for this showstopper. Hopefully there will be a solution for it in the near future.
For the few unaware of this bug, in Calc, if your locale uses "," (comma) as a decimal separator, your numeric pad is worthless because the num pad "." (dot) is interepreted as something else than a decimal separator. You imagine how difficult it is to convert people using Excel when you must explain that they cannot use their num pad anymore. And before you suggest remapping keys, please read the bug report. Many non english locales are affected by this bug.
Remember the year 2000? They promised us flying cars. They delivered the PT Cruiser...
Main problem is just fast execution. Is it star and run faster ?
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It seriously needs to be packaged as an MSI installer, preferably with a Transform creator so that the install can be customised as much as possible. To create a custom MS Office install for the entire enterprise takes 15 minutes, OpenOffice can take days to repackage...
I hope they've done something about the spell checking bugs. The support for anything other than United Statesian English is pretty bad. I wish I could just select Canadian/British English, as a default, and that it would actually have spell check capabilities for at least one of these languages. Considering the good international support of many other Open Source apps. This one just isn't up to par.
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I don't have a problem reading/writing word docs with open office? Do you?
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Does/will OpenOffice have/plan to have a build for Palm OS or other (read MS) variants?
As more mobile devices appear in business markets (particularly new growth in the medical and industrial markets) I believe it is sound to include a strategy for atleast view if not edit capabilities for these smaller than life devices.
Get an Apple and enjoy computing again
I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
I still can't see a lot of big companies switching because of embedded scripts/macros. The embedded vb stuff is pretty handy and makes up a lot of dynamic spreadsheets and stuff.
I wonder if ooo.org will work in perl or some other handy dandy scripting tool. For what I do at home, it's good enough now, though.
-t
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New features in OpenOffice.org 1.1rc over OpenOffice.org beta2 release:
# a "talkback" style crash reporter to collect stacktrace and error information
# new command line parameter -start to automatically start a presentation after the document is loaded
# ability to update existing OpenOffice.org 1.0.x single user installations
# support for drawing objects in headers and footers
# an example XSLT filter for Office 2003 XML format
# support for MS Excel 95 and older form controls
# UNO python bridge - python is now a first class language for creating UNO components for OpenOffice.org
# built in spell checking dictionaries for English (UK) and Italian
# built in hyphenation support for Danish, English (UK), German and Russian
# integrated Bitstream Vera fonts
# improved spelling suggestions using n-gram scoring
New features in OpenOffice.org 1.1rc over OpenOffice.org beta2 release:
For full list of features please see the OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC features list.
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Programmers take note. The media (this includes Slashdot) will report the Big Features. But the users will love it for the little features. For a successfull release you need both Big Features (so that word of the release gets out) and little features (so that users will like it).
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Something I thought was a very annoying feature in OpenOffice 1.0.3 was that it tries to be "smart" and open a file in a part of the office suite it "thinks" is best fit to do the job, and no apparent way to turn that function off.
.txt file in Calc, it still open it in Writer. What?! I didn't tell it to open it in Writer. Even MS Office is more smart than that and imports it as best as it can by figuring out the delimiter etc, and certainly not tries to open it in the word processor, when I basically issued the command "ooocalc.exe table.txt". If it lacks the intelligence to open it, at least go confused and show me the Import dialog so I can properly import it as a tab-delimited text. But there doesn't even seem to be a setting for this...
.txt file, pick the .txt file format to be something like "Comma-delimited txt file" somewhere deep in its combo box and then it finally understands "aaah, it's delimited!" and stops forcing me to use another program than I'm trying to open it with.
:-(
For example, if I choose to open a tab-delimited
I noticed there's a setting in OO that let you select the default program to use. But I don't want to open any document in a "default" program, I want to open a document in the program I'm opening it with!
So right now, I have to go through the looong path of starting Calc stand-alone, File->Open, select the
I really hope I'm missing something here, or this behavior will be fixed in OO 1.1, because I really despise programs that think, no... assumes, they know more than you do. I was also shocked to once again have to disable the paper clip feature in OO! Only difference was that the current incarnation was now a light bulb and not a paper clip. What progress the world is making.
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We have tried rolling this out at a number of sites. YMMV but this is our experience:
;)
OO is *perfect* for a large range of users, it handles all the bases and it's interoperability with the rest of the world (i.e. MS Office) is 'good enough'.
A significant proportion of users like it better than "the real thing" - heh, heh
When a user comes down to the IT department asking for a copy of 'Office' for home it is the perfect opportunity for evangelism ("We can't let you have office, it's £500, but you can have this for free - it's almost as good, so you won't even see much difference").
Management/Bean Counters *love* it - if you can lose £200-£500 *per desktop* every 3 years they'll think you can walk on water - especially if you've just lost them a few £100k off the cost of their back-end systems
HOWEVER...
Much a I have unbridled enthusiasm for OO, and I believe it is an essential part of Open Source's killer nature, it is *not yet* a no brainer for the enterprise.
Try giving it to a secretary. Worse yet, give it to a whole department of them. You will not get our ALIVE.
OO needs much stronger mailmerge capabilities. Then it will be awesome from the secretarial point of view. Until then they would rather die than give up MS Office.
OO, or a seperate project also needs a replacement for 'Access'. Yes I know we should be moving them to LAMP (and in fact we do a lot of this ourselves), but the honest truth is there are sh*t loads of companies out there with hundreds of little access applications. This is our market too.
