I wouldn't want to see Debian dumb down. What I would like to see is for there to be a question at the start of the installer asking you if you want the simplest install (think Corel Linux, just pick your partitions, give it a root password and choose server or workstation), an normal install which offers a normal degree of flexibility in an easy format and the traditional installer which lets you do whatever the hell you want in the nicest way they could get written in time for a release! I hope that the recent batch of distributions based on Debian (debian-jr, debian desktop and demudi, let alone the commercial options) will contribue heavily to the development of the new debian installer and bring about the sort of modular system that will allow this. In the meantime debian will remain that little bit above lowest common denominator software and as such will self-select a more technically literate userbase. The real strength of Debian however is the fact they they don't just make a distro, they port and package over 10,000 items of Free software so that others can build upon their work to provide tools to others OR they can tweak and control their own system as they require.
I'd guess it's very simple, if you are below a certain altitude (now I'm not sure what altitude this should be) you are going to be far more likely to crash if a problem occurs. If you are above a certain altitude the odds on the pilot being unable to recover the plane from a problem are far less. Obviously if the flight control system is completely shot the altitude makes no difference, but if it simply misbehaves until they figure out what is causing the problem than the more space you have before you die the better!
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Thanks for the link to the info. Also I never knew that any other distro had an installer to deal with this (unless you count shipping with partition magic which I wouldn't). My apologies to ASPLinux (who I never heard of) for giving away their credit.
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Disclaimer: I worked in Corel as part of their Linux Support Team
What is this distro really? And how does it compare to Corel Linux 1.2/Second Edition? What have they removed/replaced and what have they added? I have established the following so far:
CrossOver Office and Plugin are installed but the versions supplied are NOT supported by Codeweavers
Non-destructive (will you backup?) NTFS partition resizing is in as part of the install, and that I must say is a great innovation!
OpenOffice is present
It's basically Debian Woody at heart
It seems the Corel File Manager and Samba integration suite are still alive and kicking
The Corel X control panel seems to have gained multi-monitor support!
They've gained a switch user function like WinXP
Extended hardware autodetection including drivers for WinModems!
They've put back in a text installer!!!!! No more you can't install if your video card brings down the installation system.
Xfree86 4.2! Not the debian 4.1. I wonder if this is a homebrew or the test debian packages from X-Strike-Force (presume homebrew).
Right what has anyone else figured out, or even better does anyone out there have Corel Linux 1.2/SE AND Xandros 1.0 to compare and contrast? Some specific interesting (to me anyway) questions would be?
Can it play DVD's
Does it do anything to prevent you using official debian apt sources (libc or...)
If this is really "A system that is complete and functional as soon as you finish installing" does it still gracefully handle the power of dpkg/apt through XandrosUpdate?
What java suite do they use and how is it packaged and what licence is it under?
How compatible are their chat tools and will they remain so? Are they actively developing or contributing to their devopment or just hoping for the best?
I presume there are a million and one other questions I have forgotten as I wrote this but I'll sum it all up by saying:
I think Corel Linux was a great start to an OS project. I went far beyond anything any other Linux distro had done to reach out to the non-enthusiasts out there and offer them an alternative to Windows for their x86 computer. It wasn't perfect, it was a work in progress, and I hope that Xandros are actually able to take the ball and run with it as it had promise. The only things I question are the shift away from the home market, the lack of a Free CD and the inclusion of CrossOver Office which diminishes the impact of OpenOffice (Corel supplied a WP8 with their distro and let you choose the office tools you wanted on top of that, i.e. gnumeric or WPO2000 or StarOffice).
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Ok then, can you tell us how to configure our box to do this from a menu selection? Can you create a package for Debian which does it? Would you want to?
Seriously, is there anything stopping a distro (i.e. debian) from offering a *dm login screen and then offering the ability from within that session to spawn another login screen on another vt (too many anothers I know, sorry). Then within each session (desktop) a menu choice can appear which allows you to switch vt, with each user having the option of automagically running a screenlock when the session is switched out of, and that screensaver can have a password, and the option of displaying the current open sessions on the computer in a "form" which allows you to click onto your session, all without recourse to Ctrl+Alt+Fx which is obviously going to be far too complex for 90% of computer users?
