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Slashback: Dilemma, Privacy, Chess

Slashback tonight with updates on Deep Fritz, the interaction of Microsoft service packs and privacy laws, and the view from the shuttle tank-cam, and a depressing update on the Nissan squatting case. Read on for the details.

Front-row seats. zer0vector writes "The previously mentioned camera that was attached to the external fuel tank on Atlantis gave some great shots of launch this afternoon on NASA TV. During the feed, it looked like the ejection of the solid rocket boosters damaged or obscured the camera, leading to a fuzzy image during the fuel tank separation stage."

SkyNet has not yet achieved consciousness. DrEnter writes "According to this Yahoo article, Vladimir Kramnik has defeated 'Deep Fritz' (apparently the world's most powerful chess computer) to take the lead, 2.5-0.5 (the first game was a draw). You can find out more details at the contest site."

Damned if you do, but also if you don't. cybaea writes "A recent article in InfoWorld argues that the latest Windows 2000 and Windows XP Service Packs may be illegal for health care providers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. To make matters worse, not installing the Service Packs may also be illegal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't ..."

Dad, please switch to a real operating system. It's still spreading. deego writes " An e-mail-borne computer virus that lets crackers control infected Windoze machines remotely continues to spread and constitutes the most severe attack this year. The worm, known as W32.Bugbear, or I-Worm.Tanatos, infects computers that use Microsoft's Windows operating systems. It was first spotted a week ago and has spread to dozens of countries. Article here."

Please sit down first. calib0r writes "CNN.com is running an article on the most recent events dealing with the nissan.com lawsuit. Salon.com ran an article about this a few months ago. More information can also be found here."

340 comments

  1. Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The problem that bugbear exploits was patched back in march. Only retards are susceptible

    1. Re:Bugbear by Psx29 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The problem that bugbear exploits was patched back in march. Only retards are susceptible

      That is a ridiculous statement! If you read through all the things listed maybe you would realise some people _can't_ install microsoft's patches because of there EULA requirements.

    2. Re:Bugbear by Zelet · · Score: 0

      ie... most Windows users.

      (I'm not a troll or flaimbait, I use windows, I patch windows)

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    3. Re:Bugbear by kbielefe · · Score: 1
      It is so complicated that it is very hard to automate.
      What's so hard about it? The following command line will install 99% of linux programs:

      tar -xzf filename.tar.gz && cd filename && ./configure && make && su -c 'make install'
      Do I even need to mention the even easier alternatives such as rpm and apt-get?

      I could add the functionality to mozilla to automatically install anything downloaded in a matter of an hour or so, but why take the security risk?

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    4. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It is intensely hard to install programs for Linux

      A program can be statically linked and then you don't have to worry about having correct libraries to run. If there is a difficulty installing it is because you have to be "root" to access most of the important directories. This is not to say that Linux has problems with general installations of programs, but this is a separate issue.

    5. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never had a dependancy problem, huh?

    6. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is intensely hard to install programs for Linux. It is so complicated that it is very hard to automate

      Your Troll sucked, you didn't equate Linux users to Music Thieves, Software Pirates, Communists or Terrorists. You are going to have to do better in the future.

    7. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then for 99% of a REAL operating systems programs...

      Double click.
      Yes.
      Next.
      Next.
      Next.

      wait...

      Next.
      Finnish.

    8. Re:Bugbear by kbielefe · · Score: 1
      Nope. And that's something considering I compiled my entire system (including XFree86, Gnome, and Xine) from source.

      Of course my definition of "problem" may be different from yours. If ./configure says clearly that I need a library and I can go to freshmeat or the application's website and download and install that library, I don't consider that to be a "problem".

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    9. Re:Bugbear by ajakk · · Score: 3, Funny

      And then for 99% of a REAL operating systems programs...

      Double click.
      Yes.
      Next.
      Next.
      Next.

      wait...

      Next.
      Finnish.


      So after clicking "Next" we turn into Linus? GREAT!

    10. Re:Bugbear by exhilaration · · Score: 1
      Linux does have one advantage though. It is intensely hard to install programs for Linux. It is so complicated that it is very hard to automate. And as long as users have to install viruses by hand, and download the correct libraries to get them to run, you can be sure that Linux users won't have to worry much about a Linux virus spreading like wildfire across the net.

      Ummm... sorry dude, but you you don't seem to have a clue about Linux. It is so complicated that it is very hard to automate. - actually, UNIX variants are insanely simple to automate, you really need some exposure to UNIX or Linux.

    11. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's amazing. I can start off Canadian, and end up Finnish? What is this real operating system program you speak of?

    12. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't sign my soul to the devil. I won't sign my soul to Microsoft. Patching be damned if I have to sign over my soul to do it.

    13. Re:Bugbear by kbielefe · · Score: 1
      Give me a couple hours with the nautilus source and it would be:

      Double-click
      Enter root password
      wait...
      done

      In fact, I'd be suprised if someone hasn't done so already.

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    14. Re:Bugbear by kbielefe · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with you on the automation point, as long as you understand shell programming. He does have a point though in the fact that you can't install a virus on linux just by reading an email. Even if the mail client allowed it, you would only be affecting your personal account, not the entire machine. As far as email viruses are concerned, I say long live difficult installation.

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    15. Re:Bugbear by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 2

      Automation is insanely simple, yes, but you try writing a script that will install something big without problems on all Linux platforms. You have the apt-get solution, which isn't a solution, because all you are really doing is limiting packages to old stuff. And you have the rpm solution which winds up being pretty complicated. If you have something better, there are quite a few distribution companies that would really like to hire you.

    16. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bullshit.

      plain and simple bullshit.

    17. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid that you didn't check the link in the sig.

    18. Re:Bugbear by kbielefe · · Score: 1
      If you stick to the programs that come on your distribution CDs, installation is extrememly easy. Just use the package manager and all of the dependencies are installed automatically. Distros nowadays can come on a DVD that contain almost every Linux program known to man.

      The main problem is that open source developers aren't as concerned about ease of installation as the distributors. Developers make it installable and the distributors make it easily installable.

      Personally, I think it works out perfectly. People who want and need a stable, easy to install, solution just wait for the next version of their favorite distro to come out. People who have the knowledge to compile and install software can use the bleeding edge, possibly unstable versions. Most commercial software for Linux (stuff that doesn't come on distro CDs) features installshield style installation programs and the ones that don't are aimed at developers anyway.

      My parents run Mandrake on their computer and couldn't care less if they have the latest minor increment of Mozilla or not. Give distributors the credit they deserve for doing what they do well -- resolving dependencies so we don't have to.

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    19. Re:Bugbear by M.+Silver · · Score: 2

      If a sizable part of the population need to use computers, there will always be a significant number of those who do stupid things from them

      You don't have to do "stupid" things anymore... "somewhat clueless" will suffice. I just got a faux bounce message, sent to the error address of one of the Phoenyx' mailing lists. Looks perfectly normal, except that it alleges that the bounced message is contained in the attachment. (Maybe it is, but so is Klez or a variant thereof, so I didn't look further.) Even if you "don't open attachments, even from people you know," I suspect that one might slip under the radar. It certainly got past someone somehow, unless I happen to be the lucky recipient of a first-gen distribution.

      (Of course, perhaps "running a computer without a virus checker" itself "stupid." In which case, some of us stupid people have still never gotten a virus.)

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    20. Re:Bugbear by langed · · Score: 2, Insightful
      dependency issues really only come into play from the distribution of binary-only packages, a la the .rpm or .deb.

      There is a nice and simple way around this, though; gcc has a -static flag that compiles required library functions into the binary, removing library dependencies.
      Thus, if you were designing a compiled-only, work-for-almost-all-linux-distros, you keep your binaries (relatively) small, and compile them statically.

      So--if you can find a good remote-root linux exploit that's rather common, write your virus and compile it with no machine optimizations, ELF binary format, stripped, and static. That should be sufficient to get your payload down to a few kb, if you're not being really extreme. (No optimizations because you don't want to limit yourself to a specfic processor--why target only a Pentium III or higher, when you could target the whole i386/ia64 architecture family? :)
      Disclaimer: I do not advocate virus-writing; nor do I, or have ever in the past, actually written malicious code. I am only stating that there's a workaround for dependency issues, even if you aren't gonna pass around the sources. (The virus reference is mostly to keep on topic.)

      But '-static' does still make for a larger binary.... This is where you can still shrink it down, though, by specifying that you originally compile your code using the -I/{path-to-library}/ form; use a smaller library, like uClib.

    21. Re:Bugbear by NumberSyx · · Score: 2

      As far as email viruses are concerned, I say long live difficult installation.

      I'm with you, if it takes a "Difficult Install" to maintain a virus free system, then I am there. Long Live the difficult install.

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    22. Re:Bugbear by damiam · · Score: 1

      What does apt-get have to do with "old stuff"? The Debian unstable and experimental repositories are some of the most current available. Besides, anyone can set up their own apt repository, and put whatever versions of whatever packages they want in it.

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    23. Re:Bugbear by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Nice troll! You even had me going until the last paragraph. :)

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    24. Re:Bugbear by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      If ./configure says clearly that I need a library and I can go to freshmeat or the application's website and download and install that library, I don't consider that to be a "problem".

      Reconsider your definition of "problem." What you're describing is most definitely a dependency problem. It's just that you're happy with solving dependency problems.

    25. Re:Bugbear by JordoCrouse · · Score: 1

      Great troll. How many of those words did you learn this week in Operating Systems class?

      dependency issues really only come into play from the distribution of binary-only packages, a la the .rpm or .deb.

      Of course, unless you want to build a package that depends on another library. You still need the object code from the library, regardless if you link it in now (static) or later (shared). Alas, dependancy problems still exist for everyone.

      So--if you can find a good remote-root linux exploit that's rather common, write your virus and compile it with no machine optimizations, ELF binary format, stripped, and static.

      Machine optimizations? When was the last time you built a virus with MMX instructions? Seriously now. But definately make sure that your virus is stripped - nobody wants those pesky debug statements around.

      use a smaller library, like uClib.

      I wonder how Erik Andersen would feel if he knew that there is a whole group of script kiddies ready to start compiling new viruses with the chewy goodness of Uclibc... :)

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    26. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Lots of things have gone to hell when they became too "easy". This ease means the ability to be grasped by a moron, rather than actually utility of use by a skilled user.
      Hence the number of morons on the Internet these days...it's so sad that I'm 21 and I can remember a time when if I went surfing randomly I would likely come across mostly pages of people smarter than I, whereas now it's a bunch of babbling "blogs" written by preteens who can't speak correctly and believe the world is all about consumerism and their junior high boyfriends.

    27. Re:Bugbear by kbielefe · · Score: 1

      Good point. Can't argue with that.

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    28. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the bug was fixed in March _2001_!

      So the remark on retards is true.

    29. Re:Bugbear by Isle · · Score: 1

      EULA's are not legally binding. At least not where I live, and even in the US they are surrounded by legal controvercy.

      Basically; don't read them, don't care.

    30. Re:Bugbear by Ryosen · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't change the fact that the latest service packs for XP and 2000 (and Windows Media Player) provide a back door for remote access by MS and any third parties that they decide to provide access to.

      Given their history, how secure do you suppose that service is going to be?

      I'll stick with NAV, thank you, which, amusingly enough, picked out Bugbear from an email sent to me this morning.

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    31. Re:Bugbear by slide-rule · · Score: 1

      Next.
      Finnish.


      It tricks users into switching to a Finnish language set? Neat-o...

    32. Re:Bugbear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Linux does have one advantage though. It is intensely hard to install programs for Linux. It is so complicated that it is very hard to automate. And as long as users have to install viruses by hand, and download the correct libraries to get them to run, you can be sure that Linux users won't have to worry much about a Linux virus spreading like wildfire across the net.


      Huh? You obviously don't use Linux enough to know what you are talking about. At first, I thought this post would be modded flamebait, but then I saw it was modded funny. Actually, both are true. It is so ignorant, it's funny. :)

    33. Re:Bugbear by alexo · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't change the fact that the latest service packs for XP and 2000 (and Windows Media Player) provide a back door for remote access by MS and any third parties that they decide to provide access to.

      Do they really?
      Or does the EULA just resrve the right to do so?

      There is a difference.

    34. Re:Bugbear by Ryosen · · Score: 1

      Good point, Alexo. There is a difference between allowing the vendor to install a remotely accessible service on your system and merely giving them permission to do so.

      Sort of like giving a person your permission to shoot you in the head. Just because you tell them it's alright to do so, doesn't necessarily mean that they will.

      If it's all the same to you, I would rather not give them the permission in the first place. Nor will I hand them the gun with which to do it.

      That said, I am not going to install their service packs and, thus, I am not going to give them the opportunity to install such services on my systems.

      Do they really install a back door? I'm not even going to allow the risk inherent in finding out.

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    35. Re:Bugbear by spitzak · · Score: 2
      Really stupid troll there, folks. If "installation" was why virus were hard to make for Linux, then Windows virii would use InstallShield or whatever. Obviously they don't.

      In reality the ability of a virus to install itself is about equal on both platforms and is trivial. The trick is to get to a position where the virus has the ability to do the installation. Supposedly this is harder on Linux than Windows and this is the real difference.

      Automatic update has it's good and bad points. Although it gets bug fixes installed, it also means a great deal more uniformity for the machines that makes virii easier to spread. It is also possible that a virus will disable it or hijack it for it's own purposes, thus leading people to believe they are in better shape than they really are. However these are minor, the big worry about automatic update is it really is a mechanism for MicroSoft (or Apple, or RedHat) to exert final control over your machine and absoutely should not be trusted by anybody. You should be able to easily turn it off, get a list of the updates, and be assurred they are not installed until you have confirmation from other sources that "update x.y.z is ok".

  2. Big surprise about Hipaa by Brento · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just about EVERYTHING is illegal under HIPAA. I've never seen such ridiculously stringent specs. If you want a good laugh, check out www.hipaacomply.com and read through the technology FAQ's. Even faxing is restricted.

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    1. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by unicron · · Score: 2

      Homer, have you ever actually sat down and read this thing? Technically we're not allowed to go to the bathroom.

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    2. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 1

      Rev. Lovejoy was actually speaking to Marge when he said that.

    3. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 2

      Not only is everything illegal under HIPAA, any technology you want to use in healthcare is antiquated.

      Suicide is looking better and better every day.

    4. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suicide is even illegal in most places these days. In some places, it's even a capital offense. Just go on a murderous rampage, it's more fun, and you still end up dead.

    5. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      That's why everyone is applying for whatever extensions they can, and they are almost all being allowed.

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    6. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by Arandir · · Score: 1

      Just about EVERYTHING is illegal under HIPAA.

      How could you determine that? My company has a whole team of lawyers trying to figure out HIPAA, to no effect. It's the most incomprehensible law I've seen next to the US Tax Code.

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    7. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by davidyorke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From HIPPAComply.com

      HIPAA & Common Sense

      If we followed HIPAA to the letter then the home health Service's van parked in my mom's driveway would likely be a "no-no." But, if we inject a dose of reality, which HIPAA left out, no one would know the exact services my mom would be receiving, hence there really would be no breach of privacy in relation to a diagnosis. Of course, maybe the Dept of Defense could develop stealth vans for home health agencies and then no one would ever see them and there would be no breach of HIPAA rules ....

      It's all about risk assessment and reasonable decisions. I don't think changing the van characteristics is something that would be high on list of issues in the risk analysis. On second thought, the stealth van approach may be applicable to this and other serious risks along the same line. There could be significant risk involved with the identification of ambulances, paramedic and rescue units, and even "Life Flight" helicopters. What if a neighbor of a person involved in an automobile accident drove by the accident scene, spotted both the neighbor's car and an identifiable ambulance parked nearby? What could happen if there was an emergency unit in a person's driveway and their neighbors inferred that there was a medical problem at their house? It becomes obvious under HIPAA that we can't possibly allow these types of transportation units to continue to display identifying signage, paint motif, or other equipment such as lights and siren that could create the risk of identifying a person or household as having a medical problem. Stealth emergency units would eliminate this risk. A stealth emergency unit would be devoid of all signage or identifying markings, including lights or siren. Also, emergency unit personnel would not be allowed to wear uniforms, emblems or badges that would identify them as medical personnel. What if someone saw his or her neighbor walk into a building that was clearly identified as a clinic or hospital? Obviously, we should also consider prohibiting signage for physician offices, clinics and hospitals, especially Emergency Rooms. Stealth medical facilities are the answer. (Posted 5/2/01)

    8. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by PD · · Score: 2

      Why not just live a good life, love your neighbor, and be productive and happy? You still end up dead. No need to go through the trouble of killing yourself if your goal is to end up dead.

