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Star Trek's Scotty Dies at 85

darkworm writes "James Doohan, better known to Trekkies everywhere as Scotty, has died at the age of 85. James was suffering from both Parkinsons and Alzheimer's and died earlier today at his home"

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  1. Mirror + better obituary by winkydink · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a mirror here and a better obit from CNN here.

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    1. Re:Mirror + better obituary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The link in the article summary isn't even to an obituary -- it describes an event honoring Doohan that occurred a year ago. A new low for Slashdot. Thanks for providing a good link.

    2. Re:Mirror + better obituary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      BBC obituary here.

    3. Re:Mirror + better obituary by dextroz · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Mirror + better obituary by darkonc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Might as well throw in The CBC Obit, as well (given that he was born in Canada).

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    5. Re:Mirror + better obituary by Johnny+O · · Score: 1

      Im kinda shocked that it isnt anywhere on the NYT front page yet it is even on the BBC

    6. Re:Mirror + better obituary by sunwukong · · Score: 1

      Slightly OT: both he and Shatner were trained in acting at Lorne Greene's (Adm Adama of the old BG series) school in Toronto.

    7. Re:Mirror + better obituary by melikamp · · Score: 1

      He isn't really dead, he's just been beamed up.

    8. Re:Mirror + better obituary by Laura_DilDio · · Score: 0
      He accused Shatner of hogging the camera, adding: "I like Captain Kirk, but I sure don't like Bill. He's so insecure that all he can think about is himself."
      The CNN obit was from the associated press. The above line is an example of what NOT to include in an obituary -- very petty and irrelevant.

      The BBC one certainly has more class than this tripe.
  2. Beam me up! by boingyzain · · Score: 1, Funny

    I guess God decided to beam him up :( RIP.

    1. Re:Beam me up! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Anybody have a genisis device? :(
      Actually shed tears at work. Had to come out of the closet about being a trekkie/er (even though I never thought so till now).
      -nB

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    2. Re:Beam me up! by dextroz · · Score: 1

      You are not alone - the last time it happened to me was when Asimov passed away.

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    3. Re:Beam me up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You give dorks a bad name...

    4. Re:Beam me up! by dextroz · · Score: 1

      Look who's talking - you don't have the balls to turn off AC...

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    5. Re:Beam me up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh. My. God. Isaac Asimov is dead? Does Carl Sagan know about this? I heard they were friends.

  3. Rest in peace.

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    1. Re:RIP by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1
      He.. was the most... human.

      ... or at least the most consistantly drunk.

      It's green!

    2. Re:RIP by IcyNeko · · Score: 1

      Aye laddie. But at least it kept the Enterprise beating those Klingon devils.

    3. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow! that sounded just... like... captain... kirk.

    4. Re:RIP by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Repeating what I wrote at the time of Jimmy's last public appearance: May your dilithium crystals be fully charged, your matter/anti-matter reaction balanced, your wee bairns well cared for, and I wish you a safe and painless transport to your final shore leave.

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    5. Re:RIP by drsmack1 · · Score: 1

      I'm stunned no one caught the reference here.

      I don't think I'll ever forget Kirk's line at the end of Star Trek II; "Of all the people I've ever known... he was the most human."

    6. Re:RIP by pallmall1 · · Score: 1

      Goodbye, Mr. Scott.

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    7. Re:RIP by PiratePTG · · Score: 1

      Warp speed, James... You've been an inspiration to Engineers everywhere...

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    8. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What a great comment. I've included it in my blog post regarding "Scotty's" death.

      Scotty Beams up

  4. Yes, I am going to hell for this... by toupsie · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's dead, Jim! -- Bones

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    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
    1. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      funny, but it was way funnier when DeForest Kelly died

    2. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by thephotoman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So is Bones.

      And it looks like the guy in the red shirt does always die, even if it's Scotty.

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    3. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by macklin01 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Quick! You get his tricorder; I'll get his wallet. :-)

      In all seriousness, godspeed, Scotty! -- Paul

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    4. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Isn't it "watery tarts distributing swords"?

    5. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by RexDart · · Score: 4, Funny

      He could nae change the laws of physics, Captain.

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    6. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 4, Interesting
      And it looks like the guy in the red shirt does always die.

      What would be ironic is if the actors who played the "red shirts" on the old series actually outlived all the principle actors. I wonder if any of the "expendable ensigns" have passed on?

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    7. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Clock+Nova · · Score: 1

      No, he's right. You're thinking of this:

      "You can't expect to wield supreme, executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you."

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    8. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by CoffeeJedi · · Score: 1

      nah, he probably would have appreciated it :)

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    9. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by metlin · · Score: 1


      I hope he gets beamed up! :-)

    10. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by blzabub · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps: I don't 'ave the power, Captain.

    11. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by plover · · Score: 1

      Look, if I went around saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

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      John
    12. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone dies, red shirt or no, given enough time.

    13. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Clock+Nova · · Score: 1

      That's "moistened bink" you vacuous, toffy-nosed, malodorous pervert!

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    14. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Google be thy friend, laddie.

      "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. You can't expect to wield supreme power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"

    15. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by APDent · · Score: 1

      Seems silly to argue, but, no it isn't.

      I looked for a more official source, but those are the best I could come up with.

    16. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Umuri · · Score: 1

      Beam me up goddy

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    17. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by darkonc · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd go for the Tricorder.. Federation Credits wouldn't be worth anything here and now, and Doohan's credit cards are probably already cancelled -- but I could probably sell the tricordor on ebay for Millions.

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    18. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Knara · · Score: 1

      Seeing as "bint" is a well-known bit of British slang for someone of the female persuasion, I'd say you're soundly wrong.

    19. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, even Scotty died during the TV series, on the episode with Nomad, "The Changeling".

      And was brought back to life.

      Man, if only it were possible. Jimmy, we'll miss you. Thanks for all the great times and great memories.

      And great lines.

      "It's green"

      "Hello, Computer".

      "Ach, a keyboard...how quaint"

      "You didn't tell him how long it'll really take did you? How do you expect to keep your reputation as a miracle worker".

      and many MANY more.

    20. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by Clock+Nova · · Score: 1

      Yes, it seems that I am.

      Of course, if you came here for a good argument...

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    21. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by plover · · Score: 1

      No you didn't. No, you came here for an argument.

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    22. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by frostw · · Score: 1

      Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?

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    23. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by frostw · · Score: 1

      Pity Google let you down then, it's "Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony"

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    24. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by azalin · · Score: 1

      Not beamed, but to space anyway (BBC News)

      Rest in peace

    25. Re:Yes, I am going to hell for this... by NuShrike · · Score: 1

      They should considering they were probably all younger than the principal actors.

  5. Beem him on up... by SnowDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Beem him on up to the big NCC-1701 in the sky. You will be missed Mr. Doohan.

    1. Re:Beem him on up... by mesach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait, If Scotty is gone who is going to beam me up?

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    2. Re:Beem him on up... by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You will be missed Mr. Doohan.

      More so than any of the Trek characters, methinks. How many of us here were first inspired into tech geekdom by Chief Enginner Scott?

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    3. Re:Beem him on up... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Informative
      You will be missed Mr. Doohan.

      Mostly by his 5 year old son I should think.

      Sarah Doohan is a girl.

      The mind boggles - how much of an asshole do you have to be to have children at that age?

      These things are not always planned. It's easy to call other people assholes when you can imagine whatever circumstances you like to support your judgement. Jackass.

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    4. Re:Beem him on up... by DanielNS84 · · Score: 1

      Flamebait indeed for the way it's phrased, although he makes a valid point on some levels. While the child will obviously grow up without a father, I'm sure he made provisions for his financial future. Personally I haven't spoken to my father in around 3 years and I'm all the more happy for it. Really it's a point of view thing most of all.

    5. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Apparently it's a daughter, Sarah. At least he provided well for her, probably a more responsible stance than some jerk having his fifth kid at 20, and living off wellfare. I know who I respect more, that's for sure.

      I have no problem with old people having kids, as long as they're provided for.

    6. Re:Beem him on up... by Jason+Earl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And all things considered I would bet that Sarah Doohan doesn't mind the fact that she exists.

    7. Re:Beem him on up... by jcr · · Score: 1

      What business is it of yours if someone wants to have a kid?

      Jimmy Doohan was worth a million of you, you jealous little git.

      -jcr

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    8. Re:Beem him on up... by idontgno · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I still deal with management on project schedules according to the "Scotty's Rule". Quoting the biography of Montgomery Scott at Memory Alpha:
      [H]is knowledge and ability to save the ship in a jam would eventually lead to his reputation aboard the Enterprise of that of a 'miracle worker'. This was brought about by his reputation for being able to effect starship repairs in much shorter time periods than were generally accepted as being required. Scott later admitted that he often padded his stated times needed for repairs by a factor of four, in order to appear that much faster.

      In other words, make a good-faith estimate, then double it, because that's the pad to get it done "faster" than you project. Then double it again, because your good-faith estimate is always optimistic.

      RIP, Captain Scott, and clear subspace.

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    9. Re:Beem him on up... by 47F0 · · Score: 1

      Sigh. You live in a perfect world, and hopefully, your perfect genes will not be passed on. It is an imperfect world. Do you know how many children of parents with less than perfect circumstances you would condemn? Some of whom have contributed greatly to mankind, let alone having had happy lives.

      It strikes me that a woman with enough love in her heart to genuinely care for an aging (admit it) character actor may be more than capabable of giving enough love to see her child through life?

      I have some better advice for you - just abstain altogether. It's the only way to be sure.

      Sheez

    10. Re:Beem him on up... by glimmy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Welshy of course

    11. Re:Beem him on up... by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My father died when I was one year old. He knew he was going to die. My mother knew he was going to die. I am not an accident.

      I do not consider my conception reprehensible behavior on the part of either of my parents. I'm rather glad to be here. Thanks mom and dad. The weather is lovely today and I'm angst free about the whole thing, no matter how unfasionable that may be these days.

      My mother is rather glad to have me here as well, as was my father's mother before she too passed on.

      I am something of him for them; and as I am half him he can hardly have "left" me.

      KFG

    12. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What business is it of yours if someone wants to have a kid?

      At 80, are you kidding me? Are you really that selfish that you think that is acceptable and responsible behaviour?

      AFAIC, children are not mere 'property' you may have and treat as you see fit, they are human beings and you have some level of moral responsibility towards them. YMMV (and apparently, does).

      Do you really care so little for others, particularly potential offspring, that you would be happy to see them grow up never having know one of their parents? If so, then I regret to inform you that this would make you an asshole as well.

      Jimmy Doohan was worth a million of you, you jealous little git.

      How bizarre, why on earth do you think I'm jealous of him? Trust me, I'm really not. I can do a proper Scottish accent for a start (being Scottish) and trust me it sounds nothing like his take.

      Having grown up without a father (because he was so screwed up over never knowing his parents, as he was adopted, that he fell into a spiral of self destruction) and lost another in the last couple of years (in the form of my stepfather, from cancer) I can honestly say that though I would dearly like to have children some day, I would never do so if I thought I wasn't going to be around to support them growing up.

    13. Re:Beem him on up... by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      Kirk: "Mr. Scott, are you sure you don't want to take shore-leave on this luxurious planet we're orbiting."