Anyway, as I said, YMMV
Whenever OpenOffice.org gets discussed on here, I see plenty of people complaining about its speed. I guess people must be trying to run on the cheap with older, slower systems, because I've been very happy with version 1.0.3 on my middle-of-the-road 1.7 GHz laptop. And, yes, I have been a longtime user of MS Office, and I notice a slight load time difference. But if that's the complaint, then I think it's a minor thing.
Now to my main question. A few years ago, I decided to stop running software designated as alpha or beta releases. How does a Release Candidate differ from a beta version? Is it stable enough for the average user (one who isn't particularly interested in testing new software) to download and use?
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Business Guy: I'd love to if you just has [feature] which MS has and makes my life a lot easier.
OSS Community: Create it yourself, lamer.
Business Guy: Hello, Microsoft, I would like to order a 1000 computer site license for MS Office. Thanks.
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
See http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/07/07/1516238.sh tml:
"For example, the latest patch that I worked on myself (as opposed to working on merging other people's stuff) was to get X11 and Mozilla to load faster by improving the read-ahead heuristics for page faulting in the executable images"
I hope this could also improve OO startup perf.
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At my office we use M$ Office and we do a lot of customization to it. I've never used Open Office but seeing as we get raped every year it might be nice to have an alternative.
So, what kind of developmet does Open Office allow? And does it support database intergration and intergration with Exchange?
...is the addition of a progress bar to the splash screen. (See this page, under "Other Enhancements", near the bottom.) This would normally be a sign that your code is getting a wee bit bloated.
That said, I use OpenOffice.org 1.0.2 a lot at home, and am very pleased with it. It is slow to start, but is quite fast afterwards, and normally I have it running all the time. (This is on a 1.3GHz Athlon with 512Mb, running Mandrake 9.1.) I use mostly the wordprocessor, with a bit of the spreadsheet, and for my relatively simple needs, I've yet to find anything it can't do.
I've never owned a copy of MS Office, so the improvements in compatability with it will pass me by. Occasionally, lusers send me Word documents, and OOo already does a good job of getting the gist across. Most of the time, they're not saying anything that couldn't be said just as effectively in plain text. If the formatting is too complicated for OOo to unmangle, well... the document probably wasn't worth reading anyway :-p
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That makes sense actually. The PHB reads about "this OpenOffice thing" in a trade mag & tells IT to test it "on one of our old computers." So it gets tested on a 450 PII instead of on the P-4's that MS Office is routinely run on. And the IT director's report back to the PHB is, "It's slow."
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
Reviews (previews?) of 1.1 keep claiming that it supports exporting to PDF. What exactly does this mean? Is it plain `print to ps then run through gs so you get something a bit like a PDF that will open in acroread', or is it proper support for PDF, complete with links and bookmarks?
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Nice, but performance is still terrible with large documents. And yes, I have a fast computer.
One of the annoying things for me about OOo is that when a misspelled word is underlined automatically, when you right-click to see the suggestions it takes upwards of a minute for the context menu to come up.
Is there a way to speed this up, or is it the kind of thing that would be fixed in the new version?
Sick of people knocking on Gentoo's greatness in completely unrelated
We have got to limit the Microsoft(tm) employees from posting on slashdot.
I like how they call the old 1.0.3.1 a "legacy" build. What a turn-off. Why didn't they call it stable, and the new one unstable, in good ol' Debian style.
OK, so I run Windows XP at home. I'm trying to get into OpenOffice but the upgrade "scheme" is a pain. I haven't found an easy way to just update to the latest version. I normally go through and delete the current version (installed for the network and each individual user) and then install the new version. I have to say that this is a royal pain. Maybe I'm missing something but I find OpenOffice a pain to install in XP. Especially for multiple users.
What is it exporting, presentations? I don't see a flash export feature the copy of RC1 I just installed...
So it isn't a closed format, but OpenOffice is still really annoying when you don't want to use its format. MS Office doesn't badger you but once; after you've decided that you really want to save a file as RTF no matter what the scary dialog boxes say, it doesn't ask you again. Why should OpenOffice continally harass me about "Oh, the lost information!" if I'm just writing a simple text document?
.doc by default, as that's what is needed at our school paper (for some reason, Quark's RTF import loses italics, which is just not acceptable).
Similarly, I'd like to be able to set it to save in a format like
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my boss was coming when I clicked on the link!
I will check twice before clicking a link in comments now
I use OOO at home, but the lack of an Outlook-compatible PIM is the killer for businesses. I suppose that means we need an open-source clone of Exchange too.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
Yes, it's slow on a PII 450. But it is a LOT worse than MS Office. MS Office is very usable on a machine of that class. I'm using a P2 350 and it runs Office 97 just fine.
I can go and get a cup of coffee while OpenOffice loads on it. (Under RedHat 9.)
Your point is still valid though, it will run slower than MS Office on a P4.
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I'm sad to say I'll to remain a Word advocate until OO supports grammar checking. While I agree that OO is usable, I really miss the squiggly green lines when I edit a paragraph (in a rush) and scramble it to nonsense. A gobbledegook indicatior vastly improves the quality of first draft documents and, to me is a must-have feature.
Are there any plans for something similar in OO?