    9. Re:Big surprise about Hipaa by jayratch · · Score: 1

      I said "wow, someone did a great job on this spoof site." This is the real thing?

      We'd better get rid of those big books that come from your HMO, people might be able to use them to create an internet database identifying the addresses of health care providers. But I'm glad we'll be doing away with lights and sirens, they're so damned annoying when I'm driving in traffic. Now I won't have to worry about them pesky ambulances skooting by all the traffic just by turning around traffic or going on the shoulder; now they'll get pulled over and delayed by the cops just like me! Thank you HIPAA, you've made life so much better.

      If I ever get sick or injured, I'm driving MYSELF to the hospital, that is, if I can still legally find its address.

  3. I have a dilemma by Burritos · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do I get privacy while playing chess on the internet while making sure I don't get the bugbear virus?

    1. Re:I have a dilemma by TotallyUseless · · Score: 4, Funny

      use a camera attached to the shuttle to look down and make sure no one is peeping in the windows of your house!

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    2. Re:I have a dilemma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get freenet, Freenet Message Board (which is available inside freenet) and something other then windows to run it all on. You can use FMB (freenet message board) to play chess with someone else with complete anonymity and privacy. You can also use the same for communicating with anyone in the same mannor.

  4. What a deal... by LaDanserie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kramnik gets $1,000,000 if he wins, $800,000 if he draws, and $600,000 if he loses. I knew I wasn't spending all that time on Yahoo! Chess for nothing...

    1. Re:What a deal... by unicron · · Score: 5, Funny

      The people behind Deep Fritz are paying him to go down in the 4th.

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    2. Re:What a deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In the fourth, my ass goes down..." Say it.

    3. Re:What a deal... by alexburke · · Score: 1

      I really got a chuckle out of that nice subtle reference. Keep up the good work. :)

    4. Re:What a deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont get it, chess joke?

    5. Re:What a deal... by targo · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is actually $1m-$700k-$500k.
      But the interesting fact is that for Fritz these numbers are $500k-$300k-$0(zero).
      I guess that even though computers are getting close to humans when playing chess, humans are still way better negotiators ;)

    6. Re:What a deal... by timeOday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is that a lot? Tyson got $17 million for losing.

    7. Re:What a deal... by keiferb · · Score: 1

      Losing, in Tyson's case, involved dealing with Don King for several months and then getting pummeled. Losing to a chess computer involves getting out of a (most likely) comfy chair, taking a bow, and waiting for the direct deposit.

      I'd say the gain is proportional.

    8. Re:What a deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I'm a geek, but given, say, 5 wishes, I would use one to be the best chess player ever. .... ya, I'm a geek.

    9. Re:What a deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not a chess joke, a pulp fiction reference

    10. Re:What a deal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why are all these replys by AC's?

    11. Re:What a deal... by mav[LAG] · · Score: 2

      Of course, he may feel a slight sting...

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    12. Re:What a deal... by nutshell42 · · Score: 2, Funny
      What do you expect?

      "Ok, Deep Fritz, here's the Deal Mr. Kramnik suggested, what's your opinion?"

      Deep Fritz: "e4 e5 2.Sf3 Sc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Sxd4 Lc5 5.Sxc6 Df6 6.Dd2 dxc6 7.Sc3 Se7 8.Df4 Le6 9.Dxf6 gxf6 10.Sa4 Lb4+ 11.c3 Ld6 12.Le3 b6 13.f4 0-0-0 14.Kf2 c5 15.c4 Sc6 16.Sc3 f5 17.e5 Lf8 18.b3 Sb4 19.a3 Sc2 20.Tc1 Sxe3 21.Kxe3 Lg7 22.Sd5 c6 23.Sf6 Lxf6 24.exf6 The8 25.Kf3 Td2 26.h3 Ld7 27.g3 Te6 28.Tb1 Txf6 29.Le2 Te6 30.The1 Kc7 31.Lf1 b5 32.Tec1 Kb6 33.b4 cxb4 34.axb4 Te4 35.Td1 Txd1 36.Txd1 Le6 37.Ld3 Td4 38.Le2 Txd1 39.c5+ Kb7 40.Lxd1 a5 41.bxa5 Ka6 42.Ke3 Kxa5 43.Kd4 b4 44.g4 fxg4 45.hxg4 b3 46.Kc3 Ka4 47.Kb2 f6 48.Lf3 Kb5 49.g5 f5 50.Kc3 Kxc5 51.Le2 0-1"

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    13. Re:What a deal... by zbuffered · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that Don King probably gets 15 million of that 17 million...

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    14. Re:What a deal... by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 1

      That's pride, fuckin' with you.

  5. Chess by MutantEnemy · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's laughable to say that Deep Fritz is the strongest computer programme - Deep Blue (that defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million. Deep Blue was running on an IBM-made supercomputer. Fritz isn't.

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    1. Re:Chess by cbv · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yea, that's why Fritz won the Computer Chess World Championship in 1995 against Deep Blue. SCNR.

    2. Re:Chess by MutantEnemy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Deep Blue that Fritz beat was an earlier model than the one that took on Kasparov later, wasn't it? (not sure, so I'm asking)

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    3. Re:Chess by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First off, I believe Deep Fritz has beaten Deep Blue head to head.

      Second, the program and the computer it runs on are two different things even if they are closely tied together. In fact, I'm kinda surprised Deep Fritz doesn't run on a more powerful computer. I would imagine that if it scaled well to 8 processors they would at least be able to scale to 16 or 32.

    4. Re:Chess by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Funny
      It's laughable to say that Deep Fritz is the strongest computer programme - Deep Blue (that defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million. Deep Blue was running on an IBM-made supercomputer. Fritz isn't.

      Deep Blue has been broken up and sold off in bits. It was not so much a computer as a temporary assembly of parts. So Deep Fritz would be the strongest living chess computer. After all we don't expect Kasparov to beat dead grandmasters.

      I think that it is time to introduce weight categories like they have in boxing. So neither competitor would be allowed to weigh more than 1000 pounds. Otherwise the game is a bit like watching an industrial robot beat the crap out of Mike Tyson, OK so it might be fun to watch but it is not real sport.

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    5. Re:Chess by Jouster · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Deep Blue (that defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million.
      Let's run with your comparison of computing power based solely on number of evaluated positions per move.

      If evaluating a chess position takes 150 units of processor time, and eliminating a position from consideration takes 1 unit of processor time, we shouldn't prune the decision tree at all! Never mind that as we get a little above a dozen moves into the future, we are considering (and tracking in some sort of memory) more moves than there are molecules in the universe. Posh! All that matters is the number of moves evaluated.

      Also:
      1. Kramnik defeated Kasparov.
      2. A supercomputer from ten years ago is compressed into a $2,000 box under my desk as I type this.

      Jouster
    6. Re:Chess by Kragg · · Score: 1

      From webacronyms.com:

      Your search for scnr did not return any results ...huh?

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    7. Re:Chess by Espectr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It won because the chess algoritms on Deep Fritz are a lot better than the ones on Deep Blue

      What use will 200 millon moves per second give if mostly they are wrong or repeated?

    8. Re:Chess by _LFTL_ · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's laughable to say that Deep Fritz is the strongest computer programme

      Hrmm... I guess you should be laughing at Kramnik then. From the article:

      "Deep Fritz is simply a stronger program than Deep Blue" - Vladimir Kramnik

    9. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      slashdot-posters chess-computer knowledge does not rox0r.

    10. Re:Chess by MutantEnemy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hmm, and why would the person who's about to play Deep Fritz want to claim that Deep Fritz is really strong? :)

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    11. Re:Chess by Kragg · · Score: 1

      The scary thing is you're probably right.

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    12. Re:Chess by laxian · · Score: 3, Informative
      Sorry, Could Not Resist

      ALWAYS check Everything2 first! :)

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    13. Re:Chess by Randall+Shane · · Score: 1

      The machine that Fritz beat wasn't the Deep Blue that Kasparov played -- it was a version or two before that. Far fewer processors, for one thing, and earlier versions of the special chess processors.

    14. Re:Chess by Randall+Shane · · Score: 1

      Got any proof of that? Proof either way is hard to come by -- being a commercial closed-source program, the makers of Fritz don't publish anything, and most of the internals of Deep Blue (such as it's evaluation terms) are still covered by NDAs with IBM.

      Of course, "Deep Fritz" didn't exist in 1995. It was plain old single-processor Fritz. Deep Blue wasn't around then either -- a version of Deep Thought was enetered, an early predecessor of Deep Blue and Deep Blue II.

      While it's likely that there was some wasted nodes in those 200 million nps (some loss of efficiency is expected in multi-processor game tree search algorithms), given the fact that Deep Blue II beat Gary Kasparov, it's unlikely that many "wrong" moves were encountered.

    15. Re:Chess by damiam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So? Kramnik can only evaluate three moves per second, and he's kicking Fritz's ass. Moves per second has very little to do with how good a player is.

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    16. Re:Chess by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Otherwise the game is a bit like watching an industrial robot beat the crap out of Mike Tyson, OK so it might be fun to watch but it is not real sport.

      I think you'll find the robot's name was Lennox Lewis...

    17. Re:Chess by galaxy300 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if a computer has ever been programmed with *only* one grandmaster's moves -- in effect, trying to replicate the way one specific (possibly dead?) grandmaster might play. Not very useful when trying to beat Kasparov, but interesting to see just how closely a computer could mimic the specific style of a single player.

    18. Re:Chess by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 1
      Otherwise the game is a bit like watching an industrial robot beat the crap out of Mike Tyson, OK so it might be fun to watch but it is not real sport.
      Nice post.

      Consider, also, what fun it would be to watch Tyson fight the industrial robot if Tyson were allowed to have bio-mechanical augmentations implanted (or, more likely, encasing or replacing limbs).

      Not only would it be fun to see the match-up of man-machine vs. machine, but it would at once revive a formerly brilliant boxing career unfairly reduced by the inevitable dulling of the years. And not merely Tyson's: any great fighter could come back, even Ali. Why should the long fight end just when the fighter has amassed such enduring familiarity with the circumnavigation of pain? Think of the gargantuan clashes to be waged in the ManBot Leagues; think of Don King with an eight foot high bionic hairdo!

    19. Re:Chess by aminorex · · Score: 2

      Okay, so Blue beats a grandmaster, Fritz beats Blue,
      and a grandmaster beats Fritz. Why does this remind
      me more of paper-scissors-rock than chess.

      Clearly, mastery in chess has more than one-dimension.

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    20. Re:Chess by evilviper · · Score: 2
      A supercomputer from ten years ago is compressed into a $2,000 box under my desk as I type this.

      In that case, a hi-end Ford car from about 15 years ago, is compressed into a (about) 2' x 2' cube, sitting under my workbench. I'd say it's worth a lot less than $2,000 at this point... :-)
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    21. Re:Chess by GnomeKing · · Score: 1

      It's laughable to say that Deep Fritz is the strongest computer programme - Deep Blue (that defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million. Deep Blue was running on an IBM-made supercomputer. Fritz isn't.

      Was the machine at bletchley park which helped break enigma so effective because of the codes-per-second it could try?

      Nope, it was so effective because of the huge number of codes that it could eliminate

      surely moves-per-second means less than good-moves-per-second

      Sacrificing your queen and your rook in the first few moves of a game is clearly a bad strategy, so why waste millions of checks to see if you can win at the end?

    22. Re:Chess by nutshell42 · · Score: 1
      I think it's possible that Deep Fritz now is better than Deep Blue then but the really important thing - as somebody already mentioned above (as joke though)- Kramnik is better at negotiating

      Kasparov had some things working against him, most were his fault:

      The most important thing is that he couldn't train against Deep Blue, Kramnik could simply buy the single processor version of Fritz. Second it's doubtful whether Kasparov took Deep Blue seriously. And last but not least Kramnik has a more rational approch to Chess, he wants to win against his opponent, Kasparov wants to crush his opponents humiliate them which doesn't work against a machine.

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    23. Re:Chess by Flakeloaf · · Score: 1

      Funny, I see it as more of a pokemon match. "Let's see, IBM is a blue type, so that means Kasparov should use a yellow offence. Wait, what's this?"

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    24. Re:Chess by Scarblac · · Score: 2

      Deep Blue (that defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million.

      But DB did that on processors that didn't communicate with each other.Many transpositions occur when you build a tree of moves from some position (say, 1.e4 e6 2.d4 and 1.d4 e6 2.e4 are the same position). DF calculates such positions only once because the results are cached, DB didn't. It's quite possible that DF actually looks at more *distinct* positions, and it's certainly the stronger program.

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    25. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So? Kramnik can only evaluate three moves per second, and he's kicking Fritz's ass

      He's been practising against computers, that's why he's doing well, compared to kasparov, who practised against humans.

    26. Re:Chess by Peter+Harris · · Score: 2

      If there's any sport that couldn't be improved by the introduction of powered armour, I've certainly never heard of it.

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    27. Re:Chess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last thing any sane person would want would be for that psychopath Tyson to have an augmented body. He's dangerous enough to the public at large as it is.

    28. Re:Chess by zbuffered · · Score: 2

      If there's any sport that couldn't be improved by the introduction of powered armour, I've certainly never heard of it.

      Chess.

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    29. Re:Chess by arangir · · Score: 1

      The one mentioned in the subject?

    30. Re:Chess by Peter+Harris · · Score: 2

      I stand by my assertion.
      a) I'm not sure that chess is a sport as such.
      b) Powered armour would facilitate chess played with much larger chesspieces, which could be removed from the board in more interesting ways:
      B - C6
      N x B (gauss cannon)

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    31. Re:Chess by tony_gardner · · Score: 2

      Here's an interesting piece of math.
      Take the worst case:
      You have 32 pieces, therefore, at each move there are 32 factorial board arrangements.
      =2.6e35 positions
      Assume 50 moves
      =1.32e37 positions

      How do you get out of this more moves than molecules in the universe?

    32. Re:Chess by gmarceau · · Score: 2

      Kramnik can only evaluate three moves per second

      The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim. -- E. W. Dijkstra

      Kramnik doesn't evaluate per say, just as much as Fritz doesn't think per say. It doesn't prevent either from playing terrific chess.

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    33. Re:Chess by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      > It's laughable to say that Deep Fritz is the
      > strongest computer programme - Deep Blue (that
      > defeated Kasparov) evaluated 200 million positions
      > per second compared to Deep Fritz's 3-4 million.
      > Deep Blue was running on an IBM-made
      > supercomputer. Fritz isn't.

      Um.

      1) Deep Fritz is software. Deep Blue is hardware. Therefore, even if Deep Blue were better than Deep Fritz, Deep Fritz would still be the better *program*. Howver:
      2) Deep Fritz beat Deep Blue. Oh, and:
      3) Deep Fritz runs on differing hardware. Therefore, it does not have a guaranteed position analysis rate. Also,
      4) Position Analysis is about as important to chess playing prowess as megahertz is to computer speed: it's one of a set of interlinked and useless-when-seperated metrics which shouldn't be being used by people who don't understand tree culling, look forwards, et cetera.

      Also, Deep Fritz holds the world's computer chess playing title, so regardless, it /is/ the world's strongest piece of chess software. I believe, not sure, that it took the title from Blender.

      Please look into what you attempt to correct, on the off chance that the people who brought it to your attention know more about it than you do.

