Outlook and IE certainly contributed to the spread of this thing, as well. IIS just happens to be another contributor. Our networks got hit simply because IE users visited infected sites and dumped crap all over our file servers running Netware.
Linux does token ring really well if you use the right adapters.
We have token ring adapters of all types. I've found the newer IBM PCI TR adapters to work best. They use the "olympic" driver included with the kernel. I have 6 Linux machines at work using these drivers and they've performed flawlessly... except when someone unplugs the cable. In that case, the box needs a reboot, but the rest of the network is fine.
I first tried the IBM PCI LanStreamer but couldn't get it to last more than a few minutes. I'm guessing there's a problem with the buffers that freezes up the interface. I tried one of the newer Olympic cards on a whim, and haven't looked back.
If you have REALLY ancient equipment, the Tropic-based 16/4 TR Adapter/A (long and short version) is known to work on Microchannel machines. I've put together one of these and had it running as a TR-to-ethernet router for a while.
All this stuff can be gotten on eBay or elsewhere for dirt cheap.
I haven't tried the Madge or Olicom cards, but we have plenty of IBM cards, so I've stuck with those.
Terrorists responsible for the recent attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have also cleverly managed to DDoS all the major news websites.
CNN, ABCNews, MSNBC, and Yahoo are all practically inaccessible.
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Another perfect example of how you get the car/RDBMS that best suits your purpose.:)
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Heh... MySQL just barely got transaction processing. And there's not support for stored procedures. Sorry, but it doesn't hold a candle to DB2.
That's like saying you should trade in your Cadillac Escalade for a Geo Metro.
It'll never happen. There's too much shared intellectual property. Some LPPs (packages) have 10 or more copyright statements attached to them. All that OSF and USL code is still in there.
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This doesn't make sense. The machines are not the same hardware. Also, if AS/400's are shipping with Linux then this is news to me. RS/6000's, OTOH, have been shipping with Linux for a while now.
Yeah, there is a political divide between the two groups, but I don't see any of them going anywhere anytime soon.
IBM did this last year with AIX 5L. AND, it'll run on PPC, x86, and IA64. This was IBM's fork of the fabled Monterrey project (Unix' most promising vaporware) which died as soon as SCO got bought. I guess SCO's fork is just now coming out.
Of course, when I submitted the story, it got rejected.
Why is this important? Does it really matter what OS everyone else is using? If these reports are affecting your IT decisions, then you have bigger problems.
It should be about what solution is best for the task at hand. Every installation is different. If everybody implements your solution on Windows, but it looks like it's really best served by OS/2, which do you install?
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If you got your head out of that BSD ass, you'd see there's the whole world of home PC users (i.e. consumers) that don't really care if their box will run Oracle in a colo rack. That's what this article is about... not those Fortune 500 companies that don't need to be hosting Oracle on PC's anyway.
Imagine a $300 machine supported by the likes of Sony and AOL that will enable people to do all the things they want to do on their PC (play games, surf the web, write term papers). I'm sure my Mom would go for that. Plus, as a bonus, it would serve as the first real competition MS has had on the consumer desktop since Apple sold the Mac out.
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I have a 55SX (386SX-16MHz, 8MB RAM, 80MB ESDI HD) running Linux right next to me here that I plan to set up as a firewall as soon as those microchannel ethernet cards come in...
Originally, this was my entry in a competition at work for the suckiest PC that could run Linux. At the time it only had 4MB RAM (8MB swap). It still had enough memory to install LILO (barely) and host telnet and ftp sessions. I won.:)
Thanks to its minimal configuration and exotic hardware (ESDI, MCA, token ring) it was a bitch to install. I had to create a custom kernel and bootdisk and there's no CD-ROM so I had to do an NFS install. I can't imagine using a distro other than Slackware on this thing.
It's funny this should come up because Slackware is now in a situation where their distributor just dropped them and they now rely on donations. They're still a for-profit company, but nobody seems to have a problem with donating to them. It probably helps that Slackware consists of only 4 people, but that shouldn't be relevant.
Basically, Slackware is now optional shareware. What's wrong with Mandrake doing the same? As long as it's optional, what does it matter?
Redhat comes along, takes the free download and incorporates it into their product. So does SuSe, Caldera, Slackware and Corel.
Great for the community.
Not so great for IBM who is out a billion research bucks with a $0 ROI.
Bull.
Do you think the only way IBM is going to make money from Linux is by selling it? IBM has made it clear that they have no plans on entering the Linux vendor market.
Where they WILL make money is from products that use Linux...
On the software end, there's products like DB2 and WebSphere which while they aren't part of Linux, they do run on that platform. IBM has an interest in improving the Linux platform so that they can offer it as a platform for these products.