OpenOffice FINALS are unstable. What's the point of posting about a RC?
yeah, most people "come" when that link is clicked
OO.org is SO slashdotted right now, it isn't even funny... As such, I have no way of finding out the answer to my question:
Does the OS X version make use of the groovy "Aqua" gui yet, or is it still kludged on top of X for OS X? That's the barrier to getting mass testing/deployment on the Macinotsh... There certainly is no love lost between Mac users and Redmond.
I could easily see the "De facto" format for document distribution becoming the PDF... Originally, that would have been ineffecient (due to people using modems for internet connectivity,) but now, especially as bandwidth available to users goes up over time with increased availability of cable/dsl/dedicated T1... After a while it won't matter how HUGE long PDF files can bceome.
Windows users can make PDFs for free, right now, thanks to this program. (Or you can pay $10 and not see pop-up ads when you launch the program.) I don't see why anybody wouldn't start doing it, as sort of a one man protest.
Who did what now?
OpenOffice will never read standard MS-Office files. Neither will MS-Office, because there is no such thing as "standard MS-Office fles". Neither ANSI, ISO, W3C nor DIN.
However, OpenOffice files are based on standard XML, but MS-Office cannot and will not read standard anything. So you would probably have more luck using NON-standard MS-Office files, than you would standard XNL OpenOffice files.
If you use RH9 or SuSE 8.2 you can already get a snapshot of the work in progress wrt. a Ximianized OO.o 1.1 from the 'ooo-snapshot' channel in Red Carpet. It's pretty functional.
You don't need CVS. Here's a different tutorial that may help:m
http://www.virtualsky.net/daves/2003-08.ht
My wife is illiterate in a pc world and because of my profession, uses me gratuitously for support. She is also a college student at 37 and must type many papers. Up until this summer she has only used MS Word for her work and has no knowledge of any other processing apps that are out there. I have a Win2k domain at home and I created an OO.org MSI install so that deployments are hands free, and simple. The results of the test? She did NOT realize that Word wasn't installed for two weeks. It's true that some of the menu items aren't there or are different but it didn't matter because she would call me any way. It turns out that there are features that she prefers now such as a much cleaner auto complete. I think we would all be making mistake by comparing OO.org to MS Office too directly. They are different apps with a different feature-set even though ostensibly they are both used for the same tasks. Sure there are bugs in OO.org, but ahem.... when was the last time you commented on a bug free MS Office? Besides that it would be worth three months of torture in hell to do away with that freakin paper clip!
Ooh, does that mean I can filter MS Office documents out of my life forever?
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My wife wanted me to install Word, but I sneakily installed Open Office instead.
So far, she has been able to do whatever she needed in OO, and has not come across any limitations in terms of it's capabilities.
My first impression of it was that it seems to be up to the task, but I didn't like how it started to prompt for Data sources when I first started it.
Cool feature, maybe.. but let me find that stuff when I want it, not when I want to play with the tool and see what it does.
Other than that small gripe, it's probably gonna go on any new boxes I build, unless a customer asks otherwise
This company saves loads by adopting open source, so did my previous company. Sure we had to spend a little time and effort to investigate but we, the business were the ones who profited from it, and we profited over our rivals.
What exactly do you expect to happen, perhaps something like this:
Business Guy: I'd love to if you just has [feature] which MS has and makes my life a lot easier.
OSS Community: oh yes, no problem, we just spent the last 6 months working in our free time to make this software, let me just take a few days off work to do that for you.
You are missing the entire point of OSS. If enough people wanted that feature then it would already be there. If just that company wants that feature then they can hire a coder to add it. They don't have some mystical right to demand features/upgrades just beacuse the software is open. What if they want a feature that ms office doesnt have?
That's fine, but the OSS community should stop criticizing businesses for using MS products in that case. If they have to spend more to bring Open Office up to their requirements than to license MS Office there is only one logical choice.
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
however, there is still no usefull word count feature.. which makes OpenOffice a lot less useful than it should be.
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I can't believe all the negative comments. You guys are so harsh towards something that is FREE! That is one thing that MS Office can never come close to. For many small companies or schools, free is an obvious choice over M$, and it will do the job. I can't believe how so many people here are very picky about little things. If you don't like it, pay the M$ tax and quit complaining.
-Scott
Release Candidate (should mean)/ means that if no showstopper bugs are uncovered, then _this_ version will be released.
Different projects have different standards for the likelihood of this being the case. Some projects ship beta-quality software as RC, some do such extensive beta testing that rarely does an RC2 become necessary. YMMV
alex
It works fairly well. We run a Solaris box for the desktops and X terminals for 30+ users. It seems to work ok most of the time.
I only have one real grump. There is a common launch menu for apps (including OO). You must "install" it for each user, a PITA. When we did an upgrade to 1.0.1, it started putting the executable in a different place. It was at $HOME/OpenOffice.org/1.0/soffice. For new and upgraded users it is now at $HOME/OpenOffice.org/1.0.1/soffice.
Now we need two buttons on the common menu, and users need to remember which one they use. Maybe we are dense and did something wrong, but this seems silly.
Anyone know of a mirror that has these in .deb package format?
Jan
Is the splash screen (on Linux I've found it annoying) still there?
I tried OO, but people get irritated (at least) when I send them a fscked file. And since my company has a site-wide license for Office and I'm running RH Linux on an intel, for $55 I just bought Codeweaver's Crossover Office and be done with it.
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Personally I agree 100%, my belief has always been to use the best tool for the job.
If they have to spend more to bring Open Office up to their requirements than to license MS Office there is only one logical choice.
