well, it's as cross platform as there are platforms the interpreter has been ported to.. pretty much like perl (both being scripting languages you know)...
python has something java does not -- if you hit a brick wall in your code and it starts taking huge amounts of time and clock cycles to do a simple task, then you could (theoretically and practically) use a different language and speed up the bottleneck by rewriting it. a good example would be changing some trivial text searching algorithm by writing it in C and compiling it into the existing code.
oh yeah, something else that makes python better than java: python has hooks to use java code in itself, java does not have such things and can not incorporate any python:)
yes, the comp.os.plan9 newsgroup is getting more and more popular, there are many people who use it daily (and prefer it)... the code is easy to understand and play around with.
the general fact is that whomever managed to install plan9 has a very high opinion of it.
> What you are forgeting is that the halting problem is partially solvable. You can easily make a procedure that says "Yes, this program terminates on this input" for any program that does terminate.
Or (hehe) how will you answer this question: "will this so called 'halting problem solution program' halt given a specific program?":P
You see, you just described a program that 'recursively enumerates' the set of all programs that terminate in a given time (say the time you're willing to wait for them to ternimate)... The problem discussed was *decidability* -- whether you know *for sure* that this program will terminate...
Yes, there are partial solutions to that too.. but the two are not even close
I whink this has already been created -- they call it SGI Oxygen (O2)...
How to recognize one when you see it? Well, it runs IRIX, its netscape takes *ages* to render anything with frames, its OpenGL Xscreensaver is just screamingly fast!
SAMOWAR is what we (in Bulgaria) call the big steamy russian utensils used to make tea (I guess those damn russians pronounce it [samavar]):P
If you've ever used one of those you would know that nothing bearing this name could be fake -- the things produce so much heat it's almost impossible to stay near one...
Geez... making wishlist would be way more easy if you tried searchin for the answer first (any search engine would suffice)... The OS you're looking for is called Plan9. The objects composing it are called files.
So, finally the Old Prophecy has come true (and it did way ahead of its time for this planet): an Interface has come, that allows you to command your radio with only but a simple gesture...
This is Good, for it will be the doom of the evil mouse and keyboard... Rejoice!
It's a pity though that we'll have to sit *very* still in order to view the whole pr0n collection we just downloaded uninterrupted by random scrolling...
Yes, minimalist is good when you want to get the job done.
I couldn't be happier with openbsd at work -- it handles firewalling for the part of the network that needs to be hidden, it handles NAT for the windows boxen of the developers, it has 69 aliases on the external nic which handle web pages by portforwarding.. and all of this from a spiffy 486/66 box with 8 megs of ram...
I can safely say that little or no other unixen can do that without desperately needing beefier hardware.
Oh, and yes -- once configured as a silent firewall it could just be left there, without me having sleepless nights wandering when the new security hole will occur...
And to top that off, you can almost daily find Theo in #openbsd @efnet and he *will* answer your questions, provided they are not extremely stupid (mine are sometimes:)...
So, if you ever need a secure, silent workhorse that needs little or no tweaking to get working -- use openbsd:)
Want to know the most secure OSs ever? here is a small example of some of them (quoted from www.wangfed.com, emphasys mine): Through the next two decades, we developed and maintained a series of high assurance Trusted Computer Systems, each of which received the first-ever National Computer Security Center (NCSC) high assurance at its given Class (as defined by the National Security Agency (NSA) Trusted Computer Security Evaluation Criteria, or TCSEC). In 1984 the Honeywell Secure Communications Processor (SCOMP) received the first-ever NCSC A1 evaluation, and was followed in 1985 by the MULTICS at B2, and in 1992 with the XTS-200 at B3. The XTS-300 received the first-ever Ratings and Maintenance Program (RAMP) evaluation at B3 in 1995, with several subsequent generations in the evolving XTS-300 product family following suit. The latest B3 RAMP of the XTS-300 (running secure trusted operating program [STOP] operating system Version 4.4.2) was completed in 1998.
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agreed :)
you don't have the user # to back up your statement :P
well, it's as cross platform as there are platforms the interpreter has been ported to.. pretty much like perl (both being scripting languages you know)...
:)
python has something java does not -- if you hit a brick wall in your code and it starts taking huge amounts of time and clock cycles to do a simple task, then you could (theoretically and practically) use a different language and speed up the bottleneck by rewriting it. a good example would be changing some trivial text searching algorithm by writing it in C and compiling it into the existing code.
oh yeah, something else that makes python better than java: python has hooks to use java code in itself, java does not have such things and can not incorporate any python
for those of you who really care, his name is Guido Van Rossum CmdrTaco wouldn't like being called 'CmdrBurrito' in the media now, would he?
