Apparently not. Even for the Hubble telescope it's not that easy, and I've got the pictures to prove it.
Sorry, but the caption of that picture states:
It was taken in 1972 from the Apollo 17 Command Module, America, orbiting about 100 kilometers above the Moon's surface
Anyways, I havent seen any picture taken from earth or space that shows proof of the lunar landings, it could be an interesting project, since it should be (relatively) cheap to send a hi-res camera in a satelite to orbit the moon...
The idea is that all the new developments must be released under the GPL. That stops the "Kerberos disease". Nobody can "embrace and extend" the software developed for the government.
There are presumably a lot of open source apps that cannot be used in Venezuela because they are licenced under terms that are not GPL compatible
You are wrong. The software developed for the government (by contractors or government agencies) must be GPL. The OS and platform must be open source whenever possible.
If there isnt an open source alternative, a propietary one will be used, but this only applies for the pre-built technologies. All the new development must be released using the GPL.
The idea is that all software _must_ be GPL, but it can be dual licensed like mozilla.
The main idea behind it is that the goverment will provide a sourceforge-like repository to keep and manage all the government systems. That guarantees the continuity of the development (you would be surprised if you knew all the systems that are un-mantained in our governemnt, and cant be because the original contractor ran away).
It also seems like a fair policy: if the software development is being funded using the contributors money the contributors should have access to the code
In that scenario (and in my school's freshman CS classes, which is where I got the idea), what would be useful would be a utility that parses valid JavaDocs, and outputs a subsequent Java class with all of the data members declared, and the methods stubbed out, like reversing the javadoc util.
Try XDoclet for that. Its still in beta, but a lot of people (including me) use it for production.
My previous employer had a strict rule concerning code: you first write the JavaDoc for all the project, then implement it. It's useful as hell... and if you mix that with UML design before the documentation, its a killer technique.
OOP technology has generated more confusion than almost any other computer technology. For example, many OOP "experts" claim that most companies are either not using OOP properly, or are not taking advantage of OOP. Experts also say that there is a long learning curve before many people grasp the power of OOP; that its benefits can't really be taught, at least not understood, from a book. It has almost become like Particle Physics, in which only a small elite group appears to understand it properly, and everybody else needs years of meditation and practice.....
Ironically, OOP is sometimes billed as "better fitting the way people think". Years of meditation and study to learn how to "think naturally"? I am thinking of setting up a $60-per-hour consultancy to teach sports fans to drink beer and belch in order to "optimize their recreational satisfaction".
This is lame... you are answering a question you posted yourself using it as an argument (the question+answer) against OOP. I can answer your question: no, OOP does not take "years of meditation and study". It takes common sense.
That's one of the problems about computing and programming, you think that if you know computing you must be a good programmer. If it takes "years of meditation" for you to understand OOP then you should quit programming.
....Further, there is a lack of consistency in modeling techniques by OOP celebrities. Methodology-of-the-week is commonplace. The lack of consistency makes it tough to make any generalizations about how OOP goes about modeling useful business applications. An OOP consultant may have to be well-versed in dozens of OO methodologies to be able to walk into a shop and perform any useful work any time soon.
I believe you are a few years behind, it's understandable from your previous comments. UML has been around for years now and is a standard. It's not a method, it's a modelling language. Whatever method you use is irrelevant, what you need a standard for is modelling.
You see, english for instance. It's a modelling standard: it uses the a-z, 0-9 and punctuation signs. What method should you use? that's up to you, you can make poems, songs, sonets, novels, etc. I bet no matter what the method you use, the people will understand your message if they know the model and you use it right.
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You are so damn right. I use KDE for everything, and they have done a wonderful job. I even was thinking about trying RedHat for my new PC, but I'll stick with mandrake... I hate mozilla and galleon... And I dont want to change the configuration to get the KDE version that comes predefined on other distros.
The thing is, if your boss feels better having expensive support thay can have it, even as the same price of the commercial products. The win/win situation comes from the fact that expensive support is a may and not a must with free software.
If you dont like tomcat you can check out Jetty. Its true that tomcat can be used as a standalone webserver, but is not designed that way.
Jetty instead is a full-featured webserver with all the functionality built in. And now that its integrated in the JBoss 3.x series you can use JBoss instead and take advantage of the WAR deployment/redeployment.
You know, you can use JBoss and if you dont need the EJB, JMS, etc functionality you just disable it and create a custom configuration.
Well, as a matter of fact everyone is qualified to review anything. The issue here is that anyone who wants to do so should be able to review any code that handles their private and critical information.