Again you're missing the point of using OSS. Yes they would have spent initially more money, but then all the upgrades/bugfixes/patches/securityfixes are free. They won't have to pay another 5k for office 200(current_year+1). They can be sure that they can integrate their data with ANY OTHER OPEN APPLICATION in the future. They won't be locked into proprietry vendor who then has them and all their data by the balls.
If it was as simple as the initial expense, I would agree, but business software is more than the initial expense, you have to look at it in terms of its entire lifetime and what the costs will be over this lifetime.
proprietary
1. Of, relating to, or suggestive of a proprietor or to proprietors as a group: had proprietary rights; behaved with a proprietary air in his friend's house.
2. Exclusively owned; private: a proprietary hospital.
3. Owned by a private individual or corporation under a trademark or patent: a proprietary drug.
proprietary
adj. 1. In marketroid-speak, superior; implies a
product imbued with exclusive magic by the unmatched brilliance of
the company's own hardware or software designers. 2. In the
language of hackers and users, inferior; implies a product not
conforming to open-systems standards, and thus one that puts the
customer at the mercy of a vendor able to gouge freely on service
and upgrade charges after the initial sale has locked the customer
in. Often in the phrase "proprietary crap". 3. Synonym for
closed-source, e.g. software issued in binary without source and
under a restructive license.
Since the coining of the term open source, many hackers have
made a conscious effort to distinguish between `proprietary' and
`commercial' software. It is possible for software to be commercial
(that is, intended to make a profit for the producers) without being
proprietary. The reverse is also possible, for example in
binary-only freeware.
My wife emailed me her resume (in .doc format, which, like it or not, is the standard nowadays) so I could review it.
OpenOffice.org 1.0.3 crashed upon trying to open it. This is a Word doc that was exported from OO.org 1.0.3... how sad is that? I installed 1.1RC1 and it was just fine though. So I'd guess the import is improved.
Installing RC1 on her system was rather more difficult... since the installer kept bombing about a UNICOWS.DLL error. Yes, the solution was easy to find on the website, but why not have a more useful error message than that in the first place? If it's a FAQ, it should be reasonable to integrate the error message into the installer rather than confuse the user. Most people will get an error like that and say screw it and go back to Word/Works/whatever.
I'm running a P2 333 and it it runs just fine here. Anyone who says it's unusable is simply insane, though startups are painfully slow. And this is an older version of OO. Just wait till you try the newer version, which loads faster, AND you get a 2.6 kernel, load times should be significantly faster.
They are still ignoring a really big, important feature: BIBLIOGRAPHY. The built-in bibliography "manager" SUCKS large rocks through capillary tubes. It is NOT useful in any way, shape, or form.
If you are a high school or college student, or a professional who actually gives proper attribution rather than flat-out plaigerizes, or write scientific papers (biology, for instance - physics and math people use latex/lyx, end of story) you MUST provide references in your papers Research papers for class, papers for submission to professional journals, publications for dissemination online...all require references and a properly formatted reference list.
I am a biochemist. I recently gave an Impress presentation to my colleagues on my research. Afterwards, a few had questions on what I was using...they noted that I was using linux on my laptop. I told them about OO/StarOffice. They were interested but ultimately I had to disabuse them of the idea of using it to replace Office because OO/SO cannot do references properly. These people use Office with EndNote so they can create a properly formatted and REFERENCED document for publication. Without reference management (ala EndNote-like capability) OO/SO is useless to them. A non-starter. I myself never use OO/SO for writing. I use Lyx plus pybliographer because between the two, I can relatively easily create a proper document with properly formatted references with ease. Can OO/SO do this? Not. Even. Close.
OO/SO is nifty for doing "powerpoint-like" presentations and the Calc function is minimally useful (for real work I have to use gnumeric because it has some nice, handy scientifically relevant functions and capabilities that Calc lacks). For writing a letter or some similarly low-power document, OO/SO is fine. For real writing, Lyx/latex...because it is the only thing in the linux world up to the task.
For god's sake! SOMEONE in the wordprocessing world (Textmaker, Gobe, OO/SO, etc) add the ability to manage references! This includes a SIMPLE means of inserting a citation or citations into a doc AND auto-generate configurable reference pages to go with it - not all journals or departments, etc, use the same citation and reference page formatting. Quit with the crap like adding a progress bar during startup (what the fuh?!) and do something worthwhile and actually useful. Add a real functional improvement rather than just more window dressing.
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
KDE's KOffice is developing a *complete* suite of applications to replace MS Office. In your case, please investigate Kexi (www.koffice.org/kexi/), a true Access replacement.
Eron
I tried OpenOffice for the first time a few weeks ago and the first thing I tried to do was open a Word document and it crashed.
It might be a decent program for creating new documents, but I wouldn't suggest using it to edit legacy MS Office documents.
Opening the same sheet with Oo.o 1.1beta1 & 2, tood a few seconds (didn't time it), and the cells were parsed correctly.
But, my adobe type1 fonts are now missing from the selection pulldown!