      Scotty: "Oh no sir, I'm catching up on my technical manuals."

    14. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't say "methinks". Don't ever, ever say "methinks" again.

      It's so annoying.

    15. Re:Beem him on up... by gaudior · · Score: 1

      Transporter Chief Kyle, of course.

    16. Re:Beem him on up... by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Damn right. Not only did he expertly play the character that hooked many a kid on the idea of science and engineering, but was also a decorated war veteran and a genuine class act. He was always warm and receptive to his fans and a beloved fixture of the convention circuit.

      He will be truely missed.

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    17. Re:Beem him on up... by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      Huh? Don't you mean Transporter Chief Miles O'Brien?

    18. Re:Beem him on up... by jejones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Beem him on up to the big NCC-1701 in the sky.

      And no bloody A, B, C, or D, either.

    19. Re:Beem him on up... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      I'm catching up on my technical manuals.

      It probably involved a lot of hand work. Nudge nudge, wink wink

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    20. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I would be marvellous if everyone was able to take it in their stride, but unfortunately there are lots of children's homes with deeply disturbed children that bear unfortunate testament to that not being so (and as I've already posted, my own father would also fit into that category, though the circumstances are slightly different).

      In truth, it wrecks some peoples lives, in the case of my own father (who I grew up without), who - being adopted - never knew his parents and when he found this out his life took a nose dive. My stepfather died in my early 20's (from cancer), even as an adult (let alone a child) I still wish he was around to talk to and give and take advice from.

      We should also not forget, that at age 80, Mr. Doohan will have suffered quite significant degradation in cell quality and this will impact on his sperm and the genes passed on (and so, unfortunately in his children). The risks are not quite as pronounced as they are in women (who at just age 45 have a 1 in 30 likelihood of having a baby with Down syndrome, for example), but they are there none the less (and might not crop up till much later).

    21. Re:Beem him on up... by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      I can honestly say that though I would dearly like to have children some day, I would never do so if I thought I wasn't going to be around to support them growing up.

      Frankly, I didn't know Doohan personally... and neither did you. He might be one of those folks that finds the idea of abortion reprehensible. Or perhaps he was religious and it was verboten to use birth control.

      What may come as a complete surprise to you, but the reason people are calling you a jerk is because you're too quick to throw your morals onto situations with no knowledge whatsoever of that situation. You pretend your armchair observations trump actually being in the situation. Doohan probably had the wherewithal to have arranged for the best he could for his children, and that could easily be far better than some situations I've witnessed where both parents were very much alive, and very much messed up. The children would've been better cared for in a foster home than with those monsters.

      STFU already with your armchair morality lesson.

    22. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well put, and congrats on a great take on what can be seen by some as a tragic situation.

    23. Re:Beem him on up... by AviLazar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, it is not always planned - at any age. My dad age 60 and his wife, age 55 both had a child few years ago. They did not expect it - nor did they think it was possible. It could very well happen that my dad will pass before my baby half brother will turn 20...does that make my dad an asshole? No.

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    24. Re:Beem him on up... by SYFer · · Score: 1

      OK, so you make a fair point or two about responsible parenting decisions, but aside from that, you called a beloved man an "asshole" on the day of his death (in a forum filled with his fans). I think you're being reviled here because of your exrtreme lack of tact. Maybe it's time to come to terms with your own family history and get that chip off your shoulder, mate.

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    25. Re:Beem him on up... by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Snottie, of course. Snottie beamed me twice last night, it was ... wonderful.

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    26. Re:Beem him on up... by jcr · · Score: 1

      Are you really that selfish that you think that is acceptable and responsible behaviour?

      Are you really so self-absorbed that you presume to make such a decision for anyone else?

      Having grown up without a father

      Well then, sucks to be you, I guess, but your own circumstances have nothing to do with Jimmy Doohan and his kids.

      -jcr

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    27. Re:Beem him on up... by Cassanova · · Score: 1
      From Wikipedia:
      "Doohan's first marriage to Judy Doohan produced four children. He had two children by his second marriage to Anita Yagel. Both marriages ended in divorce. In 1974 he married Wende Braunberger, and their children were Eric, Thomas and Sarah, who was born in 2000, when Doohan was 80."

      It was not like he desparately tried to have kids and was not successful till he was 80. He already had 6 children from 2 previous marriages.

      Still, who am I to comment on the private lives of admired celebrities....

    28. Re:Beem him on up... by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      You're referencing the wrong bit o' anatomy with regard to what it takes to father a child.

    29. Re:Beem him on up... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Kyle was TOS era. O'Brien was TNG/DS9 era.

    30. Re:Beem him on up... by uberdave · · Score: 1

      Miles O'Brien was the transporter chief on Picard's Enterprise. Kyle was the transporter chief on Kirk's enterprise.

    31. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 0, Troll

      Frankly, I didn't know Doohan personally... and neither did you. He might be one of those folks that finds the idea of abortion reprehensible. Or perhaps he was religious and it was verboten to use birth control.

      I do not consider "Because God told me to." an acceptable excuse for unethical behaviour and I never will.

      with no knowledge whatsoever of that situation

      That's where you wrong, we do have knowledge of the situation, certainly enough to make reasonable judgement on the matter.

      You seem to inferring their are extenuating circumstances (which we cannot imagine) that legitimise his decision in this regard. If not, then you would then concede his behaviour was indeed inappropriate it would one would assume.

      Unfortunately, it's likely he was just quite a selfish man who placed his own desires ahead of the needs and best interests of any prospective children, as many people (if not most) regrettably do.

      I've witnessed where both parents were very much alive, and very much messed up.

      That also happens and it's also bad and worthy of equal criticism.

      STFU already with your armchair morality lesson

      Well apparently some people are living in a moral vacuum and could do with a reality check (even from a heathen atheist). It's also poorly categorised as 'armchair morality', as I say, I practice what I preach and always use contraception during recreational sex (usually relying on more than one form), YMMV.

    32. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Are you really so self-absorbed that you presume to make such a decision for anyone else?

      Damn right I do, I some things very simply fall into that category, it's also not okay to abuse your kids, or to deny them a basic level of education, for example - and I don't think parents should have any say in that.

      your own circumstances have nothing to do with Jimmy Doohan and his kids.

      Erm, other than the blindingly obvious, no.

    33. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, the guy's not shooting blanks at age 80. If I live that long, I hope I can enjoy my life that much.

    34. Re:Beem him on up... by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's the lines from the TNG episode "Relics":

      Scotty: "Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now and they want it their way. But the secret is to give them only what they need, not what they want."
      LaForge: "Yeah, well, I told the captain I'd have this analysis done in an hour."
      Scotty: "How long will it really take?"
      LaForge: "An hour."
      Scotty: "You didn't tell him now long it would really take, did you?"
      LaForge: "Of course I did."
      Scotty: "Laddie, you got a lot to learn if you want people to think of you as a miracle worker!"

      And those words are one of the guiding principles in everything I do professionally. I always undersell and overexecute. RIP good man, RIP.

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    35. Re:Beem him on up... by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      Chief O'Brian?

    36. Re:Beem him on up... by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have two, two, two recessive genetic diseases, one of which has the potential to kill me (and always makes my life rather difficult) and the other of which will certainly kill me in time. I have lived much of my life in pain and discomfort.

      Life is suffering.

      Nonetheless, today the sky is a remarkable shade of blue, the sun is warm, but not too hot and the air smells of summer. I have been sitting down by the river where there is a nice breeze blowing and playing violin much of the morning. I like playing violin.

      Life is also the only blessing you will ever receive, and if all it offered me was today I would take it rather than have nothing.

      I see no point in self-inflicted psychological suffering when it is just as easy to play violin. I feel sadness for your father, but because he created his own tragedy needlessly.

      My father made it out of his twenties, but only just. Rheumatic Fever. There was no such thing as a heart transplant at the time.

      Life is suffering; and then you die. If parents never had children to prevent them from suffering and death there wouldn't be any parents in the first place.

      Get thee hence and buy the best pizza in town. Enjoy it.

      Thank your father for making that joy possible.

      KFG

    37. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that explains why youre so bitter?

    38. Re:Beem him on up... by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      What part of "what business is it of yours" did you find hard to understand? No one else gets to run your life; you don't get to run anyone else's.

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    39. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I do not consider "Because God told me to." an acceptable excuse for unethical behaviour and I never will.

      Then why should we consider "Because some self-important, neurotic twat named @madeus told me to," an acceptable reason for doing something?

    40. Re:Beem him on up... by Vinnie_333 · · Score: 2, Funny
      The mind boggles - how much of an asshole do you have to be to have children at that age?

      Sour grapes. Just because you never impregnated a woman ...

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    41. Re:Beem him on up... by kfg · · Score: 1

      that explains why youre so bitter?

      Oh, hey, that's a good one. I'll have to use that sometime.

      KFG

    42. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Maybe it's time to come to terms with your own family history and get that chip off your shoulder, mate.

      Erm, what chip off my shoulder would that be? I'm fairly well adjusted and very up front about the issue as it goes (I'm sure my mother would confirm that), both compliments and criticism where warranted.

      Oddly enough, the topic of the article was just brought up by two other people on IRC channels I'm on and the general level of agreement is that everyone think's that his behaviour was appalling and irresponsible. I'm simply not blinded to it because he was in a TV show I really like and find it bizarre that anyone would be.

      You (and others I'm sure) may consider the timing 'tactless' and I can understand the basis for that assertion, but I wouldn't bring it up if it wasn't specifically related to the fact he has just died (it makes it specifically relevant). If you think that in that context I'm the one that's guilty of inappropriate behaviour, you are in need of a reality check.

      I care a damn sight more about the impact of on a 5 year old child when their father dies, than the feelings of the fans of a departed actor on an internet forum.

      But you do what you think is right.

    43. Re:Beem him on up... by kfg · · Score: 1

      Well, it was a tragic situation, for my mother.

      When I get in the mood for feeling sorry (it happens) it's for her. She still can't listen to Blue Christmas without crying. I've had to take custody of the family copy of Elvis' Christmas Album.

      KFG

    44. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 1

      Then why should we consider "Because some self-important, neurotic twat named @madeus told me to," an acceptable reason for doing something?

      Much as I love being equated with God, you shouldn't use me as an excuse for doing Bad Things(TM) either.

    45. Re:Beem him on up... by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      That's a mighty high horse you have there.

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    46. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 0, Troll

      What part of "what business is it of yours" did you find hard to understand? No one else gets to run your life; you don't get to run anyone else's.

      You seem more concerned that my criticism infringes on the moral rights of Mr Doohan rather than the care and best interests of his child.

      It's "my" business, in the same way it's "my" business if I see someone hitting a child or treating a child in a clearly unacceptable way. I suggest that it ought to be your business too.

    47. Re:Beem him on up... by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      I do not consider "Because God told me to." an acceptable excuse for unethical behaviour and I never will.

      Great for you. Me neither, but that wasn't part of the discussion. Some people consider abortion to be reprehensible, yes? That is their moral belief. They think it's wrong, you might not. I don't personally, but I actually like to know a situation before passing judgement. You clearly don't care, and are willing to take a moral stand against something without any knowledge of it. Again, great for you for taking a stand based on ignorance. Lots of people do that, but few dare to do it in the man's eulogy.

