Yeah, the same people who complain that X is trying to copy activeX and other ideas, are the same people who complain linux is lacking the functionality of Windows. You can't win! :
Uhmm Core Dumps don't happen for no reason. Why don't you try running the program through a debugger and see why the program core dumps if your so good. And you could tell the coder what he/she did wrong. Sure you can do that in Windows, but it is unlikely that they would respond to you.
And uh if you have to tell us you don't suck you probably do suck.
You can put libraries anywhere all you have to do is edit ld.so.conf. Any problematic binaries you have all you have to do is type in ldd and you will see what libraries they use. You can even see what if any functions you may be missing so you can find a better version of the library. Any glibc problems you may see is a result of bad coding. Libraries are pretty well organized and you can easily see the name and version number of the libraries. (Not that there is no room for improvement though). I run slackware and have no problems with my libraries.
With the inflated registry problem when I used to run windows the registry grew larger and larger. I actually had to use a registry cleaner because it got so bad. Programming for registries is equally horrid. Please if you program for Windows use INI files. Dot files are sweet in unix and can easy be backed up and compressed. Delete your registry and what happens your system? It dies a complete death. DLLs in windows and DLLs in ELF serve very similar purposes, while I don't question the idea of DLLs I question the placement and management of DLLs. To make a long story short, installing new linux programs does not alter your DLL structure, you must independently get your DLLs your self in most cases. That to me is secure. Why have almost every program you install overwrite your DLLs or have many copies of the same DLLs lying around. That to me is not very secure or very rational.
"crash" is from hardware failure. How is linux going to stop that? Kernel workarounds I see it all the time. Like the F00F bug workaround.
Qmail has a $1000 prize for anyone who can find break it's rock solid security. I would like to see Microsoft do something like that with IIS (it'l never happen).
I think many (not all) Windows enthusiasts are like sadomasochistic slaves who like being thourougly raped and beaten all day. Microsoft is basically in the business of taking away freedom from the enduser. People hate the idea of divx, and other closed rent only technology, but this is where Microsoft is going (if not there already). Many companies even my school is forced to use MS software because of their enslavement contracts. As IT department managers start learning about the power of free software operating systems like linux, and netbsd (the most secure free OS on earth) they will force out the NT boxes from there LANs. I broke out of my chains last year and freedom is sweeet.
Slavery is a terrible thing but it is even worst when you don't even know you are in bondage. My advice, take a deep breath and look at your OS, if you have to comprise your standards or sanity to get what you want get done try free software you might be suprised.
The reason why you do so much deinstalling is because you notice that most of the stuff you are installing must be pure garbage. The other half of the software you have must be 30 day crippleware. You must belong to the group of people who believe that linux has little or no software, but i'm sorry but if your that ignorant I cannot help you.
I'm not trying to start a flame debate, but I want to point out some problems. One major problem with Windows is that most of the DLLs are stuffed in a centralized directory while the program is installing. When you are uninistalling the program deletes all of data except for many of the DLLs in fear that other programs may need that DLL. This makes your DLL directory larger and larger degrading performance. The godforsaking registry does not help anything either. Many programs leave information in the registry when deinstalled so if reinstalled it convieniently remembers your data. This inflates your registry to epic proportions. That must be the true reason why you must reinstall windows every couple of months. If you are going to critisize linux with baseless claims don't stab yourself in the ass in the process.
They do not seem to understand the nature of what they are talking about, chaos. The chaotic nature of the universe explains evolution. From order to disorder. Natural selection does not break the law of entropy it molds it. Lets say you have an animal that is perfect for warm climate, no fur, not much need for water, etc. Every once in a while there is a genetic change (mutation) which causes an a furry version of that animal. It does'nt survive very long because the warm climate does not allow it (natural selection). If there is a tilt in the earth's axis which causes very cold climate, those furry animals will flurish while the bare animals will die or migrate elseware. I don't understand how this is not logical. Bacteria do this all the time, hence drug resistant bacteria. What is unscientific about evolution?
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"..About 4,000 years ago, a catastrophic flood wiped out many forms of life on Earth -- The fish were the first to die, follow by the....."