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    34. Re:Chess by Jouster · · Score: 2

      Continuing worst-case analysis, since I can't find the @&#* study that I got that number from:

      301 309 179 332 784 502 514 402 979 667 664 187 135 209 603 582 101 168 009 310 992 942 894 084 306 464 257 791 616 978 959 106 972 094 262 188 212 773 093 369 530 542 149 391 004 619 850 600 361 748 231 525 303 460 046 359 965 848 444 199 182 910 992 606 341 732 440 164 322 812 685 599 534 024 221 380 481 129 796 699 004 750 048 273 820 205 189 760 193 429 828 216 852 565 547 604 736 092 945 728 634 190 578 916 707 383 762 344 226 233 484 010 864 437 423 856 116 262 707 775 428 410 543 760 846 938 904 699 475 747 547 018 680 832 993 653 094 083 560 424 110 322 766 842 835 610 593 379 503 862 907 149 961 854 609 978 717 105 133 754 689 778 685 461 329 310 211 164 710 919 378 704 376 259 432 981 026 128 485 975 726 968 323 480 663 879 683 934 701 739 205 516 241 031 667 406 900 490 027 371 337 495 052 713 573 432 107 976 896 624 167 911 517 979 837 592 089 713 663 627 864 723 420 042 025 774 603 599 380 227 979 966 161 285 169 468 512 543 061 521 124 126 177 323 748 065 758 540 663 066 465 807 710 896 888 554 614 609 594 468 809 141 607 811 005 667 025 531 818 524 822 642 248 378 499 713 906 607 388 108 655 297 165 860 023 709 531 633 461 883 503 498 775 369 674 168 489 844 409 684 233 291 501 724 043 451 626 905 261 447 673 050 442 927 250 617 330 053 333 829 119 589 665 043 154 882 951 246 692 722 413 908 612 462 764 173 991 672 239 844 325 170 643 318 870 523 845 275 584 280 787 345 002 522 223 705 055 368 269 339 660 642 759 466 085 467 866 512 923 830 294 486 907 655 039 386 052 776 495 092 364 814 458 732 171 495 855 099 804 218 199 017 847 361 861 678 678 057 529 525 946 083 708 354 943 571 175 795 505 710 095 129 868 355 714 917 481 880 167 154 011 897 600 197 698 978 535 270 982 605 472 006 399 676 826 454 764 526 485 420 159 836 031 075 007 631 299 901 689 846 853 456 839 037 376 795 144 518 318 392 839 847 672 107 236 742 191 541 158 599 866 682 552 742 148 352 786 432 934 420 857 117 526 825 346 836 053 559 224 478 051 682 055 142 736 894 489 695 507 208 886 793 667 089 662 308 570 531 352 907 811 991 606 811 750 577 517 315 195 569 967 634 813 657 530 004 965 228 950 266 336 348 007 603 102 536 250 535 352 161 170 075 192 296 079 832 594 649 213 812 028 102 029 368 277 369 549 430 955 424 533 245 540 712 754 733 395 491 762 051 682 288 675 650 050 568 616 199 593 550 172 026 716 618 684 212 236 139 111 921 945 401 096 108 814 452 817 419 124 938 644 975 023 737 395 175 628 125 389 825 693 380 207 047 954 085 500 033 420 861 629 158 668 101 520 517 686 387 734 434 962 779 730 530 380 445 209 878 579 861 194 226 288 290 924 601 337 478 704 726 441 724 740 888 485 405 065 411 293 267 073 686 539 579 142 297 006 319 066 281 477 423 676 922 127 969 923 002 034 073 666 763 609 249 393 925 890 638 380 505 659 148 181 279 064 505 323 116 159 207 083 998 158 054 093 929 378 763 975 832 501 997 431 216 726 253 339 758 838 495 252 180 496 597 586 171 312 182 740 674 110 868 168 678 451 408 485 838 468 115 009 610 651 659 771 475 099 132 249 199 764 007 736 703 027 798 803 650 984 958 534 615 040 followed by 342 zeroes after fifty moves. Here's why:

      64 board positions. One of 32 pieces on each. Thus, 64(P)32, or
      64!
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      32!
      Equals: 482 219 923 991 114 978 843 459 072 919 892 677 776 312 893 440 000 000
      or 4.821 992 399 111 497 884 345 907 291 989 267 777 631 289 344 * 10^53

      Since we know the starting position, that means that, after 50 completely random rearrangements of the pieces, we have (x)^49 possible board positions, where x is the number computed above.

      The number of molecules is the universe is generally accepted to hover somewhere around a google (10^100).

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  6. Great... english is the only language in the world by pVoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the Nissan case:

    But Uzi Nissan, whose family name is also the name of a month in Hebrew and Arabic[...]

    "We've always seen this case as protecting the Nissan brand and not about money," he said. "What we are saying is the word Nissan by itself is our registered trademark and we're the only ones with the right to use the name Nissan by itself."

  7. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by beebware · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It gets better - Nissan Motor has registered the domain name nissancomputer.com which they'll "give" to Nissan Computers if Nissan Motor get given the nissan.com domain name. Now, if they've brought nissancomputer.com with the express purpose of squatting on it for exchange of monies, services or goods (for example, a domain name) - surley that's a blatant case of cybersquatting by Nissan Motor?

  8. Why not run Deep Fritz on 400 machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Have each machine analyze a different two-ply scenario, and play the min-max move. Granted, this only scales "linearly" (as opposed as the holy grail of parallelizing the alpha-beta search algorithm) but a one move deeper search could be enough to trounce Kramnik.

  9. Nissan vs. Nissan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Nissan Motors wanted to have an exclusive name, they should have made one up.

    They took an existing word (in 2 languages, nonetheless) which also happens to be a surname. Now, they can't expect exclusive rights over that name.

    1. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe the judge will rule to have his family name changed as well

    2. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by chris_mahan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly.

      I start a line of cosmetics called June.

      I then make tons of money because my stuff makes old women feel young.

      I then say:
      Oh, now I am famous, and I ought to be able to use
      june.com exclusively because any other use would dilute my brand.

      And, oh, by the way, all women named June need to pay me royalties.

      And, The Month of June will be renamed in the english language as "The Month formerly known as June".

      Nissan is being fucking ridiculous... If they want a unique name that no one else in the world has, why don't they get a catchy IP address?

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    3. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by sulli · · Score: 5, Informative
      In Japanese, it means "Made in Japan." Other Japanese companies (e.g. Nissan Stainless) also use the name.

      Now it's not the same word as that used on other products to mean "Made in Japan" (that word is kokusan, "made in our nation") but it is definitely somewhat generic.

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    4. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, they should have just stuck with DATSUN!

    5. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by jodo · · Score: 1

      I was denied a trademark for a made up word that was a "cute" derivative of a real word. The trademark office's reasoning was that I could claim "ownership" of that common word. The word was gadget. I was denied Gadgette's.
      So if nissan is actually a common word then perhaps Nissan has (or should have) an invalid trademark. Certainly not one that should apply beyond automotive.
      Of course if I had had more money for more lawyers...

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    6. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by Havokmon · · Score: 2
      Nont only is Nissan somewhat generic in Japanese, but the article says Mr. Nissan has used his name for businesses for the past 20 years.

      Anyone remember what year Datsun changed to Nissan "because we liked the car so much, we named the company after it"?

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    7. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by Nevyn · · Score: 1
      Nissan is being fucking ridiculous... If they want a unique name that no one else in the world has, why don't they get a catchy IP address?
      In other news, nissan has changed their name to 127.0.0.1
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    8. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by milobloom-ab · · Score: 1

      Panagopoulos Pizza did exactly this in Canada - they changed their name to Panago so that they could register it as a trademark, since Panagopoulos is apparently a family name.

    9. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by sulli · · Score: 1

      It was around 1983 or so. The name "Datsun" was only used in North America, and so they changed it to Nissan to match the name used around the world. Sales dropped rapidly as the new name didn't have the same recognition as the old (remember the old Datsun 240Z) and it took some years to recover from this decision.

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    10. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by armb · · Score: 2

      > The name "Datsun" was only used in North America

      They were sold in the UK as Datsuns too (hence the old "raining Datsun cogs" joke). I don't know about the rest of Europe.

      Similarly Mitsubishi used to use the Colt brand.
      Fuji Heavy Industries still use Subaru.

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    11. Re:Nissan vs. Nissan by patrikr · · Score: 1

      I remember Datsuns in Finland too in the early 80s...

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  10. Deep Fritz by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While this isn't man vs machine as the casual observer may think, but chess playing man vs programming man, how long until programming man is able to win soundly all the time? I don't mean to offend the chess players out there, but I find it very hard to believe that the advances in both processing power and programming knowledge will eventually catch up to chess knowledge. According to Moore's law processing powers is doubling every 18 months, and I would venture that programming knowledge of AI's is progressing faster than chess knowledge given the youth of the former's frield and the extensive history of the latter's.

    That said, even while as a programmer I'm somewhat rooting for Deep Fritz, as a fellow man I can't help but be in awe of the fact that Kramnik is able to think better than a machine that "thinks" millions of times faster than him.

    1. Re:Deep Fritz by egomaniac · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That said, even while as a programmer I'm somewhat rooting for Deep Fritz, as a fellow man I can't help but be in awe of the fact that Kramnik is able to think better than a machine that "thinks" millions of times faster than him.

      Why? I can, for instance, look at a picture of my wife and identify her as my wife in a fraction of a second. The best image-recognition software in the world can't reliably do even that simple task.

      I'm not the least bit surprised to see a human beating a computer in a complex activity like chess, and that's with lots of handicaps in Fritz' favor (it doesn't have to analyze an image of the board in order to determine where the pieces are, for instance). The amazing part is not the human beating the computer, but the computer beating the human (which won't happen in this case, but it's getting close).

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    2. Re:Deep Fritz by quitcherbitchen · · Score: 1

      I'm not the least bit surprised to see a human beating a computer in a complex activity like chess, and that's with lots of handicaps in Fritz' favor (it doesn't have to analyze an image of the board in order to determine where the pieces are, for instance).

      I wouldn't call them handicaps. The way computers play chess and humans play chess is apples and oranges. Looking at the board and analyzing the picture is part of the cognitive process, while Fritz just needs to feed data to an algorithm. One true handicap is fatigue. This was something Kasparov faced against Deep Blue a few years ago.

      But it certainly is amazing that we can do things computers find impossible, while computers can do things that would take us until the sun burnt out. Personally I think that makes contests like this far more interesting.

    3. Re:Deep Fritz by piscine2000 · · Score: 1
      Deep Fritz is more sophisticated software than Deep Blue. When a brute force search is taken to a sufficient depth, the machine will by & large play a reasonable positional game. Deep Fritz is accomplishing more or less the same thing with a slower machine & "smart" pruning of the tree of variations.

      Brute force has its limits, however. In all three games, Kramnik has taken advantage of Deep Fritz's inability to make general long-range plans (e.g., identifying a pawn structure weakness and planning to exploit it in the endgame by exchanging every piece except the one best suited to wreaking havoc). The draw in game 1 was perhaps the most striking example of this: Kramnik sacrificed a pawn to create a fortress draw.

      A computer may be able to consistently beat the World Champion in the near future, but the top humans will still be able to win a significant share of games against computers until programmers do a better job of programming "fuzzy" thinking.

      Whoever prepared the opening book for Deep Fritz did a lousy job: the Berlin Defense, Queen's Gambit Accepted, and the 5.Nxc6 line of the Scotch _all_ play into Kramnik's strength and the general strategic weakness of computer programs.

    4. Re:Deep Fritz by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 2

      Moore's law states that the number of transistors on a chip doubles every 18 months, not the processing power.

      An increase in the number of transistors does not equate the same increase in processing power.

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    5. Re:Deep Fritz by Alomex · · Score: 2

      While this isn't man vs machine as the casual observer may think, but chess playing man vs programming man,

      Daily affirmations by Stuart Smiley....

    6. Re:Deep Fritz by DEBEDb · · Score: 2

      This is, in fact, man vs. machine. If this
      is a chess player vs a programmer, then
      it's the same as an engineer who designed
      a crane vs world champion weightlifter. Come on.

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    7. Re:Deep Fritz by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 2

      Why? I can, for instance, look at a picture of my wife and identify her as my wife in a fraction of a second. The best image-recognition software in the world can't reliably do even that simple task.

      Why? There are so many different things computers can do better than us, just as there are so many things that we can do better. I thought that by now computers would be able to win at chess merely by going deep enough through all potential trees to find the most advantageous move combination.

      Or maybe it's all just because GNU Chess always kicks my ass, heh.

    8. Re:Deep Fritz by mikec · · Score: 2

      What's impressive to me is that Kramnik is beating Fritz quite handily (2.5-0.5 at the moment) at a task for which Fritz is immensely better than the average human. Comparing Fritz to the average chess player is like comparing a Formula One race car to the average horse. (Imagine if there were a few dozen horses in the world who could run 250 mph.)

    9. Re:Deep Fritz by tpengster · · Score: 1

      Processing power has very little effect here due to the combinatorial complexity of search. In chess a one thousand-fold increase in computing power would only allow us to search 2 levels deeper.

    10. Re:Deep Fritz by God!+Awful · · Score: 2


      I'm not the least bit surprised to see a human beating a computer in a complex activity like chess, and that's with lots of handicaps in Fritz' favor (it doesn't have to analyze an image of the board in order to determine where the pieces are, for instance).

      Oh come on... it would take a relatively simple image recognition system to recognize the layout of pieces on a board. Designing a robotic arm to move the pieces would me a much bigger challenge.

      Face it, the absolute biggest advantage is the fact that Kramnik got a copy of Fritz to play with and Fritz doesn't have a copy of Kramnik to play with. With a computer, you don't just have access to your opponent's playing style; you can keep trying minor variations of the same line until you find one where the computer consistently makes a mistake (I wonder how much randomness there is in Fritz's move selection algorithm). I wonder if the unusual choice of openings was an attempt to avoid lines that Kramnik might have prepared for in this manner.

      -a

    11. Re:Deep Fritz by hosebee · · Score: 1

      Chess programming has long since diverged from AI research and application. The three things that drive computer chess engines at the moment are (a) computing power, (b) clever hacks like rotated bitboards and (c) extensive opening databases. Remember, if the branching factor of the tree is 3 (which is really quite good for a chess engine), it will take 3 times the "computing power" to reach one more ply. The opening database tends to have a much greater effect than either a or b. And is the reason many criticize these matchups, saying things like, "Well, computers win because of their huge opening databases, with pre-computed scores, but they can't really outplay the human opponent."

      A much more interesting and level playing field is Fischer Random Chess, which effectively renders opening books reverse obsolescent (with a large time scale).

      It's also a fun variant that doesn't require a paradigm shift in thought to play.

    12. Re:Deep Fritz by datalife · · Score: 1

      Face it, the absolute biggest advantage is the fact that Kramnik got a copy of Fritz to play with and Fritz doesn't have a copy of Kramnik to play with. With a computer, you don't just have access to your opponent's playing style; you can keep trying minor variations of the same line until you find one where the computer consistently makes a mistake (I wonder how much randomness there is in Fritz's move selection algorithm). I wonder if the unusual choice of openings was an attempt to avoid lines that Kramnik might have prepared for in this manner.

      But that's how the GMs play the game.
      Your reviewing every game of your opponent before starting the match.
      Fritz database has every game of Kramnik stored and the copy of Fritz that Kramnik had, is not the same as in the Bahrain-Match. The were allowed to change the opening-database.

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    13. Re:Deep Fritz by wunderhorn1 · · Score: 2
      I believe you underestimate the difficulty in image recognition, because you have that backwards.

      Getting computers to perform even the most basic image recognition accurately is still an elusive problem in computer science/AI research. I highly doubt an algorithm could be developed today that would take an image of the board from some inclination above the horizon pick out each of the pieces in their various distances and stages of rotation and determine which was a queen and which was a bishop. One advantage, though, would be in looking at the relative heights of the various pieces.

      OTOH, it's fairly easy to develop a mechanical arm capable of moving precise distances, grasping an object of known size and shape, and depositing it at another location. It doesn't require much more sophicstication than those games at arcades where you try to grab prizes out of the plexiglass bin. (It would have a fair bit of trouble righting a piece that slipped or got knocked over on its side, though. That would be an interesting problem.)

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    14. Re:Deep Fritz by God!+Awful · · Score: 2


      But that's how the GMs play the game.
      Your reviewing every game of your opponent before starting the match.

      It's not the same thing. GMs don't get a move oracle to play with before the game. It would have been more fair if Fritz had played a bunch of games against grandmasters and Kramnik had been given a transcript of the results. (And the team had been allowed to tweak the program afterwards.)

      -a

    15. Re:Deep Fritz by jazman · · Score: 1

      Ok, so make it fairer by making Kramnik play blindfold, then he can use a mental representation of the board instead of having to do all that complicated image recognition stuff.

  11. A couple corrections to the article... by Jouster · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just a few quick things to throw in:
    1. Bugbear actually uses one of forty different subject lines. It also sometimes throws in some random data, just for fun.
    2. Bugbear is a descendant of Badtrans, a nasty but not particularly widespread virus from earlier this year. The keystroke logger seems to have been borrowed bit-for-bit (at least in the copy I isolated and analysed).
    Jouster
    1. Re:A couple corrections to the article... by M.+Silver · · Score: 2

      All I'm seeing is Klez (and a lot of it), at least from a rough scan of the Phoenyx' logs... you wouldn't happen to have a nice pattern-suitable-for-grepping-for, would you?

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    2. Re:A couple corrections to the article... by Jouster · · Score: 2

      Alas, no such love at this point.

      Do what I do - send e-mails to all users that say, "Please reply to this email once your have updated your anti-virus software." Hold back all email with attachments until they reply.

