Yeah, I hardly think that means more people TRUST Microsoft with security. Seriously, if you think Microsoft is secure, I have a bridge in San Francisco that I will sell you....
That's like Paris Hilton saying "Yeah, I'll do you". It's meaning less. Dell isn't going to do anything for Apple, so, why sell the OS to Dell then?
Apple would be way more likely to go with HP or Sony. As long as Steve is in charge, Apple will have high standards on what will run OS X. It won't be some DULL box with no style.
I can't see Apple using some generic PC board in a production Macintosh. They WILL use a board that they design, and it won't be like a PC board. As the above poster stated, Apple doesn't need to support Legacy crap.
Just because the development machine is a standard PC, doesn't mean that the shipping product is going to be one. The development machine is to just get developers started in getting their code working on Intel powered machines. And Steve Jobs did say they would want them back (the machines). So, I'd think that in 6 months, a lot of Developers are going to be asked to send back the machines and receive real Intel Macs before they become available to the public.
"It sounds like they intend to use some of Intel's fancy-schmancy new chipsets that have DRM built into them and are tailored to specific needs: This one for Apple, and maybe the RIAA & MPAA set."
And you heard about this DRM stuff where? There has been NO mention of this.
"Then Apple will have instructions in the startup process (launchd?) to look for the Apple specific key encoded in the Intel hardware, and it will die if it fails."
Having a key in the Intel Hardware? Doubt it. Why don't we wait till one comes out. I'd imagine that Apple will have some sort of motherboard design that has custom Apple chips and whatnot.
"Finally, future version upgrades might be 'upgrade only' so that your $129 doesn't get you a bare-metal installable OS, just a launch-from-the-finder or launch from the BIOS OS improvement package. The only way to get the new version of OS X might be to have the old version of OS X that came pre-installed on your Apple hardware."
Where in the hell did you come up with this idea? Apple has NEVER done anything like this. You are absolutely stupid.
"It might be hackable, but then again, it might not. By crafting the OS and hardware together, even on commodity architecture, Apple maintains the ability to create sufficient interlocks, interdependencies, and failsafes to prevent ramant redistribution of their OS, something MIcrosoft has never had."
Apple's stuff simply works better on Apple's stuff. I remember the days when one could run Macintosh on an Atari ST. I had one of these. Sure, it worked (kinda), but it was a huge hassle and was not really as good as the real thing.
"Two things that remain to be seen: is not opening OS X to commodity boxes the same mistake that not allowing clones was"
What? How was doing away with Clones a mistake? Apple's business has been HUGE since the clones have gone. HUGE. Do some research guy. Stop blowing smoke out your ass.
"and will Microsoft care if Apple starts selling dual core systems that can run NT or Longhorn kernel programs without the Windows desktop/Windows explorer?"
What? Where did you come up with this? If anything, Microsoft would SELL Virtual PC (which it owns NOW) as a product to allow OS X to run Windows.
Seriously.......unplug for the Microborg collective.
Hey, here is an idea. GO TO THE Apple Store and play with one. Hell, if you want to buy a car, they don't let you install a new car ontop of your OLD car and then hope that you'd come back and pay for it.
Seriously, good thing you didn't use a real name chickenshit.
You are totally wrong. The whole point of a Mac and Macintosh are the way the hardware and software work together. Having Mac OSX out there to have some idiot install on his Dell or homebrewed computer would totally defeat the purpose.
Until Apple has a Intel powered Mac out, I'd imagine that OS X will run on anything with supported hardware. However, if you check some of the MacRumors sites (thinksecret.com, MacRumors, Apple Insider to name a few), the general opinion is that they will use a different BIOS
Apple also makes excellent hardware designs. How about a Dual P4 iMac in a case the size it currently is? Apple is about hardware and software. Moving to Intel just means that they will be just as fast as anything you can get Windows to run on.
Oh God, go cry me a river. I think as long as the X-Ray is used just to screen people to make sure there is nothing dangerous on their body, that is fine. How you can even go off on that Rant about losing ones self.....is that a true story or something? Autobiography perhaps?
Fingerprints are one thing. Somehow, I don't see any push for a national x-ray database. Why should everyone else have to pay for some idiots bad decisions? Hey, I racked up $25K in debt. I joined a Credit Counseling program, and 4 years later, it's down to $2500. Running away for a problem never solves anything.
Back to the X-Rays. It's like driving. Everyone thinks they should have the RIGHT to drive. It's not a right people, it's a privilege. Flying is the same thing. You don't have to fly. If one of the rules to fly is you get X-rayed, so be it....
Look, there are plenty of other modes of transportation. Trains, cars, boats. If I have to go through an X-ray to make flights safe, so be it. If someone is going to get off on X-rated X-rays. So be it.
I can't imagine X-rays being used as porn, but whatever.....
Exactly. It looks dumb, and you are left with a......."who in the hell is that?" feeling.
It's great that Anakin comes back from the dark side, but Episodes IV to VI are about Luke, not Anakin. It's almost like Lucas is trying to get back at Mark Hamil or something.....
Unless you consider that maybe they started one, and then started the other while the first was started. Though if you figure that Luke Skywalker was say 18 at the time of Episode IV, then the it took 16-18 years to do the little part of the Death Star that was left? How long did it take to build total? 50-70 years? How long does it take to build one of those Super Star Destroyers?
It really makes me think Lucas didn't watch his original movies, and write down stuff. Time lines, etc, etc..........
A person really needs to go out on Ebay, find the ORIGINAL 3 movies that are unaltered, and watch those. Then watch Episodes 1-3.