Thats a good point!
If you're a God who wants to wipe out the earth why would you create a flood. Most marine life would survive. That can't be, because that would mean God made a mistake in his logic. Oh and I am damn sure that noah spent only a couple of weeks grabbing two of all the animals in the world to put into a boat. That has to be a hellova large boat. The engineering genious to create that boat would have to be awesome. The logistical genious that went into organising this would have to be stupendous.
It brings me back to the rock argument. If God greated a rock that nobody can lift, could he lift it? Many people would tell you yes, since God can do anything. But then you asked did he fail and they would say no, since he cannot fail! This highlights a critical point, when people talk about God logic does not apply.
Do you want these people running you school district? --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
I guess men like f*cking there sisters (or brothers in some cases)! These creationist probably believe incest is a sin. But wait, humanity started from adam and eve and their grandchildren did not just spawn out of no where!!!! I'm confused??????
Scientists are out travelling the real world to prove and create theories using logic, while these creationists derive all there facts from a book. Uhmm I think I will put my money in the people that derive there information from reality. Faith doesn't cure disease or feed the hungry. --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
That will never work, i'm sure people will find a way to exploit it.
That's the obvious problem some not so obvious problems is interaction between programs. Say program X,Z depends on program Y remove Y and you cripple X,Z.
If X,Z are important server programs, that could take down your network. It would be problematic if you could not reestablish the programs because the network is down and the codes can't reach the programs. Now lets say these are mission critical machines, you can loose millions of dollars in downtime.
I'm sure companies like Netscape have to use Microsoft programs to get some projects working. If Microsoft decides it does not approve of what Netscape is doing, they could disable servers. Could goverments be held by the balls by companies like Microsoft? Who is going to regulate the ability to use this power? I now understand why protections like copyleft and GPL exist. Businesses are not looking out for you, they are looking to get a piece of you. Please avoid dumb ideas like these they can only cause problems in the long run. Support licenses that protect you, own software and don't let software own you.
Wow it is late let me stop ranting!!! --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
There is wisdom in staying with the you already trust. Every kernel for every OS has bugs that can be exploited or take down your machine. Stable means that the kernel works well enough on enough machines and the amount of bugs are negligable to the user. There is wisdom in upgrading for these reasons:
Kernel Exploits found.
More efficient code.
More traps for GPFs.
Workarounds for Hardware errors like F00F.
Better filesystem support.
More EYES the less bugs.
The list goes on. I advise to backup your old kernel, give new kernels a try and if your computer crashes go back to the old one (Don't do this for mission critical servers). A petty crash won't fry your machine (I hope). Also complain about any anomolys you may find. The more eyes the better linux gets. That is the heart of linux's stability. --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
I'm not a fan of the term "sold out" since it could be offensive in certain contexts, but I have to agree with you on this case.
The linux community should definitely ban things like code warrior for RedHat Linux. Last time I used Redhat I could not compile something as simple as PGP 5.0, it is a terrible shame. I decided not to waste my time and went back home to slackware.
Any one who really wants a fully configurable system should chose Slack UmKay. ^_^
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The lowest total cost of ownership. Uhhhhm the total cost of ownership for my linux box has been 0.00$ last time I looked. Maybe $0.25 for Linux books because of late library books.
Is it true that I can sue for false advertising. ^_^
Of course TCO can be zero for Windows if you PIRATE the software. The world is a funny place you know! --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
PING crack.linuxppc.org (169.207.154.108): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=237 time=600.1 ms 64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=0 ttl=237 time=1618.4 ms 64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=237 time=509.8 ms 64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=237 time=479.9 ms 64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=4 ttl=237 time=650.1 ms 64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=5 ttl=237 time=419.8 ms 64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=6 ttl=237 time=459.9 ms 64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=7 ttl=237 time=419.9 ms
--- crack.linuxppc.org ping statistics --- 9 packets transmitted, 8 packets received, 11% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 419.8/644.7/1618.4 ms
I guess you can't crack whats not up. Bravo Microsoft, Bravo. The security is so good nobody can access the server. 'nuff said about that ^_^
P.S. You script kiddies who are playing with guest book should find something original to do. --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
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This is true, the more experience you have the easier it is to avoid problems that causes crashes. I believe the OS can do but so much to prevent crashes, NT can do alot better although. Being on linux for about a year now, I have had my share of crashes, but I know how to prevent these problems and it is now rock solid.