If you have a good knowledge of the area you could make suggestions and even corrections. If those corrections are added to the final product is a decision of the maintainers of the software.
It's a win/win situation. Besides, anyone here can tell you that you will write a _lot_ better code if you know that anybody will be able to see it.
Here we go again... Java has had everything C# wishes to have for several years now. MetaData and reflection _is_ in Java (as some other posters have replied a lot of times in this thread). C# may have it's good things, but you can't compare it to Java, not yet.
You are deffending the decision to teach C# in a mandatory course. If you dont learn to program in C#, you dont pass.
Lets put aside all the design flaws in the C# language (which are a lot, I use it everyday at work) like setter/getter madness, lets pretend they are in there just to ease our work, there are a _lot_ of other issues to discuss regarding the C# adoptation.
Is C# an industry standard? no How many companies are using C# in production? about 0.01% of the grand total, the rest using Java as OO language of choice. In how many OS does C# run? 1 M$'s (mono? nope) How many years has C# been in the market? not even 1.
How can you pretend to make such a language a standard at an university??? Maybe in 5 years it should be used, but now??
This is just as bad as teaching a phisics class using the last teory that just came out last week. Teaching is a huge deal, you cant just teach hypes. Maybe someday C# will be the right choice for teaching, but not now.
PS: I'm not an anti MS basher, I love some of their's products. What I hate is the monopoly.
I will not fall in the whole "metadata and reflection" crap. As a lot of posters have pointed out, you should drop that '94 java book you are reading.
As for the Sun lawsuit, I'm 100% on Sun's side, not because all languages should be propietary, but because on the other side is the M$ OS/Development/Office Suite monopoly. If you let Microsoft make a tiny small change on java, they will kill the Java version from Sun, because they will integrate it on the OS, everyone will be using Microsoft Java (which would be incompatible with Sun's) and we would have yet another great language turned VB. Both C# and Java have several defects compared to languages like occam or python. First off what is it with the semi-colons and braces? Lets get rid of them, the only reason they were ever needed was people misapplying Chomsky to develop parsers. Secondly neither language has an adequate model of parallel programming, and yes I do know all about pthreads and the like.
First: There is something called design, code maintenance and code structure. If you want to use a gibberish-language, go use perl. Java is 100% Object Oriented so is designed to "design" software, not just write programs.
Here is where the whole setter/getter crap comes in. Do you remember pascal? where procedures without parameters where called without parenthesis? when you had a long program you couldn't tell if something being assigned to a variable was a procedure or another variable. People kept using notations to sepparate procedures and variables, so, what's the point of removing the parenthesis if the users will fall back to a non standard procedure?
That same principle applies to C# "smart" getter/setters. If you have a big project you will have a lot of trouble knowing if some statement is a direct variable access or a hidden setter/getter call. You will have to run around the code to find out if you have a setter/getter for such variable. You see people making up notations again, so why dont you just keep using the all-known standard of setXXX and getXXX? well, this is M$, so they create their own standards, and everyone has to use it.
Someday M$ will com up with a car with cubed tires, and we will see the M$ appologists ranting here deffending them.
C# does have one major feature that Java does not, meta data and reflection. Now those are not features that many programmers who have not used the Lisp machine are familiar with but it is a very powerful way to program.
Please check the java.lang.reflect package in the standard J2SDK and come back to this thread. And while you are doing so check the JPDA architecture and head up to the Eclipse Project to see a ass kicking implementation of meta data and reflection.
BTW, all this was in Java a lot of time ago, if you didn't know it, that's your fault.
I would like someone to explain us what's about the getter and setter structure in C#, it's like Minority Report: Spielberg couldn't get rid of the whole AI crap completely... and MS can't get rid of the VB crap either.
Postgres can be built on linux, but you cant run it for anything serious.
And, still, you cant run the linux binaries for XFree86 under Windows.
The point is that you cant come to a discussion about OSs and defend your side arguing about which applications run where, much less using the applications developed by the creator of the OS.
I cant say "linux is better than windows because it can run linuxconf and windows not". There are a bunch of applications for linux that runs for windows, but that's thanks to the linux developers, not the windows core.
The issue here is: in almost every field (including ease of use) linux has surpassed windows.
Oh, is that right? I can run Microsoft Office then, can I? Or Visual Studio? Or any one of the other industry standard packages I need to do my job? Or is it just that it has toolbars and windows?
What a bunch of CR*P !!! WTF are you sayin??? Can you run postgres in windows? no. Can you run the linux XFree86 binaries on windows? no. You see, there is a whole world out there just waiting for you to discover it.