On the hardware end, IBM in the old days mainly saw software as not much more than a selling point for their hardware. The commodity PC revolution changed that, but some of that attitude remains. IBM has stated that they plan to make all of their platforms capable of running Linux. They're using the freely available Linux software to leverage their hardware sales.
A perfect example of this is the help they put into porting the Linux kernel to S/390. Because of this, now anyone can install as many Linux images on an S/390 that will fit. This is great for the customer because it's like having a beowulf cluster in a box. It's great for IBM because it's a great selling point for this rather expensive machine. If they had made their kernel extensions proprietary, they wouldn't sell nearly as many of these systems.
Because of the risk IBM has taken in adopting Linux the way they have, they have a considerable interest in helping Linux succeed, whether they directly profit from it or not.
By the way, IBM has a similar model with Microsoft. They offer lots of solutions based on Microsoft operating systems. Because so much of their product line depends on Microsoft, they have developers on their payroll with access to Windows source whose job is to help make Windows better. The IBM Center for Microsoft Technologies (formerly known as the Kirkland Programming Center) is located a stone's throw away from the Microsoft campus at Redmond. Because they have a nice chunk of the Windows market (both hardware and applications), it stands to reason that the more Windows systems sell, the more IBM will make from their chunk, even though they don't make money from the OS itself.
Um... Solaris ain't free.
Sure, it's free if you're installing it on a box at home and not doing anything with it. However, for most businesses, this is not free enough.
Well, it depends. Different banks go to different providers who use different products on the backend.
I've heard, however, that most are based on OS/2 running on old PS/2 hardware (think 55SX with a 386 processor).
OS/2 may not be on your Mom's PC or running the company website, but rest assured, it's alive and well doing stuff like ATM machines, retail systems, store kiosks (like those wedding registry things you see at Target) interfaces for complex machines (our tape jukebox has an OS/2 based controller), and other mundane things that you don't even realize have a computer inside of them because they're so stable.
Next time you go to the mall, count how many computers you see. I'd bet there's more than you think and some of them are running OS/2.
We use Notes here at CharBroil, and are glad we do every time we hear about yet another Outlook virus on the loose.
One great thing about Notes is that you can platform the Domino server on just about anything. What can you Outlook users do when you get tired of running Exchange on NT?
So, what are the hardware specs on these machines? We've already seen an IBM SP beat a human. I'm wondering what other architectures will have a crack at it this time...
Well, the beauty of a capitalist society is that we, the consumers, are responsible for our own buying decisions. Sales forces always have and always will bend and shape facts to make their customers buy their products. It's not the government's job to see through all that. That's OUR job.
I haven't bought a P4 because I actually do my research before I buy parts for my PC. I also don't feel sorry for the people who did buy them and are getting crappy performance.
Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware. It's in latin because it's a VERY old saying that has held true for ages.
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Who said IIS was the only bad guy?
Outlook and IE certainly contributed to the spread of this thing, as well. IIS just happens to be another contributor. Our networks got hit simply because IE users visited infected sites and dumped crap all over our file servers running Netware.
That's why the CD case inside the box has a sticker seal on it telling you to read the EULA first.
No, they're 4 per rack cabinet with 16 processors each. ASCI White has 128 node cabinets for a total of 512 nodes and 8,192 375MHz POWER3 processors.
Linux does token ring really well if you use the right adapters.
We have token ring adapters of all types. I've found the newer IBM PCI TR adapters to work best. They use the "olympic" driver included with the kernel. I have 6 Linux machines at work using these drivers and they've performed flawlessly... except when someone unplugs the cable. In that case, the box needs a reboot, but the rest of the network is fine.
I first tried the IBM PCI LanStreamer but couldn't get it to last more than a few minutes. I'm guessing there's a problem with the buffers that freezes up the interface. I tried one of the newer Olympic cards on a whim, and haven't looked back.
If you have REALLY ancient equipment, the Tropic-based 16/4 TR Adapter/A (long and short version) is known to work on Microchannel machines. I've put together one of these and had it running as a TR-to-ethernet router for a while.
All this stuff can be gotten on eBay or elsewhere for dirt cheap.
I haven't tried the Madge or Olicom cards, but we have plenty of IBM cards, so I've stuck with those.
And so it begins...
Something like this happens, and suddenly we're more willing to be lax on our liberties.
We can't let events like this damage the values and ideals that we live by. If we do, then they win.
Terrorists responsible for the recent attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon have also cleverly managed to DDoS all the major news websites.
CNN, ABCNews, MSNBC, and Yahoo are all practically inaccessible.
Another perfect example of how you get the car/RDBMS that best suits your purpose. :)
Heh... MySQL just barely got transaction processing. And there's not support for stored procedures. Sorry, but it doesn't hold a candle to DB2.