      There are two division heads in my company who haven't received email with attachments since January because they haven't replied from the first time I used the system.

      Jouster

    3. Re:A couple corrections to the article... by richie2000 · · Score: 2
      I would probably hold back ALL email to the people who actually read and responded to your mail. You do realize it looks just like scamspam with a bad cold, don't you?

      "Please respond to this mail so we can harvest all e-mail addresses that work and sell them to evil spammers on eBay."

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    4. Re:A couple corrections to the article... by M.+Silver · · Score: 2

      Do what I do - send e-mails to all users that say, "Please reply to this email once your have updated your anti-virus software."

      Um... I run a mailing list server. I don't *send* my users attachments, and I can't control what other email comes in (if I could, I'd make 'em stop using Hotmail, for one thing).

      The chief problem seems to be users of active mailing lists send each other viruses (with names of *other* mailing list members in the From field, of course), and it just keeps getting passed around. Just when you think you've educated everybody, somebody pops up and says "I got it because I use Outlook, which automatically opens attachments! It's not my fault!" And then they get testy when you ask what rock they've been living under.

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  12. Link to shuttle cam video by dsanfte · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:Link to shuttle cam video by ashitaka · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why is this video only 1:44?

      Why cut off before SRB sep?

      Why did live TV coverage switch to long-range cameras right at SRB sep?

      What is wrong with this whole picture?

      It may be that before launch they realized that the camera would be smoked by the SRB separation rockets but being too late to fix they gave instructions to cut away at that point.

      Conspiracy freaks will come up with plenty of other explanations.

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    2. Re:Link to shuttle cam video by zer0vector · · Score: 1

      I watched the launch on television, and they showed footage the entire time, up to SRB separation. All you could see was a bright explosion, then the rest of the footage is blurry. If you look really closely during fuel tank separation, you can see the shuttle pulling away. I'm sure it would've been quite a sight if the camera hadn't been blocked. They probably aren't going to post footage of their little mistake, and I don't blame them.

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    3. Re:Link to shuttle cam video by ashitaka · · Score: 2

      After posting I found another, more complete video with the SRB sep and yes, bright flash followed by blurriness.

      They might have assumed that at 2,800m/h the slipstream would blow back any rocket exhaust away from the camera. Those SRB rockets must be STRONG.

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    4. Re:Link to shuttle cam video by paranoos · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I could have sworn I saw a fuzzy little alien toss the SRB from the shuttle. I knew this technology was too good to be ours...

  13. Bugbear by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is no way to save users from themselves. If a sizable part of the population need to use computers, there will always be a significant number of those who do stupid things from them. These problems will continue no matter how secure Windows becomes. These problems will occur on any software platform that is simple enough for the general population to use.

    Actually, with a certain class of user, Windows' automatic updates make Windows more secure than Linux. Amoung windows users, that class is rather large. We may see less of the Code Red Viruses, but the Shoot Yourself in the Foot Viruses will continue.

    Linux does have one advantage though. It is intensely hard to install programs for Linux. It is so complicated that it is very hard to automate. And as long as users have to install viruses by hand, and download the correct libraries to get them to run, you can be sure that Linux users won't have to worry much about a Linux virus spreading like wildfire across the net.

  14. Nissan.... by BrodieBruce · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Prior to my hearing about this case, if you had asked me

    Can I register a domain name SomeCompany.com and then do the following:

    • Talk about how much I dislike the company
    • Feature ad banners for sites related to that company
    • Talk trash about the management of the company
    • Post numerous comments on the low quality of the company's products (thereby "diluting their image")

    My response would have been, "damn right, freedom of speech..."

    But now, I'm just confused.

    What did he do that violated any laws?

    He's paid $2.2 million in legal fees. It's not like he had a choice about showing up in court to defend himself.

    Now Nissan motors can take his domain name after all the legal bills? And if not, he'll be ordered to give them financial reparations for "diluting their brand name?"

    1. Re:Nissan.... by BrodieBruce · · Score: 2, Informative
      btw,

      I know he didn't do all those things, just the second one. But I may as well clear that up before 50 people post on my inaccuracies in delineating the situation at hand.

    2. Re:Nissan.... by chriso11 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe the U.S. Constitution should be changed to something like:
      "We, the Corporations of the United States (and other countries), in order to have a more perfect customer base, establish commerce, insure domestic profits, provide for our CEOs, promote the use of tax shelters, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

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    3. Re:Nissan.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Well to me, taking on the little guy when they're the big guy has diluted their brand a helluva lot more than landing on the wrong website ever could...

      In future, I'd like to see ambiguous domain names mothballed - stick nissan.com on the shelf where no one can have it - then he can sue them for squatting on his nissancomputers.com domain. muhahahaa.....

    4. Re:Nissan.... by dargaud · · Score: 2

      The words capitalism and profit are not in the US constitution. Oversight? Mistake? Good thing? Maybe the founding fathers just didn't know better, or maybe they did. You be the judge.

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    5. Re:Nissan.... by rasjani · · Score: 1

      Mod this Informative not funny..

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    6. Re:Nissan.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My response would have been, "damn right, freedom of speech..."
      But now, I'm just confused.

      You are. You can't sell sandwitches with the name "McDonalds" - your freedom has been taken.

  15. Crap... by Myuu · · Score: 3, Funny

    "During the feed, it looked like the ejection of the solid rocket boosters damaged or obscured the camera, leading to a fuzzy image during the fuel tank separation stage."

    Bring on anti-NASA the conspiracy theories...

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    1. Re:Crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to a small video piece run on the canadian "Space" channel (www.spacecast.com) the camera was sprayed with fuel when the solid rocket boosters disengaged. Maybe that's something in the SRB ejection system (beats me how that works)

    2. Re:Crap... by kzinti · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe that's something in the SRB ejection system (beats me how that works)

      Small rocket motors in the boosters - "separation motors".

    3. Re:Crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see that, I just wouldn't figure they would spray fuel around in that nature. I would have thought perhaps they were hyrdazine or something and wouldn't make much residue.

  16. camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does it annoy anyone else that NASA spent $750,000 on the technical equivalent an X-10 webcam?

    And it failed! I mean, what the hell?

    Private space enterprises deserve to eat NASA's breakfast, dinner AND lunch once they get started.

    1. Re:camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'd rather they buy one for $750 000 than buy one from those annoying assholes at x10.

    2. Re:camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one cares that you are dumb!!!

    3. Re:camera by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
      If it was the equivilent of an X-10 webcam, they would have had to have a hot babe in the picture. (It seems manditory in X-10 ads talking about security for some reason.)

      Creating a babe-less X-10 is probably what bumped the price up.

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    4. Re:camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, like Microsoft can put out a quality OS for $200.

      NASA is _very_ careful. That adds at least a 0 to any price. This thing has to survive high heat and high wind. It also has to be evaluated for its effect on the rest of the craft. Add in the comm link for full video (they don't even have enough of those for the science), the server(s) hosting, the administration of said (ask any slashdotter what an admin should make. )
      Yes, then you add another 0 for the fact that it has to go through a beaurocracy. They do have too much overhead.

      Lessee, half of slashdot wants businesses to go away, or at least have the government beat them into submission, because businesses no longer respect the law, their customers, or their civilization. The other half of slashdot wants to get rid of government and let capitalism rule.

      I won't think privitized space is a good idea until I find a company I trust with the lives of the astronauts, as well as trusting them to put science concerns above profit.
      You're probably safer going to the moon with NASA than driving across town in a major city.

    5. Re:camera by zer0vector · · Score: 2, Informative

      The camera did not fail, up to SRB separation the footage is amazing, go look at it on NASA's site. I may not have clarified this, but after separation, there is still footage and the camera is still running, but it seems to be severely fogged over. It was probably just a miscalculation about how much debris would be ejected by the SRB separation motors.

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    6. Re:camera by HeghmoH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, let's see if you can design a camera that can withstand eight minutes of 3G acceleration, along with intense vibration, speeding through at atmosphere at high multiples of the speed of sound, and a high vacuum, while broadcasting its image to a receiver a couple of thousand miles away.

      Also, I watched it live and I must have missed the part where it failed. It lost signal here and there, but given the conditions I think that's only fair.

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    7. Re:camera by Kalak · · Score: 1

      Care to post the URL to the footage? I can't find the damn thing on the NTV web site.

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    8. Re:camera by ethereal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait, I thought NASA was supposed to spy on hot chicks with that camera? Don't they read label directions?

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  17. From the CNN Nissan Article by ksw2 · · Score: 3, Informative
    "We've always seen this case as protecting the Nissan brand and not about money," he said. "What we are saying is the word Nissan by itself is our registered trademark and we're the only ones with the right to use the name Nissan by itself."

    Interesting. I wonder if they'll be requiring Uzi Nissan to change his last name as well... after all, Nissan owns it...

    Also, it bear mentioning that Uzi has spent well in excess of one million dollars defending his own last name from these assholes who didn't even use the name "Nissan" in the States until well after Uzi had registerred the domain and used it for his own business.

    The corporate swines have also been using dirty tricks like filing suit across the county from where Uzi lives, in an attempt to sap his finances so he can't defend himself. (These are things Uzi himself talked about at H2K2, if you're curious about my sources)

    1. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by kuroth · · Score: 1

      >these assholes who didn't even use the name "Nissan" in the States until well after Uzi
      >had registerred the domain and used it for his own business.

      $ whois nissan.com@whois.networksolutions.com ...
      Record created on 04-May-1994.

      My 1990 Nissan says, quite plainly, "Nissan" on the back.

    2. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by kzinti · · Score: 2

      My 1990 Nissan says, quite plainly, "Nissan" on the back.

      If I'm not mistaken you could find "Nissan" on my old Datsun 240Z too... but you had to look under the hood.

      --Jim

    3. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Also, it bear mentioning that Uzi has spent well in excess of one million dollars defending his own last name from these assholes who didn't even use the name "Nissan" in the States until well after Uzi had registerred the domain and used it for his own business.

      As someone who was shopping for an Altima, I went to nissan.com expecting, like I'm sure the overwhelming majority of visitors, to find the Nissan Motor Corporation. I would wager that probably, oh, 99.9%+ of his traffic comes from people looking for the Nissan motor corporation (BTW: Nissan has been a brand name for many, many years. I knew about Nissan as the maker of my brother's 240Z's engine back in the early 80s, the car of which is from the mid 70s). From some of his actions, it sounds like he tried to capitalize upon this and started putting car ads, etc, on his site. Seems to me that he dug his own grave.

    4. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by TheMightyZog · · Score: 1

      They started using in the US sometime before 1986 as my mom's Stanza had a Nissan badge on it. Most likely the name change happened in 1984 or 1985.

    5. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by mentin · · Score: 2
      $ whois nissan.com@whois.networksolutions.com ... Record created on 04-May-1994. My 1990 Nissan says, quite plainly, "Nissan" on the back.
      Well, this guy also has a passport that says "Nissan" on the front, and it is older than 1990. So what?

      Nissan Motors did not think about internet when this guy opened his business. So why his business should suffer just because they awaked now?

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    6. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it scary when you can buy "justice". Clearly capitalism isn't the way to go with law. There should be upper bound on legal fees, and any amount of damages paid to the one who is suing shouldn't affect the amount of money his lawyers get.

      I mean, justice shouldn't be about "who's the best lawyer", it's about who's right. When money starts affecting "who's right", then things are seriously screwed.

      But I guess we all know that anyway.

    7. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nissan Motors did not think about internet when this guy opened his business. So why his business should suffer just because they awaked now?

      Yes.

    8. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From some of his actions, it sounds like he tried to capitalize upon this and started putting car ads, etc, on his site.

      Read his side of the story. He had a Nissan Foreign Car Mobile Repair Service since 1980, before the introduction of the Nissan Motors brand name. So logically some of his visitors might be interested in foreign car parts. And look at his site. He has a pointer to NissanDriven.com (which redirects to nissanusa.com) at the top. IMO Uzi Nissan is being a good netizen and despite the biases of some reporters, if you examine the facts it's hard to spin it any other way.

    9. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt he started adding auto links to capitalize on his well known "Nissan Foreign Car Mobile Repair Service".

      Firstly, he doesn't even bother to make the link to Nissan an actual hyperlink, instead simply giving the text. Secondly, the unlinked link wasn't added until after he was sued: Take a look at the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/*/nissan.com for, say, late 1999. At this point he has burrowed his computer hardware deep in the site, and instead turned it into a banner page: 100% the purpose was to capitalize upon millions of people looking for Nissan automobiles (clearly the page and domain had zero value to his business, and any expert would attest to this).

      Look at Alexa's "sites people also followed" the big links for nissan.com are Nissan USA, Toyota, Mazda, American Honda, Subaru : Yeah, that's people looking for a Raleigh NC computer store.

      I have mixed feelings about this case, honestly. On the one hand the guy's name is Nissan, so he certainly has a claim, but on the other hand the overwhelming (i.e. 99.99%+ probably, and the other 0.01% are checking for info on the lawsuit) majority of people going to nissan.com are looking for the car company, not his computer store. I almost see it as a "public good" thing that perhaps he should be forced to sell it to Nissan, but at "fair market value" : Not $15,000,000, which is what he requested, but perhaps say $250,000.

    10. Re:From the CNN Nissan Article by SillySlashdotName · · Score: 1

      My '84 king cab 'mpg' pickup has 'NISSAN' on the back. I remember asking when I bought it in '84 and being told it was actually DATSUN renamed. I think that was the first year of the new name.

      This is from memory, and they say the memory is the second thing to go when you get old. I just wish I could remember what is the first ting!

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  18. Deep Fritz... by Espectr0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... is NOT a computer. It's just a software program than can run on your local pc, and if you know where to look, you can get it.

    Deep Blue was a real computer, much more powerful than the 8 cpu Compaq that is running Deep Fritz, although the chess algorithms were less efficient.

    Btw, i don't think computers will conquer the world as much ppl think it. Remember, computers are made by humans. Until computers can think on their own (no, computers don't think, they just execute instructions, they can emulate thinking but it's not really that) human race will always win.

    Now, the end of the world will be probably when the viruses exterminate the human race, but that's another topic...

    1. Re:Deep Fritz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world will be fine when the viruses exterminate the human race. It's the humans that are fucked. The world will be a better place after they are all dead and gone.

    2. Re:Deep Fritz... by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      (no, computers don't think, they just execute instructions, they can emulate thinking but it's not really that)

      That's like saying "human brains can't think, they just fire neurons". If thinking can take place in 1500cc of electrically active fatty meat, I don't think we can rule out other substrates very easily.

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    3. Re:Deep Fritz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cannot map any arbitrary 'thought' to a Turing machine(just think about your mom, then write a program to do the same thing, assuming infinite time and memory). Since everything any computer can do can be mapped to a Turing machine, it is correct to say that computers don't think, they just execute instructions.

      Think about how many times you lost your keys. Think about how many times you wouldn't have lost them if you had a register in your brain that held the location of your keys. Since you would also use that register to decide where to place your keys at the end of the day, you probably would never have lost your keys.

    4. Re:Deep Fritz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      just think about your mom, then write a program to do the same thing, assuming infinite time and memory

      10 LET A$ = "YOUR_MOM"

    5. Re:Deep Fritz... by ethereal · · Score: 1

      I think it's more likely to be the case that the Turing machine 'tape' in our heads is not infinite, and thus keeps getting erased, reread, and reused over time. Thus explaining why it's possible to lose one's keys. A brain isn't a universal Turing machine since it doesn't have infinite storage, but then again neither is any computer we could build either. So if "being able to forget things" is your standard for thought, then eventually computers with enough on their minds will be able to forget things too, and in fact they'll have to if they want to get useful work done.

      How can you be sure that you're not in fact executing instructions, really really fast, with some chance of error at each instruction? Aren't synapse firings basically bioelectrical intereactions based on simple threshold calculations? It's not surprising to me that you can't know about every synapse firing; once we have computer systems that are complex enough to be above caring about every individual instruction, we may find that it thinks as well. Or we may not be able to even tell, just like thinking bacteria in our crania might not be able to tell that we're thinking with those synapses. The base mechanisms of thought are not the thoughts themselves.

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    6. Re:Deep Fritz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (no, computers don't think, they just execute instructions, they can emulate thinking but it's not really that)

      Uh for 90% of the world thats all they do is execute instructions. Mindless tools.

