I know this is a bit of a late reply, but what the hell.
Just because their IOS binary images are tar'd up, does not imply automatically that anything they make is necessarily Unix-based. Hell, technically I could tar up all of C:\WINDOWS, and at the end of the day that file has nothing to do with the GPL, or being Unix based, or whatever
Yes I know from personal experience new Linksys boxes (greater than v5 I believe) run VxWorks as their OS. You can flash DD-WRT micro to them though, which in my experience has made a huge difference in their stability
There are specific reasons a business might need a "real" router though. Cisco's equipment is very modular... it's very easy to throw a VPN encryption module in a router and do tunnels at the router level instead of worrying about RRAS or and OpenSWAN server.
Linksys routers have their uses, especially if you flash them over to Linux with DD-WRT, but they only go so far when you have a branch office of 200 people you need to have securely on the main corporate network. A Linksys wouldn't have the horsepower for something like that.
I wonder if they'll license something like QNX, or port one of the BSD kernels over. I can't imagine they'd use anything with the GPL, this being proprietary-out-the-ass Cisco after all.
I'm not trying to nitpick, just clarify, but actually WebKit is an "Apple thing" right now. WebKit is based on KHTML (Konqueror's rendering engine) but Apple went off and did their own thing with changes to KHTML. There was talk on dot.kde.org about reintegrating the projects back together, and it looks like WebKit has been ported to QT 4, so maybe we'll finally see "one rendering engine to bind them" in KDE 4. That would be nice.
Kontact is Linux only. While I wish many KDE apps would make it to the windows platform, most aren't, so kontact probably isn't a good comparison.
One of the biggest things to note about KDE 4 is the fact that it will use Qt 4. They are working on running native KDE apps (and potentially the entire desktop environment) on any platform that Qt 4 runs on - ie. Linux, Mac or Windows.
This has the potential to be HUGE for KOffice, Kontact, et al. That was the biggest thing that kept me from throwing any of my time behind learning KOffice - up until this port happens it was yet another platform-specific Office program.
I won't get into the rant about OpenOffice.org and the bloat it seems unable to shake off...
That's quite possible. I only run 6 of their servers (and GroupWise 7.02 and ZENworks). But let's see what you have...
I have no idea what you know and what you don't know. The tone of your reply has an air of "looking down from a marble pedestal," and I really don't feel like wasting any more of my time trying to discuss this sensibly.
In the future you would do better to not try to get in a duel with someone on the Internet. "You catch more flies with honey" as the saying goes.
The entire point of having NetWare run in a Xen VM is to get the "best of both worlds."
What I mean by that is NetWare can still run older NetWare-only NLMs, but it can run on platforms and architectures that don't have any NetWare support (AMD64, RAID cards that don't support NetWare but do have Linux support), etc.
Why does Novell moving to a new platform that has a lot of industry buzz (Linux, open source) automatically make you sound the death knell for them?
On that note - Noorda saw a future in Linux. When he was ousted he went off and founded the Canopy Group, which provided financing to Ransom Love when he started Caldera.
It should also be noted that none of SCO's later actions under Darl McBride were under the direction of Ray Noorda in any way... Alzheimer's had set in before any of that happened. Ray Noorda believed in INNOVATING, not LITIGATING.
I think there are some fundamental things you don't know about the "new" Novell. I did the same thing at first - I thought to myself "Novell is dead, right?" when Novell first caught my attention (when I first read that they had bought SUSE out, in fact).
Novell has made Linux and a lot of open source software its platform - everything from the Desktop to the Server, is on top of Linux.
SUSE Linux Enterprise Dekstop is their desktop OS (SLED 10) SUSE Linux Ent. Server is the server in the back room.
eDirectory, GroupWise, ZENworks, iFolder, Novell Storage Services all run on top of SLES. Other platforms are supported (RedHat and Windows Server 2003), but the "de facto" solution from Novell is SLES.
They've even created a competitior to Microsoft Small Business Server, which does the same thing SBS does. They call it Open Workgroup Suite.
So, to sum it up: MS Exchange = GroupWise Group Policy = (roughly) ZENworks Active Directory = eDirectory Microsoft Office = Novell OpenOffice Windows XP = SLED Server 2003 = SLES
The reason this makes sense is mostly because of driver support. Anyone seen any major support for new iSCSI SAN devices for NetWare lately?
By moving NetWare into Xen they gain the driver support SUSE Linux Enterprise Server will have, and at the same time create an environment that makes it easy to upgrade.
To the top poster - it's not exactly easy to migrate away from a platform like eDirectory once you've committed to it, and yes Virginia, eDirectory does scale better than Active Directory any day.