      And yes, virtually everything you just said above is injecting your morals and judgment of a situation you know nothing about except for a single fact: an 80yo had a child. Lots of people do make these judgements, but you're giving your personal armchair morality lesson at an inappropriate time, to an inappropriate audience.

      And that's why you're being called a jerk by several people. Even if you're right about this small detail of the person's long life (which is moot), you're still clearly acting like a jerk about it.

    48. Re:Beem him on up... by Kombat · · Score: 1

      And all things considered I would bet that Sarah Doohan doesn't mind the fact that she exists.

      A completely pointless statement, since if she hadn't existed, she'd never have known it or regretted it.

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    49. Re:Beem him on up... by pallmall1 · · Score: 1

      So, we'd all be better off if you had never been born?

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    50. Re:Beem him on up... by Physics+Dude · · Score: 1
      Apparently logic doesn't come easy to some.

      Either she doesn't mind existing or she does. Those are two possibilities and he's betting on one of them. Certainly not a completely pointless statement unless you're just a wee bit clueless.

    51. Re:Beem him on up... by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      Thanks, if you hadn't posted that someone else with a clue would have to do it :)

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    52. Re:Beem him on up... by dagr8tim · · Score: 1

      More so than any of the Trek characters, methinks. How many of us here were first inspired into tech geekdom by Chief Enginner Scott? What more can be said? It's a given that he has inspired alot of us, it's a given that most of us respected him on and off screen. *puts the bag pipe version of Amazing Grace from ST:2 on repeat on his MP3 player*

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    53. Re:Beem him on up... by Pete+LaGrange · · Score: 1


      ...I haven't spoken to my father in around 3 years and I'm all the more happy for it.


      That's because you're young and inexperienced.

      After you've had kids of your own,
      after you've had a brush or two with mortality,
      after you've realized how short and precious life really is,
      you might begin to see things in a different light.

      Let us hope that it's not too late, then.

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    54. Re:Beem him on up... by netsharc · · Score: 1

      "methinks is actually a valid English word, even though it's Shakesperean English, and even annoying English.. just so you know. :)
      I myself like saying it, it sounds wrong but then you get to turf those who point that out by saying "But Shakespeare used it.". :P

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    55. Re:Beem him on up... by EzInKy · · Score: 1


      Do you really care so little for others, particularly potential offspring, that you would be happy to see them grow up never having know one of their parents?

      With %50 divorce rates and linear polygamy chances are about half the posters here grew up having little to no contact with one of their parents.
      ...I can honestly say that though I would dearly like to have children some day, I would never do so if I thought I wasn't going to be around to support them growing up.

      Nothing in life is certain, you could have a child in the confines of the happiest marraige and still get killed crossing the street before it reached puberty.

      You sound as if you've never overcome your father's and stepfather's misfortunes, perhaps psychological consuling is in order?

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    56. Re:Beem him on up... by rkww · · Score: 1

      I used to dream of being an Enginner and now I are one.

    57. Re:Beem him on up... by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      Maybe you should wait until you actually see someone harming a child before you project your own psychotic hysteria onto a situation you don't know much of anything about.

      Get help for yourself first.

      Seriously. Show this thread to your shrink, and you can be sure he'll want to talk about it.

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    58. Re:Beem him on up... by Nirvelli · · Score: 1

      Kinda like the movie My Life.

    59. Re:Beem him on up... by sdpuppy · · Score: 1
      That is so true. Promise people an hour and if you're late you get trouble. Promise people tomorrow and deliver in an hour and you're a miracle worker.

      This actor's portrayal of Scotty and Scotty's dedication was excellent and an inspiration to many.

    60. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the quote was

      Kirk walks into Scott's quarters. "Scotty, what are you doing?"

      "I'm catchin' up on my technical manuals." Scotty's monitors are full of plain-looking text documents.

      "But, Scotty, don't you want to go down to the planet and relax?"

      "Why, Captain...(beaming, nodding his head, smiling)...I AM relaxin'!" (cue goofy "comic-relief scene" music)

    61. Re:Beem him on up... by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      You continue to amaze me. Your outlook on life is definitely that of someone Great. I would love to get inside your brain sometime.

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    62. Re:Beem him on up... by (1+-sqrt(5))*(2**-1) · · Score: 1
      [M]ethinks is actually a valid English word [...].
      'Methinks' is not only valid English, but comes from an ancient Germanic phrase: mir {dünkt, deuchte} es.

      Thus the 's' in 'thinks': the third person is "thinking", and I am in the dative.

    63. Re:Beem him on up... by kfg · · Score: 1

      But that also means that you're looking at this from a skewed perspective.

      Of course. But that was the perspective given me, that of Sarah Doohan, who, like myself, exists, without a living father.

      And wouldn't birth control be kind of wrong, because "think of all those unborn children"

      No. I said nothing that logically impacts the choice to not have children. I defended choice.

      KFG

      KFG

    64. Re:Beem him on up... by grammar+nazi · · Score: 1

      Dude... you rock! Thanks for your post.

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    65. Re:Beem him on up... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Wait, If Scotty is gone who is going to beam me up?

      "Bangalore, Beam me up!"

    66. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If so, then I regret to inform you that this would make you an asshole as well.

      Actually Ian, it is you that is the asshole.

      Get a fucking life retard.

    67. Re:Beem him on up... by Tomfrh · · Score: 1

      My Dad died of addiction when I was 4 years old. It has sucked a fair bit over the years. I know where you're coming from.

      But I disagree with your judgment of Doohan. We don't know what happened. He obviously didn't sit down with his wife and say: "you know what Hon, now that im old and soon to croak, lets get you knocked up so the kid wont have a Dad"

    68. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 1

      Actually Ian, it is you that is the asshole.

      My name is not 'Ian'. Apparently you are knew to using Google though.

    69. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 1

      knew

      * The K is free.

    70. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should wait until you actually see someone harming a child before you project your own psychotic hysteria onto a situation you don't know much of anything about.

      'much of anything'? I think you'll find the facts are a matter of public record. .oO(Yanks)

    71. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 1

      Nothing in life is certain, you could have a child in the confines of the happiest marraige and still get killed crossing the street before it reached puberty.

      I can tell you one thing that is certain, if you are 80 years old when you have a child, you are not going to be there to support that child as they grow up, as we have sadly just seen.

      You can excuse that with irrelevant dialogue stating 'Well you might get hit by a bus tomorrow, so it doesn't matter!'.

      You sound as if you've never overcome your father's and stepfather's misfortunes, perhaps psychological consuling is in order?

      If you think I counselling because I think parents should be there for their children, then your beyond wacky. From looking at a large number of posts here, it's a very sad reflection of the lack of value placed on the rights of children by a lot of /. readers.

      Though where I'm from (Scotland), we have a quite different take on child welfare (you can't hit children to reprimand them, for a start - something quite permissible in the US).

      Certainly people here in the office think it's shocking, quite different to the reaction I've witnessed from the majority of Americans here who think it's a man's moral right to do what he likes, and the consequence's for others be damned (and also that it's utterly outrageous that anyone should even question this).

    72. Re:Beem him on up... by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      Reading what some have said about how thier happy even though many would think they have cause for sorrow reminds me of two discoveries and decision I made a while back.
      The discovery is that life has many moments that can eigther be cried over or laughed at. The second discovery is that laughter is usually much better than crying (though exceptions exist, goodbye Mr. Doohan, you'll not be forgotten soon). The descision was to choose the laughter whenever I could.
      Part of the key might be that through experiencing reall sorrow some manage to realize just how trivial many of lifes pains are. Or perhaps just a stubborn refusal to let life drag one down. Or perhaps some are simply lucky enough not to feel the effects of real pain, though I honestly don't know if that's luck.

      Mycroft

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    73. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's a matter of public record doesn't give any reason to fear for this child's welfare. That's all coming from inside you. Please get help.

    74. Re:Beem him on up... by Jonsey · · Score: 1

      Thank you.

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    75. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cried.

      Then, of course I remembered that Mum has one of my favorite dinners cooking on the stove, I've got my first night of work (been looking for work since the start of summer) tonight, and best of all; It's in the best pizza place in town.

      You've inspired me.

    76. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 0

      What's a matter of public record doesn't give any reason to fear for this child's welfare.

      If 5 year old child having a 48 year old mother and an 85 year old father is okay with you, then I guess not. I guess we have different visions of what's in the best interest of a child's welfare.

      Namely, I don't think a single mother in her 60's is best placed to deal with a teenager, you do.

    77. Re:Beem him on up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iain

      * The little i is free.

    78. Re:Beem him on up... by @madeus · · Score: 1

      FYI grownups use words like 'lowercase' and uppercase to decribe the case of words (not 'little' and 'big', unless your about 6 or under). If you want to prove your are in fact a big boy, let's see if you can also use whois as well.

      HINT: It shouldn't be hard, given I've been on the net for over 10 years (certainly pre WWW) and loads of my personal details, including my home address, is intentionally listed in umpteen online directories (and several software packages as contact information).

      PS, just for the record:

      A man who has a seventh child age 80 is still an asshole for doing so, just so we are absolutely crystal clear. In fact, I think I'll set up a web page pointing that out, for those that don't get it. Of course the fact that he split with his wife and four previous kids to shack up with a 18 year old when he was 55 in the first place is pretty suspect too (particularly given he already had children that age and older at the time). I can't imagine his first four children we impressed by daddy running off to bed with someone who was their age. Yeah, he was a real American hero alright.

    79. Re:Beem him on up... by IndependentVik · · Score: 1

      I friended you early in this /. account of mine. I find your posts insightful, and the fact that we happen to share certain political beliefs was a bonus. But this, this is a beautiful sentiment, reminiscent of certain Buddhist texts I've read, but with so much more humanity. Thank you.

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    80. Re:Beem him on up... by Announcer · · Score: 1

      I certainly was. I was a geek pretty much from the womb! ;) When I started watching Trek in the late 60's, early 70's, Scotty very quickly became my very favorite character. When my brother and I got together with a fellow Trekker friend to play Star Trek, my Bro was Kirk, our friend was Spock, and I was always Scotty. :)

      I've been involved in Electronics since about 2'nd grade, and still continue in the field to this day.

      Thanks for the memories, Mr Doohan.

      BTW, fellow Trekkers- check out this site: http://www.newvoyages.com/

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    81. Re:Beem him on up... by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      That was, I think, the only post I've ever read on Slashdot that made me cry.

        I've known for some years that I'm not likely to see 50 yo - partially because of lots of bad decisions, but genetic fate is playing it's part as well as I approach 40.

        Just go on makin' music, my friend. You certainly make wonderful music here.

      Keep flyin'
      SB

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  6. Off To The Final Frontier by The+Dobber · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Nuff said

  7. Can't by ericdano · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "She can't take anymore of this!"

    Rest In Peace Scotty. You will always be remembered.

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    1. Re:Can't by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      The first version of that line was "I canna change the laws of physics!" Cool when I first heard it. Sad how quickly it became a cliche.

      Something has to be said about the famous accent. I don't know that many Scots, but I'm told that nobody from Scotland actually talks that way. It's a sort of Hollywood convention.

