Feel free to let him go. I know I like dirty bombs going off in my neighborhood.
They aren't saying "let him go," they are saying to give him a fair trial as specified in the Bill Of Rights.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Do you really care so little for others, particularly potential offspring, that you would be happy to see them grow up never having know one of their parents?
With %50 divorce rates and linear polygamy chances are about half the posters here grew up having little to no contact with one of their parents. ...I can honestly say that though I would dearly like to have children some day, I would never do so if I thought I wasn't going to be around to support them growing up.
Nothing in life is certain, you could have a child in the confines of the happiest marraige and still get killed crossing the street before it reached puberty.
You sound as if you've never overcome your father's and stepfather's misfortunes, perhaps psychological consuling is in order?
still prefer using classic mozilla (writing this inside mozilla 1.8 beta) to firefox, because last time I checked firefox (been a while), it was so low on features.
Though your post is a bit trollish, there are a few who are with you in prefering the suite. Mozilla is my desktop as far as the internet is concerned. Now that they want to force everyone to use seperate apps I really have a hard time justifying keeping just yet another browser around. Konq keeps getting better with every KDE release and Kmail and Knode are sufficient, Still, there is something nostalgic about Mozilla that will keep me using the suite until it totally dies out, and I am keeping an eye on the Seamonkey project.
Saying that things don't work will not get help. Giving specific information works, regardless of what you are asking for help with.
Often a new user doesn't know enough to give specifics, they have to be pried out of him. Unless you want to pay someone to come over and diagnose things for you.
Or use friendly distros, such as Gentoo, Ubuntu, etc.
A few years ago when I switched from Red Hat I answered a question by pointing out the appropriate man page and caught all kinds of flak from others on the Gentoo forums. Back then I felt as you, but now that I see people who were new to Linux then contributing today the flak makes sense.
You see, not everybody learns the same way. Some of us our technically inclined, others are more artistic. All have something to give as long as we don't scare them off.
That is what mailing lists and irc and usenet and LUGS are for.
How to ask:
I wanted to do X when my system was doing X'. I did the following steps: X1 X2 X3...
I now get the following symptoms: S1 S2 S3...
How can I get back to a system which does X' (the original state), or to a system which does X (preferred)?
I see there are still those who think the best way to help new users is to tell them to read the fine manual on how to ask questions. Better is to just switch them to distros with newbie friendly forums.
...and on the same day I finally switched to Ubuntu. First time I read/. after installing Ubuntu, I see this! Typical.:-)
I moved my g/f to Kubuntu after she lost KDE on her Debian unstable machine with an upgrade the other day. I'll probably stick to Gentoo myself but I must say so far it does look like the perfect combo of being fairly stable but up to date.
In any (semi) capitalist economy, a system of patents and other methods of enforcing intellectual property is necessary (So that the creator is justly rewarded for his effort in creating something new). I agree with this, but now it seems as if the effort and cost of getting a valid new patent is ridiculous. P Patents protect monopolists, not capitalists.
She's already starting her run to the center for her presidential bid in 2008. Hopefully most people will see right through this.
Yes, hopefully they will, that way they can still vote for her knowing that it will take a centrist Democrat to win. She represents the worst of the Democrats in that she doesn't have any positions that won't change based on tomorrow's opinion poll. Not only that, she repesents the "government knows better than you" wing as well.
What, are you out to sabotage the Democrats and let the Republicans continue to increase their power in the government? Look at Congress. Look at the Whitehouse. They are in control precisely because the current crop of Democrats aren't willing to give in to public opinion.
However this is pure stupidity. The game has to have a downloaded patch to get it to work on a modded XBox. This is unlikely to fall in the hands of the average 7 year old by accident.
Of course you're right, but she is trying to appeal to the moderate right. I really wish the far left would learn to tone down their rheteroic some, if it weren't for their big mouths scaring off middle America we'd have civil unions and national healthcare in this country by now.
For debates you have this "Freedom to express your opinion", or equivalently, but characteristically sloppily worded, the American "Freedom of speech", while for the general case you seem to advocate the less established mantra "Freedom to exchange any bits I like". You are probably equating the two with eachother, potentially because of the sloppiness of the "Freedom of speech" phrase, but historically this freedom is all about opinions, not about bits. All opinions might be bits, but it doesn't follow that all bits are opinions.
