Anytime MS does something good, the story gets tagged itsatrap.
Well, how long is it supposed to take to work through the bad faith accumulated over several decades of them raping the industry?
Raping the industry? Do you think Firefox would exist if MS didn't do what they did with IE or do you think Linux would be where it's at today if Windows had stagnated at Win3.1 functionality? Microsoft forced lots of companies and projects to raise their game. Linux, OpenOffice and Firefox are all where they are because MS keeps raising it's game.
MS didn't have to bring out Vista or even XP as Win2k did the job but they did. This forced distros like Mandriva, Redhat, SuSE and Ubuntu to up their game by bringing in decent photo viewers, file previews in file managers, better network connectivity clients, more usability, better interoperability with mobile devices and removable media. This in turn forces MS to up theirs and so the cycle continues.
When "companies" are in competition to produce a better product, the only winners are us, the users. Long may MS continue because without them, progress will come to a halt.
My memory may be bad, but I cannot remember seeing one action from Microsoft that I classified as morally or ethically just. Neutral maybe, and loads and loads of immoral stuff for sure, but good behaviour...
Gates Foundation. Magellan Learning Suite. Microsoft "School of the Future" in Philadelphia...I could go on.
So you didn't like Netscape (and yes by the end it was by most accounts a bloated piece of crap), but you don't get to make up your own history. In the beginning Netscape cost money, and IE did not.
I'm sorry, what was that about making up your own history? I've been online since before Tim Berners Lee knocked up HTML via services like Compuserve. I never EVER paid for Netscape and it was my sole browser for over half a decade until I went over to IE4 as well. I stuck with Netscape, right or wrong, until Firefox showed up. Some people paid for Netscape but it was given away for free in so many ways, you really didn't need to.
Install Ubuntu 8.10. Use it for a while. Then install OpenSuSE 11 or Mandriva. Then come back and say that Ubuntu doesn't crawl like a slug through molasses.
Seriously though, as a relatively new linux user, if Ubuntu ever gets so slow that I get frustrated, I'll switch to another distro.
I did. Went from Ubuntu 8.04 to OpenSUSE 11. It was quite an eye opener. Felt unbelievably quick compared to Ubuntu. I had thought that Ubuntu felt slow because it was on a 2yr old lappy but SuSE showed that wasn't the case. Tried 8.10 but it's actually worse. I put that down to being in BETA but after the comments here, I'm not sure that's the case.
Linux (and Unix for the most part) tends to be a lot more modular than Windows. Windows does provide options. But not to the same degree. If you want to really dig in to a Windows system, it takes a lot more shennanigans than it does with a Linux distro
Indeed. I might have to go install something like XPLite or create my own installation media with nlite/vlite. It's really taxing firing up a GUI and unticking a few boxes.
Whereas with Linux, I have to keep 180MB of files there which will remain mostly useless because I want to use Amarok in a Gnome environment but if I want to remove even one, it'll throw a hissy fit.
Way to go...a small media player with 180MB of dependencies...
Take creating a business card, MS Word doesn't even come with a template for that job!
Really? So the 53 ones I can select that are built into 2007, not including the card manufacturer specific ones (Office Depot, Avery, Compulabel etc) along with the dozens that are available on Office online are imaginary then?
Windows Network browsing is STILL BROKEN in Nautilus. They fucked it up in 8.04, as it was working in 7.10, and they've still not fixed it.
Also, the hard drive load cycle bug has only been half fixed. Why? They know how to fix it - people have submitted full fixes in bugtraq.
Fuck Ubuntu. Getting a bit pissed off with the shitty quality control they now have due to being hellbent on releasing every 6 months on the dot despite all the show stopper bugs.
But (if I am understanding the comments correctly), the license forbids you from porting to code to another platform. A real open source license wouldn't do that.
Then you understand wrong and so do the tossers making the comments because the GPL allows restrictions on open source. Or are you saying the GPL isn't an open source licence?
People are spouting off Snake oil accusations at this without even reading the paper or doing any background checking.
All the snakeoil products available on shopping channels, such as the additive that allows you to run without any oil or water in the engine for 1000 miles, even racing round an oval track without any damage, have loads of "research" to back them up. They still don't work.
And which car would that be? I notice you don't cite any name for it. Without citations, you can say anything and it could just as easily be completely false.
Citroen AX, Citroen VISA, Ford Escort 1.8 diesel, Ford Sierra 1.8 diesel, Vauxhall Cavalier, Vauxhall Astra, Vauxhall Nova, Peugeot 205 D...the list is endless outside of continental America. And yes, I'm taking into account we have a bigger "gallon" than you.