  19. HIPPAA compliance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    From the article:
    Clark has an idea, though. "Since the automatic update/security holes only apply to Microsoft, the health care industry needs to go to Microsoft with a joint NDA (nondisclosure agreement) and indemnification agreement, requiring Microsoft to hold their HIPAA-compliant customers harmless should patient information be leaked via this mechanism."
    So now as a patient, when your private info is stolen, or your automatic medicator screws up due to windows update "fixes" you have to beat the Microsoft lawyers instead of the HMO lawyers. Meanwhile, you're still outed/fired/uninsured/dead whatever. Way to shuck responsibility! Way to totally fail to solve the problem!
  20. The most worrying thing... by SmileyBen · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the scariest part has to be that they let a Windows operating system anywhere near brain surgery....

    1. Re:The most worrying thing... by unicron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Would you prefer Linux? Immensely stable but they keep having to re-administer the anasthesia because you keep waking up while your neurosurgeon reads the FAQ?

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    2. Re:The most worrying thing... by rodgerd · · Score: 2

      This is an underexamined part of the problem. Microsoft specifically disclaim that Windows is in any way suited to use in nuclear reactors and for sundry other critical uses. Why the fuck are people building operating theatre systems on it?

    3. Re:The most worrying thing... by einhverfr · · Score: 2

      Would you prefer Linux? Immensely stable but they keep having to re-administer the anasthesia because you keep waking up while your neurosurgeon reads the FAQ?

      I WOULD prefer Linux, ideally running on an embedded system. There would be a limited user interface and everything else would be automated.

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    4. Re:The most worrying thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shyeah. Then you get a 'Trojan'.

    5. Re:The most worrying thing... by einhverfr · · Score: 2

      You think such a system would be networked or exposed to the internet?

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  21. SRB Debris by kzinti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    During the feed, it looked like the ejection of the solid rocket boosters damaged or obscured the camera...

    That can be a problem for the crew too, or used to be. Each SRB has rocket motors that separate it from the external tank at around two minutes MET. Debris from these motors can get on the forward orbiter windows. Not too many years ago the shuttle flight software was changed - a "window washer" mod - to fire the FU RCS jets for a few seconds at SRB seperation to keep the windscreen clear of debris.

    Just thought you'd be interested to know...

    --JIm

  22. Thanks for ignoring me qjkx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Deep fritz plays a trivial, rather pointless game. Go is so important, it's dang near the meaning of life.

  23. HIPAA vs. MS by Kefaa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I believe Clark has the right idea
    "...the health care industry needs to go to Microsoft with a joint NDA (nondisclosure agreement) and indemnification agreement, requiring Microsoft to hold their HIPAA-compliant customers harmless should patient information be leaked via this mechanism."

    Not a prayer that MS would agree, but it will be interesting when they get pulled into court the first time a provider claims it was the update and MS forced them to allow it.

    The regulatory oversight may do more to open MS software than the DOJ. Logic, reason, and innovation are not the watch words of these organizations. Regulations were passed, comply or be destroyed.

    It is hard for me to decide who I want to win. MS or the regulators...

  24. Results by MutantEnemy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The real test of playing strength is results, of course. Although we have too small a sample size (for both chess computers) to be truly scientific, so far it looks like Deep Blue was stronger than Deep Fritz.

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    1. Re:Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Analyse deep blue's games with deep fritz. Deep Fritz find better moves then deep blue in the same time. Its quite clear that brute speed isnt the only thing in good chess play, its the algs that matter.

    2. Re:Results by buzzdecafe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A crucial difference in this match is that Kramnik was able to study Fritz's playing style beforehand. Kasparov was not afforded that opportunity in his match vs. Deep Blue. Also, Kramnik's positional style may be better suited to defeating a computer opponent than Kasparov's aggresive style. It's tough to write an algorithm that identifies positional advantages and disadvantages in any position and evaluate a plan based on that. Hell, it's hard for human beings to do that, that's what makes the greats so great.

  25. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed on this. You're not allowed to trademark common words, like orange, hand or March. If your company name happens to be the name of a month in another language, you shouldn't be allowed to go into a fit everytime someone uses it.

    Further,

    The auto company didn't sue until 1999, but the judge said that five-year wait wasn't too long because Nissan didn't initially know the impact the Internet would have on business.

    Then looks like Nissan should have had a little more foresight. IANAL but if you don't defended your trademark when you become aware of someone else using it, then it's become diluted.

  26. Thanks for ignoring me qjkx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It figures a simple mind who plays Chess would be attracted to the primitive concept of money. Now Go has this "money" reward as well, but it needs no money to make it the most important thing to any geek.

  27. Moderation of "Dad, please switch to a real os"... by NanoGator · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    A user has given a "Troll" (-1) moderation to your comment.
    Dad, please switch to a real operating system.
    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/07/184121 0&mode=nested&tid=167

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  28. licensing agreements by Parsec · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We've been told at my University that we (as system administrators) can go ahead and click the "I accept" on any Microsoft service pack or hotfix, our licensing agreement with M$ overrides anything they put in a EULA.

    Microsoft could actually wind up violating their own agreement if they take action not specified in the big license.

    1. Re:licensing agreements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "our licensing agreement with M$ overrides anything they put in a EULA"

      That's either the best joke or the most retarded thing I've heard all day.

    2. Re:licensing agreements by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2

      Funny that saying "I accept" when installing software is equivalent to signing a more recent agreement.

      So Microsoft violates the big agreement, University sues, stating that Microsoft violated their agreement.

      Microsoft argues that installing software is tantamount to rewriting the old agreement, and countersues for libel. (Saying that such a major company violated a major agreement will cause a major reduction in stock values.)

      Oh, how the legal system is so...

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    3. Re:licensing agreements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's the second most retarded thing, since you posted your comment.

    4. Re:licensing agreements by mijok · · Score: 0

      A comment of mine to another story is relevant here as well so I may just as well repeat it (and since my karma is 0 anyway...). Here.

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    5. Re:licensing agreements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      read the comment...LOL!

      (mmol_6453)

  29. Re:Moderation of "Dad, please switch to a real os" by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

    Lol!!

    I see you ran across my post here!

  30. Give me a break... by Heynow21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone honestly beleive that this guy wasn't trying to take advantage of Nissan's trademark? That he didn't cackle with glee when he registered the address? If you aren't going to use English as the standard for judging common words then you need to use common sense. For all I know "Kodak" is the most common surname in Mongolia. The fact that this has gone to court tells me that Mr. Nissan played hardball when they were negotiating a payoff; I'm guessing he demanded seven (maybe eight?) figures like most cybersquatters instead of just taking a fair settlement for his lucky last name.

    1. Re:Give me a break... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong. I've purchased computers from Uzi for years. I live in Raleigh and I can honestly say that Uzi owns a respectable business. He had a homepage for Nissan Computers YEARS before Nissan motor ever decided to hop on the Internet bandwagon. Oh yeah, Uzi also started his own ISP years before Nissan tried to grab the domain name.

      Nissan is his name. He registered it first. It's his.

    2. Re:Give me a break... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course, he might actually have a spine (or independant wealth), and wanted the domain more than the money.

      This strikes me as no different than the McDonalds (the junk-food chain) vs McDonalds (the family owned restaurant that predates the fast food chain) a while back. The bigger business considers itself more important, and has the money to throw at lawyers to make that delusion a reality.

      If *you* had a family domain, and some company offered you what you consider a pittance for it, how would you feel? Would you consider yourself an informed "hardball" player? Would you "cackle with glee" at your great luck in having a valuable name?

      It really disgusts me that companies consider themselves more important than individuals. It disgusts me even more that the legal system mostly agrees with them. Neither of those comes *close*, however, to the disgust I feel about actual individual *humans* who agree that companies have more rights than everyone else, and actually criticize other humans for standing up for what few rights we have left.

    3. Re:Give me a break... by shepd · · Score: 1

      Or maybe he has calculated how much less business he would receive over the next 10 years without an easy to access domain, the cost of reprinting all his preprinted materials (letterhead, business cards, signs, etc, etc), the cost of disposing those old materials, and the cost of re-advertising to all of his customers where his new domain is, the cost of business lost to lazy people who won't want to type a huge domain, and the cost of business lost to people who don't find out what his new domain is, and noticed that including his time it easily reached the 250k mark?

      So maybe he tacked on another 50k to make it fair. It's a business, and it has to make profits, and, second most importantly, he was there first, and very most importantly, he is making legitimate use of his domain.

      I think anyone who legitimately uses a domain should feel free to charge the hell out of a company who wants to buy it, unlike actual squatters who buy a domain and just stick a bunch of ads on it.

      If that makes Nissan mad, though. There's always .biz, .us, .info, .co.jp, or whatever...

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    4. Re:Give me a break... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      We reply: Nissan Motors' official, Mr. Merril Davis, who initiated contact with us and traveled to North Carolina in October 1999 and MR. Nissan told him then that the domain name is not for sale. He contacted Mr. Nissan and traveled again to NC on December 10th 1999, at this time he was prompted by their lawyers (Mr. Nissan did not know it then but after Mr. Merril Davis's deposition was taken it was known) to entrap Mr. Nissan to give him a price for the domain. After more then 2 hours Mr. Nissan got tired of him asking for a price, and said "$15 MILLION, DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW THAT I DO NOT WANT TO SELL?". That was it, he went outside and made a phone call, 5 minutes later, an 86 pages of lawsuit papers started printing on our fax, it takes weeks to prepare an 86 Pages complaint. So NO, we did not demand $15 million, Mr. Nissan's stand was and is, "The domain name is not for sale.

      That's from a Q&A at this page. Personally that sounds like a big old pile of bullshit. I'm sure this guy was rubbing his hands ready to make a windfall off of nissan.com. To say that "$15 million" was just some random number is ludicrous, and I'm sure it was the plan all along. As I mentioned in another email: The overwhelmingly majority of people typing nissan.com into their browser are looking for Nissan Motors, not some dinky little computer store in nowheresville.

    5. Re:Give me a break... by Heynow21 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I mentioned in another email: The overwhelmingly majority of people typing nissan.com into their browser are looking for Nissan Motors, not some dinky little computer store in nowheresville. Good point. It reminds me of stories you hear about elderly couples who own homes in the path of superhighway construction. Suppose they don't want to sell, should everyone have to drive an extra mile around them, or should the couple accept that progress happens? That's not even a good analogy, because in this case the guy bought the house knowing the highway would have to come through it. Bully for him, pay the man. Oh, and yeah that "15 million" comment is a laugh, if he were serious about not wanting to sell he would have gone Dr. Evil on them. "ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS."

    6. Re:Give me a break... by sconeu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact that this has gone to court tells me that Mr. Nissan played hardball when they were negotiating a payoff;

      Or maybe Mr. Nissan said, "No. I'm not selling it at all. It's MY name!"

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    7. Re:Give me a break... by Heynow21 · · Score: 1

      Clearly a company with hundreds of thousands of employees relying on it for paychecks IS more important that one person. And I say this keeping in mind what we're talking about, which are internet domain names, not mass executions or whatever it is you have on your mind. "If *you* had a family domain, and some company offered you what you consider a pittance for it, how would you feel? Would you consider yourself an informed "hardball" player? Would you "cackle with glee" at your great luck in having a valuable name?" Define pittance? I really doubt given the facts of this case he was offered a pittance. I would guess he was offered hundreds of thousands, but is hanging on for millions -maybe he has a good lawyer in the family. To answer your questions; Yes I would cackle with glee if my last name was, say, "Intel" and I managed to establish a legal claim to that address. I might even play hardball if I felt willing to endure the scorn of rational people on internet message boards. But don't kid yourself, this is going to end with Mr. Nissan accepting an "undisclosed amount" and moving to the Bahamas.

    8. Re:Give me a break... by alienw · · Score: 1

      I totally agree with you. Obviously, a large corporation with thousands of employees is more important than some random guy operating out of his basement.

      Also, it is pretty damn obvious that the value in that domain name comes from the popularity of the Nissan Motor company, and not Nissan Computer, whatever that is. Given that Nissan spends millions of dollars promoting their brand and that they own the trademark, I don't see how this is not cybersquatting. Just because my last name is "Ford" doesn't mean I have the right to start a business called "Ford Motor Company". And when I go to nissan.com, I better damn well find the car company's website and not some random small business.

    9. Re:Give me a break... by HappyDude · · Score: 0

      BUT you DO have the right to start a company called "Ford Computers" moron.

    10. Re:Give me a break... by n9hmg · · Score: 2

      He sounds like a self-made man. He's probably (justifiably) proud of what he's done. He's had several careers, several businesses, and is doing well (as attested by the previous testimonial(a few posts up)). Some big company declares his property, his name, to be their property, and demands that he stop using it as he sees fit. If he's not desperate for the money, I can easily see somebody like that saying "fuck you, you enormous hard-on, put your cash where your boyfriend will find it" to the Nissan Motors rep.
      Besides, at least in America, they definitely have a shorter history with the name than Uzi does. Until fairly recently, they were calling themselves "Datsun". Let them have nissan.co.jp.

  31. Re:I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Logged-in trolls can't claim shit. They're too busy suckin' maldas dick.

  32. Or, Japanese. by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2

    Of course, Japanese people with that name are just as SOL.

    These guys are like aliens- just remember that.

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  33. jdbgc.exe by MyHair · · Score: 1

    If a sizable part of the population need to use computers, there will always be a significant number of those who do stupid things from them. These problems will continue no matter how secure Windows becomes.

    What gets me about some users is that they'll call me up concerned if two icons switch positions, but they get an email like this from a friend and actually find and delete jdbgc.exe themselves. Go figure.

    The following email (the typical jdbgc.exe hoax) was circulated recently at my company, and one senior admin secretary sent it out to EVERYONE in her address book as it instructed. I sent out an email to my users saying that this is a known hoax and that if there were a new virus out there that McAfee, Norton and *I* would know about it before their email friends did.

    I can't imagine why they thought otherwise.

    Disclaimer: HOAX EMAIL! Do NOT delete the file or you will mess up IE's Java implementation.
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    I found the little bear in my machine because of that I am sending this message in order for you to find it in your machine. The procedure is very simple:

    The objective of this e-mail is to warn all Hotmail users about a new virus that is spreading by MSN Messenger. The name of this virus is jdbgmgr.exe and it is sent automatically by the Messenger and by the address book too. The virus is not detected by McAfee or Norton and it stays quiet for 14 days before damaging the system.

    The virus can be cleaned before it deletes the files from your system. In order to eliminate it, it is just necessary to do the following steps:
    1. Go to Start, click "Search"
    2.- In the "Files or Folders option" write the name jdbgmgr.exe
    3.- Be sure that you are searching in the drive "C"
    4.- Click "find now"
    5.- If the virus is there (it has a little bear-like icon with the name of jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT FOR ANY REASON
    6.- Right click and delete it (it will go to the Recycle bin)
    7.- Go to the recycle bin and delete it or empty the recycle bin.

    IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS IN ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS SEND THIS MESSAGE TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS LOCATED IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BEFORE IT CAN CAUSE ANY DAMAGE.
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    Disclaimer: The above is a HOAX! Do not follow its advice!

    1. Re:jdbgc.exe by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      I found the Bear on my system and deleted it, does that mean I was infected? How can I tell if it had activated yet or not?

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    2. Re:jdbgc.exe by AsparagusChallenge · · Score: 1

      That was not funny. Really, wasn't.

    3. Re:jdbgc.exe by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Heh. :)

      I thought after I deleted SULFNBK.EXE I would be safe from all these viruses!

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    4. Re:jdbgc.exe by MyHair · · Score: 1

      You want to know what's really sad? That wasn't the first time that email circulated through my company.

      The first time MY MANAGER, the manager of about 20 techs/admins, deleted jdbgc.exe before forwarding the email to all of us and his director and V.P..

      This is the guy I rescued from Sircam a year ago. You'd think he'd call me first, but no, this email must know what it's talking about!

      You know what's really, really, really sad? At least 3 of my coworkers 'fessed up to deleting the file on several PCs and were planning to do a sweep of the whole complex.

      What's funny is how fast they did it. I was at the PC when the manager's email came through and immediately replied to all with the subject "HOAX Re: <old subject>" and linked to the proper page of NAI's virus library. Even with that fast a response many still were off deleting this thing before they read my email. <sigh>

  34. Boycott Nissan (Motors) and tell them why! by WEFUNK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While plenty of web sites, blogs, and usenet discussions informatively describe and criticize the heavy handed tactics of companies like Nissan, Molson Canadian, and Gateway (2000), these companies need to start hearing vocally from consumers who will not buy their brands based on their overbearing legal tactics and we should compile and distribute a list of companies to target. More important than a boycott itself, the average joe and especially these company's dealers, sales, and marketing people need to know WHY we're upset.