      Speaking of Scots, has anybody else noticed that Kirk and McCoy are both Scottish names? So two of the three main characters were Scottish, plus the most prominent supporting character. Makes you wonder...

    2. Re:Can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This one is for you Mr. Doohan.

      Rest In Peace, Scotty.

    3. Re:Can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, those Scots were known for their........sailing skills?

    4. Re:Can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goes beyond sailing skills. Scots(in the US and America) played an essential role in the industrial revolution, emergence of modern technology and settlement of North America.

      Ignoring the role of Scotts in modern technology is like ignoring the role of blacks in the NBA.

    5. Re:Can't by NiceGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know this is going to sound nit-picky, but since Kirk was from Iowa and Bones from Georgia, I'd say there was 1 character that was Scottish and 2 that were of Scottish decent.

    6. Re:Can't by markh1967 · · Score: 1
      Something has to be said about the famous accent. I don't know that many Scots, but I'm told that nobody from Scotland actually talks that way. It's a sort of Hollywood convention.

      Don't forget that he played a 24th century Scotsman. I would guess that no-one in Scotland now speaks like a 16th century Scot would have done; accents change and it's not unreasonable to assume that the Scotish accent will change in the cosmopolitan future depicted in ST.

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    7. Re:Can't by fm6 · · Score: 1

      So Scottish English will continue to evolve, but North American English will never change? Try again.

    8. Re:Can't by ChuyMatt · · Score: 1
      Oh! But it did change! It got a HELL of a lot more melodramatic and almost lurching at times.

      Spock. . . HE. . . CAN'T . . .

      and HE'S DEAD, JIM!

      so, yes, standard north american english did change, just not in a way we would ever want it to.

    9. Re:Can't by Mondoz · · Score: 1

      Very nice. I wish I could find a copy from STII. I love the combination of the bagpipes and orchestra as you see the exterior shot of the ship.

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    10. Re:Can't by HardCase · · Score: 1

      I dunno - the annoying Scottish asshole who sits a few cubes over from me talks a lot like that. And, apparently, he has no volume control, either, because he's louder than all get out whenever his lips are flapping. Man, I hope that he's not representative of his fellow countrymen - if he is, then everybody must be deaf over there!

      -h-

    11. Re:Can't by dghomefry · · Score: 1

      I stood behind him in line to buy chinese food at a Safeway in Redmond, WA when I lived there. I was quite disappointed by the fact that he ordered the general tso's with the same american accent that I have.

    12. Re:Can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are Kirks and McCoys in Ireland, too. Of course, that's because Scots and Irish were once one race of Gaels. Until they open their mouths or unless they're wearing Scottish kilts (Irish kilts exist but went out of fashion a very long time ago) or something it's virtually impossible to tell a native Scot from a native Irish person.

      So you just couldn't assume either were of scottish ancestry particularly.

    13. Re:Can't by brother_b · · Score: 1

      I always thought Kirk's name was a reference to Captain James T. Cook. (Which was probably also the source for Peter and Wendy's pirate Captain James T. Hook.)

    14. Re:Can't by fm6 · · Score: 1
      Ignorant Yankee. That was a Canadian accent!

      My favorite accent story: Julia Roberts grew up speaking with a Georgia drawl, which she went to a lot of trouble to lose when she went Hollywood. Then when she was cast in Steel Magnolias she went to a Hollywood "accent coach" to get it back again. The consensus is that the accent he taught her is a standard Hollywood "southerner" that bears no resemblance to a real-life Georgia accent.

      Second favorite: Anthony LaPaglia's native accent is Austrialian, but he's careful to use his self-taught Bronx accent in public, even when he's not working. He claims that casting directors used to turn him down because they claimed he always spoke with a trace of Aussie in his voice. So he stopped using his native voice at all in auditions, and let them think he really was from the Bronx.

      Hollywood is so much about what people expect.

    15. Re:Can't by fm6 · · Score: 1
      I suppose it's possible "Kirk" is supposed to sound vaguely like "Cook". But I've never heard this mentioned by any insider. Most likely they just picked a simple, macho name out of a hat.

      "Hook" from "Cook" is just plain silly. Aside from that half-syllable and the fact that they're both sailors, the two characters have nothing in common. And the stereotype of the pirate with a hook for a hand is pretty standard.

    16. Re:Can't by darkonc · · Score: 1
      More likely
      Lets' call him James T. Cook!
      We can't use cook. That'd be too obvious.
      How about just Kirk.
      OK. Sounds good.
      Never a word more need be said.
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    17. Re:Can't by eclectus · · Score: 1

      and has anyone noticed that no major character in any of the ST series were Latino?

      (And you can't count Richardo 'KHAAAAAAANNNN!' Montalban, because he was a) from the 20th century, and b) Mongolian)

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    18. Re:Can't by fm6 · · Score: 1
      (And you can't count Richardo 'KHAAAAAAANNNN!' Montalban, because he was a) from the 20th century, and b) Mongolian)
      Well, of course you can't count Latino actors playing non-Latinos. If you could, people would wonder which side won the 1848 war! Half my favorite TV actors are Latino, but those unwilling to do the more degrading stereotypes have to play Anglos to make a living. It's all part of Hollywood insisting that people only watch shows they can "identify with".

      But as long as we're not being racist, let's not jump to conclusions about where Kahn came from. Just as all Gomezes are not Mexican, all Kahns are not from Mongolia. I dimly recall a reference to India or Pakistan, which would kind of fit.

    19. Re:Can't by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      This is interesting, but I have a friend of Vietnamese descent who insists Kahn is a common Vietnamese surname.

      Khan, though, is quite a popular Persian/Mongol/Turk surname. ;-)

    20. Re:Can't by fm6 · · Score: 1
      And then there's Kahn Souphanousinphone (Laotian) on King of the Hill. Which all goes with what I was saying: the Star Trek Kahn wasn't necessarily Mongolian. Of course, the only Kahn most (non-Trekkie) westerners have heard of is Ghengis.

      I just noticed that the Star Trek Kahn's full name is Khan Noonien Singh. That's definitely a South Asian name. "Singh" is Punjabi for "Lion" and is a conventional surname for Sikhs. Kahn is presumably not a Sikh (hard to imagine him adhering to a religion of any sort), but there are a lot of Singhs in the Indian military, due to the Sikh tradition of military service. So "Kahn" and "Singh" both have connotations of war and conflict. Which probably has more to do with the character getting that name than any ethnic thing.

    21. Re:Can't by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      Which probably has more to do with the character getting that name than any ethnic thing.
      More like, ethnic confusion; to a South Asian, such a name would be akin to, for instance, a Bollywood movie featuring a villain named as Lopez Goobledygook McGormick. While each of the names taken seperately might denote something, taken together, they absolutely don't; you'd have to be fairly confused (and culturally ignorant) to take surnames from two different ethnicities, join them together, and pass one off as a first name.

      Then again, this is a wholly different argument. The point I was making earlier was on spelling; quite a few thousand miles seperate 'Khan' and 'Kahn'. :-)

    22. Re:Can't by fm6 · · Score: 1
      Isn't Kahn a Jewish name? ;)

      Not the first time Star Trek showed its cultural ignorance. My favorite was when they decided that Star Fleet had to have a ship with a Russian name. So you heard references to the "Potemkin". Jeez! The last ship with that name is famous mainly for a mutiny that occurred on it. And it was named after a Tsarist aristrocrat who is mainly remembered for his invention of the "Potemkin Village" -- in other words, he's a byword for dishonesty and mistreatment of his peasants.

      Obviously whoever came up "Starship Potemkin" (St. Gene himself?) didn't know any of the above. Probably just heard that there had been a movie called "Battleship Potemkin" but obviously had never seen it.

    23. Re:Can't by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      Isn't Kahn a Jewish name? ;)
      Ah. Now I stand exposed. :-| It doesn't happen often, but it's happened before and will happen again.

      Bronenosets Potyomkin... sounds fascinating, thanks for the link! Should look it up.

  8. Somebody finally beamed Scotty up... by pointbeing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Travel well, James.

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  9. God finally beamed him up... by DJRikki · · Score: 2

    Fond memories from TOS right through the series of film. He will be sadly missed. R.

  10. Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Correct me if im wrong, but an article I read said that he was suffering from Pneumonia and Alzheimers, not Parkinsons ...?

    1. Re:Correction by spot35 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you're right. This BBC article seems to corroborate your claim.

      RIP Scotty.

    2. Re:Correction by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      The BBC is also running this article which gives the lowdown on Doohans life and career. Their version of his obituary.

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    3. Re:Correction by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Informative
      He was suffering both Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, but the cause of death was a combination of Pneumonia and Alzheimer's. Pneumonia is a very common complication for elderly people who are hospitalized or confined to a bed or wheelchair, in particular Alzheimer's patients. By the way, he was also suffering from diabetes and lung fibrosis. I'm sure the lung fibrosis didn't help his pneumonia....

      For more information, see this article.

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    4. Re:Correction by object88 · · Score: 1

      ...but the cause of death was a combination of Pneumonia and Alzheimer's.

      My grandfather passed away of the same causes (he worked around a good deal of asbestos). Suffice it to say, may James Doohan be remembered for his long and interesting life.

  11. Cue the jokes... by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Beam me up, Scotty!"

    "He's dead, Jim."

    Ok, now that that's out of the way, I'm sure the rest of the slashdot article comments will be thoughtful, insightful commentary on Doohan's passing.

    Such as:

    He lost a finger during the D-Day invasion as a captain in the Royal Canadian Artillery.

    He was also a linguist, and devised the Vulcan and Klingon lanuages for the original Star Trek motion picture.

    He had his youngest daughter in 2000, when he was 80 (!), with his wife Wende, whom he'd been married to since 1975. Way to go, James.

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    1. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      "He had his youngest daughter in 2000, when he was 80 (!), with his wife Wende, whom he'd been married to since 1975. Way to go, James."

      Yeah, seriously. Way to guarantee you won't see your daughter grow up.

    2. Re:Cue the jokes... by ShelbyCobra · · Score: 5, Funny

      He was also a linguist...

      I see, but was he a cunning one?

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    3. Re:Cue the jokes... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      He had his youngest daughter in 2000, when he was 80 (!), with his wife Wende, whom he'd been married to since 1975. Way to go, James.

      So I guess his Doohan was still working?

      groan

    4. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      He had his youngest daughter in 2000, when he was 80 (!), with his wife Wende, whom he'd been married to since 1975. Way to go, James.

      Way to go? WTF? The kid will grow up without a father. Don't people think of the kids when they decide to have kids?

    5. Re:Cue the jokes... by dhakbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And how do you know that the child won't receive appropriate care?

    6. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure he left her enough $cash to hire appropriate care.

    7. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell you what, in 15 years, ask the kid whether she'd rather have never been born.

    8. Re:Cue the jokes... by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 1

      His (second) wife was 43 when his youngest daughter was born in 2000. That means that she was born in 1957, and got married in 1975.

      At age 18.

      Doohan was 55 at the time.

    9. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1

      He doesn't know it won't, but you don't know it will either. You should only have a child if you personally will ensure as best as possible that it can receive appropriate care.

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    10. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't devise the languages; however, he did create the ground work for the guy who did (Mark Okrand) by trying to be consistent in what was said when.