Bits are "switches", they are either "on" or "off". Which state do you propose restricting?
But if majority ruled, what would we have... anarchy? Racism? Fascism?
We've had those in the past, some even say the present as far as Fascism (the marraige of government and business) is concerned. But copyright laws are by the Constitution entirely at the discretion of Congress. If enough members decide that a year of protection is sufficient, then a year it will be.
How is this insightful? That metaphor is way off base. Prohibition put morality on trial, while pirating software is theft of a product that required development time, support, administrative costs, etc. You're proposing that we take action against our legislators that feel that stealing should be punished? Do we revert to a feudal society next? I think if you really looked for a mandate on this issue you would find that perhaps besides the subsection of online culture that makes up many Slashdot readers like yourself, people don't think theft should be legalized.
Perhaps it is you who should look outside your niche for a mandate. I don't work in the computer field, it's just a hobby, and go out to bars three or four times a week but I find people talking about how to share music and movies at both work and play.
Does this remind anyone else of the raids on speakeasies in the twenties? These "get tough" tactics are likely to be as effective in stopping file sharing as Prohibition was in stopping drinking. When laws exist that make the majority of the population criminals, and I've seen estimates that more people download copyrighted files in the US alone than voted in the last Presidential election, then it is time to try the lawmakers...not the people.
It's not the same, and it has nothing to do with images and words. In the first case you ban something, in the second, you ban debate on the policy of banning. The difference is enormous.
No, the difference is not "enormous". Images and words are nothing more than bits of data passing between computers on the internet. The same goes for software, music, and videos. That is why so many people cringe at any type of censorship whether it be to enforce anti-smut laws or copyrights.
Everything is just a number, man. Try opening up a few different file types in a hex editor if you are still having trouble understanding this.
As a software consumer who never ever wants to be forced to agree to a EULA just to get better performance from my software I have to favor the GPL. Screw those who want to screw others, if you want to charge me for something then make it yourself from scratch.
seriously doubt it was a computer that he 'connected too' and received an IP from. Ever hear of a router or an access point? Instructions on how to connect... pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Of course I've heard of routers and access points. I've chosen to tell mine not to broadcast or accept unknown connections, the owner of this apparently opted to do the opposite. And yes, the instructions on how to connect were provided by the idiot who chose to keep his router public.
you both have it 100% wrong. What makes it a felony is, "Whoever willfully, knowingly, and without authorization: Accesses or causes to be accessed any computer, computer system, or computer network;....In this case he DID get into trouble for "stealing" Wi-Fi.
The computer he connected to broadcast instructions on how to do so into the street then gave him an IP when he followed those instructions. How much more authorization does a person need?
I think this is probably part of the problem... too many people are wishing them luck and not enough people are actually doing anything to address the problem.
Well you have to admit, the Debian elite have not exactly been known to welcome new users with open arms. Don't get me wrong, I really have a great admiration for their work, but it would seem to me the best source of new developers would be from a pool of motivated users.
may have a 100 digit number that no one has ever seen before, novelty. That 100 digit number can be quite non-obvious. That 100 digit number can even be quite useful. However numbers, logic, and math are not inventions. The notion of patents on them is fundamentally broken.
Extend your thoughts to numbers with a billion decimal places and you will understand why I'm arguing that not only are software patents broken but so are copyrights on software and copyrights on any type of digital content. A number is a number, no matter how big that number is.
On the contrary, I try and protect others before they have to learn the hard way, and to educate those who think it's "no big deal". If you seriously know anything about recovery then you know that we have to give it away in order to keep it. Trying to stop people before they get started is a big part of that.
What I know about recovery is part professional from working with addicts who have destroyed their bodies, and part personal from going to meetings with a S/O in recovery for a couple of years. The AlAnon folks tried to get me to join them but after a couple of their meetings I began to see they were just as sick if not sicker than the addicts.
Both groups were all about controlling others. The addicts would use their addiction to get what they wanted, and the AlAnon people would use guilt to get what they wanted. What I'm getting from you is you may have been an addict, and now you are in the other group.