I would say that due to the fact that we're approaching the end of 2007 and Thunderbird still doesn't have integrated calendaring (not in beta, that's a copout), then yes, Thunderbird is in crisis.
Until feature-for-feature Thunderbird can equal or beat Outlook it will never have people flocking to it like Firefox did.
Look at Firefox versus IE 6 - heck, Firefox basically "inspired" IE 7 (tabs, search bar on the top right, extensions, etc. etc.) That's what led to the huge masses adopting it.
What holds Linux back is the third-party ISV ecosystem that Windows has.
Before it takes off ina big way Linux HAS to make it very, very easy to develop apps for the platform (think Visual Studio and Visual Basic easy).
Novell gets this - Novell's CEO stated that ISV support coming around was the biggest barrier to widespread Linux adoption. I hope Mark Shuttleworth "gets it" too.
It's not the package manager, it's not windows wobbling when you move them, it's the ISV support, stupid! (I mean that in a playful way, not a holier than thou way)
Aside from the trolls and "bore hole jokers" I actually "learned stuff" about geology from your original post and I'm actually a little more curious about it.
We're not all 12-year-olds... ("we" meaning/.'ers)
No but seriously the update manager was based on zen-updater in 10.1 and 10.2. That functionality has been removed in openSUSE because a.) you don't need ZENworks stuff updating from your house and b.) it's bloated and kind of broken
Please go peddle your [citation needed] tags somewhere else.
Also I'd like to thank the grandparent poster - I received some insight on history just now from his post. Now it's my job to go read about the subjects he talked about offhand and if I want to, make sure what he said was true.
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I know this is a bit of a late reply, but what the hell.
Just because their IOS binary images are tar'd up, does not imply automatically that anything they make is necessarily Unix-based. Hell, technically I could tar up all of C:\WINDOWS, and at the end of the day that file has nothing to do with the GPL, or being Unix based, or whatever
Yes I know from personal experience new Linksys boxes (greater than v5 I believe) run VxWorks as their OS. You can flash DD-WRT micro to them though, which in my experience has made a huge difference in their stability
A quick search revealed this article: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4729641740.html
There are specific reasons a business might need a "real" router though. Cisco's equipment is very modular... it's very easy to throw a VPN encryption module in a router and do tunnels at the router level instead of worrying about RRAS or and OpenSWAN server.
Linksys routers have their uses, especially if you flash them over to Linux with DD-WRT, but they only go so far when you have a branch office of 200 people you need to have securely on the main corporate network. A Linksys wouldn't have the horsepower for something like that.
I wonder if they'll license something like QNX, or port one of the BSD kernels over. I can't imagine they'd use anything with the GPL, this being proprietary-out-the-ass Cisco after all.
I'm not trying to nitpick, just clarify, but actually WebKit is an "Apple thing" right now. WebKit is based on KHTML (Konqueror's rendering engine) but Apple went off and did their own thing with changes to KHTML. There was talk on dot.kde.org about reintegrating the projects back together, and it looks like WebKit has been ported to QT 4, so maybe we'll finally see "one rendering engine to bind them" in KDE 4. That would be nice.
http://dot.kde.org/1152645965/ for more info.
Or how about he actually post a comment on the story after he posts it. Let the community moderate such a post as they see fit.
Get around the "groupthink" all hail Taco mentality by not posting as CmdrTaco with a userid of 1, as well.
Instead of "posting a comment built-in to the story" post in the comments section. What a concept.
Hey guy I was JOKING AROUND. Take the attitude elsewhere. This is Slashdot... not everything has to be serious and heatedly debated. Jeez,
This is THE most thorough dissection I have ever seen of the grammatical correctness of a /. post.
/. are impressed.
Ever.
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One of the biggest things to note about KDE 4 is the fact that it will use Qt 4. They are working on running native KDE apps (and potentially the entire desktop environment) on any platform that Qt 4 runs on - ie. Linux, Mac or Windows.
This has the potential to be HUGE for KOffice, Kontact, et al. That was the biggest thing that kept me from throwing any of my time behind learning KOffice - up until this port happens it was yet another platform-specific Office program.
I won't get into the rant about OpenOffice.org and the bloat it seems unable to shake off...
I have no idea what you know and what you don't know. The tone of your reply has an air of "looking down from a marble pedestal," and I really don't feel like wasting any more of my time trying to discuss this sensibly.
In the future you would do better to not try to get in a duel with someone on the Internet. "You catch more flies with honey" as the saying goes.
The entire point of having NetWare run in a Xen VM is to get the "best of both worlds."