The major problem with linux from a stablility point of view is non kernel hardware support.
Since many companies still do not support linux, brilliant programmers have to create drivers for it. This causes problems with stablility for high end software. You better believe that if a driver makes it into a stable kernel release your most likely going to get a pretty stable driver.
My problem with NT is ideology. I want to be able to build anything from scratch or customize any aspect of my computer without the OS complaining. I'm sorry but in NT you cannot do that. It is also very expensive to get things done in NT (unless you pirate it). I can create a linux box for the sole purpose of pinging servers to see who and what servers are alive. Of course I could do that in NT, but the problem is overhead (I have to go through alot of bullsh*t to get things done the way I want it). This is a reason why unix will never die.
If Linux foolishly looses its customizeablitily people will migrate to *BSD and Linux will die a horrible death. --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
That is definitely bad coding style. Did you ever try the BSD version?
Actually now that I am writing, is there a specific BSD version? Maybe the FreeBSD ports collection. Oh well I think it is to late, since you have it 95% working.
Thank goodness for open source! ^_^ --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
That's not linux's fault that's the developer's fault! In linux it is assumed that the source should be open. This could happen to any OS, but that is the major point of the existence of linux. Close source gives users and developers headaches!! --------------------------- ^_^ smile death approaches.
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Yeah, the same people who complain that X is trying to copy activeX and other ideas, are the same people who complain linux is lacking the functionality of Windows. You can't win! :
Uhmm Core Dumps don't happen for no reason. Why don't you try running the program through a debugger and see why the program core dumps if your so good. And you could tell the coder what he/she did wrong. Sure you can do that in Windows, but it is unlikely that they would respond to you.
And uh if you have to tell us you don't suck you probably do suck.
Work arounds aren't perfect ya know!
I have never had problems with GTK, at all, ever.
You can put libraries anywhere all you have to do is edit ld.so.conf. Any problematic binaries you have all you have to do is type in ldd and you will see what libraries they use. You can even see what if any functions you may be missing so you can find a better version of the library. Any glibc problems you may see is a result of bad coding. Libraries are pretty well organized and you can easily see the name and version number of the libraries. (Not that there is no room for improvement though). I run slackware and have no problems with my libraries.
With the inflated registry problem when I used to run windows the registry grew larger and larger. I actually had to use a registry cleaner because it got so bad. Programming for registries is equally horrid. Please if you program for Windows use INI files. Dot files are sweet in unix and can easy be backed up and compressed. Delete your registry and what happens your system? It dies a complete death. DLLs in windows and DLLs in ELF serve very similar purposes, while I don't question the idea of DLLs I question the placement and management of DLLs. To make a long story short, installing new linux programs does not alter your DLL structure, you must independently get your DLLs your self in most cases. That to me is secure. Why have almost every program you install overwrite your DLLs or have many copies of the same DLLs lying around. That to me is not very secure or very rational.
"crash" is from hardware failure. How is linux going to stop that?
Kernel workarounds I see it all the time. Like the F00F bug workaround.
Qmail has a $1000 prize for anyone who can find break it's rock solid security. I would like to see Microsoft do something like that with IIS (it'l never happen).
I think many (not all) Windows enthusiasts are like sadomasochistic slaves who like being thourougly raped and beaten all day. Microsoft is basically in the business of taking away freedom from the enduser. People hate the idea of divx, and other closed rent only technology, but this is where Microsoft is going (if not there already). Many companies even my school is forced to use MS software because of their enslavement contracts. As IT department managers start learning about the power of free software operating systems like linux, and netbsd (the most secure free OS on earth) they will force out the NT boxes from there LANs. I broke out of my chains last year and freedom is sweeet.