We are talking about OS, you are talking M$ FUD. Why do I need Visual Studio on linux?? I am a Java Developer, I dont need Visual Studio. In fact, Visual Studio would make my life a LOT worse. I dont need MS Office either, you know, a lot of people dont send.doc attachments in every e-mail.
I for one consider linux to be a LOT better that Windows. I make a living out of it, as does a lot of other people.
Linux is far better than Windows, it has been for some years now. The fact that a lot more people uses windows can be answered by some of the quotes in the Darwin Awards: "The sum of the IQs of the whole humanity is a constant. As the ammount of people grows, the more idiots there will be".
I live in a third world country, and our government is pushing towards creating standards for the the development of government software. One of the points is to require all software developed for any government instance to be Open Source, they are even considering to create a sourceforge-like repository to handle all the projects.
Why is this? well, I can see one obvious reason: all the local governments, central government instances, institutes, dependencies, etc have in one point of time developed software systems. One of the first dreams about the internet was to make all the government information available for the public, but in a disordered environment where everyone creates their own solution, using their own contractors, using their own tools and methos, you end up with a mess.
I have seen a LOT of goverment software made in tools like FoxPro, VB, Pascal, etc by people who just had little knowledge in the field (mostly just-graduated people who had a "contact" with somebody making the desicions). The issue is that if you make standards and force the solutions to be Open Source (so anybody can audit your code) you gain a lot.
I have always put the peruvian case as an example, the problem is that they got too much publicity and the big boys pushed back. Here everything is being done a lot quieter, but the end goal is almost the same.
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Holy sh*t man !!!! I never looked at it that way and I must say, you are completely right.
... hey, wait ... who are you and why are you coming trough my window !!!! stop ... stopwerjgjk4949 9090)U jiii oiwf
"The internet is nature's way to make the big corporations pay for all the evil they've done".
It just like AIDS, it's nature way for punishing mankind for all the hurt done to her.
Sounds funny, but
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What i mean is thanks God for the big corporations out there !!!
soooooooooooooooooooo funnnnnnnnnnnnny !!!!!!!!!!!
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I laughed my pants off
Apparently not. Even for the Hubble telescope it's not that easy, and I've got the pictures to prove it.
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Sorry, but the caption of that picture states:
It was taken in 1972 from the Apollo 17 Command Module, America, orbiting about 100 kilometers above the Moon's surface
Anyways, I havent seen any picture taken from earth or space that shows proof of the lunar landings, it could be an interesting project, since it should be (relatively) cheap to send a hi-res camera in a satelite to orbit the moon
Funny as hell !!!
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Thanks, you made my day
The idea is that all the new developments must be released under the GPL. That stops the "Kerberos disease". Nobody can "embrace and extend" the software developed for the government.
There are presumably a lot of open source apps that cannot be used in Venezuela because they are licenced under terms that are not GPL compatible
You are wrong. The software developed for the government (by contractors or government agencies) must be GPL. The OS and platform must be open source whenever possible.
If there isnt an open source alternative, a propietary one will be used, but this only applies for the pre-built technologies. All the new development must be released using the GPL.
BTW, i'm from Venezuela
The idea is that all software _must_ be GPL, but it can be dual licensed like mozilla.
The main idea behind it is that the goverment will provide a sourceforge-like repository to keep and manage all the government systems. That guarantees the continuity of the development (you would be surprised if you knew all the systems that are un-mantained in our governemnt, and cant be because the original contractor ran away).
It also seems like a fair policy: if the software development is being funded using the contributors money the contributors should have access to the code
In that scenario (and in my school's freshman CS classes, which is where I got the idea), what would be useful would be a utility that parses valid JavaDocs, and outputs a subsequent Java class with all of the data members declared, and the methods stubbed out, like reversing the javadoc util.
Try XDoclet for that. Its still in beta, but a lot of people (including me) use it for production.
My previous employer had a strict rule concerning code: you first write the JavaDoc for all the project, then implement it. It's useful as hell ... and if you mix that with UML design before the documentation, its a killer technique.
More like s-cocks i think ... :)
OOP technology has generated more confusion than almost any other computer technology. For example, many OOP "experts" claim that most companies are either not using OOP properly, or are not taking advantage of OOP. Experts also say that there is a long learning curve before many people grasp the power of OOP; that its benefits can't really be taught, at least not understood, from a book. It has almost become like Particle Physics, in which only a small elite group appears to understand it properly, and everybody else needs years of meditation and practice.....