Taken from exile.txt:
:)
eXiLe 24/11/20 6:00 am what's root pw again?
sam 24/11/20 6:01 am wereere
guess if they have the password changed since then
no, he's dumb..
hmm.. last i heard IRIX had exellent Java support even for java3d (albeit not as fast as a sun box or native opengl, but you know that :)
java.sun.com has links to the IRIX 6.x tardist files
yes, the comp.os.plan9 newsgroup is getting more and more popular, there are many people who use it daily (and prefer it)... the code is easy to understand and play around with.
the general fact is that whomever managed to install plan9 has a very high opinion of it.
Nasa's Astronomical Picture Of The Day has some cool information and a picture (a map) of it: here
yeah, you all shut up!...
oh wait... that doesn't look right...
> What you are forgeting is that the halting problem is partially solvable. You can easily make a procedure that says "Yes, this program terminates on this input" for any program that does terminate.
:P
Or (hehe) how will you answer this question: "will this so called 'halting problem solution program' halt given a specific program?"
You see, you just described a program that 'recursively enumerates' the set of all programs that terminate in a given time (say the time you're willing to wait for them to ternimate)... The problem discussed was *decidability* -- whether you know *for sure* that this program will terminate...
Yes, there are partial solutions to that too.. but the two are not even close
Oh, a screensaver.. uhm..
:)
I whink this has already been created -- they call it SGI Oxygen (O2)...
How to recognize one when you see it? Well, it runs IRIX, its netscape takes *ages* to render anything with frames, its OpenGL Xscreensaver is just screamingly fast!
Check sgi.com for prices
SAMOWAR is what we (in Bulgaria) call the big steamy russian utensils used to make tea (I guess those damn russians pronounce it [samavar]) :P
If you've ever used one of those you would know that nothing bearing this name could be fake -- the things produce so much heat it's almost impossible to stay near one...
and they make marvelous tea!
I stand corrected, you did mention plan9 (I feel ashamed for overlooking it) but the objects still remain to be files...
;)
It's a beauty to learn, I definitely urge you
Geez... making wishlist would be way more easy if you tried searchin for the answer first (any search engine would suffice)... The OS you're looking for is called Plan9. The objects composing it are called files.
You may want to take a peek at plan9 -- they have everything you just wished. And it works.
http://plan9.bell-labs.com
There was a story not so long ago about viruses which insert the '25th frame' on your screen...
:)
you know, the kind you can't really see, but which has a psichological effect on you (fight club has a better explanation
Are you by any chance a guy named Douglas Adams?
:)
:)
Just joking
It is *very* nice to see a reference to a non-internetted educational source on this site every once in a while :)
Thank you!
Plan9 has been around since 1988.
This is release 3, Release 2 was in 1995.
Thanx.
> Microsoft's stock symbol is not MSFS
:)
I believe he was referring to Microsoft Flight Simulator and not Microsoft itself.
Otherwise please continue, we all enjoy your flames
So, finally the Old Prophecy has come true (and it did way ahead of its time for this planet): an Interface has come, that allows you to command your radio with only but a simple gesture...
:)
:)
This is Good, for it will be the doom of the evil mouse and keyboard... Rejoice!
It's a pity though that we'll have to sit *very* still in order to view the whole pr0n collection we just downloaded uninterrupted by random scrolling...
Wander where Compaq R&D get their ideas from?
Flame On
Just to add my "me too" post:
:)...
:)
:)
Yes, minimalist is good when you want to get the job done.
I couldn't be happier with openbsd at work -- it handles firewalling for the part of the network that needs to be hidden, it handles NAT for the windows boxen of the developers, it has 69 aliases on the external nic which handle web pages by portforwarding.. and all of this from a spiffy 486/66 box with 8 megs of ram...
I can safely say that little or no other unixen can do that without desperately needing beefier hardware.
Oh, and yes -- once configured as a silent firewall it could just be left there, without me having sleepless nights wandering when the new security hole will occur...
And to top that off, you can almost daily find Theo in #openbsd @efnet and he *will* answer your questions, provided they are not extremely stupid (mine are sometimes
So, if you ever need a secure, silent workhorse that needs little or no tweaking to get working -- use openbsd
flame on...
Drop the if :)
:)
Use (cond xxx) if you want to be thruly l33t LISP haxx0r!
Want to know the most secure OSs ever? here is a small example of some of them (quoted from www.wangfed.com, emphasys mine):
Through the next two decades, we developed and maintained a series of high assurance Trusted Computer Systems, each of which received the first-ever National Computer Security Center (NCSC) high assurance at its given Class (as defined by the National Security Agency (NSA) Trusted Computer Security Evaluation Criteria, or TCSEC). In 1984 the Honeywell Secure Communications Processor (SCOMP) received the first-ever NCSC A1 evaluation, and was followed in 1985 by the MULTICS at B2, and in 1992 with the XTS-200 at B3. The XTS-300 received the first-ever Ratings and Maintenance Program (RAMP) evaluation at B3 in 1995, with several subsequent generations in the evolving XTS-300 product family following suit. The latest B3 RAMP of the XTS-300 (running secure trusted operating program [STOP] operating system Version 4.4.2) was completed in 1998.
Found on www.wangfed.com.