I hate to say that this doesn't make much sense: from the Monster Manual
Bugbear
FREQUENCY: Uncommon (20% likelyhood of encounter in a region or area it is likely to inhabit)
NO. APPEARING: 6-36
NO. OF ATTACKS: 1
SPECIAL DEFENSES: Nil
INTELLIGENCE: Low to Avergae (low)
ALIGNMENT: Chaotic evil
SIZE: L (7'+ Tall)
They also live in loose bands, have a leader when in groups of over 12. They look clumsy but are able to move with great speed and stealth surprising their opponents 50% of the time! They live for about 75 years.
So the only aspects of our virus that appear to be shared with the AD&D monster is that they are surprising (50% of the time), chaotic, evil and have only a low level of intelligence! If it is named after this monster they goofed bigtime. May I suggest they do as I do and find that old photocopied version of the Monster Manual they still have lying around though they haven't looked at it for 12 Years!
Corel did violate the GPL! Check this out to see the/. story that covers the resolution or this to see the original/. story on the violation. They also had another problem which was not a GPL issue (I think) regarding limiting downloads to over 18s. Anyway Corel were far from perfect, but they rectified the Beta test issue in 4 days (according to Bruce P at one of the above links) so perhaps UL will fix this as quickly.
Even better would be a "standard" tool to create a rescue CD from/for a running system! So you install or significantly change your system (like install a new kernel) and run "mkrescuecd > rescue.iso" and then burn it. Better still if mkrescuecd has support for a few flags like
--net to add your network setup to the CD
--gnome to add your gnome desktop
--package packagename to add a specific package, it's config files and all dependecies
With a bit of work you could ensure that your rescue CD has everything you need to get on with your work on it so that as long as your data is intact (perhaps on another hard disk or a network server) you can survive quite catastrophic problems. Anyone know of anything like this or any projects looking into it? If not perhaps I'll start (and have pondered doing it for a while) to develop my own system for my debian boxes as a proof of concept to get the ball rolling.
My guess is the center got involved in the Information Town thing in Ennis or something similar. I can't imagine it only has a Hi-Speed connection and it certainly doesn't have I-Stream in that part of the country! All I can say is I'm there! Doolin (and the surrounding area) is absolutely beautiful and a fabulous place to drink copious amounts of beer! Especially when you can find lots of great local (and less local) musicians playing in the pubs every night. If anyone out there would like to go to an LBW aswell as seeing some of the famed Irish hospitality and lifestyle then this is the trip for you! Hope I see you all there!
Debian
Now if only Debian was the sort of corporate entity that would use this for it's own propaganda purposes! Maybe IBM will run a few ads of people viewing 9000x6750 streaming video on their Debian 7x7 (hmmm, 6x8 head G200 plus another G200!) xinerama display PC!
Network Associates are quite within their rights to stop people distributing their software unless they had specifically given those rights in an unrevocable way. Why is this a good thing?
Even more development should move to GPG as alternative options are required.
More people should become aware of the fragile basis of all proprietry software.
Network Associates will lose this business forever (they are killing PGP and that's fine by me).
More likely 'cause MS are the proven abusers of a monopoly position. Each of the others are big players but none have the power of Microsft (who are the only people I can think of that they gang up on!).
Well I would plan to do this by making the tax rate a log scale so that by the time you reach 1000 times the base level you are being taxed at 99.999%. In fact I would only "allow" people to earn up to 100 times the planetary average wage (yep you got to factor in all those chinese and african paupers) and I would be redistributing the taxation wealth based on "national" average wages so all you Americans would be forking out huge chunks of your money. Bet you that's popular with the capitalists here! (p.s. I'm Irish so I'd expect to become a lot poorer overnight also if this was enacted).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, someone file a class action law suit for child exploitation. Defendants should be the RIAA and MPAA (and probably all the TV Networks and maybe the radio networks aswell).