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Windows Downloads:
://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/openoffice/stable/1.1rc/ OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz .gz /stab le/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
http://www.binarycode.org/openoffice/s table/1.1rc/ OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
http://www.ibibl io.org/pub/packages/openoffice/sta ble/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
ftp:// ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/openoffice/stable/1.1rc/ OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
http://openoffic e.mirrors.pair.com/stable/1.1rc/OO o_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
ftp://openofficeor g.secsup.org/pub/software/openof fice/stable/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
ftp://mirrors.umbc.edu/pub/editors/openoffice/st ab le/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_Win32Intel_install.zip
Linux Downloads:
http://www.binarycode.org/openoffice/s table/1.1rc/ OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
http://www.ib iblio.org/pub/packages/openoffice/sta ble/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
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http://openof fice.mirrors.pair.com/stable/1.1rc/OO o_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
ftp://openoffic eorg.secsup.org/pub/software/openof fice/stable/1.1rc/OOo_1.1rc_LinuxIntel_install.tar
ftp://mirrors.umbc.edu/pub/editors/openoffice
MacOSX Downloads:
http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/ooo- osx_download s.html#download
New features in OpenOffice.org 1.1rc over OpenOffice.org beta2 release
* a "talkback" style crash reporter to collect stacktrace and error information
* new command line parameter -start to automatically start a presentation after the document is loaded
* ability to update existing OpenOffice.org 1.0.x single user installations
* support for drawing objects in headers and footers
* an example XSLT filter for Office 2003 XML format
* support for MS Excel 95 and older form controls
* UNO python bridge - python is now a first class language for creating UNO components for OpenOffice.org
* built in spell checking dictionaries for English (UK) and Italian
* built in hyphenation support for Danish, English (UK), German and Russian
* integrated Bitstream Vera fonts
* improved spelling suggestions using n-gram scoring
OpenOffice.org 1.1 RC Features
2003-07-11
Enhanced file format support
* PDF (Portable Document Format) export
* Support for mailing a document as PDF.
* DocBook/XML import/export.
* XHTML export.
* Support for exporting as a flat XML file.
* Support for Macromedia Flash (SWF) export.
* Support for mobile device formats like AportisDoc (Palm), Pocket Word and Pocket Excel.
* Example xslt based filter for Office 2003 XML documents
Accessibility
* Support for full keyboard navigation and control
* Support for tracking system colour scheme and theme settings
* Support for accessibility in the help system and documents
* Initial support for Assistive Technologies via Java accessibility APIs
Internationalization
CTL, vertical and bidirectional writing
* Support for vertical writing within text documents, text frames and graphic objects
* Support for vertical writing in spreadsheet cells (the direction is individualy selectable)
* Support for input, display and editing of scripts using Complex Text Layout (CTL)
* Support for RTL layout and text in the OpenOffice.org GUI
* Support for BiDi-writing in OpenOffice.org documents
* Support for using either Arabic or Hindi numerals
* The RTL vs. LTR default text direction is automaticly selected based on locale
Other Internationalization enhancements
* Support for various 8-bit Arabic and Hebrew text encodings / code pages.
* Support for the KOI8_U encoding.
* New CTL options tab in language options dialog.
* Rescue mode support for BiDi/CTL with X11 fonts.
* S
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Catch you on the metamod +5 funny guys.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Contracts do not need to be the inch-thick, heavily boilerplated tommes that come to mind. A contract could be as simple as:
OSSD agrees to develop [feature - be explicit] for BG and provide 90 days of support in exchange for [price/services].
BG agrees to remit half of the fee, [spell it out here] at the beginning of the project and the remainder when OSSD delivers completed software, accepted by BG on the following criteria [list].
BG agrees to pay all OSSD legal fees in the event of nonpayment or contract breach.
[BG signature] [OSSD signature]
In many US states, this will protect you - offer and consideration are spelled out, acceptance critera is listed, and BG has agreed to pay the legal fees if it comes to that! Of course, IANAL, and I would advise bouncing such a contract off of a lawyer to ensure validity in your area. The few minutes that a lawyer would take to do that would not cost anywhere near as much as nonpayment!
Don't pick up the pho*(@)$*@&@!@ NO CARRIER
WordPerfect file compatibility is one of the "extras" that differentiate StarOffice 6.x from OpenOffice.
LyX makes LaTeX almost useable. The latest development version (1.3.2) supports MacOS X, Windoze (via cygwin), and can use either an xforms gui or Qt. For technical writing, it really can't be beat.
Yes, I didn't mention it in the post but it is fairly usable once it is started. I'm hoping a 2.6 kernel will improve things.. .. and don't get me started on Mozilla. I can't use it at all on my P133. It literally lags while I type addresses.
Unzip an OO data file (say, an SXW word-processing document). There's a file in there called "content.xml". Open it up in a text editor. There's your content. So where's the "proprietary" again?
Oh, and if you don't like the lightbulb, turn it off. Tools > Options > OpenOffice.org > General > Help Agent > Unclick the "Activate" button.
Use your brain, *then* complain.
Does anyone else think putting an installer inside of a zipfile is just silly? It's like installing it twice!
The 1.1 beta I installed a few weeks ago has made me a convert.
Look a little harder. When in the word processor, go to File > Properties and click on the "Statistics" tab. Voila!
What we need is an OSS-using consulting firm who will actually be nice to the customer and help them out. *THEN* we will see some adoption.
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1) Grammar checker in OpenOffice - for all the Non native English speakers
2) A Mail and calendar application that is integrated. Yes Mozilla is partially integrated - but the Mozilla Calendar doesn't work properly.
Currently it is crippled and needs some work. It should support ITIP, read emailed Outlook events, and ftp for calendar entries (not just webdav).
2) Integrated GNUe small business accounting software to be released (and work). Eventually all small businesses want to use the addressbook from their accounting software.