    11. Re:Cue the jokes... by garcia · · Score: 1

      And how do you know that the child won't receive appropriate care?

      What is the percetage of men over the age of 80 that can care for themselves? What is the percentage of those men that can care for a newborn daily? What is the percentage of those men that will be able to effectively care for that newborn until it is old enough to care for itself?

      Let me tell you, it's a lot lower than the percentage of appropriately aged individuals that can't.

    12. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure his family won't be left begging at Trekkie conventions for food.

    13. Re:Cue the jokes... by wombert · · Score: 1

      Remember, folks...

      "Every child deserves a mother and a father!"

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    14. Re:Cue the jokes... by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      Why ask perfect strangers this?

      Ask his wife.

    15. Re:Cue the jokes... by typedef · · Score: 1

      At age 18.

      Doohan was 55 at the time.


      yeah

      doohan was totally awsome

    16. Re:Cue the jokes... by Timbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So what? It was clearly a loving, successful marriage, what does the age difference matter for?

      You or I may not be comfortable having a relationship with such an age difference, but they clearly were and it obviously worked for them -- what's the problem?

    17. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ' See, the difference is that when liberals think they know what's best for someone, they don't force them to do it by law, even if they tell you it's bad for you '


      They do it by law more than the conservatives do.

    18. Re:Cue the jokes... by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      That's awesome! Go Doohan!

    19. Re:Cue the jokes... by jcr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      See, the difference is that when liberals think they know what's best for someone, they don't force them to do it by law, even if they tell you it's bad for you.

      What are you, nuts? Ever heard of Social Security?

      -jcr

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    20. Re:Cue the jokes... by tremor_tj · · Score: 1

      Explain welfare and medicaid, and that guy FICA who steals part of every one of my paychecks then.

    21. Re:Cue the jokes... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "It's irresponsible to bring a child into this world when you are so old that you know you will not be able to give appropriate care."

      I've seen a couple of posts like this. Unless he really fscked up, I'm sure the kid has PLENTY of money left to for her. And, what two consenting people decide to do in that area, well, as long as the kid is looked after and taken care of...well, isn't that their business?

      Hell, I'm just impressed he was still gettin' it on at age 80!!

      Regardless...James, have a glass of Romulan Ale on me dude....

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    22. Re:Cue the jokes... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      What the hell do percentages have to do with anything? Most people are under 80, I'm not. Most people my age have kids. I don't. It's all irrelevant. Once you know the details about a particular person it's completely irrelevant what the statistics say. We know that James Doohan was well loved and made enough money to support his kids to a level that they are likely to be far less wanting than most people's kids. To think that somehow knowing some statistics about other people means that it invalidates these facts means that you almost certainly have some very basic misunderstandings about the nature of truth.

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    23. Re:Cue the jokes... by maxpublic · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      See, the difference is that when liberals think they know what's best for someone, they don't force them to do it by law

      That would explain things like environmental laws, the Endangered Species Act, and seatbelt laws.

      Liberals LOVE forcing their views on others at the point of a gun. All for the 'greater good', of course.

      Max

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    24. Re:Cue the jokes... by karmatic · · Score: 1

      His wife is 48, and although he may not see his daughter grop up, his wife can undoubtedly remarry, should she so wish. She also undoubtedly has enough money to support the child as well.

    25. Re:Cue the jokes... by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      I didn't take it as meant to point out a problem,

      more like... wow

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    26. Re:Cue the jokes... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not sure if he was a linguist - he was good at accents, though. But Marc Okrand created the languages, not Doohan.

      Also, the CNN Obit says he was married in 1974, not 1975.

    27. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, the difference is that when liberals think they know what's best for someone, they don't force them to do it by law, even if they tell you it's bad for you.

      The other difference is: liberals are incapable of
      telling the truth, even when it would benefit them.
      You are a prime example.

    28. Re:Cue the jokes... by stanmann · · Score: 1

      What is the percentage of Star Trek mega-stars that can't provide a reasonable living for themselves and their spawn?

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    29. Re:Cue the jokes... by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      k, how many are dead now?

      DeForest Kelley and now Doohan -- all the other main characters still alive at this point?

      Shatner, Nimoy, Nichols, Takei, Koenig, Barrett, etc?

      wonder who will go next?

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    30. Re:Cue the jokes... by jafiwam · · Score: 1



      I certainly hope when _I_ get to be that age I am still "fully functional" and have opportunities to be so.

      80 is only rough if it's been 25 years of sexless misery....

    31. Re:Cue the jokes... by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      "You should only have a child if you personally will ensure as best as possible that it can receive appropriate care."

      He probably knew a lot more about life than you do. Dan Quayle got blasted for his remarks on this subject, and you're comment is more severe than his were.

      Proper care of a child involves teaching him to be open-minded and accepting of people who are different.

    32. Re:Cue the jokes... by ShawnDoc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doohan did create Klingon. Sorta. He created the first ever words of Klingon, for the ST:MP I believe. Marc Okrand then used that as the basis for creating the more complete Klingon language used in ST:NG.

    33. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you, nuts? Ever heard of Social Security?

      You mean like forcing everyone to invest in "private accounts" so that rather than waiting for the collapse of the US to lose their retirement safety net, they only have to wait until the next stock market crash? And even if it doesn't crash, just wait until your the fruit of your skilled savings disappears thanks to (proposed) clawbacks.

      Republicans: 1, Democrats: 1. Care to cite any more shining examples of how the Republicans are just as full of scum as the Democrats?

    34. Re:Cue the jokes... by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      See, the difference is that when liberals think they know what's best for someone, they don't force them to do it by law

      It would be more accurate, I think, to say that liberals do not want to backup *moral* judgements by law... they are more than happy to use the law to backup just about anything else (something I am very greatful for).

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    35. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1
      He probably knew a lot more about life than you do.

      Probably, but that doesn't do any good now does it?

      Proper care of a child involves teaching him to be open-minded and accepting of people who are different.

      Yes, and someone needs to do it. Accepting differences doesn't extend as far as accepting people who don't bring up their children properly (not that I'm saying his child won't be brought up properly).

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    36. Re:Cue the jokes... by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2, Informative

      Making up some words is one thing, but Okrand literally created a language around them, with structure, hundreds more words, grammar, and everything that goes into language. Okrand's part in all this was by no means minor.

    37. Re:Cue the jokes... by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of Social Security?

      Of course - Social Security was perhaps the most important and successful part of the New Deal.

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    38. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I'd never been born, I wouldn't care.

      Since I was born, I'm able to care. And I find that I'm glad I exist.

      Ie., it seems unlikely to me that Scotty's daughter will be upset with him for allowing her to be born. And if it turns out that she's happy with the situation, then who are you to complain?

    39. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accidents do happen. Who's the one person left who really knows? His wife, of course. I doubt she's going to be reading this on /., given that her frapping hustbad just died. But if she did, what would her defense be? Claim the child was an unwanted accident? What a lovely postion you'd put her in, Oh Great Holier-than-Thou.

      More likely she'd say it's none of your damn business. And she'd be right.

    40. Re:Cue the jokes... by webmosher · · Score: 1

      That seems quite a self-righteous statement. Did you even think a bit about what you were about to say?

      Two things come to mind: The mental degeneration that Alzheimer's causes is terrible and irreversable. Having seen my grandmother go through that ordeal, I would have to think that 5 years prior to his death that he was still well along in the effects of the disease.

      Coupled with the physical degeneration that Parkinson's causes, leads to one simple idea. Perhaps its not James Doohan you should blame for leaving a fatherless child, it is probably his wife who bore the child that is to "blame". Its a bit of a miracle of modern science that this child exists at all. Like it or not, this pretty much HAD to be planned.

      I would also hardly think that a celebrity like Mr. Doohan was living in abject poverty. I am sure his child and his widow will live comfortably, and she is still young enough to find a suitable father figure to introduce to her still impressionable 5 year old.

    41. Re:Cue the jokes... by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That would explain things like environmental laws, the Endangered Species Act, and seatbelt laws.

      Liberals LOVE forcing their views on others at the point of a gun. All for the 'greater good', of course.


      That would be knowing what's best for a third party whom you are presumably injuring by your actions. Those laws are a limitation of liberty, but ideally a weighed one that considers the interests of other people as well as the person proximally affected.

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    42. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually if you cared it listen, you can OPT OUT OF PRIVATE ACCOUNTS dumb ass. No one is forced to invest in them.

    43. Re:Cue the jokes... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      I'm sure he was able to apply a some linguistic ledgerdemain and a bit of interpidity.

    44. Re:Cue the jokes... by swb · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're not married, are you?

    45. Re:Cue the jokes... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      He's dead. He won't miss her - he won't feel anything. She might miss him, but she's got her mom, and (knowing what we do of the rest of his solid character), probably has the material assets to live comfortably. No one's parents live forever, few longer than their children. It's up to her, once she's an adult, to make her own decision whether she'd prefer her life with only childhood memories of her father, or never to have been born. I know I'd prefer the brief memories. And I know that you, even if you're angry about having her same situation, have no right to speak for her.

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    46. Re:Cue the jokes... by Bamafan77 · · Score: 5, Funny
      His (second) wife was 43 when his youngest daughter was born in 2000. That means that she was born in 1957, and got married in 1975.

      At age 18.

      Doohan was 55 at the time.

      Until now, I was a big fan of the character Scotty. Now I'm a fan of Doohan, the man! Everybody thought Shatner was the player, but who knew that Scotty was the true pimp of TOS. :)

    47. Re:Cue the jokes... by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      Explain HowTF even a eulogy for James Doohan can turn into a Conservative vs. Liberal ranting thread. WTF is wrong with you people???

    48. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually liberals don't pass law, they use the supreme court to create it. Just letting ya know

    49. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can? Wow! And I suppose my company would then suddenly give me a raise equivalent to the Social Security portion of my payroll taxes? Dream on, sucker. Enjoy those hallucinations induced by the Libertarians.

    50. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      What's up with all the Canadians linked to that show?

    51. Re:Cue the jokes... by jcr · · Score: 1

      Social Security was perhaps the most important and successful part of the New Deal.

      LOL! Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

      -jcr

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    52. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you, nuts? Ever heard of Social Security?

      Nobody is forced to accept Social Security.

      Oh, you're referring to the fact that it's paid for out of taxes? Big deal. Unless you're already one of the super-rich, you wouldn't notice any benefits from tax cuts anyway - either you'll have your salary cut (don't deceive yourself, you get paid the minimum your employers think they'll get away with paying you, and if taxes fell then so would your living costs), or prices will rise to fill your additional disposable income.

      And I'm not sure how you manage to believe that taxation is comparable with questions of personal liberty, such as the right to use marijuana, or to have an abortion, or to criticise the President in his hearing - little things that conservatives seem to be doing their utmost to make or keep illegal.

    53. Re:Cue the jokes... by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 1

      Will do! And if you would like to learn more about it, here is some info about the New Deal. Cheers

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    54. Re:Cue the jokes... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      Seatbelt laws were passed thanks to special interest group lobbying (insurance companies), so I would say that more related to the trend of corporate government than "liberalism". Regarding environmental laws and endangered species, are you serious? A few decades ago, our rivers and skies were heavily polluted and there was scarcely any wildlife. But since things are better now, I guess those environmental controls didn't matter after all?

