I already gave you chapter and verse. You're mocking me, now, calling me a Troll just to insight me. I won't fall into that trap.
Like I said earlier, Jesus said I would be called a Troll when he said I would be persecuted for his name's sake. When you call me a Troll, you are CONFIRMING his PROPHESY! Think about THAT!
I wasn't being RUDE to anyone! I am warning people not to endorse ham-fisted laws like letting you put SUCK in your URL, because it can be DANGEROUS, and even send you to HELL if used wrong.
I'm on Your Side! I don't want you to go to HELL!
I don't mind being called a Troll. Jesus said that I would be mocked and persecuted for HIS NAME'S SAKE. When you call me a Troll, you are just confirming JESUS'S PROPHESY.
Matt 12:30-39 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad. "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
The Gift of Tounges is from the HOLY SPIRIT, so if you talk bad about them, you BLASHPHEME the SPIRIT! It's all there in red, white and black, my friend.
I'm sure I would bother God if I were a troll, but I'M NOT. Just because I can tell a blasphemer, and a blaspheming situation when I see one, EVEN ONLINE (God is not mocked, my friend), that makes me a Troll?
I Pray in toungues, but I don't punctuate in them. I was really caught up in what I was saying. It's very personal to me.
Also, be careful. Mocking the gift of Toungues is blasphemy, and unforgivable too. The Holy Spirit is like a fragile butterfly, and when you mock him, he gets scared and flies away, never to return.
Great, so I get slapped for expressing my views on this open forum? That's just where this is all going. First, you can't say SUCK in an URL. Then you can, but you're in danger of HELL. Then, the one person speaking The Truth gets called a Troll!
What is wrong with you people! Slashdot has gone downhill!
How proud will you be when you die and go to Hell, man? C'mon, the EVIDENCE of God and Jesus and Heaven and Hell are ALL around you!
I might not agree with Bush's ham-handed lack of TRUE religion either, but I do know this: At least he's trying, and he probably won't go to HELL with all the athiests.
People DON'T have the right to practice other religions that are WRONG, because they have the potential to get ME into trouble. Let's say, for instance, that someone who worships SATAN is having illicit sexual relations in their car while driving down the highway. I try to pass them (going the speed limit or less, of course), and he jerks and side-swipes me! Even my dashboard Christ can't save me then!
He ends up going to HELL, sure, but what about ME? I could be hurt! I'm not ready to visit Jesus in Heaven yet.
People who don't worship right should be put somewhere else so they can't hurt the rest of us who know THE TRUTH!
And if you don't think there's a HELL now, you will, buddy, you WILL.
Everyone rallies behind the great lawyers who "defend" your speech, but did you ever consider that by doing so, you might go to HELL?
Think about this: You defend the rights for someone to have SUCK in their URL, and someone might make a site like www.JesusSUCKS.com. What will you do then? Where will your liberties be THEN?
Don't even get me started on sites like www.TheHolySpiritSucks.com. That's blasphemy - the UNForgivibale SIN! The person who makes that site, registers the domain, hosts it, and even LOOKS at it is in DANGER of going to Hell!
Is your freedom here on this temporaral Earth worth your eternal SOUL?
Think, PEOPLE! I know I'll get modded down for this, but I'm tired of seeing articles like this that don't take into consideration the DANGER that is involved by GOD-Hating Anti-Americans!
So far most of the comments have been from people who either poo-poo the idea, think FreeBSD or some other *nix has already done it, don't want to compile all their own software, or have a similar idea of their own. But have any of you actually *tried* this distro? If so, speak up! What is your experience with it?
Let's stop reviewing the review and the concept, and actually review the distro for god's sake.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I've actually already tried that. It wasn't too bad. I've even got their instructions printed out on top of my "test computer" from when I did it last time. There are a few "tricks" you have to do, according to them, to make it work. The full article is here.
I've got ISOs for both Progeny and Debian 2.2r4, so I think I'll give it another shot, and do it all locally this time to save some speed.
I'm pretty convinced that Debian is the best thing out there right now, but the frustration of the install and configuration was becoming a barrier to learning more about Linux itself, so I abandoned it a while until I learned more.
Debian should not scare you, and apt-get is the answer to your needs.
I agree with you. It only scares me because it is such a bear to install and configure.
I've actually tried (on a friend's suggestion) to install Progeny, then update to Woody. It worked "so-so".