Apart from the fact that google will now get a shitload more personal information from users?
I guess privacy isn't an issue for you then. I guess you don't care that Google now knows when you'll be out (Calendar appointment) and given Googles history on gApps security, some burglars as well.
Still, you're living in the UK, so it's not all wine and roses.
Could be worse. I could be living in the USA where the next 300 years taxes my family will be paying will go straight into the pockets of the fat cat investment banks.
With the current trend of Google searches having the first 10 pages being nothing but fucking e-tailer sites, I'd rather use MSN at the moment. Seriously. Search for a review of a product and it's several pages before you get to a site actually giving reviews.
And that's why we kicked your ass about 232 years ago.
You didn't kick our asses at all. We deemed you so unworthy that we just used a "rent an army" to keep you in check whilst the real British Army was off continuing expanding our empire.
What about your planned downtime? If you're running Windows, you're rebooting to install patches on a regular basis or you're running unpatched systems. What about software installs?
What about it? With those you know WHEN it's going to happen. You can schedule it for out of hours. With the Google debacle and similar, you get no warning. If they do need to suspend the service for maintenance, it is they who say when, not you, and in a global internet you can't possibly do it for "out of hours" for everyone.
With the way desktop software is heading, to get Linux on the desktop all that has to be done is for it to remain "free", as in "I'm free to do whatever I want with my computer".
Remind me how well that's going for you again? Oh yeah, that's right - Vista has 4 times the desktop market share even though it's only been out a ninth of the time Linux has.
As long as mom and pop can go do their online banking, get their email and the kids can use iTunes, they don't give a flying fuck about anything you're on about.
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Anytime MS does something good, the story gets tagged itsatrap. Well, how long is it supposed to take to work through the bad faith accumulated over several decades of them raping the industry?
Raping the industry? Do you think Firefox would exist if MS didn't do what they did with IE or do you think Linux would be where it's at today if Windows had stagnated at Win3.1 functionality? Microsoft forced lots of companies and projects to raise their game. Linux, OpenOffice and Firefox are all where they are because MS keeps raising it's game.
MS didn't have to bring out Vista or even XP as Win2k did the job but they did. This forced distros like Mandriva, Redhat, SuSE and Ubuntu to up their game by bringing in decent photo viewers, file previews in file managers, better network connectivity clients, more usability, better interoperability with mobile devices and removable media. This in turn forces MS to up theirs and so the cycle continues.
When "companies" are in competition to produce a better product, the only winners are us, the users. Long may MS continue because without them, progress will come to a halt.
My memory may be bad, but I cannot remember seeing one action from Microsoft that I classified as morally or ethically just. Neutral maybe, and loads and loads of immoral stuff for sure, but good behaviour...
Gates Foundation. Magellan Learning Suite. Microsoft "School of the Future" in Philadelphia...I could go on.
So you didn't like Netscape (and yes by the end it was by most accounts a bloated piece of crap), but you don't get to make up your own history. In the beginning Netscape cost money, and IE did not.
I'm sorry, what was that about making up your own history? I've been online since before Tim Berners Lee knocked up HTML via services like Compuserve. I never EVER paid for Netscape and it was my sole browser for over half a decade until I went over to IE4 as well. I stuck with Netscape, right or wrong, until Firefox showed up. Some people paid for Netscape but it was given away for free in so many ways, you really didn't need to.
Microsoft now has a complete vendor trap solution, "from the cloud to the datacenter, to PCs, the Web, and phones".
Just like Apple are trying to do as well then except they also chuck in TV as well.
Install Ubuntu 8.10. Use it for a while. Then install OpenSuSE 11 or Mandriva. Then come back and say that Ubuntu doesn't crawl like a slug through molasses.
Seriously though, as a relatively new linux user, if Ubuntu ever gets so slow that I get frustrated, I'll switch to another distro.
I did. Went from Ubuntu 8.04 to OpenSUSE 11. It was quite an eye opener. Felt unbelievably quick compared to Ubuntu. I had thought that Ubuntu felt slow because it was on a 2yr old lappy but SuSE showed that wasn't the case. Tried 8.10 but it's actually worse. I put that down to being in BETA but after the comments here, I'm not sure that's the case.
Linux (and Unix for the most part) tends to be a lot more modular than Windows. Windows does provide options. But not to the same degree. If you want to really dig in to a Windows system, it takes a lot more shennanigans than it does with a Linux distro
Indeed. I might have to go install something like XPLite or create my own installation media with nlite/vlite. It's really taxing firing up a GUI and unticking a few boxes.