I watched the "new" versions of Episodes IV to VI, and I was appauled. The ending, where Obi-wan, Yoda, and Darth was altered! WTF. So you have, old Obi-wan, old Yoda, and young Darth? WTF!
I found most all the "effects" added to distort the movie. Thank GOD my parents have it on Laser Disc. I must transfer it to DVD ASAP.
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Um, well, she is like a building. Lots of people have spent the night there ;-)
Yeah, I hardly think that means more people TRUST Microsoft with security. Seriously, if you think Microsoft is secure, I have a bridge in San Francisco that I will sell you....
Just bring a raincoat or two ;-)
Apple would be way more likely to go with HP or Sony. As long as Steve is in charge, Apple will have high standards on what will run OS X. It won't be some DULL box with no style.
Isn't it called Neverland??
Think Apple designed board with an Intel chipset powering it. And of course Intel making it.
I can't see Apple using some generic PC board in a production Macintosh. They WILL use a board that they design, and it won't be like a PC board. As the above poster stated, Apple doesn't need to support Legacy crap.
Just because the development machine is a standard PC, doesn't mean that the shipping product is going to be one. The development machine is to just get developers started in getting their code working on Intel powered machines. And Steve Jobs did say they would want them back (the machines). So, I'd think that in 6 months, a lot of Developers are going to be asked to send back the machines and receive real Intel Macs before they become available to the public.
And you heard about this DRM stuff where? There has been NO mention of this.
"Then Apple will have instructions in the startup process (launchd?) to look for the Apple specific key encoded in the Intel hardware, and it will die if it fails."
Having a key in the Intel Hardware? Doubt it. Why don't we wait till one comes out. I'd imagine that Apple will have some sort of motherboard design that has custom Apple chips and whatnot.
"Finally, future version upgrades might be 'upgrade only' so that your $129 doesn't get you a bare-metal installable OS, just a launch-from-the-finder or launch from the BIOS OS improvement package. The only way to get the new version of OS X might be to have the old version of OS X that came pre-installed on your Apple hardware."
Where in the hell did you come up with this idea? Apple has NEVER done anything like this. You are absolutely stupid.
"It might be hackable, but then again, it might not. By crafting the OS and hardware together, even on commodity architecture, Apple maintains the ability to create sufficient interlocks, interdependencies, and failsafes to prevent ramant redistribution of their OS, something MIcrosoft has never had."
Apple's stuff simply works better on Apple's stuff. I remember the days when one could run Macintosh on an Atari ST. I had one of these. Sure, it worked (kinda), but it was a huge hassle and was not really as good as the real thing.
"Two things that remain to be seen: is not opening OS X to commodity boxes the same mistake that not allowing clones was"
What? How was doing away with Clones a mistake? Apple's business has been HUGE since the clones have gone. HUGE. Do some research guy. Stop blowing smoke out your ass.
"and will Microsoft care if Apple starts selling dual core systems that can run NT or Longhorn kernel programs without the Windows desktop/Windows explorer?"
What? Where did you come up with this? If anything, Microsoft would SELL Virtual PC (which it owns NOW) as a product to allow OS X to run Windows.
Seriously.......unplug for the Microborg collective.
Seriously, good thing you didn't use a real name chickenshit.
Apple isn't looking to go strictly into the software business. They are HARDWARE and SOFTWARE.
Until Apple has a Intel powered Mac out, I'd imagine that OS X will run on anything with supported hardware. However, if you check some of the MacRumors sites (thinksecret.com, MacRumors, Apple Insider to name a few), the general opinion is that they will use a different BIOS
Apple also makes excellent hardware designs. How about a Dual P4 iMac in a case the size it currently is? Apple is about hardware and software. Moving to Intel just means that they will be just as fast as anything you can get Windows to run on.
Seriously. I haven't seen it anywhere, and I have been looking too. I do expect it to show up soon, in the next week or so......
Ha! Funny stuff there!
Two names, Timothy and Zonk.
I'm sad that we are leaving PPC. I love my PPC macs. But, where the Steve goes, we follow.
It's still not porn. Are you planning to wack off to it?
Fingerprints are one thing. Somehow, I don't see any push for a national x-ray database. Why should everyone else have to pay for some idiots bad decisions? Hey, I racked up $25K in debt. I joined a Credit Counseling program, and 4 years later, it's down to $2500. Running away for a problem never solves anything.
Back to the X-Rays. It's like driving. Everyone thinks they should have the RIGHT to drive. It's not a right people, it's a privilege. Flying is the same thing. You don't have to fly. If one of the rules to fly is you get X-rayed, so be it....
But it is an X-Ray.......unless you get off on skeletons..........
I can't imagine X-rays being used as porn, but whatever.....
It's great that Anakin comes back from the dark side, but Episodes IV to VI are about Luke, not Anakin. It's almost like Lucas is trying to get back at Mark Hamil or something.....
I hope the rumor of 3 more POST episode VI movies is just that. I can't imagine how much more Lucas can do to fuck up the series.
It really makes me think Lucas didn't watch his original movies, and write down stuff. Time lines, etc, etc..........
I watched the "new" versions of Episodes IV to VI, and I was appauled. The ending, where Obi-wan, Yoda, and Darth was altered! WTF. So you have, old Obi-wan, old Yoda, and young Darth? WTF!
I found most all the "effects" added to distort the movie. Thank GOD my parents have it on Laser Disc. I must transfer it to DVD ASAP.
No no, they were too busy posting duplicate stories to go see it.