Slavery is a terrible thing but it is even worst when you don't even know you are in bondage. My advice, take a deep breath and look at your OS, if you have to comprise your standards or sanity to get what you want get done try free software you might be suprised.
The reason why you do so much deinstalling is because you notice that most of the stuff you are installing must be pure garbage. The other half of the software you have must be 30 day crippleware. You must belong to the group of people who believe that linux has little or no software, but i'm sorry but if your that ignorant I cannot help you.
I'm not trying to start a flame debate, but I want to point out some problems.
One major problem with Windows is that most of the DLLs are stuffed in a centralized directory while the program is installing. When you are uninistalling the program deletes all of data except for many of the DLLs in fear that other programs may need that DLL. This makes your DLL directory larger and larger degrading performance. The godforsaking registry does not help anything either. Many programs leave information in the registry when deinstalled so if reinstalled it convieniently remembers your data. This inflates your registry to epic proportions. That must be the true reason why you must reinstall windows every couple of months. If you are going to critisize linux with baseless claims don't stab yourself in the ass in the process.
The only thing that burned me about using linux is the idea that I could have installed it sooner!
This is true for a very few, but good programmers don't have enough time to brag.
"Good programmers walk everyone else talks."
As long as sound waves exist you can record them.
- Simmz
You are right!!
They do not seem to understand the nature of what they are talking about,
chaos. The chaotic nature of the universe explains evolution. From order
to disorder. Natural selection does not break the law of entropy it molds
it. Lets say you have an animal that is perfect for warm climate, no fur,
not much need for water, etc. Every once in a while there is a genetic
change (mutation) which causes an a furry version of that animal. It
does'nt survive very long because the warm climate does not allow it
(natural selection). If there is a tilt in the earth's axis which causes
very cold climate, those furry animals will flurish while the bare animals
will die or migrate elseware. I don't understand how this is not logical.
Bacteria do this all the time, hence drug resistant bacteria.
What is unscientific about evolution?
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"..About 4,000 years ago, a catastrophic flood wiped out many forms of life on Earth -- The fish were the first to die, follow by the....."
Thats a good point!
If you're a God who wants to wipe out the earth why would you create a flood. Most marine life would survive. That can't be, because that would mean God made a mistake in his logic. Oh and I am damn sure that noah spent only a couple of weeks grabbing two of all the animals in the world to put into a boat. That has to be a hellova large boat. The engineering genious to create that boat would have to be awesome. The logistical genious that went into organising this would have to be stupendous.
It brings me back to the rock argument. If God greated a rock that nobody can lift, could he lift it? Many people would tell you yes, since God can do anything. But then you asked did he fail and they would say no, since he cannot fail! This highlights a critical point, when people talk about God logic does not apply.
Do you want these people running you school district?
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I guess men like f*cking there sisters (or brothers in some cases)! These creationist probably believe incest is a sin. But wait, humanity started from adam and eve and their grandchildren did not just spawn out of no where!!!! I'm confused??????
Scientists are out travelling the real world to prove and create theories using logic, while these creationists derive all there facts from a book.
Uhmm I think I will put my money in the people that derive there information from reality. Faith doesn't cure disease or feed the hungry.
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That will never work, i'm sure people will find a way to exploit it.
That's the obvious problem some not so obvious problems is interaction between programs.
Say program X,Z depends on program Y remove Y and you cripple X,Z.
If X,Z are important server programs, that could take down your network. It would be problematic if you could not reestablish the programs because the network is down and the codes can't reach the programs. Now lets say these are mission critical machines, you can loose millions of dollars in downtime.
I'm sure companies like Netscape have to use Microsoft programs to get some projects working. If Microsoft decides it does not approve of what Netscape is doing, they could disable servers. Could goverments be held by the balls by companies like Microsoft? Who is going to regulate the ability to use this power? I now understand why protections like copyleft and GPL exist. Businesses are not looking out for you, they are looking to get a piece of you.
Please avoid dumb ideas like these they can only cause problems in the long run. Support licenses that protect you, own software and don't let software own you.
Wow it is late let me stop ranting!!!
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Try GNUcash.
It's no Quickbooks but it is a start!