Strawberries don't consume you from the inside out until you're a shell of a human being like crack or heroin can. Some are just interested in making excuses so you can smoke your weed and not be hassled by the police. You think it's not only not a problem for you, but not a problem for anybody else either. You're very much mistaken, and your careless attitude ensures that drug addiction is alive and well. You should ask yourself what it would take before you consider marijuana a problem, whether it's a problem of yours or something like somebody stealing your car stereo so they can go buy a bag.
I haven't smoked pot in close to thirty years. I am a social drinker, something my former S/O could never be. She was a drunk, now she is a recovering alcholic. When she first went into recovery she used the same tactics that you are using now, and that is laying on a guilt trip whenever I drank a beer in front of her.
You are responible for you, and though the 12th step is to give your recovery away what you are trying to do is preempt recovery. That you simply can not do because it denies others the ability to reach the 1st step.
The announcement about the investigation follows Monday's unanimous Supreme Court ruling that developers of file sharing software can be held liable if consumers use the software to download copyrighted music, movies or other materials.
I see they are forgetting to include the promoting infringing use for profit part of that decision, just as CNN did. Man, even Fox got that part right.
Yep and I guarantee you that all of those people who overdosed on the hard stuff would have started with marijuana and worked their way down to something harder. It's why we call it addiction. One you take that first step, it's a slippery slope.
It sounds like you would be happy if prohibition returned. All that did was make millions of criminals because of a few and encouraged them to associate with bootleggers.
I not only experienced it firsthand, I saw and heard what it did to others unlike the average Slashdot reader. The thing about being an addict is that you don't know it until it's too late.
Some people don't know they are allergic to strawberries until it is too late either, does that mean you outlaw strawberries? I hope you are still involved with the friends of Bill W. because you are still showing the controlling aspects of your addiction by expecting others to be responsible for your behaviour.
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The choice of what to do with it is in the hands of the creator, not what the masses want.
Unless the masses decide to ignore the laws enforcing the creator's rights, which seems to be the case at present.
Nice of slashdot editors to link to the torrents, but do you really want to promote a site like torrenreactor, a place that knowingly links to torrents to copyrighted works??
They have to provide links to copyrighted works if they want people to use torrents to download distros.
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Feel free to let him go. I know I like dirty bombs going off in my neighborhood.
They aren't saying "let him go," they are saying to give him a fair trial as specified in the Bill Of Rights.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Do you really care so little for others, particularly potential offspring, that you would be happy to see them grow up never having know one of their parents?
With %50 divorce rates and linear polygamy chances are about half the posters here grew up having little to no contact with one of their parents.
Nothing in life is certain, you could have a child in the confines of the happiest marraige and still get killed crossing the street before it reached puberty.
You sound as if you've never overcome your father's and stepfather's misfortunes, perhaps psychological consuling is in order?
still prefer using classic mozilla (writing this inside mozilla 1.8 beta) to firefox, because last time I checked firefox (been a while), it was so low on features.
Though your post is a bit trollish, there are a few who are with you in prefering the suite. Mozilla is my desktop as far as the internet is concerned. Now that they want to force everyone to use seperate apps I really have a hard time justifying keeping just yet another browser around. Konq keeps getting better with every KDE release and Kmail and Knode are sufficient, Still, there is something nostalgic about Mozilla that will keep me using the suite until it totally dies out, and I am keeping an eye on the Seamonkey project.
Saying that things don't work will not get help. Giving specific information works, regardless of what you are asking for help with.
Often a new user doesn't know enough to give specifics, they have to be pried out of him.
Unless you want to pay someone to come over and diagnose things for you.
Or use friendly distros, such as Gentoo, Ubuntu, etc.
A few years ago when I switched from Red Hat I answered a question by pointing out the appropriate man page and caught all kinds of flak from others on the Gentoo forums. Back then I felt as you, but now that I see people who were new to Linux then contributing today the flak makes sense.
You see, not everybody learns the same way. Some of us our technically inclined, others are more artistic. All have something to give as long as we don't scare them off.
That is what mailing lists and irc and usenet and LUGS are for.
How to ask:
I wanted to do X when my system was doing X'.
I did the following steps:
X1
X2
X3...
I now get the following symptoms:
S1
S2
S3...
How can I get back to a system which does X' (the original state), or to a system which does X (preferred)?