I'm hoping that in the near-future, Debian will be able to incorporate many of the "ease of use" enhancements from Progeny into their main distro. If Debian had the easy installation of RedHat or Mandrake, it would be unstoppable.
I agree with much of what you're saying. I have a comment above that addresses some of these issues.
My personal view of Linux is as an alternative to Microsoft. Being free is great, but it's not the whole reason. I'm helping one company I work for migrate to Linux-based solutions, saving them tons of money. I hope to convince them to invest some of their savings in development of more Linux software, or improvements on some of the open source software they will be using. That's key for me: Enjoy your savings, but help by reinvesting some of it back into the community.
What do you think would be a reasonable fee to pay for a service like this? Or how do you think that the service should be implemented if you don't agree with charging for something like this?
See, there's the catch. I don't know what a better solution would be, or what it should cost. Part of the problem, like someone mentioned in an earlier post, is that it's hard to take something that you are giving away for free and start charging for it. Especially when there are so many people who are providing similar services (up2date, MandrakeUpdate, etc.) that are still free (as in beer).
I don't think it's worth $9.95/month, that's for sure. That's pretty steep. But here's an idea: Part of the subscription service will give you access to the other channels like Loki, Opera, Sun (StarOffice) and the like. All of those folks charge for their full products in one form or another. Why isn't Ximian asking *them* to chip in and pay for the ease of access that Red Carpet provides?
I'm afraid that this kind of thing will become a trend. I'm not afraid because I think it's *wrong*, but because it is changing the way we look at Linux, and certainly the way we market it, and I'm not sure that the Linux community (let alone the market for Linux) is ready for something like that.
I don't know why it scares you... it's a great solution.
I totally agree. Debian itself scares me, not apt-get. It's pretty tricky to install right, configure, etc. Don't get me wrong - I'm not "poo-pooing" Debian. In fact, it's sort of a goal I'm working toward. It's just too far beyond my current level of expertise to be a viable solution for now.
I've been using Red Carpet Updater for a couple of months now, and aside from it's obvious bias toward Gnome (and how easy it is to replace parts of standard Gnome with Ximian's versions...complete with dancing monkey) and a few dependency issues (most recently during an attempted update of Galeon, no less) it's been a pretty good tool.
Linux needs an automatic updater like Red Carpet. Why? First, because of WindowsUpdate. It's quick, easy, and on the mark when updating the OS and MS's addons. You've bought the OS, sure, but the updates are free. At $9.95/month, now you have a free OS that ends up costing you the same as the full version of XP Home after just over a year and a half.
Second, because updating Linux without a tool like that is just impossible for the average user. People here often complain about the inaccessibility of MS updates to bug fixes and security holes, but at least they're in one place, on one site (even if you have to dig to see them), and usually end up on WindowsUpdate. How to the Linux Elite expect an average user to keep up with every possible package, dependency, bug fix, security hole and update? Linux's greatest strength, openness and diversity, is also it's greatest weakness. There is no central repository to keep your system running smoothly...except tools like Red Carpet.
What about for corporate situations? I'm telling you, Debian scares me, but a local apt-get cache for my users is looking more and more attractive every day.
Is this the new trend for Linux? "Yes, our OS is free (as in beer *and* speech!), but in the long run, it'll cost you more than Windows if you want to actually keep it updated." I dunno...that doesn't sound appealing to me, and it doesn't sound like it fits within the creedo that has been trumpeted for the last 10 years.
I think you're absolutely right. I had a Nintendo in Jr. High and loved it. Later, I switched to Sega Genesis, PS1, then the Dreamcast--and I berated Nintendo for being so childish. I'm 27 now, and while IMing a friend just half an hour ago, I told him that I didn't understand why, but the new Nintendo was strangely appealing.
I make it a point to not tell most people I know about Morpheus. Why? Because it works, it's fast, I can find almost everything I search for, and most of all, they're not yet attracting enough attention to get shut down by the court system!
So please, for the good of those of us who use and enjoy the service, let's just keep this our little secret, ok?
"The other day, I downloaded OpenOffice build 628C for Linux and for Windows. I use Red Hat Linux (7.1) at home, and I already use StarOffice (5.2) for my regular office needs. It works great. I think my main complaint with OpenOffice is the silly desktop. Other than that, I consider it a fully functional office suite that can replace my MS Office needs anytime.