    Whenever these cases come up we read the lawyers and spokespeople telling us they have to do this to "protect the brand", or to "prevent consumers from being confused". Real squatters aside, this is generally total crap. Consumers in any demographic able to buy a car will quickly realize Nissan Computer != Nissan Motors and while brands need to be protected to a certain extent in order to avoid becoming generic (like kleenex, or xerox) the chance of "nissan" becoming a generic term is slim to none (and not just because it doesn't have an 'x'). Trademarks apply to specific categories only, and this limitation should help to prevent dilution happening from unrelated uses of the same mark. Companies that try to over extend their marks should do so only at their own risk, and I bet that willy nilly suing other users probably does more to imply dilution than just leaving things be (Ob.IANAL but this should be true even if it's not the actual law).

    Actually, I doubt any of these cases stem from the marketing department, more likely the lawyers are trying to justify their salaries and budgets. But if the sales and marketing people thought these tactics were hurting their brand they could override legal in a second. Enough slashdotters are young professionals with a well paying job and interest in new products to present a very attractive demographic to these people. Let them know you're pissed!

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    1. Re:Boycott Nissan (Motors) and tell them why! by Guppy06 · · Score: 2

      "Enough slashdotters are young professionals with a well paying job"

      How many of us will be buying a new car in the next month? The next year? I know I won't be looking for a new car until at least after the warranty on my Hyundai wears out. And even then I won't be looking at Nissans anyway as they design their cars for Japanese drivers (and I'm a bit larger than the average Japanese driver). And I sure as hell won't be buying one of their "trucks" because I know that real trucks don't have sparkplugs (they're actually proud of helping to introduce the "light truck" class?).

      At worst your boycott idea will rob Nissan of what, half a dozen vehicle sales in all the North American market?

    2. Re:Boycott Nissan (Motors) and tell them why! by timeOday · · Score: 2
      these companies need to start hearing vocally from consumers who will not buy their brands based on their overbearing legal tactics
      I disagree that market forces are the cure for this problem - after all, the litigants are abusing the law, not the market. It's the *government* that's making bad decisions (at the promptings of big business, of course).

      What these cases really need is a judge to say, "sorry McDonald's, this one's easy. You lose."

    3. Re:Boycott Nissan (Motors) and tell them why! by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      And even then I won't be looking at Nissans anyway as they design their cars for Japanese drivers (and I'm a bit larger than the average Japanese driver).

      Mind giving examples of these "Designed for Japanese" cars? The Altima, for example, is one of the largest mid-sized cars you can buy with massive head and leg room, and huge storage.

      At worst your boycott idea will rob Nissan of what, half a dozen vehicle sales in all the North American market?

      The Altima is selling in North America as fast as they can build them. Infinity is a highly successful brand. The Pathfinder is a very successful SUV. Do you work at Ford or something?

    4. Re:Boycott Nissan (Motors) and tell them why! by WEFUNK · · Score: 2

      What these cases really need is a judge to say, "sorry McDonald's, this one's easy. You lose."

      You're right, but few of these cases actually make it to a judge. The heavy handed tactics usually lead to out of court settlements and altered consumer behavior. Sometimes the threats might not hold up in court but the process is too expensive and the outcomes are too uncertain for many people to risk a battle.

      Sometimes the companies are even technically in the right but are just overbearing in their behavior. I don't reward sloppy service, and even if the customer isn't always right I don't want to deal with companies that are abusive with their customers or anyone else. I'm not actually going to go out and organize a boycott, but this consideration is definitely a part of my decision making process and I'm simply encouraging others to make it part of theirs. I think market forces are an appropriate avenue for exercising this opinion but I feel it's also important to let companies know why you're not buying their products because the real decision makers probably often have no clue that their reputation is being tarnished by overzealous lawyers.

      Similarly, if you agree with me, it's even more important to reward companies that are respectful of their customers, fans, and even third parties, and again, it's important to tell them why. Hopefully they'll keep it up and eventually put the bad guys out of business.

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  35. Re:I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slurp slurp slurp

  36. nissan.com by garcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What I don't understand about the whole lawsuit is how Nissan (motors) can prove that they own the rights to that name. Uzi was apparently around before Nissan became any sort of MAJOR advertising spender ($400 million last year).

    The judge decided that the Internet wasn't that big of a deal in 1994, so the 5 year span between the registration of nissan.com and 1999 when they sued was ok. WHAT? Explain to me how this is ok? Uzi had it first, tough shit if they didn't decide that the Internet wasn't all that important.

    Early bird gets the worm. Money should have no bearing on who gets what domain.

    If I were Uzi, I would tell them to use nissancomputer.com for themselves.

    Just my worthless .02

    1. Re:nissan.com by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      The judge decided that the Internet wasn't that big of a deal in 1994, so the 5 year span between the registration of nissan.com and 1999 when they sued was ok. WHAT? Explain to me how this is ok? Uzi had it first, tough shit if they didn't decide that the Internet wasn't all that important.

      To quote from another article:

      "Then, in 1991, Nissan started his computer business. But in 1995 -- a year after paying for the names nissan.com and digest.com (to start a computer magazine) -- he encountered the first sign of trouble. It was a letter from the senior counsel of Nissan Motors."

      Nissan didn't miss it, but the rules regarding trademarks and squatting were incredibly vague in the early days: Indeed, until the past year the judgements always went in favour ofthe little guy-There was basically no protection in name registrations. Now, however, that is quite a bit different now, and Nissan knows that now they might actually have a case. Hence why they didn't bother pursuing it before.

    2. Re:nissan.com by garcia · · Score: 1

      the article specifically noted that the judge said they weren't squatters.

    3. Re:nissan.com by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      If I were Uzi, I'd countersue Nissan Motors for cybersquatting the 'nissancomputer.com' domain name.

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    4. Re:nissan.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD THIS UP!

  37. Deep Fritz vs Deep Blue by Optical+Voodoo+Man · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I read this article over at USNews.com about Deep Fritz. It said that Deep Fritz did beat the same Deep Blue that beat Kasparov, but a stripped down, castrated version of it. The article claimed:

    Press releases touting this week's match boast that Fritz has beaten both Kasparov and Deep Blue. The win over Kasparov came, however, in a super fast kind of chess, where computers have a decided edge. And Fritz didn't really beat Deep Blue-it beat an early version of its software running on slower hardware.

    Do I think that there is an added value to better algorithms and pruning methods over pure computational firepower? Sure, but you need to keep in mind that now that Deep Blue has been disassembled, there is no way to get an honest, head to head comparison.

    As if it matters, I still get my but kicked by good old GNU Chess.

    1. Re:Deep Fritz vs Deep Blue by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      Sure, but you need to keep in mind that now that Deep Blue has been disassembled, there is no way to get an honest, head to head comparison.

      I guess Kasparov gets the last laugh then, since Deep Blue is dead.

      Too young to be murdered that way... :-)

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    2. Re:Deep Fritz vs Deep Blue by jackb_guppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One thing to remember...

      Deep Blue was being "adjusted" nightly. So a computer plus 6 people were playing on one side of the board.

      Yes, Deep Blue won, but to me, it was not a machine vs man... Deep Blue was being debugged.

  38. more Weird info by Monkelectric · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The entry in Symantec is "W32.Bugbear@mm" ... My brother saw me looking at the symantec alert and told me that "mm" stands for Monster Manual (some kind of D&D book), and that Bugbear is a specific monster in that manual ...

    So who is naming these viruses? :)

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    1. Re:more Weird info by damiam · · Score: 1
      As you can see, many worms have "mm" in their name. I believe it stands for "mass mailing".

      Most viruses are named for some identifying comment in their source code (Klez), or for one of their characteristics (Loveletter).

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    2. Re:more Weird info by scubacuda · · Score: 2
      So who is naming these viruses? :)

      Nerds like us...

    3. Re:more Weird info by bfree · · Score: 2
      I hate to say that this doesn't make much sense: from the Monster Manual
      Bugbear
      FREQUENCY: Uncommon (20% likelyhood of encounter in a region or area it is likely to inhabit)
      NO. APPEARING: 6-36
      NO. OF ATTACKS: 1
      SPECIAL DEFENSES: Nil
      INTELLIGENCE: Low to Avergae (low)
      ALIGNMENT: Chaotic evil
      SIZE: L (7'+ Tall)
      They also live in loose bands, have a leader when in groups of over 12. They look clumsy but are able to move with great speed and stealth surprising their opponents 50% of the time! They live for about 75 years.
      So the only aspects of our virus that appear to be shared with the AD&D monster is that they are surprising (50% of the time), chaotic, evil and have only a low level of intelligence! If it is named after this monster they goofed bigtime. May I suggest they do as I do and find that old photocopied version of the Monster Manual they still have lying around though they haven't looked at it for 12 Years!
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  39. Yup. Go is for real men. by llimllib · · Score: 1

    It's true. Real men program where there's no effective evaluation algorithm. Regardless of the massive search space for go, there's no way to accurately judge a position (hence no minimax or a-b pruning); in a year you can become as good as the best go program out there.

  40. Excerpt if slashdotted! ;) by xintegerx · · Score: 1

    Not a 'cybersquatter'

    The judge ruled early on that Hooters wasn't a "cybersquatter," the name for Wildlife speculators who catch sought-after birds in about 30 places a year, hoping to resell them for hundreds or thousands of dollars.

    Hooters(R) applied for trademark in 1994, a company which was founded in 1991. Grand opening was in 1996.

    The World Wildlife Fund (WWF) didn't sue until 1999, but the judge said that five-year wait wasn't too long because WWF was too busy suing the-now "World Wresting Entertainment" company because they overrated the impact the Internet would have on business.

    "By 1999, HOOTERS(R) restaurants had transformed into an essential marketing tool, with the ability to reach millions of potential customers throughout the United States and around the world," Pregerson said.

    The court said HOOTERS altered their newest promotional materials at that time to add advertisements to drive traffic and money to the World Wildlife Fund web site.

    "Clearly, HOOTERS(R) was capitalizing upon the traffic that was coming to HOOTERS(R) restaurants in search of the Wildlife Fund," Pregerson said.

    ~xintegerx

  41. stooopid users by quarter · · Score: 1

    Remember the good old days when we used to laugh at the people that thought they could get viruses (viri, whatever) from email?

    1. Re:stooopid users by mgblst · · Score: 2

      I remember telling people that you could only get viruses from running an exe or com file. You can't get it from reading a text document. Then boot sector viruses came out. Then macro viruses came out. Then email viruses came out.

  42. Re:Yup. Go is for real men. qjkx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you separate minimax and pruning? One is generating the tree, the other is optimizing it. Ha, the geek equivalent of showing a stain on your shirt.

  43. the human formerly known as nissan by reconn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, at least his first name isn't already taken or anything.

    I wish there was a band called Uzi Nissan. I'd totally be into them.

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  44. WTF -- Mozilla rendering that CNN link WIDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like ~anti-klerck is writing that CNN's webpage so that content renders very wide.

    Is that a Mozilla bug or shitty HTML?

  45. Re:I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *slap!* Godammit, I said no TEETH!

  46. Nisan Vs Nissan by Viceice · · Score: 1

    Isn't there prior judgement in the case Maggie Vs Maggie where food company lost to little because the guy wasn't cybersquating?

    I remember this was featured a while back on /.

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  47. How bad can it be? by dissonant7 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I mean really, Bugbears only have 3 hit die. Roll for initiative!

  48. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by Cato+the+Elder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since neither Hebrew nor Arabic is written with Latin characters, I find the "it's the name of a month" argument rather weak. Furthermore, the owner of www.nissan.com is incorporated in the United States, where "Nissan" cannot be considered a common word

    As far as the "waiting until 1999" argument goes, it sounds like Nissan is claiming he didn't infringe until 1999 when he started linking to car sites, meaning he was generating revenue based on visitors who were looking for www.nissanmotors.com.
    I think this argument holds water.

    However, the remedy the company is asking for is way out of proportion. Nissan Motors should be granted an injunction against www.nissan.com being used to adverstise cars.

  49. In fact, it's an even more certain death... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Which reminds me of the shooting spree near DC.

  50. Japanese... by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Informative

    nissan can mean "daily output" or "daily visit" or, and this may be a stretch "2, 3" I searched for it here: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/jwb/ wwwjdic?1C

    1. Re:Japanese... by akihabara · · Score: 1

      Actually, it means none of the above. If you know the characters, it is clear it means "made in Japan".

      akihabara

  51. Entire Shuttle video here by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Quicktime from space.com (6.7 MB)

    Just the tank camera, no cutaways, all the way from launch to SRB seperation.

    Play it fast (hold the frame advance button down) for another cool view of the whole launch in about 15 seconds.

    1. Re:Entire Shuttle video here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Just a note for those that view this, I saw the video live not in quicktime format, and the quality was really good on the video. This quicktime movie makes it look like it was an X10 quality camera.

      They did this same thing for the recent Atlas V rocket launch, and the footage was spectacular then too.

    2. Re:Entire Shuttle video here by Radioheadhead · · Score: 1

      *Thank you* for posting the Quicktime file--NASA only provides RealMedia files, and I'll be damned if I'll install that again! hate the way it wrestles for control of your media files ...

      Can anyone tell me what the fat dark line in the upper part of the screen is? starts out looking like a shadow but it's way too long. Thanks.

    3. Re:Entire Shuttle video here by dan_linder · · Score: 1

      If we are both referring to the same thing, that line would be the shadow of the exhaust plume.

      Dan

  52. "Nissan Cars" by Urthpaw · · Score: 1

    Why isn't Nissan forced to use the name "Nissan Cars"? Only the Nissan family can use "Nissan" on its own. Otherwise, they would dilute the value of a name that's built up a reputation over many generations!

  53. That's OK. by (void*) · · Score: 2

    It's for lobotomies.

  54. A rundown of the various options by yerricde · · Score: 2

    If you read through all the things listed maybe you would realise some people _can't_ install microsoft's patches because of there EULA requirements.

    Let's see...

    Unpatched windows: Bugbear.

    Patched windows: No bugbear, but all your file are belong to Microsoft.

    LindowsOS: Different enough from the Win9x and WinNT lines that it may not catch the same viruses. Definitely comes with a mailer that's not susceptible to the iframe bug.

    Fourth option. Fifth option. Sixth option. Seventh option.

    Choose the one most appealing to you.

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    Will I retire or break 10K?
  55. n/s by U+R+TEH+SUX · · Score: 0

    n/m

  56. Re: Give me a break...(Nissan) by CFrankBernard · · Score: 1

    [My first /. post]
    re: "Kodak" may mean something in another language...
    dictionary.com says: "1 entry found for nissan: the seventh month of the civil year; the first month of the ecclesiastic year (in March and April)"
    And it has been so and also recorded in dictionaries *way* before the Internet.
    I went to
    http://www.nissanusa.com/global/contactus/ContactU sApplication/1,9375,,00.html
    and
    http://www.ncchelp.org/How_Can_you_Help/how_can_yo u_help.htm
    and sent this email:

    "Formerly Dear Nissan Motors,
    I have a white Nissan pickup with the word Nissan written in large black letters on the back. After reading about your lawsuit with the rightful owner of www.nissan.com, I am greatly embarrassed to have a Nissan. I plan on displaying a sign in my back glass that says 'Nissan is stealing nissan.com! See ncchelp.org'

    By the way, why the @*#! didn't you go after and/or use www.nissanmotor.com ? It looks like the blank website of a cyber squatter:
    nissanmotor.com
    Registrant: Cha Sang Woo
    816 Yeonam-Dong Buk-Gu Ulsan KOREA
    Domain Name: nissanmotor.com
    Registrar: NETPIA.COM, INC.(http://www.ibi.net)
    Record created on........: 29-Dec-2000 EST.
    Record expires on........: 29-Dec-2003 EST.
    Record last updated on...: 11-Jul-2002 10:04:29 EST."

  57. What would a judge say? by kylef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just because his name is Nissan doesn't mean that he has the exclusive rights to any property with "Nissan" attached to it. He already owns nissan.net as well. Let's look at it from an independent judge's perspective:

    Both sides want nissan.com. Why? They either feel that:
    A. nissan.com will get more traffic and thus generate more revenue than some alternative, or
    B. nissan.com is more representative of their company's name

    As for A, what would cause nissan.com to get more traffic than "nissanmotors.com" or "nissancomputer.com"? People around the world recognize the Nissan brand name. Common sense would dictate that an overwhelming percentage of traffic seen to nissan.com [i]stems from that recognition, which Nissan (the car company) has carefully cultivated and paid for since 1933 when Nissan was incorporated in Japan[/i]. To continue to grant Mr. Uzi Nissan a monopoly on the domain "nissan.com" to promote his own company would be to allow his company to capitalize on the name recognition he did not establish. This fact does not seem to be in dispute. (Mr. Nissan would add, however, that the coincidence of his name should not be held against him.)