I see there are still those who think the best way to help new users is to tell them to read the fine manual on how to ask questions. Better is to just switch them to distros with newbie friendly forums.
People need to be aware where the money is going, before they make the moral argument for piracy of goods.
Well then, obviously the only way to be sure your money never goes to support neferious enterprises is to never pay any money at all.
I moved my g/f to Kubuntu after she lost KDE on her Debian unstable machine with an upgrade the other day. I'll probably stick to Gentoo myself but I must say so far it does look like the perfect combo of being fairly stable but up to date.
In any (semi) capitalist economy, a system of patents and other methods of enforcing intellectual property is necessary (So that the creator is justly rewarded for his effort in creating something new). I agree with this, but now it seems as if the effort and cost of getting a valid new patent is ridiculous.
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Patents protect monopolists, not capitalists.
She's already starting her run to the center for her presidential bid in 2008. Hopefully most people will see right through this.
Yes, hopefully they will, that way they can still vote for her knowing that it will take a centrist Democrat to win.
She represents the worst of the Democrats in that she doesn't have any positions that won't change based on tomorrow's opinion poll. Not only that, she repesents the "government knows better than you" wing as well.
What, are you out to sabotage the Democrats and let the Republicans continue to increase their power in the government? Look at Congress. Look at the Whitehouse. They are in control precisely because the current crop of Democrats aren't willing to give in to public opinion.
However this is pure stupidity. The game has to have a downloaded patch to get it to work on a modded XBox. This is unlikely to fall in the hands of the average 7 year old by accident.
Of course you're right, but she is trying to appeal to the moderate right. I really wish the far left would learn to tone down their rheteroic some, if it weren't for their big mouths scaring off middle America we'd have civil unions and national healthcare in this country by now.
For debates you have this "Freedom to express your opinion", or equivalently, but characteristically sloppily worded, the American "Freedom of speech", while for the general case you seem to advocate the less established mantra "Freedom to exchange any bits I like". You are probably equating the two with eachother, potentially because of the sloppiness of the "Freedom of speech" phrase, but historically this freedom is all about opinions, not about bits. All opinions might be bits, but it doesn't follow that all bits are opinions.
Bits are "switches", they are either "on" or "off". Which state do you propose restricting?
But if majority ruled, what would we have... anarchy? Racism? Fascism?
We've had those in the past, some even say the present as far as Fascism (the marraige of government and business) is concerned. But copyright laws are by the Constitution entirely at the discretion of Congress. If enough members decide that a year of protection is sufficient, then a year it will be.
How is this insightful? That metaphor is way off base. Prohibition put morality on trial, while pirating software is theft of a product that required development time, support, administrative costs, etc. You're proposing that we take action against our legislators that feel that stealing should be punished? Do we revert to a feudal society next? I think if you really looked for a mandate on this issue you would find that perhaps besides the subsection of online culture that makes up many Slashdot readers like yourself, people don't think theft should be legalized.
Perhaps it is you who should look outside your niche for a mandate. I don't work in the computer field, it's just a hobby, and go out to bars three or four times a week but I find people talking about how to share music and movies at both work and play.
Does this remind anyone else of the raids on speakeasies in the twenties? These "get tough" tactics are likely to be as effective in stopping file sharing as Prohibition was in stopping drinking. When laws exist that make the majority of the population criminals, and I've seen estimates that more people download copyrighted files in the US alone than voted in the last Presidential election, then it is time to try the lawmakers...not the people.
It's not the same, and it has nothing to do with images and words. In the first case you ban something, in the second, you ban debate on the policy of banning. The difference is enormous.
No, the difference is not "enormous". Images and words are nothing more than bits of data passing between computers on the internet. The same goes for software, music, and videos. That is why so many people cringe at any type of censorship whether it be to enforce anti-smut laws or copyrights.
Everything is just a number, man. Try opening up a few different file types in a hex editor if you are still having trouble understanding this.
The GPL license is perfect for developers.
The BSD license is perfect for everybody else.