That's like saying you should trade in your Cadillac Escalade for a Geo Metro.
Release AIX under the GPL?
It'll never happen. There's too much shared intellectual property. Some LPPs (packages) have 10 or more copyright statements attached to them. All that OSF and USL code is still in there.
This doesn't make sense. The machines are not the same hardware. Also, if AS/400's are shipping with Linux then this is news to me. RS/6000's, OTOH, have been shipping with Linux for a while now.
Yeah, there is a political divide between the two groups, but I don't see any of them going anywhere anytime soon.
IBM did this last year with AIX 5L. AND, it'll run on PPC, x86, and IA64. This was IBM's fork of the fabled Monterrey project (Unix' most promising vaporware) which died as soon as SCO got bought. I guess SCO's fork is just now coming out.
Of course, when I submitted the story, it got rejected.
Great job, you guys. I didn't even notice. :)
Where can I get Quake 3 for Linux? It's not on the Loki website anymore. :(
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It's already in -current.
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It should be about what solution is best for the task at hand. Every installation is different. If everybody implements your solution on Windows, but it looks like it's really best served by OS/2, which do you install?
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Imagine a $300 machine supported by the likes of Sony and AOL that will enable people to do all the things they want to do on their PC (play games, surf the web, write term papers). I'm sure my Mom would go for that. Plus, as a bonus, it would serve as the first real competition MS has had on the consumer desktop since Apple sold the Mac out.
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Originally, this was my entry in a competition at work for the suckiest PC that could run Linux. At the time it only had 4MB RAM (8MB swap). It still had enough memory to install LILO (barely) and host telnet and ftp sessions. I won.
Thanks to its minimal configuration and exotic hardware (ESDI, MCA, token ring) it was a bitch to install. I had to create a custom kernel and bootdisk and there's no CD-ROM so I had to do an NFS install. I can't imagine using a distro other than Slackware on this thing.
50 bucks ain't too bad for a hardware firewall.
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Basically, Slackware is now optional shareware. What's wrong with Mandrake doing the same? As long as it's optional, what does it matter?
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Bull.
Do you think the only way IBM is going to make money from Linux is by selling it? IBM has made it clear that they have no plans on entering the Linux vendor market.
Where they WILL make money is from products that use Linux...
On the software end, there's products like DB2 and WebSphere which while they aren't part of Linux, they do run on that platform. IBM has an interest in improving the Linux platform so that they can offer it as a platform for these products.
On the hardware end, IBM in the old days mainly saw software as not much more than a selling point for their hardware. The commodity PC revolution changed that, but some of that attitude remains. IBM has stated that they plan to make all of their platforms capable of running Linux. They're using the freely available Linux software to leverage their hardware sales.
A perfect example of this is the help they put into porting the Linux kernel to S/390. Because of this, now anyone can install as many Linux images on an S/390 that will fit. This is great for the customer because it's like having a beowulf cluster in a box. It's great for IBM because it's a great selling point for this rather expensive machine. If they had made their kernel extensions proprietary, they wouldn't sell nearly as many of these systems.
Because of the risk IBM has taken in adopting Linux the way they have, they have a considerable interest in helping Linux succeed, whether they directly profit from it or not.
By the way, IBM has a similar model with Microsoft. They offer lots of solutions based on Microsoft operating systems. Because so much of their product line depends on Microsoft, they have developers on their payroll with access to Windows source whose job is to help make Windows better. The IBM Center for Microsoft Technologies (formerly known as the Kirkland Programming Center) is located a stone's throw away from the Microsoft campus at Redmond. Because they have a nice chunk of the Windows market (both hardware and applications), it stands to reason that the more Windows systems sell, the more IBM will make from their chunk, even though they don't make money from the OS itself.
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I've heard, however, that most are based on OS/2 running on old PS/2 hardware (think 55SX with a 386 processor).
OS/2 may not be on your Mom's PC or running the company website, but rest assured, it's alive and well doing stuff like ATM machines, retail systems, store kiosks (like those wedding registry things you see at Target) interfaces for complex machines (our tape jukebox has an OS/2 based controller), and other mundane things that you don't even realize have a computer inside of them because they're so stable.
Next time you go to the mall, count how many computers you see. I'd bet there's more than you think and some of them are running OS/2.
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One great thing about Notes is that you can platform the Domino server on just about anything. What can you Outlook users do when you get tired of running Exchange on NT?
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I haven't bought a P4 because I actually do my research before I buy parts for my PC. I also don't feel sorry for the people who did buy them and are getting crappy performance.
Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware. It's in latin because it's a VERY old saying that has held true for ages.
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