Every Game console launch I have ever cared about has had a more powerful graphics engine than the top consumer gaming PC card of the day. I don't expect this to drop with the PS3 so the question is how will it stack up against a GF5?
For how long have MS stopped someone else catching any of their market by spouting FUD about the future of their technology? Now Sony are just getting there own back and you know that people are (for now) going to be FAR more interested in the PS3 than the Xbox 2. The landscape of the games console has been littered with great ideas and doa launches, Sony are just playing on this to try and keep people out of the MS stable by reminding them of their current product line and the fact that we should expect a PS3 before a XB2 (and if an XB2 comes out first by more than a couple of days people will probably look at is as MS gouging in yet another market). Sony have this battle in the bag, the key is to make sure they don't blow it themselves and don't get caught by any surprises from MS. The real question for me is what damage will MS do to themselves in this battle or will they really find a way to take out Sony? (MS-Sony merger anyone?)
And at a recent "Body, Mind and Spirit" conference in Dublin Ireland there was a very clean looking stand with no indication as to who it was but they were obviously nice people offering "Free Stress Tests". A slightly closer inspection revelead that in fact this was the scienmoroligists and they justed wanted to plug people into the machine. I laughed and laughed and laughed and described my memories of scientoligists to my friends while standing at the edge of their stand. They liked that especially as all I could really remember was the outline of the OT III!
May I recommend Kim Stanley Robinsons Red/Blue/Green Mars Trilogy. Unfortunatley I can't find any links relating to the corporate intrigue found in these novel's and the picture the author paints of earth's near future but maybe you'll have more luck if you haven't read the books!
I bought an Archos Jukebox here in Ireland about 6 months ago and it came with a few crap songs on it so at least these guys wont fall foul of the levy, but I doubt anyone will anyway cause it's too easy to get around for mp3 players.
So it seems that Canal+ are alledging that NDS (which News Corp alledges operates independantly despite being 80$ owned by NC) cracked their smart cards and published the result online! Either something very sinister happened (but I can't see how this would benefit NC as it would simply provide digital TV service of the wrong kind to their potential customers also) or this is the act of one person (or a very small group) within NDS who were stupid enough to post the crack from a trackable IP. It would be nice to know more, anyone have any substantial links?
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I wouldn't want to see Debian dumb down. What I would like to see is for there to be a question at the start of the installer asking you if you want the simplest install (think Corel Linux, just pick your partitions, give it a root password and choose server or workstation), an normal install which offers a normal degree of flexibility in an easy format and the traditional installer which lets you do whatever the hell you want in the nicest way they could get written in time for a release! I hope that the recent batch of distributions based on Debian (debian-jr, debian desktop and demudi, let alone the commercial options) will contribue heavily to the development of the new debian installer and bring about the sort of modular system that will allow this. In the meantime debian will remain that little bit above lowest common denominator software and as such will self-select a more technically literate userbase. The real strength of Debian however is the fact they they don't just make a distro, they port and package over 10,000 items of Free software so that others can build upon their work to provide tools to others OR they can tweak and control their own system as they require.
I'd guess it's very simple, if you are below a certain altitude (now I'm not sure what altitude this should be) you are going to be far more likely to crash if a problem occurs. If you are above a certain altitude the odds on the pilot being unable to recover the plane from a problem are far less. Obviously if the flight control system is completely shot the altitude makes no difference, but if it simply misbehaves until they figure out what is causing the problem than the more space you have before you die the better!
Thanks for the link to the info. Also I never knew that any other distro had an installer to deal with this (unless you count shipping with partition magic which I wouldn't). My apologies to ASPLinux (who I never heard of) for giving away their credit.
What is this distro really? And how does it compare to Corel Linux 1.2/Second Edition? What have they removed/replaced and what have they added? I have established the following so far:
- CrossOver Office and Plugin are installed but the versions supplied are NOT supported by Codeweavers
- Non-destructive (will you backup?) NTFS partition resizing is in as part of the install, and that I must say is a great innovation!