As a software consumer who never ever wants to be forced to agree to a EULA just to get better performance from my software I have to favor the GPL. Screw those who want to screw others, if you want to charge me for something then make it yourself from scratch.
seriously doubt it was a computer that he 'connected too' and received an IP from. Ever hear of a router or an access point? Instructions on how to connect
Of course I've heard of routers and access points. I've chosen to tell mine not to broadcast or accept unknown connections, the owner of this apparently opted to do the opposite. And yes, the instructions on how to connect were provided by the idiot who chose to keep his router public.
you both have it 100% wrong. What makes it a felony is, "Whoever willfully, knowingly, and without authorization: Accesses or causes to be accessed any computer, computer system, or computer network;....In this case he DID get into trouble for "stealing" Wi-Fi.
The computer he connected to broadcast instructions on how to do so into the street then gave him an IP when he followed those instructions. How much more authorization does a person need?
I think this is probably part of the problem... too many people are wishing them luck and not enough people are actually doing anything to address the problem.
Well you have to admit, the Debian elite have not exactly been known to welcome new users with open arms. Don't get me wrong, I really have a great admiration for their work, but it would seem to me the best source of new developers would be from a pool of motivated users.
may have a 100 digit number that no one has ever seen before, novelty. That 100 digit number can be quite non-obvious. That 100 digit number can even be quite useful. However numbers, logic, and math are not inventions. The notion of patents on them is fundamentally broken.
Extend your thoughts to numbers with a billion decimal places and you will understand why I'm arguing that not only are software patents broken but so are copyrights on software and copyrights on any type of digital content. A number is a number, no matter how big that number is.
On the contrary, I try and protect others before they have to learn the hard way, and to educate those who think it's "no big deal". If you seriously know anything about recovery then you know that we have to give it away in order to keep it. Trying to stop people before they get started is a big part of that.
What I know about recovery is part professional from working with addicts who have destroyed their bodies, and part personal from going to meetings with a S/O in recovery for a couple of years. The AlAnon folks tried to get me to join them but after a couple of their meetings I began to see they were just as sick if not sicker than the addicts.
Both groups were all about controlling others. The addicts would use their addiction to get what they wanted, and the AlAnon people would use guilt to get what they wanted. What I'm getting from you is you may have been an addict, and now you are in the other group.
Strawberries don't consume you from the inside out until you're a shell of a human being like crack or heroin can. Some are just interested in making excuses so you can smoke your weed and not be hassled by the police. You think it's not only not a problem for you, but not a problem for anybody else either. You're very much mistaken, and your careless attitude ensures that drug addiction is alive and well. You should ask yourself what it would take before you consider marijuana a problem, whether it's a problem of yours or something like somebody stealing your car stereo so they can go buy a bag.
I haven't smoked pot in close to thirty years. I am a social drinker, something my former S/O could never be. She was a drunk, now she is a recovering alcholic. When she first went into recovery she used the same tactics that you are using now, and that is laying on a guilt trip whenever I drank a beer in front of her.
You are responible for you, and though the 12th step is to give your recovery away what you are trying to do is preempt recovery. That you simply can not do because it denies others the ability to reach the 1st step.
From the article:
The announcement about the investigation follows Monday's unanimous Supreme Court ruling that developers of file sharing software can be held liable if consumers use the software to download copyrighted music, movies or other materials.
I see they are forgetting to include the promoting infringing use for profit part of that decision, just as CNN did. Man, even Fox got that part right.
Yep and I guarantee you that all of those people who overdosed on the hard stuff would have started with marijuana and worked their way down to something harder. It's why we call it addiction. One you take that first step, it's a slippery slope.
It sounds like you would be happy if prohibition returned. All that did was make millions of criminals because of a few and encouraged them to associate with bootleggers.
I not only experienced it firsthand, I saw and heard what it did to others unlike the average Slashdot reader. The thing about being an addict is that you don't know it until it's too late.
Some people don't know they are allergic to strawberries until it is too late either, does that mean you outlaw strawberries? I hope you are still involved with the friends of Bill W. because you are still showing the controlling aspects of your addiction by expecting others to be responsible for your behaviour.
The choice of what to do with it is in the hands of the creator, not what the masses want.
Unless the masses decide to ignore the laws enforcing the creator's rights, which seems to be the case at present.
Nice of slashdot editors to link to the torrents, but do you really want to promote a site like torrenreactor, a place that knowingly links to torrents to copyrighted works??
They have to provide links to copyrighted works if they want people to use torrents to download distros.