4) OpenOffice needs to be more accessible to programmers. It is difficult for developers to get started and contribute to this project as it is so large and complex.
5) OpenOffice to start quicker in linux like the Ximian Hack but faster.
6) A Lotus Approach/MS Access/FileMaker Pro replacement
7) Prettier icons. Compare kwrite to oo write. The icons are much prettier - and that stuff sells.
Setting up a network printer is a one-time task, setting up networking and file sharing are one-time tasks. Those tasks were performed under DOS or using special utilities, it was honestly no harder than doing it under Linux, and at least under Windows, the print driver could speak the language of the printer.
Cutting and pasting are regularly performed tasks. Printing is a regularly performed task. Consistent editing keys and keystrokes (home, end, shift to select, select without wiping out clipboard contents, double-click to highlight a word, ctrl-arrow to advance or retreat a word etc..)
And all this stuff about Linux having a marvellous and thoroughly advanced clipboard is baloney. Every time a limitation pops up, there are 20 people screaming why the limitation is there, and why it is better than Windows.
The real reason to get rid of Win3.1 and Win9x is because the OS under that API is rotten to the core. MS is getting better at the OS with 2k and XP, but there are still rough edges.
In 1995, Linux showed a lot of promise on the Desktop. Win3.1 didn't have a good underlying OS, and neither did Win95.
But now, as it was in 1995, the best Desktop for a Linux environment is a Windows machine. Linux's strengths are so network transparent that a good terminal emulator on Windows was all you needed to have a solid GUI and still be able to use Linux on your network.
I can run OpenOffice, Mozilla, and the whole Cygnus Gnu environment on Windows. Why should I bother with a Linux Desktop?
Your argument would mean that something like thisShouldn't be scorned as a shameful attempt at "Hello World!"[1] because I say it is in the Public Domain.
[1]: I can't even be bothered to count the errors in that. Double digits, at least.
If you really want reveal codes then you should use TeX. I specially recommend you to use LyX - excelent WYSIWIG environment for editing in TeX (actually LaTeX) code.
Less is more !
Particle physicists don't have much ground to complain about cutesy names. "Leprechaun" seems like a good name for a charmed lepton to me.
The problem is that the alternatives to exchange/outlook are not actual replacements. Unless those projects run on Windows too, they'll never be replacements.
It is way way faster than the previous version at startup. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
> They won't have to pay another 5k for office 200(current_year+1).
Wh osays they do? For instance here we are still using office 97 on nt 4, and this is is a very large company (multiple sites many 1000's of people per site)
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Python? No Elisp support? Then it's not good for real (X)Emacs users yet!
Just kidding. Seriosuly, I'd love to script macros using Python in OOo. Python is a real and powerfull OOP (strong typing) language, and it's a scripting one at the same time (dynamic typing + lazy evaluation) - it's exactly what I need for macros. I hope Python scripting will come soon after Python componentes in OOo.
Less is more !
Does it really matter what his statistics are? Is there any doubt in your mind that OOo is slower than MS Office? You've run OOo before, I assume?
It's slow. It hogs memory. MSOffice is really quite well-optimized, launches quickly, and if it does use a lot of memory, it's not as much as OOo.
Sorry, but nitpicky benchmarks don't matter... on almost every system I've ever run it, OOo fails the user responsiveness test while MSO is acceptably fast. Not a piece of software I'd actually want to use, but acceptably fast.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
No doubt. I'm still on Office 97 at work and 98 at home, no problems whatsoever (except that 98 Mac is slow in Classic mode, but the OpenOffice solution - X11 - sounds like a massive pain). If someone inb the office bought a license for Office XP, I sure haven't bothered to take advantage of it.
sulli
RTFJ.
I've already switched to Abiword on Windows but now I need a good spreadsheet. Where can I download Gnumeric for Windows? I can't find the download link. BTW, Oo.org is too slow for me.
OSS Community: Create it yourself, lamer.
vs:
OSS Community: oh yes, no problem, we just spent the last 6 months working in our free time to make this software, let me just take a few days off work to do that for you.
Well, how about this instead:
OSS Community: Well, no, we don't have that feature at the moment, but if you've got a programmer with some free time, you can implement it yourself, along with any other feature that you'd like which we (or maybe even MS!) don't have.
Downmodding is the refuge of the weak. Don't downmod, make a better argument!
I tried version 1.0 and almost immediately switched to koffice (on linux). (At work, I tinkered with OO and AbiWord, but for the most part I have to stick with department standards, so I still have MS Word there.)
I recently installed the 1.1 beta, and it was dramatically better. Documents that choked 1.0 opened perfectly in 1.1. It even does a great job at handling PowerPoint presentations. (The main glitch I've noticed is it doesn't get the "path" correct when connecting two boxes with a connector line, but I imagine most simple presentations just have words and pictures.)
I love the Flash export for presentations and the PDF export for documents. No more having to print to a PS file and convert it, or install some PDF writer print driver. I also like the ODBC data interface, although I haven't yet figured out how to create a new datastore to add things to.
Aside from a few "cosmetic" issues (faster loading, more improved filters, etc.), the main thing they need to make OO a total MSOffice killer is an Access replacement, and possibly a Visio replacement. It would be nice if they could get enough developers to tackle the same kinds of projects as the KOffice team.
As the parent post says: even if you didn't like 1.0, give 1.1 a try. It is a vast improvement.
