Well for apps, yes. But in this discussion we are discussing Apple's operating systems and the feature therein, and whether Apple wants your data or not. When you try to update to a new version of iOS or macOS they present you with an agreement that you must agree to before they allow you to update.
"it will ask for a user's consent before doing so."
My hope is this won't have been tucked away in some 80 page long wall of legalese text that I had to click through when updating to said software version...
To give some context for those of you not in Japan: There were 15 political parties in this election. Out of 480 seats in the lower house, LDP won 294 seats. The party that came in second (the DPJ) won 57 seats, and the party that came in third won 54 seats. This huge difference is probably why the expression "landslide" was used.
The LDP does not yet control the upper house. In Japan, legislation generally must pass in both houses. To overrule decisions made by the upper house, 2/3 of the lower house, or 320 votes are needed, which is the reason for the coalition.
FF5 just got a lot of attention because it was the first complete fan translated RPG (or first famous one anyway).
I know many liked it but looking back I think the quality, especially of the English, could have been much better.
By that logic, law enforcement should only prosecute the murder of wealthy people. Who cares if a poor person gets killed? There is much more potential monetary loss due to the killing of a wealthy man.
Monetary loss isn't the foundation of the law.
I think you have it the other way around. The license and copyright are two different things.
If you went out and bought a piece of software, you are legally entitled, from the point of view of copyright, to make as many personal copies as you wish.
If an artist (painter) wanted to do a limited print run and only produce 100 copies of a painting, should the artist be obligated to turn it over to the public after the last one is sold?
If Microsoft, during the copyright term, wants to declare that the "copyrighted work" be no longer copied, then it's their prerogative (Ethics aside).
Instead, I think what we need to talk about is things like:
*Isn't the copyright term too long? *Should copyright law apply to software in exactly the same way as other copyrightable works? Such as, should software whose source code isn't published be copyrightable?
Sorry, this might be off topic but I wanted to point out that voice and data are not charged together in Japan.
The bill has three sections: voice, data, content.
Generally speaking, it's still very expensive to make voice calls here in Japan (a typical plan would charge 20 yen + tax per 30-minute interval), regardless of the carrier of the number you're calling. And unlike in the US, you don't get free "minutes" but instead you get a number of yen credit towards voice calls every month (amount depending on the plan).
In Japan, the price of sending text messages (which are actually MMS's) counts towards your entire "packet transfer total", and most people get the "unlimited packet transfer" package anyway (which caps at like 4000 yen a month). People use the internet on their phones quite a bit in Japan. In fact, I even access slashdot several times a day using it.
Many people have no problems buying DRM-plastered games and ringtones either, it seems, so I bet most people's bill there runs several thousand yen a month too. But downloading a 3 megabyte ringtone (ringtones can be full 3-4 minute tracks at 128kbps) would run up 5000 yen in data costs if it weren't for the "unlimited" data cap package.
I've had a phone since November 2006, and my typical bill has been about 8,000 - 10,000 yen ($80 - $100 or so) per month. I don't know how that compares.
But things are beginning to change over here in Japan now, little by little. For example, as of earlier this year, all four of the major carriers (docomo, au, SoftBank, Willcom), as well as the new e-mobile carrier, offer free calls and mail to members of the family who are also on the same carrier, 24 hours a day. Willcom and e-mobile actually offer free calls within their entire network now, from what I have heard.
I think one of the problems with items like this is that "choosing to do without" requires judgment that can only be made after acquiring such a piece of merchandise. What's worse is that nothing can be done about it after you've seen what it's really worth.
If it's like a piece of clothing or a piece of hardware, and you find out after buying it that it wasn't worth the money, then at most stores you can take it back to the place of purchase and get a refund (within reason). You won't have the item anymore, and you "move on without" it.
They won't let you do that with most items being discussed here.
Maybe I should find a friend who has purchased a copy of an item first and watch (or listen) to the material before I choose whether to buy it. If I find out the item's not worth buying, then I won't buy it. But is that much different than obtaining something through P2P, watching it, deciding it's not worth buying, and then destroying it?
> I'm curious how they're going to distinguish between downloads that infringe copyright, and downloads that are done with the permission of the copyright holder, like those in my sig.
When media companies bring up copyright, they only mean *their* copyrights and others held by large corporations. They couldn't care less about a poem that you or I wrote.
If they did, there'd be an easy way for me to add DRM info to music that I composed, so that I can play it back on my cell phone as a ringtone.
I'm from Japan btw, and this BS is recently getting bad here too.
Regarding DRM, in Japan they like to call it "copyright protection information". "This item cannot be moved to your microSD card because the content contains 'copyright protection information'." And they don't let me add my own copyright protection info to my own copyrighted work. To get an SDK that would allow you to add that stuff, you have to a) be a corporate entity yourself, b) get "approved" (whatever that means), and c) push the DRM keys onto cell phones through the carrier's WAP server, putting you at their mercy.
And it looks like this is what they want to do to all of Internet.
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Well for apps, yes. But in this discussion we are discussing Apple's operating systems and the feature therein, and whether Apple wants your data or not. When you try to update to a new version of iOS or macOS they present you with an agreement that you must agree to before they allow you to update.