    As for B, both sides feel THEY have the right to use the name Nissan, and they do. As it happens, Mr. Nissan was first to claim nissan.com. Nissan Motors, however, was clearly the first to stake out recognition of "Nissan" as a brand name. Which one should legally be priority?

    It is fair to say that Mr. Nissan knew that registering nissan.com would be disputed by Nissan Motors. He chose to register nissan.com anyway, and it must be assumed that he did so because he felt he would be better served by nissan.com than nissancomputers.com or something else. It is also fair to say that he knew that by picking nissan.com he would receive more traffic to his address than a small computer store in North Carolina would normally receive, and that this traffic is a result of the name conflict with Nissan Motors.

    Nissan Motors clearly has more at stake in its name than Mr. Nissan has in his company. Forcing Mr. Nissan to relocate to a different address will have some cost, but this cost is small compared to the potential commerce that is being impeded by the naming mismatch. Clearly, the public does not expect to get Nissan Computer Corp of Raleigh, NC when they type "www.nissan.com" into their web browsers.

    The cost to commerce as a whole must be taken into consideration, and weighed against the cost to Mr. Nissan for relocation.

    Judgment? plaintiff [Nissan Motors] may use nissan.com, but must pay a reasonable fee for costs of relocating Mr. Nissan's site.

    1. Re:What would a judge say? by Alpha-net · · Score: 1

      Corprate Amerika is far to affective in flexing it's muscles in the legislative system, it's up to Judges to make clear headed decisions that aren't based on who has the most money to spend. When you do a google search for Nissan you come up with 3 unsponsored links to Nissan Motors and the 4th entry is clearly labled Nissan Computer Corporation. Not only that he provides instruction in the description to get to NissanDriven.com. Above and beyond the call of duty, IMHO.

      Leave the guy alone, I say. And if it must go to court, he certainly should win, and be compensated for his trouble. He owns it, he uses it and he shouldn't have to sell it unless he chooses to. Period.

    2. Re:What would a judge say? by sconeu · · Score: 2

      I'm not arguing the merits of the case. I'm disputing the OP's comment that he obviously held out for large amounts of money, since it went to court. Even the court agreed he wasn't a 'squatter.

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    3. Re:What would a judge say? by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      Nissan did not even use the name Nissan in Japan until 1933 and in the US until a couple of years after the VW Rabbit came out. They were called Datsun which some Nissan exec decided was too confusing since dat means "fast rabbit" in Japanese and therefore obviously (to the Nissan exec, anyway) Datsun means "Son of Fast Rabbit." In Japan they were originally called Datson but son means "to lose money" so they changed the name to Datsun. No, I did not make this up. This is what happens inside a company that is starting to export and has to build a brand name that is at least benign in all markets where you are trying to sell (US brand Puff's tissues tried to enter the German market, for example, where puff is a term for a whorehouse).

      Nissan is a trademark. To keep the trademark valid, you must defend it. Plaintiff let the domain name slide for too long. And IIRC, trademarks only apply within an industry. Computers and Automobiles have not quite converged yet. Nissan.com stays with the computer industry.

    4. Re:What would a judge say? by PurpleBob · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've only taken Japanese for five weeks, but that's enough to know that your analysis of "Datsun" is BS. You may not have made it up, but someone obviously did.

      "Datsun" is three characters in hiragana: da tsu n. "Dat" is not a well-formed Japanese word. "sun" is not pronounced like English "sun", and does not mean "son". Amazingly enough, you seem to be correct that "son" means something like "to lose money" (WWWJDIC has it as "loss; disadvantage"), but if the name were "Datson" it would break up as "da tso n", and there's no such syllable as "tso".

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    5. Re:What would a judge say? by Skjellifetti · · Score: 2, Informative

      The DAT part comes from the names of the original backers: Kenjiro Den, Rokuro Aoyama and Meitaro Takeuchi when the company was formed in 1911. The son part was the name of their 2nd car (1918) the Datson which was an amalgam of DAT and the English word son so the 2nd car was named "Son of DAT." And dat, according to the business press at the time, can mean either "very fast" or "fast rabbit." The problems with the name stemmed from this mixture of Japanese and English. This was very well reported in the US car mags and business newspapers at the time of the name switch from Datsun to Nissan as would be expected. A car like the Datsun Z having its makers name change is a very big deal in automotive circles. One reason why they sold under the original Datsun name in the US was that they did not know how the US market would react to their cars and did not want to risk the Nissan mark if their cars had been a failure. But they had a very savvy exec (Yutaka Katayamain) in the US who understood US consumers and had the Z series designed from the ground up for the US market. Katayamain had earlier started Nissan's racing program. I'll stand by my earlier post.

  58. Re:Chess (OT) by HorsePunchKid · · Score: 2
    I use AcronymFinder. I'm sure E2 has this kind of thing, but when you're just looking for an acronym, AF is probably quicker ;).

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    Steven N. Severinghaus
  59. -1, missed spelling-nazi moderation by FatSean · · Score: 1

    file-ownership is determined upon installation of a modern Microsoft operating system. All your anti-MS posts are belong to punk-kitty.

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    Blar.
  60. Deep Fritz? by thelinuxking · · Score: 2

    Is this some kind of "trusted computing"/Palladium version of Earth, created by Microsoft, to answer the question "What is the meaning of life, the universe, and Microsoft?

    If it is...I want a copy of that OS...it doesn't crash for seven billion years! However, a product flaw causes lazers to vaporize the hardware when it does crash...

    1. Re:Deep Fritz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you get it all wrong. It will crash every 42nd day. A flaw in a security update will cause the lasers to obliberate it in 7 billion years.

  61. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by sasami · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since neither Hebrew nor Arabic is written with Latin characters, I find the "it's the name of a month" argument rather weak.

    Erm... if you want to take that tack... "Nissan" in Japanese isn't written with Latin characters either.

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    Freedom is not the license to do what we like, it is the power to do what we ought.
  62. Re:Moderation of "Dad, please switch to a real os" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you nanogator, or a friend of his?. i could never work it out....

  63. Re:Moderation of "Dad, please switch to a real os" by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 1

    He's my friend. He sits a couple of cubes down from me. We trade amusing/interesting posts back and forth.

  64. Nissan Motors - cybersquatters? by B.D.Mills · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    [The car company] has registered the domain name nissancomputer.com, and Dutcher said the company will give that Web address to Uzi Nissan if he's ordered to turn over his domains to the car company.

    Looks like Nissan Motors are cybersquatting to me ... what do you think?

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    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
  65. Datsun by Perdo · · Score: 2

    "Datsun was used for passenger cars. However in 1982 the corporate name "Nissan" started being used for all new lines for passenger vehicles too"

    "U.S. District Judge Dean D. Pregerson is expected to decide by November whether the coveted Internet addresses go to the automaker or stay with the man who's used his family name on a succession of businesses -- from mobile auto repair to exporting to computers _ since he came to Raleigh two decades ago."

    Who started using the name first? I'll bet this guy is more than 20 years old, which is how long Datsun has been using the name Nissan.

    If Datsun changed it's name to Nissan after this guy went into business, he could have a case for taking the entire use of the name from them.

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    If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.

  66. Actually, they both have rights to it by SupahVee · · Score: 2
    IIRC, Nissan motors has been around for quite a long time in Japan, since the 40's I think. And the only reason that some of us remember it as 'Datsun' was that the original Nissan management decided not to use their prestigious Nissan name when the idea of shipping imports to America came up. The Daughter Company (Datsun) was given nissan's blessing, but they had to use their name instead. Then, after quite some time of acheiving moderate success in America, Nissan took back the Datsun name, and they all became Nissan cars.


    So technically, they BOTH have rights to the name, perhaps even equal rights to it. The guy should probably get to keep it, but come on, he should have known Nissan would come calling when he hit 'submit' on NetSol's website way back when. The judge should do something creative - like disallowing BOTH of them from using the name, he gets to use www.nissancomputers.com, and Nissan has to use www.nissancars.com.

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    "See, we plan ahead! That way, we never have to do anything now."
    1. Re:Actually, they both have rights to it by swordgeek · · Score: 2

      It's true that both have approximately equal rights to the name. Given that, it seems like access to a domainname should be allowed on a first come, first served basis.

      Furthermore, consider the nature of the web in 1994. Netscape 0.9 BETA was only released in October of that year, and was optimised for 14.4kb modems. Microsoft was busy trying to write Windows 4.0, which still (at that point) didn't have a built-in TCP/IP stack. Not many people were expecting the web to be much more than then next generation of usenet. Corporate trampling of individuals seemed to be a lot less aggressive (and a lot less) than it is now. Cybersquatting didn't even exist yet, and if the possibilty occurred to someone, it certainly didn't seem likely that the ruling bodies would be owned by corporate interests in five years.

      Furthermore, Nissan Cars didn't twig onto the internet for five years! Things picked up very quickly, and they should have taken action before 1999, if they wanted to be taken seriously.

      FURTHERMORE, this is not, and never has been a cybersquatting issue, since Uzi Nissan has, since the very beginning, acted in good faith. In other words, the names have been used to promote his businesses of the same name, and those businesses have strung back to before he registered the domains.

      On his website, Uzi Nissan has a pointer to the Nissan Motor Co. Nowhere in my brief perusal could I see the huge rant against Nissan that I'd be tempted to post.

      Basically, both entities started with roughly equivalent rights to the name. Uzi Nissan has done everything right; whereas Nissan Motor has done everything wrong, and is now trying to use the courts to fix their blunders.

      My verdict goes 100% to Uzi Nissan.

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      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
  67. What Do I do now.... by Exnihilo+Mundus · · Score: 1

    since Micro$oft has put in all the nice DRM goodies in their updates, I don't want to apply any of the patches. However, that leaves me vulnerable to the things that the patches are supposed to 'fix'. *sigh* I guess my Windows machine is screwed either way....(wanders off to go install Mandrake 9 on his Linux Box :)

  68. Nasa Footage by Drath · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is probably posted already buy you can view this video on Space.com Here.

    It's pretty sweet.

    1. Re:Nasa Footage by GRW · · Score: 1

      No you can't. It is only available in two proprietary formats that cannot be used unless you spend a lot of money on a proprietary, closed source, non-free operating system.

  69. Re:Deep Fritz and Mr Spock by ArmorFiend · · Score: 1

    I remember a trek episode where spock diagnoses the computer is malfunctioning because earlier that week he'd programmed it to play 3d chess, and now he was able to beat his own program. I guess in the far future programming languages are really really good. Man in the real world I can outplay my own programs far too easily. :P

    Then again Spock was WAY overrated at 3d chess. Kirk beat him routinely using "illogical" moves. Wait until he plays my little sister, she's the master of illogical moves!

  70. I thought that if a domain name WAS your name... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2

    I thought that if you registered your last name as a domain name that no one else could take it from you..because it's YOUR NAME! Am I wrong here? Seems to me that HE has more right to HIS OWN NAME then some car comapny does...especially when they were Datsun for many years BEFORE they changed their name to Nissan!

  71. Any common sense or respect left out by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    there ? A REALLY simple HONEST answer would be for BOTH sites to place a nice visible link on each site with a little goodwill plug for each other. They are not in competition, and if the issue is not REALLY money but name recognition and family honor that should suffice. But of course we all realize common sense went the way of the dodo and the tazmanian tiger....

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    errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
  72. Finally some Justice for Nissan Motors by Ferguson · · Score: 0

    This is a clear and cut case where Nissanmotors is in the right. No reason why that man should be able to capitalize off of the years and $$$ Nissanmotors has spent branding its trademark. Just because you share the name doesn't give you the right to piggyback.

  73. A solution to corporate domain names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Corporations should only get their stock ticker as a domain name and name servers would provide a list of possible matches based on the search term.

    1. Re:A solution to corporate domain names by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 1

      Doesn't do a whole lot for private companies, does it?

  74. Who is responsible ?! Who is responsible ?!! by velco · · Score: 1
    the health care industry needs to go to Microsoft with a joint NDA (nondisclosure agreement) and indemnification agreement, requiring Microsoft to hold their HIPAA-compliant customers harmless should patient information be leaked via this mechanism.

    These morons are not worried at all about the patient's information, they seek way to cover their fscking ass.

    ... secretly breaks the multimedia software and/or revokes access to our patient's data, thus damaging our patient care, who is responsible?

    And again "who is responsible" ! In other words "we don't give a shit if the patient dies, as long as we are not held responsible" !

    1. Re:Who is responsible ?! Who is responsible ?!! by Mac+Degger · · Score: 1

      Well, you guys kinda made that situation happen all by yourselves...sueing doctors left and right, just because you tripped in the hospital or the scar is more than a .mm wide.

      So of course they're covering their arses...as well as there being a shortage of doctors, because the students don't want to be in such a high-risk-of-being-sued-for-jack-all proffession.

      Now you get to sleep in the bed you made.

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      -- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
  75. That's an unfair comparison. by fmaxwell · · Score: 2

    I can, for instance, look at a picture of my wife and identify her as my wife in a fraction of a second. The best image-recognition software in the world can't reliably do even that simple task.

    That's extremely unfair since no computer has a wife (or husband). We all know that computers can't get married to people -- possibly explaining why so many of the guys on Slashdot are single.

  76. A true geek... by scubacuda · · Score: 2
    ...would ask for more mod points. :b

  77. Windoze Sucks. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Sing to the tune of "Who's afraid of the big bad wolf."

    Verse 1:

    Mi-cro-soft is a piece of shit,
    A piece of shit,
    A piece of shit,
    Mi-cro-soft is a piece of shit,
    La la la la la

    Verse 2:
    Win-doze is a piece of shit,
    A piece of shit,
    A piece of shit,
    Win-doze is a piece of shit,
    La la la la la

    Voiceover:
    I'll HUFF and I'll PUFF and I'll MAKE your computer crash!

    This is because Microsoft does not worry about making their products work right. They have this enormous cash cow. All they have to do is make the graphics stupider, put more bugs in, and release it as the great new operating system that will save the day. And then the IDIOTS who use that piece of crap software wonder why bad stuff happens to their data.

    LISTEN UP PEOPLE! There is an alternative! Or, more accurately, there ARE alternatives! PLURAL! All you have to do is get Linux or *BSD! Big successful companies like IBM and Apple are supporting these great systems! There is a TON of software out there for them! So yeah, you might not have all the whiz-bang UGLY *G*A*R*B*A*G*E* that comes with that piece of *G*A*R*B*A*G*E* , uh, what's it called? Oh yeah--WINDOWS. That piece of GARBAGE!!! Use free software. Make those evil people that make the garbage go out of business! That will bring joy and happiness to the world!!!

    Ok, well maybe it ain't happening in the next two weeks. Ooooooooh well. It's nice to dream about it. TIME FOR ANOTHER BEER (as in free)!

  78. There's a long history of NASA doing this by hayden · · Score: 2
    When they discovered that ball point pens don't work in micro-gravity, NASA spent millions developing one that did.

    The Russians, when faced with the same problem used a pencil.

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    1. Re:There's a long history of NASA doing this by wossName · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, right.

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  79. Clueless rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wether a platform spreads email-viruses or not has NOTHING to do with that platform and everything to do with the email-client.

    If Microsoft builds MS Outlook for Linux, the potential to undermine Linux is so great I'm surprised they have not already done this. ;-)

  80. Clicking 'I accept' ... by vrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... doesn't not a legally binding contract make. Mainly because there is no way to prove whether you were the one who clicked it. This is why EULAs have never stood up in court (at least in the EU). The only way they could be made legally binding is for the software company to insist you return a signed form before allowing you to run setup.exe.

    1. Re:Clicking 'I accept' ... by Green+Light · · Score: 1

      Not only can they not prove who clicked the button, but they cannot be assured that the person who clicked "I Agree" or whatever could actually read the text. They might just be clicking whatever button "looks right" to get to the next screen. As far as I know, most software does not require you to be literate in the EULA.

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  81. M$ - Shooting one's self in the foot. by tundog · · Score: 0

    Doesn't this seem a little ironic. M$ software is historically flawed whenn it comes to security. The way M$ resolves these flaws is with patches. The problem is that the language in the EULAs is turning people away from installing the patches. The end result is that M$ software sucurity as an internet entity, over time, becomes inherently more insecure because of the increasing number of discovered exploits and the decreasing rate of patch compliance.

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  82. Latinised spellings. by N+Monkey · · Score: 2

    Since neither Hebrew nor Arabic is written with Latin characters, I find the "it's the name of a month" argument rather weak.