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Stable means that the kernel works well enough on enough machines and the amount of bugs are negligable to the user.
There is wisdom in upgrading for these reasons:
Kernel Exploits found.
More efficient code.
More traps for GPFs.
Workarounds for Hardware errors like F00F.
Better filesystem support.
More EYES the less bugs.
The list goes on. I advise to backup your old kernel, give new kernels a try and if your computer crashes go back to the old one
(Don't do this for mission critical servers). A petty crash won't fry your machine (I hope).
Also complain about any anomolys you may find. The more eyes the better linux gets. That is the heart of linux's stability.
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Smart users will use the pgp signature to verify the package! I do it all the time.
You can also maintain oldversions of your kernel to immediately go back if you have problems.
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PGP 5.0 can compile on slackware without a problem! Why was I trolled?
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For pissing off Tsutomu Shimomura.
That is a captial offense you know! ^_^
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I'm not a fan of the term "sold out" since it could be offensive in certain contexts, but I have to agree with you on this case.
The linux community should definitely ban things like code warrior for RedHat Linux. Last time I used Redhat I could not compile something as simple as PGP 5.0, it is a terrible shame. I decided not to waste my time and went back home to slackware.
Any one who really wants a fully configurable system should chose Slack UmKay. ^_^
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You should work for comedy central.
The lowest total cost of ownership. Uhhhhm the total cost of ownership for my linux box has been 0.00$
last time I looked. Maybe $0.25 for Linux books because of late library books.
Is it true that I can sue for false advertising.
^_^
Of course TCO can be zero for Windows if you PIRATE the software.
The world is a funny place you know!
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PING www.windows2000test.com (207.46.171.196): 56 data bytes
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--- www.windows2000test.com ping statistics ---
106 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
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PING crack.linuxppc.org (169.207.154.108): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=1 ttl=237 time=600.1 ms
64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=0 ttl=237 time=1618.4 ms
64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=2 ttl=237 time=509.8 ms
64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=3 ttl=237 time=479.9 ms
64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=4 ttl=237 time=650.1 ms
64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=5 ttl=237 time=419.8 ms
64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=6 ttl=237 time=459.9 ms
64 bytes from 169.207.154.108: icmp_seq=7 ttl=237 time=419.9 ms
--- crack.linuxppc.org ping statistics ---
9 packets transmitted, 8 packets received, 11% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 419.8/644.7/1618.4 ms
I guess you can't crack whats not up. Bravo Microsoft, Bravo. The security is so good nobody
can access the server.
'nuff said about that ^_^
P.S. You script kiddies who are playing with guest book should find something original to do.
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This is true, the more experience you have the easier it is to avoid problems that causes crashes. I believe the OS can do but so much to prevent crashes, NT can do alot better although. Being on linux for about a year now, I have had my share of crashes, but I know how to prevent these problems and it is now rock solid.
The major problem with linux from a stablility point of view is non kernel hardware support.
Since many companies still do not support linux, brilliant programmers have to create drivers for it. This causes problems with stablility for high end software. You better believe that if a driver makes it into a stable kernel release your most likely going to get a pretty stable driver.
My problem with NT is ideology. I want to be able to build anything from scratch or customize any aspect of my computer without the OS complaining. I'm sorry but in NT you cannot do that. It is also very expensive to get things done in NT (unless you pirate it). I can create a linux box for the sole purpose of pinging servers to see who and what servers are alive. Of course I could do that in NT, but the problem is overhead (I have to go through alot of bullsh*t to get things done the way I want it). This is a reason why unix will never die.
If Linux foolishly looses its customizeablitily people will migrate to *BSD and Linux will die a horrible death.
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That is definitely bad coding style. Did you ever try the BSD version?
Actually now that I am writing, is there a specific BSD version? Maybe the FreeBSD ports collection.
Oh well I think it is to late, since you have it 95% working.
Thank goodness for open source! ^_^
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That's not linux's fault that's the developer's fault! In linux it is assumed that the source should be open. This could happen to any OS, but that is the major point of the existence of linux. Close source gives users and developers headaches!!
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