... you are answering a question you posted yourself using it as an argument (the question+answer) against OOP. I can answer your question: no, OOP does not take "years of meditation and study". It takes common sense.
....Further, there is a lack of consistency in modeling techniques by OOP celebrities. Methodology-of-the-week is commonplace. The lack of consistency makes it tough to make any generalizations about how OOP goes about modeling useful business applications. An OOP consultant may have to be well-versed in dozens of OO methodologies to be able to walk into a shop and perform any useful work any time soon.
Ironically, OOP is sometimes billed as "better fitting the way people think". Years of meditation and study to learn how to "think naturally"? I am thinking of setting up a $60-per-hour consultancy to teach sports fans to drink beer and belch in order to "optimize their recreational satisfaction".
This is lame
That's one of the problems about computing and programming, you think that if you know computing you must be a good programmer. If it takes "years of meditation" for you to understand OOP then you should quit programming.
I believe you are a few years behind, it's understandable from your previous comments. UML has been around for years now and is a standard. It's not a method, it's a modelling language. Whatever method you use is irrelevant, what you need a standard for is modelling.
You see, english for instance. It's a modelling standard: it uses the a-z, 0-9 and punctuation signs. What method should you use? that's up to you, you can make poems, songs, sonets, novels, etc. I bet no matter what the method you use, the people will understand your message if they know the model and you use it right.
You are so damn right. I use KDE for everything, and they have done a wonderful job. I even was thinking about trying RedHat for my new PC, but I'll stick with mandrake ... I hate mozilla and galleon ... And I dont want to change the configuration to get the KDE version that comes predefined on other distros.
The install CD for Mandrake can boot using a "rescue" image, which mounts a full system. It's got all I need to get my system up and running again.
I dont know who should ever need this thing, most distros already have a failsafe way of booting the machine (from cd, floppy or even hd).
Well, you should check this site for JBoss support.
Or this one if you want Jetty support.
The thing is, if your boss feels better having expensive support thay can have it, even as the same price of the commercial products. The win/win situation comes from the fact that expensive support is a may and not a must with free software.
If you dont like tomcat you can check out Jetty. Its true that tomcat can be used as a standalone webserver, but is not designed that way.
Jetty instead is a full-featured webserver with all the functionality built in. And now that its integrated in the JBoss 3.x series you can use JBoss instead and take advantage of the WAR deployment/redeployment.
You know, you can use JBoss and if you dont need the EJB, JMS, etc functionality you just disable it and create a custom configuration.
I must agree 100% with you. I work as a consultant and I have helped 3 companies to switch from WebLogic to JBoss.
Everyone here should check the 3.x version, is one of the best software tools ever developed.
As if 'everyone' were qualified to do so
Well, as a matter of fact everyone is qualified to review anything. The issue here is that anyone who wants to do so should be able to review any code that handles their private and critical information.
If you have a good knowledge of the area you could make suggestions and even corrections. If those corrections are added to the final product is a decision of the maintainers of the software.
It's a win/win situation. Besides, anyone here can tell you that you will write a _lot_ better code if you know that anybody will be able to see it.
And yet another proof that all critical applications should be peer reviewed by everyone who wants.
Here we go again ... Java has had everything C# wishes to have for several years now. MetaData and reflection _is_ in Java (as some other posters have replied a lot of times in this thread). C# may have it's good things, but you can't compare it to Java, not yet.
You are deffending the decision to teach C# in a mandatory course. If you dont learn to program in C#, you dont pass.
Lets put aside all the design flaws in the C# language (which are a lot, I use it everyday at work) like setter/getter madness, lets pretend they are in there just to ease our work, there are a _lot_ of other issues to discuss regarding the C# adoptation.
Is C# an industry standard? no
How many companies are using C# in production? about 0.01% of the grand total, the rest using Java as OO language of choice.
In how many OS does C# run? 1 M$'s (mono? nope)
How many years has C# been in the market? not even 1.
How can you pretend to make such a language a standard at an university??? Maybe in 5 years it should be used, but now??
This is just as bad as teaching a phisics class using the last teory that just came out last week. Teaching is a huge deal, you cant just teach hypes. Maybe someday C# will be the right choice for teaching, but not now.
PS: I'm not an anti MS basher, I love some of their's products. What I hate is the monopoly.
I will not fall in the whole "metadata and reflection" crap. As a lot of posters have pointed out, you should drop that '94 java book you are reading.
As for the Sun lawsuit, I'm 100% on Sun's side, not because all languages should be propietary, but because on the other side is the M$ OS/Development/Office Suite monopoly. If you let Microsoft make a tiny small change on java, they will kill the Java version from Sun, because they will integrate it on the OS, everyone will be using Microsoft Java (which would be incompatible with Sun's) and we would have yet another great language turned VB.