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Hypocrisy is the resin that holds the plywood of society together.
-- Scott Meyer
It really kicks ass. It is not related to emacs and its something like WYSIYUG TeX editor. Lightweight and prettier than MS word. IMHO, texmacs is the future in word processing.
They don't have some mystical right to demand features/upgrades just beacuse the software is open.
If end users don't have a right to usable software that allows them to get stuff done efficiently, effectively, and with a minimum of fuss, then perhaps OSS really doesn't have a right to be on any public sector machine that sits outside a server closet.
If OSS will not earn the right to be in the public sector, then we should demand that all the lobbying done by OSS people to immediately stop.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
I wish the native format of OO was DocBook XML. There are so many possibilities. And even the current implementation isnt too stable and complete.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
Want it faster? Well, there's only so much two guys can do. We just finished our first full Gold Master release just two weeks ago and man, we need a vacation!
Its installer will help a Mac X11 neophyte through the process of setting up an X11 environment. It's also got the Start OpenOffice.org project to allow you to launch it like a normal Mac application and do document associations (e.g. double clicking an OOo doc opens it up!).
Two native versions are in the works, NeoOffice (Cocoa) and NeoOffice/J (Java2D...only for UI, it's still 99% C++! It's the shoddy C++ that's slow, not Java!).
Because of political issues of submitting patches and difficulty modifying code owned by the gsl project, it's difficult to do this work within OpenOffice.org. We're also trying to take the project in directions that Sun doesn't want to take StarOffice, and OpenOffice.org really is just the StarOffice development team with its own motivations needed to keep their jobs...and helping a bunch of free software dudes isn't one of them. As sucn, there may unfortunately never be an official OpenOffice.org Aqua port with a true Mac UI.
We're working as hard as we can (c'mon, we're not paid!), and you should keep your pantyhose on. OpenOffice.org 1.1 Developer Preview for MacOS X shall be coming soon (e.g. we've had time to stop committing patches and make a really rough really untested binary). And also coming down the pike is another binary of NeoOffice/J with full Japanese support, both for input as well as localization!
It's an API with a GUI. It just happens to be packaged with an OS, but as shown when migrating from Win9x to Win2k and even Lindows, the underlying OS can be changed without much trouble.
The problem with printing under Linux is that there is no API to do it. Rendering something on screen does not mean that you can print it. Windows 3.1 had this figured out. In Linux you have to re-write everything so that it can be rendered in X and rendered again in Postscript (semantics about creating your own abstraction layers to generate the Postscript and X stuff aside).
Here's a spiffy article about it I just pulled out of Google. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6729
Middle-click copy and paste is to me, a pain in the ass. Select-to-copy is pretty bad as it wipes out your clipboard with the slip of your mouse. And accidentally clicking the middle button over a terminal window shouldn't give you a sinking feeling. It's kind of spiffy to be able to copy and paste with the mouse like that, but first, I can do all of that without the mouse in Windows, and second, I can't do any of that without the mouse in Linux.... and if I really wanted to, I could dig up some Logitech driver which would let me customize my middle button for copy and paste... but again, it wouldn't be any fun.
Can you select a region of a graphic in the Gimp and paste it into Open Office yet? How about Abiword? It might work for Gnumeric, and hey, who knows, maybe the next time I check out Linux on the Desktop, somebody will have figured out how to get different applications with different forms of data to speak to one another using common intermediate formats/methods like CGM or OLE (which both suck, but existed in Win3.1 and are far better than what Linux has).
As for sound, with ESD, if I hit the 'Stop' button on XMMS, I get a noticable lag waiting for the audio to stop. Disabling ESD corrects this. The best way to get sound working well under Linux is to find a card which will do the mixing in the driver. I never had that problem in Win3.1 either.
And I didn't say that Windows was great, just that the Linux desktop is in many important ways inferior to Windows 3.1
If you want to shoot down Win3.1, you can talk about the stability, GDI limitations and real-mode drivers.
C'mon man, people used other stuff ten years ago.
She didn't just pick up computers last year.
People act like computers and the internet
were invented with Windows 95 and Netscape.
For high school kids, I'll buy it. For everybody
else, c:\
...does this as well. It always tries to make you save stuff in its own .mix format, which hardly any other program can read or import.
I have a life. I really do. I've just chosen to ignore it.
"I didn't like the lack of flexability compared to raw latex."
You are aware that Lyx allows you to enter raw Latex code, don't you? Best of both worlds.
Hmmmm....
$400+ for MS Office which runs at a reasonable speed, or $0 for OpenOffice which runs slightly slower...hmmm i can't decide...oh yeah, and the potential for OpenOffice to get faster & better (smarter programmers and larger developing community) is much much higher than its counterpart MS Office.
i still can't decide...let's check how much cash is in my wallet......shoot only $5, guess you know what I'll choose.
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The ability to export to flash sounds great.
All we need now is a Access Database replacement with a non-techie end user style front end.
The importance of a Python bridge for UNO is that now individual parts of OpenOffice.org can be implemented in Python. While this is not likely (though it couldn't make OOo any slower...), the reverse direction is the most beneficial. Any Python program can now interact with a specific component of OOo, such as the Word filters, on a code level. In essence, you can now use Python to script OOo and also use parts of OOo in your own Python apps. This is good news for Python programmers.
You can read up more about UNO here.