What I mean by that is NetWare can still run older NetWare-only NLMs, but it can run on platforms and architectures that don't have any NetWare support (AMD64, RAID cards that don't support NetWare but do have Linux support), etc.
Why does Novell moving to a new platform that has a lot of industry buzz (Linux, open source) automatically make you sound the death knell for them?
On that note - Noorda saw a future in Linux. When he was ousted he went off and founded the Canopy Group, which provided financing to Ransom Love when he started Caldera.
It should also be noted that none of SCO's later actions under Darl McBride were under the direction of Ray Noorda in any way... Alzheimer's had set in before any of that happened. Ray Noorda believed in INNOVATING, not LITIGATING.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group#History goes over some of this.
I think there are some fundamental things you don't know about the "new" Novell. I did the same thing at first - I thought to myself "Novell is dead, right?" when Novell first caught my attention (when I first read that they had bought SUSE out, in fact).
Novell has made Linux and a lot of open source software its platform - everything from the Desktop to the Server, is on top of Linux.
SUSE Linux Enterprise Dekstop is their desktop OS (SLED 10)
SUSE Linux Ent. Server is the server in the back room.
eDirectory, GroupWise, ZENworks, iFolder, Novell Storage Services all run on top of SLES. Other platforms are supported (RedHat and Windows Server 2003), but the "de facto" solution from Novell is SLES.
They've even created a competitior to Microsoft Small Business Server, which does the same thing SBS does. They call it Open Workgroup Suite.
So, to sum it up:
MS Exchange = GroupWise
Group Policy = (roughly) ZENworks
Active Directory = eDirectory
Microsoft Office = Novell OpenOffice
Windows XP = SLED
Server 2003 = SLES
The reason this makes sense is mostly because of driver support. Anyone seen any major support for new iSCSI SAN devices for NetWare lately?
By moving NetWare into Xen they gain the driver support SUSE Linux Enterprise Server will have, and at the same time create an environment that makes it easy to upgrade.
To the top poster - it's not exactly easy to migrate away from a platform like eDirectory once you've committed to it, and yes Virginia, eDirectory does scale better than Active Directory any day.
Whoa whoa whoa. So Novell has a duty to port and support their authentication and application platform to every distro?
Novell has ported eDirectory to SUSE Linux. They're working on a Linux GroupWise client. ZENworks integration is also being worked on.
It's not their job to support the applications they've created on every distribution of Linux. Has Ubuntu relased LaunchPad for every other distro?
I would say that due to the fact that we're approaching the end of 2007 and Thunderbird still doesn't have integrated calendaring (not in beta, that's a copout), then yes, Thunderbird is in crisis.
Until feature-for-feature Thunderbird can equal or beat Outlook it will never have people flocking to it like Firefox did.
Look at Firefox versus IE 6 - heck, Firefox basically "inspired" IE 7 (tabs, search bar on the top right, extensions, etc. etc.) That's what led to the huge masses adopting it.
The fact that Zimbra has released a cross-platform offline client instead of extending Thunderbird to fit their needs speaks volumes.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/26/zimbra-to-lauch-desktop-application-with-full-offline-functionality/
It sounds like Windows Live Mail fits right into Microsoft's "Software as a service" push
Hmm... is "Windows Live Mail" basically "Outlook Live," in the same vein as "Office Live"?
What holds Linux back is the third-party ISV ecosystem that Windows has.
Before it takes off ina big way Linux HAS to make it very, very easy to develop apps for the platform (think Visual Studio and Visual Basic easy).
Novell gets this - Novell's CEO stated that ISV support coming around was the biggest barrier to widespread Linux adoption. I hope Mark Shuttleworth "gets it" too.
It's not the package manager, it's not windows wobbling when you move them, it's the ISV support, stupid! (I mean that in a playful way, not a holier than thou way)
Aside from the trolls and "bore hole jokers" I actually "learned stuff" about geology from your original post and I'm actually a little more curious about it.
/.'ers)
We're not all 12-year-olds... ("we" meaning
openSUSE is just that - the Community edition. Please relax.
Try it you might like it :)
No but seriously the update manager was based on zen-updater in 10.1 and 10.2. That functionality has been removed in openSUSE because a.) you don't need ZENworks stuff updating from your house and b.) it's bloated and kind of broken
Please go peddle your [citation needed] tags somewhere else.
Also I'd like to thank the grandparent poster - I received some insight on history just now from his post. Now it's my job to go read about the subjects he talked about offhand and if I want to, make sure what he said was true.
YaST is absent? I'm running SLED 10 right now and I have YaST open. How is it absent?
You've been here a while, hmm? Next you'll be talking about Soviet Russia