    FWIW, in Turkish which does use Latin characters, the word for April is also pronounced "Nissan" but is spelled "nisan". (English obviously needs the double 'S' to stop the "i" from becoming a long sound).

    Besides, the guy is not trying to sell cars under the name of Nissan, just computers. Seems to me to be similiar to the Apple (records) vs Apple (computer). It's easy enough to distinguish the companies because they are in totally different markets.

  83. Apologies.... by N+Monkey · · Score: 2

    As far as the "waiting until 1999" argument goes, it sounds like Nissan is claiming he didn't infringe until 1999 when he started linking to car sites, meaning he was generating revenue based on visitors who were looking for www.nissanmotors.com.

    Oops! Sorry, I missed that bit in the OP (makes note to self to drink some more coffee).

  84. 3rd game -- Kramnik won. With _black_ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    [Event "Brains in Bahrain Man-Machine Match"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "2002.10.08"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Deep Fritz"]
    [Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [ECO "C45"]
    [PlyCount "100"]
    [EventDate "2002.10.04"]
    [SourceDate "2002.10.04"]

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nxc6 Qf6 6. Qd2 dxc6 7. Nc3 Ne7
    8. Qf4 Be6 9. Qxf6 gxf6 10. Na4 Bb4+ 11. c3 Bd6 12. Be3 b6 13. f4 O-O-O 14. Kf2
    c5 15. c4 Nc6 16. Nc3 f5 17. e5 Bf8 18. b3 Nb4 19. a3 Nc2 20. Rc1 Nxe3 21. Kxe3
    Bg7 22. Nd5 c6 23. Nf6 Bxf6 24. exf6 Rhe8 25. Kf3 Rd2 26. h3 Bd7 27. g3 Re6 28.
    Rb1 Rxf6 29. Be2 Re6 30. Rhe1 Kc7 31. Bf1 b5 32. Rec1 Kb6 33. b4 cxb4 34. axb4
    Re4 35. Rd1 Rxd1 36. Rxd1 Be6 37. Bd3 Rd4 38. Be2 Rxd1 39. c5+ Kb7 40. Bxd1 a5
    41. bxa5 Ka6 42. Ke3 Kxa5 43. Kd4 b4 44. g4 fxg4 45. hxg4 b3 46. Kc3 Ka4 47.
    Kb2 f6 48. Bf3 Kb5 49. g5 f5 50. Kc3 Kxc5 0-1

  85. Wasn't a fair match. by TheLink · · Score: 2

    In the Deep Blue vs Kasparov match, they had _people_ tweaking and tuning Deep Blue between matches.

    That's unfair. It's like playing against a different unknown opponent for each game. Worse it's actually playing against a team of people aided by a powerful machine.

    The Kramnik vs Fritz match seems fairer.

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  86. Maybe Fritz Can Locate Bin Laden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's put that machine to good use- how many caves-per-second can this thing do?

  87. Why is "cybersquatting" wrong? by mangu · · Score: 2
    In the beginning, corporations didn't know about the web, they just ignored it. Then someone invented a way of making money on the web. How is that different from any other invention?


    The rules for registering domain names have been made public since the beginning. Companies had the option of defending their trademarks from the start, if some of them didn't believe the internet could be a source of profits, that's their problem. If company managers have been too lazy to keep abreast of the technology, they should pay for it now, registered domain names are "intellectual property" and should be treated as such.

    1. Re:Why is "cybersquatting" wrong? by pulski · · Score: 1

      The problem comes when people register a domain with the intent of selling back to a company for more than they paid for it. This caused people to register every domain they could think of, and makes it harder to find a short, meaningful domain.

      IIRC, the rules were changed to try to help with this problem. If it is clear that a domain was registered with the sole purpose of being sold to a company for profit, you can lose your claim to that domain. However, if you happen to have a corporation's domain name and use it for another purpose, nobody can "take" the domain away.

      Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't kept up on things that well on the net in the last couple of years.

  88. file-ownership under XP by yerricde · · Score: 1

    file-ownership is determined upon installation of a modern Microsoft operating system.

    More specifically, upon installation of Microsoft Windows XP, the user agrees to an End User License Agreement. One reading of the Windows Media Player EULA implies that Microsoft reserves the right to leave a backdoor in the NTFS permissions that reveals significant portions of the contents of your hard disk.

    Not to mention "My Computer", "My Documents", etc.

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  89. Yes, but... by tkrotchko · · Score: 2

    Deep Fritz uses the G4 processor.

    As Apple keeps telling us, you can't compare simply by specs. Some computers are just faster no matter what the numbers say.

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    You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
  90. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by suicidal · · Score: 1

    Simply give NissanMotor.com the option of having a link to their site on his page. ...Perhaps you were looking for Nissan Motors.... Nissan should, of course, pay for this link. He registered his own family business long ago. The fact that it is, and has been his family name for generations SHOULD exhonerate him. Its ridiculous that one cannot own a domain of one's own name. (unless it's already taken, of course).

  91. Motor Company's argument by mary_will_grow · · Score: 0

    >The auto company didn't sue until 1999, but the >judge said that five-year wait wasn't too long >because Nissan didn't initially know the impact >the Internet would have on business.

    >"By 1999, the Internet had transformed into an >essential marketing tool, with the ability to >reach millions of potential customers throughout >the United States and around the world," .Pregerson said.

    Isnt this saying, "The domain name is a valuable marketing tool?" So how does that MAke nissan motor corp's case any better? If I found a huge oil supply in my back yard, could Mobile come take it because it would be valuable for their business? I dont understand their argument at all. If its SO damn valuable for business, how can they possibly defend taking this VALUABLE domain name from another business, just because it isnt as BIG as Nissan Motor Company? This case is _important_.

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  92. Re:The problem with domain names by AB3A · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A friend of mine pointed out that Domino.com could be easily claimed by any one of several companies: A pizza company, a sugar company, or a software company.

    This is a very sordid and very nasty issue. If you want a view from the front lines look here.

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  93. What really scares me is.. (Nissan vs Nissan) by Hut_Mul · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "We've always seen this case as protecting the Nissan brand and not about money," he said. "What we are saying is the word Nissan by itself is our registered trademark and we're the only ones with the right to use the name Nissan by itself."

    Our society has come to the point where a corporate name that has been around only 20yrs or so can come along and demand that a person cannot use his last name, which has been around for 100's of years.

    That's sick

  94. Nissan? Oh, you mean Datsun by CaptainCap · · Score: 1

    The Nissan brand name is so valuable that they wouldn't risk it when they first sold cars in America, waiting until the name change cost multi-millions of dollars. Same spineless company.

  95. Re:Great... english is the only language in the wo by the+bluebrain · · Score: 2

    From the Salon acticle, Nissan-the-man's POV on the advertising:

    "In 1999 we had 23 advertisers on our site," he continues. "Three of them were auto-related companies. [Nissan Motors] is claiming they were automotive companies. But none of them were selling or were in the business of selling cars or car accessories."

    Dunno it it's true, of course, but that's what the judiciary is for.

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  96. feedback to: webmaster@NissanUSA.com. by markwusinich · · Score: 1

    An open letter to: webmaster@NissanUSA.com.

    Can you tell me how to get a hold of
    the Nissan Computer company? I know
    it's located in Raleigh NC USA and I
    thought that I could find it by typing
    NISSANUSA.COM. But instead I got a
    Japanease Car company? What gives you
    the right to highjack this name?

    Could you e-mail me the link to the
    Nissan Computer company? BTW I checked
    nissan computer.com but I think
    someone is cybersquatting on that name,
    trying to convince Mr Uzi to pay them
    for it. Any thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Mark

  97. Similar case, won by the big boys ... by Radioheadhead · · Score: 1
    Here is a similar story from last year, where the mega-corp prevailed--

    Briefly: German domain-name squatter snaps up "Shell.de." The German division of Royal Dutch/Shell negotiates to buy it in 1996, but won't pay the freight, and drops the matter. Couple years later Andreas Shell, owner of a publicity and translation business, buys the domain name (I'll bet the price had dropped a ton now that the oil giant had taken a pass), and set up his Web site.

    Then Shell Oil tried to win in court what it lost in negotiations, and sued for the rights to the domain name. Astonishingly, the German high court ruled in the oil giant's favor. The judge's decision is full of flip-flops--on the one hand, he says everyone has the right to the domain name of his own name, whether for personal or business use--then he contradicts himself and says that such a right evaporates when you look at the relative sizes of the two. His ruling was based in part on what he conjectured the average user would expect when surfing to that site.

    Why couldn't the judge have simply ordered Herr Shell to prominently display a link to Shell Oil on his Web site?

    I'm not so conservative as to hold the "ownership is nine-tenths of the law" kind of views, but that, plus the fact that it was the guy's *name*, for heaven's sake, makes me think this was a really rotten decision. I'm sorry that I can't see a better or fairer way to award domain names than first-come-first-served, squatters be damned.

  98. Unusual Repetition by Iainuki · · Score: 1

    While Slashdot has a habit of repeating stories, this is the first time I think I've seen Slashdot link an article discussing an issue first raised in an Ask Slashdot.

  99. Good Chess is More than Mere Calculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not going to get into all these arguments about the "fairness" (or unfairness) of the competition between Kramnik and Deep Fritz. The terms of the match were agreed to (by both sides) prior to the commencement of play, so it's moot.

    I do have a general idea of how computers play chess versus how humans play chess and why computers are strong in some areas, (i.e. calculating tactics in very sharp positions), and weak in other areas such as inducing positional weaknesses, (i.e. weak squares, a "bad" bishop, or saddling their opponent with an isolated pawn.) Against really top notch competition like Kramnik, inducing the machine into making a positional error is tantamount to winning the game. In fact, this appears to be exactly what happenned in yesterday's Game 2. At move 12, Deep Fritz committed a terrible blunder: It returned a bishop, which it had previously moved, back to its original square! This is the kind of error a human player (especially a player of Kramnik's caliber) would NEVER make. As soon as Deep Fritz made this move, Kramnik probably knew he was going to win the game.

    Artificial intelligence researchers first began to tackle "the chess problem" back in the late 1950's. In fact, a noted AI researcher, Herbert Simon of Carnegie-Mellon University, made the following "prediction" in 1957: "A digital computer will be the world chess champion within ten years - unless they change the rules of chess." Many computer scientists and programmers have attempted to "solve" the chess problem - and failed. Many of those who have taken on this challenge have reasoned that, bottom line, chess
    ultimately boils down to a matter of calculation. "All we have to do," they have thought, "is get the machine to 'see' one move 'deeper' than the human sees." "Once we achieve that, the machine will (naturally) triumph."

    At first glance, this kind of reasoning would seem to make sense. However, the really good chess players - certainly all Masters and Grand Masters - have long understood something that the AI folks don't quite get: Chess (really good chess) is more than a matter of mere calculation. It has only been recently, (say in the last ten to fifteen years), that computer scientists and programmers have started to realize that brute force alone (raw computing power) is not enough. Several computer scientists who have worked on this problem - Dr. Hans Berliner of Carnegie-Mellon University, a former postal chess champion and highly rated master - argue that more "chess knowledge" and knowledge-based heuristics will have to be integrated into these programs before they have a realistic chance of beating the best human players. (What Dr. Berliner - and others - are really saying is that chess playing programs are going to have to learn how to play more "human like" chess if they hope to prevail against the likes of Kramnik and the top human players.) Unfortunately for the AI folks, programming "human like" qualities - such as intuition, judgement, or just the sense that "this is the right move" - is a very difficult thing to "teach" to a computer. (It is interesting to note that computers do poorly [against top human competition] in two other popular games which have high "human intuition" factors: Poker and Bridge.)

    A lot of computer scientists, (such as the three young men who programmed IBM's Deep Blue), continue to believe that brute force alone will eventually prevail. This unwavering belief that "brute force alone" will be enough was the illusion that hindered Dr. Hsu's thinking. (Hsu was Deep Blue's primary design engineer.)

    The machines are getting faster and faster all the time - able to calculate more "positions per second" - and thus see "deeper" into each position; so brute force may indeed eventually prevail. Others think brute force alone will never be enough. As with all things, time will tell.

  100. Re:Yup. Go is for real men. qjkx by llimllib · · Score: 1

    How can you separate minimax and pruning? One is generating the tree, the other is optimizing it.

    Seems you just sepearated it to me. A-b pruning is one particular method of pruning a minimax tree. Quoting Norvig & Russell from "Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach":

    "The particular technique we will examine [for pruning a minimax tree] is called alpha-beta pruning"

  101. Re:Chess QWZX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please look into what you attempt to correct, on the off chance that the people who brought it to your attention know more about it than you do.

    Sheesh, how about YOU actually know what you're talking about. The Deep Blue that played Kasparov was DISMANTLED. Any Deep Blues that are around now are lesser machines.

    Looking through your posts, do you actually know anything about ANYTHING? The amount of ignorance you have on so many subjects is astounding. Yet you actually believe you know something about them.

  102. Game 4 is a DRAW (PGN) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Event "Brains in Bahrain Man-Machine Match"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "2002.10.10"]
    [Round "4"]
    [White "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
    [Black "Deep Fritz"]
    [Result "½-½"]
    [ECO "D34"]
    [EventDate "2002.10.10"]
    [SourceDate "2002.10.10"]

    1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.g3 Nc6 6.Bg2 Nf6 7.O-O Be7 8.Nc3 O-O 9.Bg5 cxd4 10.Nxd4 h6 11.Bf4 Bg4 12.h3 Be6 13.Rc1 Re8 14.Nxe6 fxe6 15.e4 d4 16.e5 dxc3 17.exf6 Bxf6 18.bxc3 Qxd1 19.Rfxd1 Rad8 20.Be3 Rxd1+ 21.Rxd1 Bxc3 22.Rd7 Rb8 23.Bxc6 bxc6 24.Rxa7 Rb2 25.Ra6 Bd2 26.Rxc6 Bxe3 27.fxe3 Kf7 28.a4 Ra2 29.Rc4 Kf6 30.Kf1 g5 31.h4 h5 32.hxg5+ Kxg5 33.Ke1 e5 34.Kf1 Kf5 35.Rh4 Kg5 36.Re4 Kf5 37.Rh4 Kg5 38.Kg1 Kg6 39.g4 hxg4 40.Rxg4+ Kf5 41.Rc4 ½-½

  103. Round 5: Kramnik lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Event "Brains in Bahrain Man-Machine Match"]
    [Site "Manama, Bahrain"]
    [Date "2002.10.13"]
    [Round "5"]
    [White "Deep Fritz"]
    [Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "A00"]
    [EventDate "2002.10.13"]
    [SourceDate "2002.10.13"]

    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 0-0 7.e3 Ne4 8.Bxe7 Qxe7 9.cxd5 Nxc3 10.bxc3 exd5 11.Qb3 Rd8 12.c4 dxc4 13.Bxc4 Nc6 14.Be2 b6 15.0-0 Bb7 16.Rfc1 Rac8 17.Qa4 Na5 18.Rc3 c5 19.Rac1 cxd4 20.Nxd4 Rxc3 21.Rxc3 Rc8 22.Rxc8+ Bxc8 23.h3 g6 24.Bf3 Bd7 25.Qc2 Qc5 26.Qe4 Qc1+ 27.Kh2 Qc7+ 28.g3 Nc4 29.Be2 Ne5 30.Bb5 Bxb5 31.Nxb5 Qc5 32.Nxa7 Qa5 33.Kg2 Qxa2 34.Nc8 Qc4?? 35.Ne7+ 1-0

  104. Progress by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 2

    So as you see, Microsoft did innovate!

    RMN
    ~~~

  105. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

    THE LESSER-KNOWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES #14 -- VALGOL

    VALGOL is enjoying a dramatic surge of popularity across the
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    Variables are assigned with the =LIKE and =TOTALLY operators. Other
    operators include the "California booleans", AX and NOWAY. Loops are
    accomplished with the FOR SURE construct. A simple example:

    LIKE, Y*KNOW(I MEAN)START
    IF PIZZA =LIKE BITCHEN AND
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    VALLEY GIRL =LIKE GRODY**MAX(FERSURE)**2
    THEN
    FOR I =LIKE 1 TO OH*MAYBE 100
    DO*WAH - (DITTY**2); BARF(I)=TOTALLY GROSS(OUT)
    SURE
    LIKE, BAG THIS PROGRAM; REALLY; LIKE TOTALLY(Y*KNOW); IM*SURE
    GOTO THE MALL

    VALGOL is also characterized by its unfriendly error messages. For
    example, when the user makes a syntax error, the interpreter displays the
    message GAG ME WITH A SPOON! A successful compile may be termed MAXIMALLY
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