- OpenOffice is present
- It's basically Debian Woody at heart
- It seems the Corel File Manager and Samba integration suite are still alive and kicking
- The Corel X control panel seems to have gained multi-monitor support!
- They've gained a switch user function like WinXP
- Extended hardware autodetection including drivers for WinModems!
- They've put back in a text installer!!!!! No more you can't install if your video card brings down the installation system.
- Xfree86 4.2! Not the debian 4.1. I wonder if this is a homebrew or the test debian packages from X-Strike-Force (presume homebrew).
Right what has anyone else figured out, or even better does anyone out there have Corel Linux 1.2/SE AND Xandros 1.0 to compare and contrast? Some specific interesting (to me anyway) questions would be?- Can it play DVD's
- Does it do anything to prevent you using official debian apt sources (libc or
...)
- If this is really "A system that is complete and functional as soon as you finish installing" does it still gracefully handle the power of dpkg/apt through XandrosUpdate?
- What java suite do they use and how is it packaged and what licence is it under?
- How compatible are their chat tools and will they remain so? Are they actively developing or contributing to their devopment or just hoping for the best?
I presume there are a million and one other questions I have forgotten as I wrote this but I'll sum it all up by saying:I think Corel Linux was a great start to an OS project. I went far beyond anything any other Linux distro had done to reach out to the non-enthusiasts out there and offer them an alternative to Windows for their x86 computer. It wasn't perfect, it was a work in progress, and I hope that Xandros are actually able to take the ball and run with it as it had promise. The only things I question are the shift away from the home market, the lack of a Free CD and the inclusion of CrossOver Office which diminishes the impact of OpenOffice (Corel supplied a WP8 with their distro and let you choose the office tools you wanted on top of that, i.e. gnumeric or WPO2000 or StarOffice).
Ok then, can you tell us how to configure our box to do this from a menu selection? Can you create a package for Debian which does it? Would you want to?
Seriously, is there anything stopping a distro (i.e. debian) from offering a *dm login screen and then offering the ability from within that session to spawn another login screen on another vt (too many anothers I know, sorry). Then within each session (desktop) a menu choice can appear which allows you to switch vt, with each user having the option of automagically running a screenlock when the session is switched out of, and that screensaver can have a password, and the option of displaying the current open sessions on the computer in a "form" which allows you to click onto your session, all without recourse to Ctrl+Alt+Fx which is obviously going to be far too complex for 90% of computer users?
Lots, it's /.'d!
Sometimes this site is just tooooo funny!
So the only aspects of our virus that appear to be shared with the AD&D monster is that they are surprising (50% of the time), chaotic, evil and have only a low level of intelligence! If it is named after this monster they goofed bigtime. May I suggest they do as I do and find that old photocopied version of the Monster Manual they still have lying around though they haven't looked at it for 12 Years!
Corel did violate the GPL! Check this out to see the /. story that covers the resolution or this to see the original /. story on the violation. They also had another problem which was not a GPL issue (I think) regarding limiting downloads to over 18s. Anyway Corel were far from perfect, but they rectified the Beta test issue in 4 days (according to Bruce P at one of the above links) so perhaps UL will fix this as quickly.
Why not just network your tivo and pull stuff off onto your high availability raid network storage device?
- --net to add your network setup to the CD
- --gnome to add your gnome desktop
- --package packagename to add a specific package, it's config files and all dependecies
With a bit of work you could ensure that your rescue CD has everything you need to get on with your work on it so that as long as your data is intact (perhaps on another hard disk or a network server) you can survive quite catastrophic problems. Anyone know of anything like this or any projects looking into it? If not perhaps I'll start (and have pondered doing it for a while) to develop my own system for my debian boxes as a proof of concept to get the ball rolling.My guess is the center got involved in the Information Town thing in Ennis or something similar. I can't imagine it only has a Hi-Speed connection and it certainly doesn't have I-Stream in that part of the country!