"it will ask for a user's consent before doing so." My hope is this won't have been tucked away in some 80 page long wall of legalese text that I had to click through when updating to said software version...
Sounds like it would be the perfect opportunity to order the YouTube Collection? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
To give some context for those of you not in Japan: There were 15 political parties in this election. Out of 480 seats in the lower house, LDP won 294 seats. The party that came in second (the DPJ) won 57 seats, and the party that came in third won 54 seats. This huge difference is probably why the expression "landslide" was used.
The LDP does not yet control the upper house. In Japan, legislation generally must pass in both houses. To overrule decisions made by the upper house, 2/3 of the lower house, or 320 votes are needed, which is the reason for the coalition.
Your identical twin brother now has unfettered access to all of your porn.
FF5 just got a lot of attention because it was the first complete fan translated RPG (or first famous one anyway). I know many liked it but looking back I think the quality, especially of the English, could have been much better.
i wish i had mod points, i'd mod you up.
So... maybe it should have been called VH (Virtual Hype) instead of VR?
By that logic, law enforcement should only prosecute the murder of wealthy people. Who cares if a poor person gets killed? There is much more potential monetary loss due to the killing of a wealthy man. Monetary loss isn't the foundation of the law.
Ironic, you have another typo in there... conversion? conversation?
I think you have it the other way around.
The license and copyright are two different things.
If you went out and bought a piece of software, you are legally entitled, from the point of view of copyright, to make as many personal copies as you wish.
However, the license may not allow you to do so.
I don't know about that.
If an artist (painter) wanted to do a limited print run and only produce 100 copies of a painting, should the artist be obligated to turn it over to the public after the last one is sold?
If Microsoft, during the copyright term, wants to declare that the "copyrighted work" be no longer copied, then it's their prerogative
(Ethics aside).
Instead, I think what we need to talk about is things like:
*Isn't the copyright term too long?
*Should copyright law apply to software in exactly the same way as other copyrightable works?
Such as, should software whose source code isn't published be copyrightable?
> 20 yen + tax per 30-minute interval
Correction: 30-SECOND interval, that is. Sorry.
Sorry, this might be off topic but I wanted to point out that voice and data are not charged together in Japan.
The bill has three sections: voice, data, content.
Generally speaking, it's still very expensive to make voice calls here in Japan (a typical plan would charge 20 yen + tax per 30-minute interval), regardless of the carrier of the number you're calling. And unlike in the US, you don't get free "minutes" but instead you get a number of yen credit towards voice calls every month (amount depending on the plan).
In Japan, the price of sending text messages (which are actually MMS's) counts towards your entire "packet transfer total", and most people get the "unlimited packet transfer" package anyway (which caps at like 4000 yen a month). People use the internet on their phones quite a bit in Japan. In fact, I even access slashdot several times a day using it.
Many people have no problems buying DRM-plastered games and ringtones either, it seems, so I bet most people's bill there runs several thousand yen a month too. But downloading a 3 megabyte ringtone (ringtones can be full 3-4 minute tracks at 128kbps) would run up 5000 yen in data costs if it weren't for the "unlimited" data cap package.
I've had a phone since November 2006, and my typical bill has been about 8,000 - 10,000 yen ($80 - $100 or so) per month. I don't know how that compares.
But things are beginning to change over here in Japan now, little by little. For example, as of earlier this year, all four of the major carriers (docomo, au, SoftBank, Willcom), as well as the new e-mobile carrier, offer free calls and mail to members of the family who are also on the same carrier, 24 hours a day. Willcom and e-mobile actually offer free calls within their entire network now, from what I have heard.
... upon receiving his $5k, that he should have gotten $5,120 ?
I think one of the problems with items like this is that "choosing to do without" requires judgment that can only be made after acquiring such a piece of merchandise. What's worse is that nothing can be done about it after you've seen what it's really worth.
If it's like a piece of clothing or a piece of hardware, and you find out after buying it that it wasn't worth the money, then at most stores you can take it back to the place of purchase and get a refund (within reason). You won't have the item anymore, and you "move on without" it.
They won't let you do that with most items being discussed here.
Maybe I should find a friend who has purchased a copy of an item first and watch (or listen) to the material before I choose whether to buy it. If I find out the item's not worth buying, then I won't buy it. But is that much different than obtaining something through P2P, watching it, deciding it's not worth buying, and then destroying it?
But now Google knows your name... and they log all their searches too, don't they?
> I'm curious how they're going to distinguish between downloads that infringe copyright, and downloads that are done with the permission of the copyright holder, like those in my sig.
When media companies bring up copyright, they only mean *their* copyrights and others held by large corporations. They couldn't care less about a poem that you or I wrote.
If they did, there'd be an easy way for me to add DRM info to music that I composed, so that I can play it back on my cell phone as a ringtone.
I'm from Japan btw, and this BS is recently getting bad here too.
Regarding DRM, in Japan they like to call it "copyright protection information". "This item cannot be moved to your microSD card because the content contains 'copyright protection information'." And they don't let me add my own copyright protection info to my own copyrighted work. To get an SDK that would allow you to add that stuff, you have to a) be a corporate entity yourself, b) get "approved" (whatever that means), and c) push the DRM keys onto cell phones through the carrier's WAP server, putting you at their mercy.
And it looks like this is what they want to do to all of Internet.