Sheesh. Misinformation abounds about this product! First off, the current build is 638C. That build of OpenOffice contains much of the same base code as the official StarOffice 6 Beta that was released on Oct. 4.
Let me be bold and italicized for this next one: There is no more integrated desktop. None. It sucked, and everyone knew it, so it's gone. Each component is seperate, with it's own icon (Text Document, Spreadsheet, Presentation, etc.)
One last thing, because I know it will come up. Previous builds of OpenOffice did not contain a spell check. Before you flame about that, let me mention two things: I just downloaded a build of Mozilla a few weeks ago, and it had no spellcheck either (yet the version of Netscape that used that Mozilla build *did* have a spell check...keep reading). Second, I'm pretty sure this build has a spellchecker in place, or it's right around the corner. Beyond that, if it's not there already, there will be options for different languages (I know German is mentioned often on the discussion list.)
StarOffice 6 Beta has a spellcheck, because that's one component that Sun owns and did not open source. There are other components in StarOffice that aren't in OpenOffice, but not many.
Whether you go with StarOffice or OpenOffice, you won't be disappointed. It's an incredible product. It is the product that will allow me to convert my clinic (250+ employees) away from MS Office, which will pave the way for more free (as in speech, and possibly beer) software down the road. I'm very excited about it!
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Like I said earlier, Jesus said I would be called a Troll when he said I would be persecuted for his name's sake. When you call me a Troll, you are CONFIRMING his PROPHESY! Think about THAT!
--SC
I'm on Your Side! I don't want you to go to HELL!
I don't mind being called a Troll. Jesus said that I would be mocked and persecuted for HIS NAME'S SAKE. When you call me a Troll, you are just confirming JESUS'S PROPHESY.
--SC
Matt 12:30-39 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad. "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
The Gift of Tounges is from the HOLY SPIRIT, so if you talk bad about them, you BLASHPHEME the SPIRIT! It's all there in red, white and black, my friend.
--SC
I think NOT!
--SC
Also, be careful. Mocking the gift of Toungues is blasphemy, and unforgivable too. The Holy Spirit is like a fragile butterfly, and when you mock him, he gets scared and flies away, never to return.
Be careful!
--SC
What is wrong with you people! Slashdot has gone downhill!
--SC
I might not agree with Bush's ham-handed lack of TRUE religion either, but I do know this: At least he's trying, and he probably won't go to HELL with all the athiests.
--SC
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He ends up going to HELL, sure, but what about ME? I could be hurt! I'm not ready to visit Jesus in Heaven yet.
People who don't worship right should be put somewhere else so they can't hurt the rest of us who know THE TRUTH!
And if you don't think there's a HELL now, you will, buddy, you WILL.
--SC
Think about this: You defend the rights for someone to have SUCK in their URL, and someone might make a site like www.JesusSUCKS.com. What will you do then? Where will your liberties be THEN?
Don't even get me started on sites like www.TheHolySpiritSucks.com. That's blasphemy - the UNForgivibale SIN! The person who makes that site, registers the domain, hosts it, and even LOOKS at it is in DANGER of going to Hell!
Is your freedom here on this temporaral Earth worth your eternal SOUL?
Think, PEOPLE! I know I'll get modded down for this, but I'm tired of seeing articles like this that don't take into consideration the DANGER that is involved by GOD-Hating Anti-Americans!
--SC
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--SC
PS. I'm working on installing it now. I've never compiled a kernel, though, so that part might throw me for a bit. We'll see. :-)
Let's stop reviewing the review and the concept, and actually review the distro for god's sake.
--SC
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I can't wait to run Atlas on Linux!
That's what it's talking about, right?
(Shrug.)
--SC
I've got ISOs for both Progeny and Debian 2.2r4, so I think I'll give it another shot, and do it all locally this time to save some speed.
I'm pretty convinced that Debian is the best thing out there right now, but the frustration of the install and configuration was becoming a barrier to learning more about Linux itself, so I abandoned it a while until I learned more.
--SC
I agree with you. It only scares me because it is such a bear to install and configure.
I've actually tried (on a friend's suggestion) to install Progeny, then update to Woody. It worked "so-so".
I'm hoping that in the near-future, Debian will be able to incorporate many of the "ease of use" enhancements from Progeny into their main distro. If Debian had the easy installation of RedHat or Mandrake, it would be unstoppable.