Both C# and Java have several defects compared to languages like occam or python. First off what is it with the semi-colons and braces? Lets get rid of them, the only reason they were ever needed was people misapplying Chomsky to develop parsers. Secondly neither language has an adequate model of parallel programming, and yes I do know all about pthreads and the like.
First: There is something called design, code maintenance and code structure. If you want to use a gibberish-language, go use perl. Java is 100% Object Oriented so is designed to "design" software, not just write programs.
Here is where the whole setter/getter crap comes in. Do you remember pascal? where procedures without parameters where called without parenthesis? when you had a long program you couldn't tell if something being assigned to a variable was a procedure or another variable. People kept using notations to sepparate procedures and variables, so, what's the point of removing the parenthesis if the users will fall back to a non standard procedure?
That same principle applies to C# "smart" getter/setters. If you have a big project you will have a lot of trouble knowing if some statement is a direct variable access or a hidden setter/getter call. You will have to run around the code to find out if you have a setter/getter for such variable. You see people making up notations again, so why dont you just keep using the all-known standard of setXXX and getXXX? well, this is M$, so they create their own standards, and everyone has to use it.
Someday M$ will com up with a car with cubed tires, and we will see the M$ appologists ranting here deffending them.
C# does have one major feature that Java does not, meta data and reflection. Now those are not features that many programmers who have not used the Lisp machine are familiar with but it is a very powerful way to program.
... and MS can't get rid of the VB crap either.
Please check the java.lang.reflect package in the standard J2SDK and come back to this thread. And while you are doing so check the JPDA architecture and head up to the Eclipse Project to see a ass kicking implementation of meta data and reflection.
BTW, all this was in Java a lot of time ago, if you didn't know it, that's your fault.
I would like someone to explain us what's about the getter and setter structure in C#, it's like Minority Report: Spielberg couldn't get rid of the whole AI crap completely
Postgres can be built on linux, but you cant run it for anything serious
Sorry, i meant windows there
Postgres can be built on linux, but you cant run it for anything serious.
And, still, you cant run the linux binaries for XFree86 under Windows.
The point is that you cant come to a discussion about OSs and defend your side arguing about which applications run where, much less using the applications developed by the creator of the OS.
I cant say "linux is better than windows because it can run linuxconf and windows not". There are a bunch of applications for linux that runs for windows, but that's thanks to the linux developers, not the windows core.
The issue here is: in almost every field (including ease of use) linux has surpassed windows.
Oh, is that right? I can run Microsoft Office then, can I? Or Visual Studio? Or any one of the other industry standard packages I need to do my job? Or is it just that it has toolbars and windows?
.doc attachments in every e-mail.
What a bunch of CR*P !!! WTF are you sayin??? Can you run postgres in windows? no. Can you run the linux XFree86 binaries on windows? no. You see, there is a whole world out there just waiting for you to discover it.
We are talking about OS, you are talking M$ FUD. Why do I need Visual Studio on linux?? I am a Java Developer, I dont need Visual Studio. In fact, Visual Studio would make my life a LOT worse. I dont need MS Office either, you know, a lot of people dont send
I for one consider linux to be a LOT better that Windows. I make a living out of it, as does a lot of other people.
Linux is far better than Windows, it has been for some years now. The fact that a lot more people uses windows can be answered by some of the quotes in the Darwin Awards: "The sum of the IQs of the whole humanity is a constant. As the ammount of people grows, the more idiots there will be".
I live in a third world country, and our government is pushing towards creating standards for the the development of government software. One of the points is to require all software developed for any government instance to be Open Source, they are even considering to create a sourceforge-like repository to handle all the projects.
Why is this? well, I can see one obvious reason: all the local governments, central government instances, institutes, dependencies, etc have in one point of time developed software systems. One of the first dreams about the internet was to make all the government information available for the public, but in a disordered environment where everyone creates their own solution, using their own contractors, using their own tools and methos, you end up with a mess.
I have seen a LOT of goverment software made in tools like FoxPro, VB, Pascal, etc by people who just had little knowledge in the field (mostly just-graduated people who had a "contact" with somebody making the desicions). The issue is that if you make standards and force the solutions to be Open Source (so anybody can audit your code) you gain a lot.
I have always put the peruvian case as an example, the problem is that they got too much publicity and the big boys pushed back. Here everything is being done a lot quieter, but the end goal is almost the same.
I have grat hopes in this kind initiatives.