Let's see some proof of this, no personal anecdotes, please. One example that proves you wrong would be those thousands of people who have requested Microsoft translate their software into Welsh, but Microsoft refused. According to your dimwitted theory, Microsoft would do it for free, but Microsoft hasn't. Luckily, with all open source software, they can do it themselves. Munich clearly made the right choice.
Meh. If you were really writing research papers, and were as computer-literate as you imply, you'd be using LaTeX and BibTeX: the real tools for the job.
Word processors are for writing letters to your grandma, not typing research papers.
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
Have you greased your Modem lately? Most of the latency you experience is because of rust.
While rust can cause problems, what few people realize is that tangled wires are the biggest problem. This is because the data is being transmitted via binary 1's and 0's. While the nice curved 0's flow nicely even through tangled wires, the 1's can get easily get jammed when going through tightly curved tangled wiring. These jam's can causing "net congestion". This is why computers don't use coiled wires like on your telephone handset.
I'm not a heavy enough user to have a totally valid opinion, but I think TeXmacs is a much less painful way to write LaTeX documents than LyX. Plus it saves to a .tex file, not a .lyx file.
For another thing, Gnumeric doesn't like viewing CSV data. Why? It's a simple, plaintext format that even gnuplot handles. I'd love to use Gnumeric instead of playing around with OO Calc or something else, but this fact combined with its barely customisable plotting means that I just use LaTeX and gnuplot w/ pslatex to produce charts and graphs for essays and statistics projects.
Note to M1-ers: a curt but otherwise insightful message is not "Flamebait" or "Troll".
I'm a bit pedantic, but reading comments seems to make this precision necessary : the title is misleading! RC means Release Candidate. It is not the final OpenOffice 1.1; it may be, but it also may not be.
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If open office was just 1% as bloated as its microsoft counterpart, it would be higly unlikely that RC1 == final release.
I have the 1.1 beta, and they STILL have not fixed the bug where you cannot merge more than one page of labels at a time. I still have to go back to Microsoft Office for that. If that was fixed, I'd be free of MS Office once and for all.
Have you contacted the project about their lack of a useful bibliographer? I mean, ranting on slashdot might get you a few pats on the back and some understanding, but do yourself (and us) a favor and rant to the folks who build the thing. God knows, they probably NEED your guidance in creating the most effective tool, and if you know what works (in terms of your research and experience) then you are a valuable resource. These guys are coders. You're a field guy. Your experience is extremely important to the project. So do the right thing and step up.
Secondly its annoying that it naggs you if you save in .doc format and tries to make you use its own proprietary format.
.doc is just a friendly reminder that You are in fact saving in a real proprietary format that noone but Microsoft has the specs to and that they can't guarantee that it'll look the same if You save in that format.
.haeger
The OO.o file format is standard XML zipped. You can look at the files if You unzip it. There is nothing proprietary about it.
The "nag" about saving in
But I agree with You that there should be some checkbox to turn that warning off.
You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. -- Harlan Ellison
Who cares about OpenOffice or any other "Word Processor" when you have LYX? I know, I know, all the pointy heads use Office, blah blah blah...but nevertheless... :-)
Um ... why is the Mac OS X version stuck at 1.0.3? There's not even been a 1.1 beta.
Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
It's strange that almost no one has mentioned Glow [openoffice.org]. As it is, Openoffice can't compete in a the small-medium office environment because of its lack of an integrated PIM/groupware client. Glow is what will make OO a real competitor to MSOffice, not faster startup times or an Access replacement.
...though they could use a new dictionary and thesaurus (both of theirs are easily the worst out there).
Death and danger are my various breads and various butters.
I know this isn't the place to do it, but I just want to yell at the top of my voice (here's hoping slashdot allows me)
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THANK YOU FOR DOCBOOK SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!#%#!@#%!@
ahh man now that feels better.
OOg is great but here are the problems I see:
.DOC). It screws up all the time. Conversely, importing MS Word files into OOg isn't that great either. The main issues so far seem to be bullets, layout, margins, and fonts.
.doc files).
1. This is probably the most serious problem at this point it time: compatibility with MS Office file format. Hate to say it but it isn't very good. I can't even create a resume in OOg (to be saved as
2. Screen refresh/redraw problems. Something is wrong with the graphic engine. At times you'll end up with redraw problems, half a dialog box still on the screen (after you close it), and so on. Not a big deal but it's good to get it fixed.
3. Performance. OOg is very slow compared to MS Office. I'm talking about load times and file opening/saving. It seems to be ok once it loads but until it is slow while loading.
hmm...I think that's about it. The primary concern is the file compatibility issue. Other than that, OOg is a pretty good alternative. Haven't tried the new version but if it has PDF output, it will great to those sending documents to external people (who don't use OOg--recall the file compatibility problems with
Someone said that OOg is one the key software that is responsible for the popularity of GNU/Linux. I agree. Without it, it would be very difficult go 100% Linux (which I'm pretty much doing right now).
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Actually, I've noticed a significant drop in the startup time of OOo since I swiched to ReiserFS for my / partition the other day. I don't know if the two things are related, but it's worth a thought.
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Is a 64-page proposal with snaked-columns and pictures and graphs, a paragraph???
On one hand, you've just showed that AbiWord isn't limited to writing small paragraphs.
On the other hand the fact that AbiWord doesn't do footnotes makes it useless for much scientific work. If you for some reason or another has to use Oxford notation for references you can't use AbiWord.