    55. Re:Cue the jokes... by tremor_tj · · Score: 1

      That's easy. When someone says something BLATENTLY incorrect, it's human nature to correct the statement so it's not accepted as fact.

      Regardless of wether or not you agree with liberals or conservatives, saying that liberals don't force their views on others via law is incorrect.

      And I'll miss James Doohan as much as the next guy.

    56. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He'd been married for 35 years.
      I think it's safe to say yes.

    57. Re:Cue the jokes... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "not that I'm saying his child won't be brought up properly"

      Yes you are. Just because you phrase your POV as a question doesn't mean you're not "push polling" your implied answer.

      You might not be able to imagine someone with a single parent being "brought up right". But there are many millions of Americans, and hundreds of millions of humans, who are just fine with one parent. The metaphysical question of whether they're better off not being born is anyone's guess. And has to compete with the wonder of an actual life, with a loving parent, as the legacy of a departed one.

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    58. Re:Cue the jokes... by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Probably, but that doesn't do any good now does it?"

      Yes it does. The child will be cared for by people who knew him well.

      "Yes, and someone needs to do it."

      Why don't you send a note to his widow and explain it to her?

      "Accepting differences doesn't extend as far as accepting people who don't bring up their children properly"

      It's not for you to decide which methods are proper. Not only are you being arrogant, you're being plain rude by criticizing the recently departed.

    59. Re:Cue the jokes... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      The percentage of Doohan's children who have an active mother to take care of them, assumedly with considerable wealth and social network to provide their needs, is 100%.

      What's the percentage of men of any age who take daily care of their newborn babies? In the critical path, not just keeping the mother company?

      If Doohan had perhaps fathered a child with an absent mother (a rare scenario, even for a young man), knowing he'd surely leave her an orphan at a young age, that would be different. But she'll probably know her mother for at least another 10-20 years (though there are no guarantees). What's wrong with leaving the mother with a child to keep his spirit alive, and likewise for the child? Isn't that what every parent does?

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    60. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's irresponsible to bring a child into this world when you are so old that you know you will not be able to give appropriate care

      Wow, you really are an idiot.

      So how about teens having kids? Most of those kids don't get appropriate care either (neither did their 14 year old parents).

      What about the puppy mills known throughout the US as "trailer parks", see much appropriate care there? And no, punching Mom in the face, then beating your kids is not considered appropriate, maybe deserved, but not appropriate.

      What about parents with ZERO education, is it appropriate to raise a generation of idiots (your parents excluded, of course)?

      What about ghettos, is it appropriate to raise children in a violent, underemployed, under educated area?

      What about poor people, is it fair to saddle a new generation with the failings of its parent generation?

      Face it, no matter how old James was when he had his last child, that child will be better taken care of than most children you know.

      Three cheers for you though. When are you going to start your campaign to have all "lessers" sterilized? May I suggest that you receive the first snip, you know, for the sake of the collective IQ.

    61. Re:Cue the jokes... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Most people are under 80, I'm not.

      Really?

    62. Re:Cue the jokes... by Kombat · · Score: 1

      See, the difference is that when liberals think they know what's best for someone, they don't force them to do it by law, even if they tell you it's bad for you.

      I've got two words for you: Sarah Brady.

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    63. Re:Cue the jokes... by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      WFT? Did I write that? I think I must be suffering from Alzheimer's before my time.

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    64. Re:Cue the jokes... by outsider007 · · Score: 1

      Only one misspelling in your post and it happens to be in ALL CAPS. D'oh!

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    65. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and having a kid at 80 is a GOOD way to get dementia if you don't already have it

    66. Re:Cue the jokes... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Either that, or he had really friendly neighbors...

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    67. Re:Cue the jokes... by Mike+McCune · · Score: 1

      Apparently he was doing something right. He fathered a kid at 80.

      "In 1974 he married Wende Braunberger, and their children were Eric, Thomas and Sarah, who was born in 2000, when Doohan was 80."

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    68. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I assume this is the same "Liberal" court that elected Bush 5-4.

    69. Re:Cue the jokes... by identity0 · · Score: 1

      Given his age, I thought he might have some older kids and even grandkids... and what do you know, he does.

      Quote:
      Wife: Janet Young (m. 1949, div. 1964, four children)
      Son: Larkin Doohan (nurse, b. 1954)
      Daughter: Deirdre Doohan (carpenter, b. 1957)
      Son: Montgomery Doohan (twin, b. 1959)
      Son: Christopher Doohan (twin, b. 1959, rock'n'roller with band The Mudflaps)
      Wife: Anita Yagel (m. 1967, div. 1972)
      Wife: Wende Doohan (m. 1975, three children)
      Son: Eric Doohan (author, The Pocket Players' Guide for Magic: The Gathering)
      Son: Thomas Doohan
      Daughter: Sarah Doohan (b. 11-Apr-2000)


      So no, I don't think she'll be growing up alone with no one to care for her. But hey, let's just make self-righteous remarks about other families we don't even know, eh? Hell, I was raised partly by my grandparents, who cares if she's raised by her brothers and mom(who is still young)?

    70. Re:Cue the jokes... by tremor_tj · · Score: 1

      LOL...well, that's what you get while posting during a conference call :)

    71. Re:Cue the jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that guns hurt third parties. That's precisely the difference... Pollution laws restrict a company, for example, because if it were to pollute a river, many others would be affected. Similarly, guns tend to affect more people than just gun owners themselves.

      See the difference? The spirit behind such reforms are not to save the actual owner from him/herself.

    72. Re:Cue the jokes... by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      Joke

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      So, visit the link, and enlighten yourself.

    73. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1
      You might not be able to imagine someone with a single parent being "brought up right". But there are many millions of Americans, and hundreds of millions of humans, who are just fine with one parent.

      Of course there are. Some of my best friends grew up in single parent households. But just because people can be just fine after it doesn't mean it's ok, to take an extreme example there are thousands of people who suffered childhood sexual abuse and most of them grew up fine. And on the whole, even when you factor in the lower socio-economic status, children of single parent households are worse off, intellectually, socially, economically in later life. Not in every individual case, obviously, people do well or badly with any kind of upbringing, but on the whole it's a worse upbringing, and it's irresponsible to knowingly inflict it on a child. Of course if you have a child and something happens, you have to do the best you can, but for him it must have been pretty obvious this was going to happen soon. Of course life is wonderful, but there's nothing to not be born if you're not born. Every child deserves the best chance it can be given.

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    74. Re:Cue the jokes... by allism · · Score: 1

      Perhaps after you have been in a successful, happy marriage for a long time (they'd been married longer than many slashdotters have been alive) you will understand that it is possible to fully trust your spouse to give appropriate care to your children, whether or not you are around.

    75. Re:Cue the jokes... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      And this child has the best chance it can be given, considering its father will die (has died) when it's very young. Do you feel the same way about children whose mothers (and more rarely, fathers) choose to have them, planning on raising the child alone, though usually without the death of their spouse in the plan?

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    76. Re:Cue the jokes... by LordKazan · · Score: 1

      polluting and making species extinct are not your right.. as for the other someone else pointed out that the insurance industry pushed through seatbelt laws

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    77. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1
      Yes it does. The child will be cared for by people who knew him well.

      But presumably not with the same experience that was such an advantage. I know a few old people fairly well. What was the point you were trying to make when you said "He probably knew a lot more about life than you do"?

      Why don't you send a note to his widow and explain it to her?

      I'm sure she'll do a good job, but it can't possibly be as good a job as the two of them would have done together.

      It's not for you to decide which methods are proper.

      So I can't criticise anyone's ways of bringing up their children? Obviously it's far, far from clear-cut in this case, but there are some practices that are clearly wrong. I suppose you could argue that only the children who have been through it can criticise the way they were brought up, but that way we can never have any kind of comparison, and can't stop people until the child is old enough to complain themselves, not a situation I would want to be in.

      Not only are you being arrogant,

      I'm giving my views. This is a discussion website, that's what people do here. I've seen people stridently declare there is no god with no such criticism. Or am I not allowed to have opinions about other peoples' parenting?

      you're being plain rude by criticizing the recently departed

      It's where the topic came up, and I didn't introduce it. If someone did something wrong, they did something wrong, regardless of whether they just died.

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    78. Re:Cue the jokes... by unitron · · Score: 1

      What parts of the New Deal do you consider more important and more successful than Social Security?

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    79. Re:Cue the jokes... by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      He lost a finger during the D-Day invasion as a captain in the Royal Canadian Artillery.

      Was that ever mentioned at all in the Star Trek series? (not the D-Day invasion... but the absense of one of Scotty's finger?). If not, then they must've made an effort to keep that [open at least] hand out of camera shot!

    80. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1
      And this child has the best chance it can be given, considering its father will die (has died) when it's very young.

      But that was obvious from before it was conceived, so it was something to take into consideration at that stage.

      Do you feel the same way about children whose mothers (and more rarely, fathers) choose to have them, planning on raising the child alone, though usually without the death of their spouse in the plan?

      Yes. Obviously, once your child is alive (and I'm not going to argue over at what stage that occurs, that's another debate entirely) you do the best you can for it. But I'd say to have a child you know beforehand will have a single-parent upbringing is irresponsible, just like to have a child you know beforehand you can't afford to feed (ignoring for a moment any child welfare systems your country might have) is irresponsible.

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    81. Re:Cue the jokes... by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

      I forsee an office pool.....

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    82. Re:Cue the jokes... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      What about having a child early in your career, which will lower the amount of money and freedom you get from your subsequent career? Which will leave the child less well educated, less well fed/clothed, than if you delay the child until you have the leverage to take maternity/paternity leave, without sacrificing your earning potential? That's the way to "best provide" for your child.

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    83. Re:Cue the jokes... by Digz · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked, the abuse of illegal drugs was not a right enshrined in the constitution. And if you want to play the "pursuit of happiness" card, then I assume we should just let paedophiles pursue their "happiness" as well.

      Abortion is the direct termination of another's life. The child has its own unique DNA and exists (parasitically, given, but the same could be said for any point during first years of the child's life) apart from the mother. The child puts his or her own defenses up to keep the mother's immune system from attacking.

      I would think that you would rather assert the rights of the most vulnerable life in our society if you indeed really care about liberty.

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    84. Re:Cue the jokes... by lobsterGun · · Score: 1
      OK LISTEN UP EVERYONE!!!!

      Here's a new special edict from m50d:


      Only people who can accurately predict the future may have children. Since the rest of you can't personally be sure that the child will receive the best possible care, you'll have to live out the rest of your pathetic lives childless and alone.

      You poor poor ignorant wretches.

      I pity you... I really do.


      Thus endeth the edict. You may now return to your craven existance content with the knowledge that m50d (as someone MUCH wiser than you) is looking out for the future of the human race.
    85. Re:Cue the jokes... by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      "But presumably not with the same experience that was such an advantage."

      Don't presume anything. You don't know the people.

      "I know a few old people fairly well. What was the point you were trying to make when you said "He probably knew a lot more about life than you do"?"

      The point is that he was probably a lot wiser than you and may have understood things about his child's upbringing that you could not comprehend. You shouldn't be second-guessing him.