Whereas with Linux, I have to keep 180MB of files there which will remain mostly useless because I want to use Amarok in a Gnome environment but if I want to remove even one, it'll throw a hissy fit. Way to go...a small media player with 180MB of dependencies...
You are brain-messed if you send your CV as a .doc file. You should *always* send documents not meant to be edited as a PDF file.
Which is guaranteed it won't get looked at if the employer specifically asked for your CV in Word format.
Take creating a business card, MS Word doesn't even come with a template for that job!
Really? So the 53 ones I can select that are built into 2007, not including the card manufacturer specific ones (Office Depot, Avery, Compulabel etc) along with the dozens that are available on Office online are imaginary then?
I was only speculating that a significant amount of new OpenOffice.org users switched to OpenOffice.org because of Microsoft's UI overhaul.
Ignoring the fact that they had a fully installed and working Office 2003 and that they probably decided to stick with that as it does what they want?
Also, the hard drive load cycle bug has only been half fixed. Why? They know how to fix it - people have submitted full fixes in bugtraq.
Fuck Ubuntu. Getting a bit pissed off with the shitty quality control they now have due to being hellbent on releasing every 6 months on the dot despite all the show stopper bugs.
You are, actually, wrong by making this comparison because, in your examples, the goods you're talking about are physical goods.
Why? Do games cost nothing to make? Or are the $millions bills for staff, equipement and buildings imaginary?
In the UK you havent been able to use a PAYG phone without registering it for several years now
Sorry, disagree. Got one from Tesco for my lad the other week.
But (if I am understanding the comments correctly), the license forbids you from porting to code to another platform. A real open source license wouldn't do that.
Then you understand wrong and so do the tossers making the comments because the GPL allows restrictions on open source. Or are you saying the GPL isn't an open source licence?
People are spouting off Snake oil accusations at this without even reading the paper or doing any background checking.
All the snakeoil products available on shopping channels, such as the additive that allows you to run without any oil or water in the engine for 1000 miles, even racing round an oval track without any damage, have loads of "research" to back them up. They still don't work.
And which car would that be? I notice you don't cite any name for it. Without citations, you can say anything and it could just as easily be completely false.
Citroen AX, Citroen VISA, Ford Escort 1.8 diesel, Ford Sierra 1.8 diesel, Vauxhall Cavalier, Vauxhall Astra, Vauxhall Nova, Peugeot 205 D...the list is endless outside of continental America. And yes, I'm taking into account we have a bigger "gallon" than you.
Apart from the fact that google will now get a shitload more personal information from users?
I guess privacy isn't an issue for you then. I guess you don't care that Google now knows when you'll be out (Calendar appointment) and given Googles history on gApps security, some burglars as well.
Android can do whatever the phone can do.
As long as you have Gmail account...
This isn't bad for google, and I think it will be good for us.
..as long as you don't give a shit about Google having access to your personal information...
Still, you're living in the UK, so it's not all wine and roses.
Could be worse. I could be living in the USA where the next 300 years taxes my family will be paying will go straight into the pockets of the fat cat investment banks.
With the current trend of Google searches having the first 10 pages being nothing but fucking e-tailer sites, I'd rather use MSN at the moment. Seriously. Search for a review of a product and it's several pages before you get to a site actually giving reviews.
And that's why we kicked your ass about 232 years ago.
You didn't kick our asses at all. We deemed you so unworthy that we just used a "rent an army" to keep you in check whilst the real British Army was off continuing expanding our empire.
What about your planned downtime? If you're running Windows, you're rebooting to install patches on a regular basis or you're running unpatched systems. What about software installs?
What about it? With those you know WHEN it's going to happen. You can schedule it for out of hours. With the Google debacle and similar, you get no warning. If they do need to suspend the service for maintenance, it is they who say when, not you, and in a global internet you can't possibly do it for "out of hours" for everyone.
Agreed and agreed. Linux driver installs have been getting much easier and Windows seems to slowly be getting harder.
How the fuck does "Download file X for Windows and double click on it" get harder?
With the way desktop software is heading, to get Linux on the desktop all that has to be done is for it to remain "free", as in "I'm free to do whatever I want with my computer".
Remind me how well that's going for you again? Oh yeah, that's right - Vista has 4 times the desktop market share even though it's only been out a ninth of the time Linux has.
As long as mom and pop can go do their online banking, get their email and the kids can use iTunes, they don't give a flying fuck about anything you're on about.