All I can say is I'm there! Doolin (and the surrounding area) is absolutely beautiful and a fabulous place to drink copious amounts of beer! Especially when you can find lots of great local (and less local) musicians playing in the pubs every night. If anyone out there would like to go to an LBW aswell as seeing some of the famed Irish hospitality and lifestyle then this is the trip for you! Hope I see you all there!
"We don't need no stinking compression" IBM
Debian
Now if only Debian was the sort of corporate entity that would use this for it's own propaganda purposes! Maybe IBM will run a few ads of people viewing 9000x6750 streaming video on their Debian 7x7 (hmmm, 6x8 head G200 plus another G200!) xinerama display PC!
Network Associates are quite within their rights to stop people distributing their software unless they had specifically given those rights in an unrevocable way. Why is this a good thing?
More likely 'cause MS are the proven abusers of a monopoly position. Each of the others are big players but none have the power of Microsft (who are the only people I can think of that they gang up on!).
Well I would plan to do this by making the tax rate a log scale so that by the time you reach 1000 times the base level you are being taxed at 99.999%. In fact I would only "allow" people to earn up to 100 times the planetary average wage (yep you got to factor in all those chinese and african paupers) and I would be redistributing the taxation wealth based on "national" average wages so all you Americans would be forking out huge chunks of your money. Bet you that's popular with the capitalists here! (p.s. I'm Irish so I'd expect to become a lot poorer overnight also if this was enacted).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, someone file a class action law suit for child exploitation. Defendants should be the RIAA and MPAA (and probably all the TV Networks and maybe the radio networks aswell).
Every Game console launch I have ever cared about has had a more powerful graphics engine than the top consumer gaming PC card of the day. I don't expect this to drop with the PS3 so the question is how will it stack up against a GF5?
US companies release the game over there, and then six months later we might get it. That's BS.
It's about time too!
For how long have MS stopped someone else catching any of their market by spouting FUD about the future of their technology? Now Sony are just getting there own back and you know that people are (for now) going to be FAR more interested in the PS3 than the Xbox 2. The landscape of the games console has been littered with great ideas and doa launches, Sony are just playing on this to try and keep people out of the MS stable by reminding them of their current product line and the fact that we should expect a PS3 before a XB2 (and if an XB2 comes out first by more than a couple of days people will probably look at is as MS gouging in yet another market). Sony have this battle in the bag, the key is to make sure they don't blow it themselves and don't get caught by any surprises from MS. The real question for me is what damage will MS do to themselves in this battle or will they really find a way to take out Sony? (MS-Sony merger anyone?)
And at a recent "Body, Mind and Spirit" conference in Dublin Ireland there was a very clean looking stand with no indication as to who it was but they were obviously nice people offering "Free Stress Tests". A slightly closer inspection revelead that in fact this was the scienmoroligists and they justed wanted to plug people into the machine. I laughed and laughed and laughed and described my memories of scientoligists to my friends while standing at the edge of their stand. They liked that especially as all I could really remember was the outline of the OT III!
May I recommend Kim Stanley Robinsons Red/Blue/Green Mars Trilogy. Unfortunatley I can't find any links relating to the corporate intrigue found in these novel's and the picture the author paints of earth's near future but maybe you'll have more luck if you haven't read the books!
I bought an Archos Jukebox here in Ireland about 6 months ago and it came with a few crap songs on it so at least these guys wont fall foul of the levy, but I doubt anyone will anyway cause it's too easy to get around for mp3 players.
So it seems that Canal+ are alledging that NDS (which News Corp alledges operates independantly despite being 80$ owned by NC) cracked their smart cards and published the result online! Either something very sinister happened (but I can't see how this would benefit NC as it would simply provide digital TV service of the wrong kind to their potential customers also) or this is the act of one person (or a very small group) within NDS who were stupid enough to post the crack from a trackable IP. It would be nice to know more, anyone have any substantial links?