      "I'm sure she'll do a good job, but it can't possibly be as good a job as the two of them would have done together."

      No you're not, and yes it can.

      "I'm giving my views."

      You were preaching.

      "This is a discussion website, that's what people do here. I've seen people stridently declare there is no god with no such criticism. Or am I not allowed to have opinions about other peoples' parenting?"

      Were you not trying to imply that James Doohan was a bad parent? That's what it sure seemed like, given the context in which you said it. I don't know whether he was or wasn't a good parent, and I doubt that you do either. In any case, I think your remark was way out of line, especially considering that the thread is about the man's death.

      "If someone did something wrong, they did something wrong, regardless of whether they just died."

      There you go again, implying that he did something wrong, and you don't seem to understand that it's bad form to speak ill of the dead.

    86. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1

      Do you think your child needs to be wealthier? You have to balance things like whether your child has a greater chance of disabilities because you're older. If you think waiting is the best thing for your child then it's what you should do, the child's interests come first. Obviously you have to judge for yourself what you think will be best, but I can't imagine him thinking his child would be better off with him not around.

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    87. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1

      Nice strawman there. As I've said elsewhere, you do the best you can in the circumstances that happen, but when it's a complete obvious certainty that something bad for your child will happen should you have the child, as was the case here, then you shouldn't have the child.

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    88. Re:Cue the jokes... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Well, I think Doohan decided that his wife and the child would be just fine without him. And better off than his wife alone. Or perhaps his wife decided that alone: Doohan had Alzheimers, possibly terminal, and perhaps wasn't entirely independent in this decision 5 years ago. All childbearing/rearing requires endless tradeoffs. I see no reason to believe that this case delivers opportunities for this child below the threshold of "giving them a chance at a good life".

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    89. Re:Cue the jokes... by pallmall1 · · Score: 1

      I certainly hope when _I_ get to be that age I am still "fully functional" and have opportunities to be so. --bold added

      Scotty... was he an engineer or what!

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    90. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1
      The point is that he was probably a lot wiser than you and may have understood things about his child's upbringing that you could not comprehend. You shouldn't be second-guessing him.

      Try me. If he's had these insights, why aren't they public knowledge? The way we learn is through questioning.

      No you're not,

      Ok, I'm not. I'm trying to be polite here, you seem to be criticising me again for not doing so later on. I'm reasonably confident she'll do a good job.

      and yes it can

      How? Are you saying he would have been a negative impact on his child's upbringing?

      You were preaching

      If that's preaching, how can I say what I think is right or wrong without doing it? Or are we not allowed to discuss such things here?

      Were you not trying to imply that James Doohan was a bad parent?

      No. I was trying to imply that, as a human like all the rest of us, he was wrong in that particular decision. It doesn't make him a bad parent on the whole. No-one's perfect, and he may well be far closer than I'd be. But I will still call out anything I see as being wrong that he does. I'd expect anyone else to do the same for me.

      There you go again, implying that he did something wrong,

      I'm not implying that he did something wrong, any more than I'm implying he abused his children when I say elsewhere that people survive childhood sexual abuse and grow up normal.

      and you don't seem to understand that it's bad form to speak ill of the dead.

      No, I don't. Are the people here who criticise Stalin guilty of bad form? It's not like we're at his funeral or speaking with personal friends/family of his. If the topic comes up in the discussion (I didn't introduce it), I'm going to give my views, if I think he did something wrong, I'll say he did something wrong. Do we have to pretend dead people were perfect?

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    91. Re:Cue the jokes... by cahiha · · Score: 1

      Sarah Brady is trying to force you to stop doing something that is bad for someone else.

    92. Re:Cue the jokes... by cahiha · · Score: 1

      Explain welfare and medicaid, and that guy FICA who steals part of every one of my paychecks then.

      Simple: it's so that you pay for the risk of you becoming indigent. If you weren't forced to pay for insurance against that, you wouldn't bother (as your comment indicates), and other people would have to assume the risk that you so foolishly take.

    93. Re:Cue the jokes... by tremor_tj · · Score: 1

      I already pay for it, through my workplace. Now I get to pay for it twice.

      How does my comment indicate in any way that I wouldn't pay for insurance? I've seen no valid argument for wealth redistribution yet.

    94. Re:Cue the jokes... by scosol · · Score: 1

      Hmmmmm- I bet Colonel Angus would know-

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    95. Re:Cue the jokes... by jcr · · Score: 1

      What parts of the New Deal do you consider more important and more successful than Social Security?

      Well, the pickings are pretty slim, but I would point to rural electrification as one of the very few worthwhile achievements of FDR's great power grab.

      -jcr

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    96. Re:Cue the jokes... by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 1

      Well, the pickings are pretty slim, but I would point to rural electrification as one of the very few worthwhile achievements of FDR's great power grab.

      The fact that social security largely solved an elderly poverty rate greater than 50% doesn't impress you all that much, eh? I would post a counter "LOL!" myself, but that seems kind of childish... Cheers

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    97. Re:Cue the jokes... by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      Lets think about this on the subject of Sarah Dohhan getting the right kind of care/attention until age 18 (this assumes of course that she would be set afterwards) 1 Mother is still alive 2 Father was most likely ~rich 3 Insta-Fame "one of Scotties kids" 4 Mother and Father have brains 5 chances are every .edu with either heavy arts or heavy tech has a note to look her up later 6 The Trek fanbase 7 The Geek Community I think she will be just fine

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    98. Re:Cue the jokes... by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      First this:
      "he was wrong"

      Then this:
      "I'm not implying that he did something wrong"

      You're just fucked.

    99. Re:Cue the jokes... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      well, you have to admit that SS has been pretty successful so far, but the problem is being in that there is a retirement boom coming and there aren't enough younger people to pick up the slack

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    100. Re:Cue the jokes... by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      Nobody said it was.

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    101. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1
      First this:

      "he was wrong"

      Then this:

      "I'm not implying that he did something wrong"

      That's taken out of context. I'm saying he was wrong near the top, but the lower paragraph wasn't implying that he did something wrong, rather making a more general statement about whether we should criticise people.

      You're just fucked.

      Insult me, that shows you have a good argument. (That's sarcasm in case you didn't notice)

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    102. Re:Cue the jokes... by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      It's not out of context. The entire thread is right there for all to see. You're trying to bolster a bogus argument by equivocating.

      The insult may not add anything to my argument, but it's a good concise summary.

    103. Re:Cue the jokes... by cahiha · · Score: 1

      I already pay for it, through my workplace. Now I get to pay for it twice.

      No, you don't. Your workplace retirement benefits are not guaranteed (even if they say they are). Millions of people have paid into insurance and workplace-related benefits and were left with nothing when they retired.

      I've seen no valid argument for wealth redistribution yet.

      Social security and similar government programs have nothing to do with "wealth redistribution"; they are there to guarantee you a minimum income in case all other precautions fail.

      (Some wealth redistribution is essential for a free society, and everybody benefits from it, but that's a separate argument.)

    104. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1
      It's not out of context. The entire thread is right there for all to see. You're trying to bolster a bogus argument by equivocating.

      It was out of context in your post. I defended saying he'd done something wrong, but below I wasn't implying that. It doesn't matter if I was implying that, because I've defended saying that elsewhere, but I wasn't actually trying to imply that at that particular point. You're nitpicking and insulting because you have no reply to my actual points.

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    105. Re:Cue the jokes... by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

      "I wasn't implying that."

      Liar.

    106. Re:Cue the jokes... by m50d · · Score: 1

      Why don't you go back to the playground where you can find the level of discourse you seem to be more suited to?

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  12. To quote STII, The Wrath of Kahn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Is the word given, sir?"

    "Aye, laddie-- warp speed."

    RIP, Scotty.

    1. Re:To quote STII, The Wrath of Kahn. by Rinzai · · Score: 1
      And Warp 10, at that, Mr. Scott.

      In my head, I always wanted to be Mr. Spock.

      In my heart, I always wanted to be Scotty.

    2. Re:To quote STII, The Wrath of Kahn. by Yikes777 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the conversation you're attempting to quote happened between Admiral Kirk and Scotty's nephew, Preston. It went like this:

      Preston: "Is the word given, Admiral?"

      Kirk: "The word is given: Warp speed."

      Preston: "Aye..."

      STII: TWOK script can be found here: http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/khan.shtm l
  13. Favorite Quote by lecithin · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Just before they went into warp, I beamed the whole kit and kaboodle into their engine room, where they'll be no tribble at all."

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    1. Re:Favorite Quote by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1
      Mine was:

      Manoeuver??!!?? Aye, we can wallow like a garbage scow before a warp-driven starship!

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    2. Re:Favorite Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all power to the engines

    3. Re:Favorite Quote by fishdan · · Score: 4, Funny

      On TNG to Jordi: "How are you going to get a reputation as a miracle worker if you tell the Captain the actual amount of time it will take?!?!"

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    4. Re:Favorite Quote by Flying+Purple+Wombat · · Score: 1

      "Cap'n - there be whales here!"

      Not sure why I like that quote, it's such a ridiculous thing to say.

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    5. Re:Favorite Quote by david.given · · Score: 1
      "Just before they went into warp, I beamed the whole kit and kaboodle into their engine room, where they'll be no tribble at all."

      You know, after hearing it said many times, it's only just now when seeing it written that I've realised that there's a really foul pun in that line.

      Dear me. Dear deary me...

    6. Re:Favorite Quote by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1
      Probably the same reason you have the user name Flying Purple Wombat and the sig "If God had meant for man to see the sunrise, He would have scheduled it later in the day."

      Basically, you have the same twisted sense of humor that me and a lot my friends have :-)

    7. Re:Favorite Quote by fitten · · Score: 1

      I liked (from the same episode):

      GILLIAN: A miracle, Mr. Scott.
      SCOTTY: ... The miracle is yet to come.

      And of course the whole scene where they show transparent aluminum to the guy in his office.

      Rest In Peace James, You touched my life.

    8. Re:Favorite Quote by tropicflite · · Score: 1

      I always wondered about that... you know as soon as those Tribbles showed up in the Romulan engine room, they started pumping them out into space ASAP. Cruel, when you think about.

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  14. He will be missed by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 1

    He will be missed

    1. Re:He will be missed by Punboy · · Score: 1

      English translation please. Not all of us can read Gaelic.

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  15. no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WELSHEY!!!! er.. I mean... SCOTTY!!!!

  16. A sad day by Nos. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scotty had to be one of the most beloved Star Trek characters of all time and Mr. Doohan really made the character. I only hope that someone somewhere will play Amazing Grace on the pipes for him as he did for Spock at the end of Star Trek II.

    1. Re:A sad day by Lotharus · · Score: 1

      +1. Now that is classy.

    2. Re:A sad day by Tuna_Shooter · · Score: 1

      If one person changed the life path that i have taken ( I became an engineer) I will say that person was James Doohan. He was and always will be a hero to all engineers.

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    3. Re:A sad day by halivar · · Score: 1

      I only hope that someone somewhere will play Amazing Grace on the pipes for him as he did for Spock at the end of Star Trek II.

      And this time, let's dispense with the cheesey electric organ and use real bagpipes, shall we? The best Star Trek movie ever ends with three minutes of fingernails screeching on a chalkboard.