--SC
My personal view of Linux is as an alternative to Microsoft. Being free is great, but it's not the whole reason. I'm helping one company I work for migrate to Linux-based solutions, saving them tons of money. I hope to convince them to invest some of their savings in development of more Linux software, or improvements on some of the open source software they will be using. That's key for me: Enjoy your savings, but help by reinvesting some of it back into the community.
--SC
See, there's the catch. I don't know what a better solution would be, or what it should cost. Part of the problem, like someone mentioned in an earlier post, is that it's hard to take something that you are giving away for free and start charging for it. Especially when there are so many people who are providing similar services (up2date, MandrakeUpdate, etc.) that are still free (as in beer).
I don't think it's worth $9.95/month, that's for sure. That's pretty steep. But here's an idea: Part of the subscription service will give you access to the other channels like Loki, Opera, Sun (StarOffice) and the like. All of those folks charge for their full products in one form or another. Why isn't Ximian asking *them* to chip in and pay for the ease of access that Red Carpet provides?
I'm afraid that this kind of thing will become a trend. I'm not afraid because I think it's *wrong*, but because it is changing the way we look at Linux, and certainly the way we market it, and I'm not sure that the Linux community (let alone the market for Linux) is ready for something like that.
--SC
I totally agree. Debian itself scares me, not apt-get. It's pretty tricky to install right, configure, etc. Don't get me wrong - I'm not "poo-pooing" Debian. In fact, it's sort of a goal I'm working toward. It's just too far beyond my current level of expertise to be a viable solution for now.
--SC
Linux needs an automatic updater like Red Carpet. Why? First, because of WindowsUpdate. It's quick, easy, and on the mark when updating the OS and MS's addons. You've bought the OS, sure, but the updates are free. At $9.95/month, now you have a free OS that ends up costing you the same as the full version of XP Home after just over a year and a half.
Second, because updating Linux without a tool like that is just impossible for the average user. People here often complain about the inaccessibility of MS updates to bug fixes and security holes, but at least they're in one place, on one site (even if you have to dig to see them), and usually end up on WindowsUpdate. How to the Linux Elite expect an average user to keep up with every possible package, dependency, bug fix, security hole and update? Linux's greatest strength, openness and diversity, is also it's greatest weakness. There is no central repository to keep your system running smoothly...except tools like Red Carpet.
What about for corporate situations? I'm telling you, Debian scares me, but a local apt-get cache for my users is looking more and more attractive every day.
Is this the new trend for Linux? "Yes, our OS is free (as in beer *and* speech!), but in the long run, it'll cost you more than Windows if you want to actually keep it updated." I dunno...that doesn't sound appealing to me, and it doesn't sound like it fits within the creedo that has been trumpeted for the last 10 years.
--SC
I think you're onto something, man!
--SC
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I make it a point to not tell most people I know about Morpheus. Why? Because it works, it's fast, I can find almost everything I search for, and most of all, they're not yet attracting enough attention to get shut down by the court system!
So please, for the good of those of us who use and enjoy the service, let's just keep this our little secret, ok?
--SC
Sheesh. Misinformation abounds about this product! First off, the current build is 638C. That build of OpenOffice contains much of the same base code as the official StarOffice 6 Beta that was released on Oct. 4.
Let me be bold and italicized for this next one: There is no more integrated desktop. None. It sucked, and everyone knew it, so it's gone. Each component is seperate, with it's own icon (Text Document, Spreadsheet, Presentation, etc.)
One last thing, because I know it will come up. Previous builds of OpenOffice did not contain a spell check. Before you flame about that, let me mention two things: I just downloaded a build of Mozilla a few weeks ago, and it had no spellcheck either (yet the version of Netscape that used that Mozilla build *did* have a spell check...keep reading). Second, I'm pretty sure this build has a spellchecker in place, or it's right around the corner. Beyond that, if it's not there already, there will be options for different languages (I know German is mentioned often on the discussion list.)
StarOffice 6 Beta has a spellcheck, because that's one component that Sun owns and did not open source. There are other components in StarOffice that aren't in OpenOffice, but not many.
Whether you go with StarOffice or OpenOffice, you won't be disappointed. It's an incredible product. It is the product that will allow me to convert my clinic (250+ employees) away from MS Office, which will pave the way for more free (as in speech, and possibly beer) software down the road. I'm very excited about it!
--SC