    4. Re:A sad day by TrevorB · · Score: 1

      Maybe we could go with his home down boys and get the world class Simon Fraser University Pipe Band to play for him.

      When bagpipes are played *well*, they actually sound good. Then again, I'm biased, this is my university.

      (samples here)

    5. Re:A sad day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I became an engineer

      Cool. Do you get to wear one of those hats?

    6. Re:A sad day by InfoVore · · Score: 1

      I only hope that someone somewhere will play Amazing Grace on the pipes for him as he did for Spock at the end of Star Trek II.

      Thank You! I hadn't thought of that. I'm playing it on my iPod right now. Now to go to google for some pictures while I listen.

      -I.V.

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    7. Re:A sad day by ThePuceGuardian · · Score: 1

      No worries. I'm doing that myself, right now. I wonder who's at the door?

    8. Re:A sad day by insurgio · · Score: 0

      Well... It's not that sad Mr. Doohan just went to the next level. He seems to have lived a good life... What more could you ask for? I hope I am so lucky...

    9. Re:A sad day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good call. I'm cranking up "Amazing Grace" as performed by the Dropkick Murphys as I type this.

      I'll be toasting him with a bottle of Guinness Extra Stout when I get home from work.

  17. First Prime Factorization Post by 2*2*3*75011 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    85 = 5*17

  18. Godspeed Mr. Doohan by RoverDaddy · · Score: 1

    nothing else to say...

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  19. Well, at least by Cranst0n · · Score: 2, Funny

    He can annoy Bones some more. RIP Mr. Doohan.

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    1. Re:Well, at least by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
      He can annoy Bones some more. RIP Mr. Doohan.
      That's nothing. Just wait 'till Leonard Nemoy dies...
  20. Sad, and here come the bad jokes by jokestress · · Score: 1

    I have my phaser set on kill for the first person who makes a "beam me up" comment.

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    1. Re:Sad, and here come the bad jokes by mesach · · Score: 1

      How can you, Scotty isn't there to beam you up.

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    2. Re:Sad, and here come the bad jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have my phaser set on kill..."

      You sound hot. But, I really know you're a guy. Er, wait... FemNazi!

    3. Re:Sad, and here come the bad jokes by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
      I have my phaser set on kill

      That's useless. All I have to do is give you a light karate chop to the shoulder, and you'll drop the phaser and fall to the floor unconscious.

  21. All good things... by vethia · · Score: 1
    I think a little piece of my childhood just died.

    We'll miss you, Scotty.

  22. Thanks! by bc90021 · · Score: 1

    Yahoo! News Link

    Thanks for:
    Being Scotty, and being cheerful about it.
    Your efforts at Normandy in World War II, which almost cost you your life, and did cost you a finger.

    You will be missed!

  23. god speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God Speed.

  24. So much for getting beamed up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe someone can see if Snotty can do it.

  25. sad... by idiotdevel · · Score: 5, Funny

    may the force be with you!

    wait...

    1. Re:sad... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think every Trekkie reading that just had a heart attack. So, ummm...good work!

    2. Re:sad... by idiotdevel · · Score: 5, Funny

      may the force be with them as well

    3. Re:sad... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Funny
      may the force be with you!
      And I felt a great disturbance in the force, like a thousand voices saying "NOOOO!!!" in unison...
    4. Re:sad... by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Aren't you one of the Little Rascals?

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    5. Re:sad... by kidNexus · · Score: 1

      nothing to see here. move along.

    6. Re:sad... by dosun88888 · · Score: 1

      From the Las Vegas Hilton's bathrooms near their Star Trek thing:

      "May the LUCK be with you."

      And they got Michael Dorn to say it.

      ~D

  26. RIP by IcyNeko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... Of all the characters in Star Trek.... He.. was the most... human.

  27. aye... by grub · · Score: 1


    Scotty's been beamed up.

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    1. Re:aye... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad his brain was beamed up well before his body was.

  28. Just wondering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was he the guy on the article icon ?

  29. Looks like by nagora · · Score: 1
    he couldnae change the laws of physics after all...

    A damn good innings for someone that was machine-gunned on D-Day.

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  30. Nothing for me to see here. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nothing for me to see here. Please beam me up.

    (Thanks for teaching me how to keep my reputation as a miracle worker. I'll be enjoyin' a wee dram in your honor tonight, James.)

    1. Re:Nothing for me to see here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I said to my wife...
      We got any Scotch in the house ?
      Scotty's toast.

  31. He was an influence by peptidbond · · Score: 1

    My early love of Star Trek was certainly an influence on my career and life now. James was a part of that and I am definitely thankful.

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  32. Silly Scotty. by Silverlancer · · Score: 1

    Should have put yourself into the transporter buffer and waited for a future starship to find you, like you did last time!

  33. The nicest cast member by garylian · · Score: 0

    I got to meet quite a few of the cast members from the original show, missing only Shatner and Nimoy. Of all of them, Doohan was the nicest guy of the bunch. Several others were really good guys/girls, as well, but Doohan was the best, face to face. Rest in peace, big guy.

  34. Rest In Peace by CyborgWarrior · · Score: 1

    He's given her all she can handle. RIP.

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  35. A good memorial would be... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Sending his ashes out on a solar sail to the far end of the solar system and beyond "to go where no man has gone before". :)

    1. Re:A good memorial would be... by fostware · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Space Shuttle is obviously waiting for his ashes... That would be fitting. (Depending on the families wishes of course)

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  36. RIP by alphax45 · · Score: 1

    And may the force be with him...
    Wait... which one are we talking about again?
    Oh my bad!
    RIP

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  37. Arrrrgh! by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    I grew up with TOS, it had a HUGE influence on me.
    Damn...

    Get your DVR's warmed up, I smell a TOS marathon coming up on scifi..

    Beam me up Scotty, this planet sucks....

    1. Re:Arrrrgh! by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      Would that not be on Spike?? Anyway, in his honor, I am going to watch my favorite movie with Scotty in it...Star Trek IV.

      Hello computer??

      and

      Keyboard! How quaint!

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  38. Seeya Scotty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    scotty is getting beamed up for the last time

  39. Once is all that is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "He's dead Jim."

    Okay, it is said. Once. No need for every other post to be this line. Especially since Deforest Kelly is already gone.

    How about something insightful instead?

  40. Beam Me Up? by ect5150 · · Score: 1


    Looks like he was finally beamed up to the final frontier?

    So long Scotty! I'm sure he'll be missed.

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  41. Remembering James Doohan by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just as Agnes Moorehead didn't want to be remembered only as "the witch", I think it's kind of insulting to James Doohan just to encapsulate remberences of him solely as his most well-known character. Can anyone out there comment on his other roles? (e.g. Star Commander of Jason?) his military service? or his long, long life?

    We all know he had a fun, fake Scottish accent and was unparalleled in delivering technobabble in just the right doses for a good episode of Trek, but I'd love to hear the stories of this man that aren't penned by Rodenberry or copyrighted by Viacom.

    Anyone have any?

    1. Re:Remembering James Doohan by spot35 · · Score: 1

      Wiki always has a lot of information on people. This page also tells of his exploits as a writer and as a linguist. Apparently, he devised the Vulcan and Klingon languages.
      BR Unfortunately not too much else I'm afraid and I'm sure many more better informed /.'ers will provide more information.

    2. Re:Remembering James Doohan by biglig2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can never think of Agnes Moorehead as her bewitched character, I just think of the way her voice almost imperceptibly chokes when she says "it's been packed for weeks".

      James Doohan did a lot of stuff apart from Trek - check out his IMDB entry. In the Man from U.N.C.L.E. twice, the Fugitive (also twice - they always seemed to reuse actors in those days), Bonanza, Twilight Zone, Outer Limits (very good in that as I recall). I remember seeing him in "The Bold and the Beautiful" and doing a double-take.

      Oh, and he was in Bewitched! Series two, not with Agnes Moorehead, alas.

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    3. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Gryphn · · Score: 1

      You can find a listing of all his credited TV/Movie roles here -- http://imdb.com/name/nm0001150/

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    4. Re:Remembering James Doohan by jayhawk88 · · Score: 1

      Actually the CNN obit of him mentions that while the idea of being seen and remembered only as Scotty did bother him for a while, he eventually came to terms with it and embraced it thanks to sage advice from his barber.

    5. Re:Remembering James Doohan by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is one of the best writeups I've seen on him.

    6. Re:Remembering James Doohan by jayhawk88 · · Score: 1

      Oops, make that his dentist. His barber was the one that told him to grow the 'stache apparently.

    7. Re:Remembering James Doohan by bburns · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it's kind of insulting to James Doohan just to encapsulate remberences of him solely as his most well-known character.

      Here's a little blurb taken straight from the CNN obit:

      When the series ended in 1969, Doohan found himself typecast as Montgomery Scott, the canny engineer with a burr in his voice. In 1973, he complained to his dentist, who advised him: "Jimmy, you're going to be Scotty long after you're dead. If I were you, I'd go with the flow."

      "I took his advice," said Doohan, "and since then everything's been just lovely."

      To most people, James Doohan was Scotty, is Scotty, and always will be Scotty. It's not insulting at all. Here's a guy who knew what he was, accepted it, and lived an enjoyable, pleasant life for it. We'd all be better off by learning a lesson from him.

    8. Re:Remembering James Doohan by sehlat · · Score: 1

      Yes. I can still remember him as the detective in the original Outer Limits episode "Expanding Human." He did a good job of projecting a cop who wasn't about to buy anything other than evidence, but wasn't a "tough bully."

      RIP.

    9. Re:Remembering James Doohan by object88 · · Score: 1

      ...I think it's kind of insulting to James Doohan just to encapsulate remberences of him solely as his most well-known character.

      I see your point, but as stated in the CNN obituary, he totally accepted the character and the fact that he was the living embodiment thereof.

      "I took his advice [to 'go with the flow']," said Doohan, "and since then everything's been just lovely."

      And regarding that infamous quote:

      "I'm not tired of it at all," he replied. "Good gracious, it's been said to me for just about 31 years. It's been said to me at 70 miles an hour across four lanes on the freeway. I hear it from just about everybody. It's been fun."

      Certainly, he was much more than Scotty, but geeks can't be blamed for toasting him for his most captivating persona. All that said, I'd like to hear more about his life outside Star Trek.

    10. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      James Doohan was troubled by his typecasting in the years following ST:TOS cancellation, until his dentist told him: 'you're going to be scotty the rest of your life whether you like it or not'. After that Doohan says he just went with it and became a much happier person, and admitted that life had treated him very well.

      Another tidbit...as like most good soldiers (David Niven comes to mind) he underplayed his WWII experience very much, when talking about it in public usually talked about how scared he was etc. He was at the Juno Beach landings on D-Day and took 6 bullets (including the loss of one of his fingers).

      I never met him, but people I know who did claim he was probably the most charming, down-to-earth media personality they ever met. Old-school gentleman, with a great sense of humour and humilty. This can be contrasted slightly with Canada's OTHER contribution to Star Trek, William (Farking) Shanter...

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    11. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Gharlane+of+Eddore · · Score: 1

      Mr. Doohan starred in a movie adaptation of the book "Flight into Danger" (later re-titled "Runway 08") by Arthor Hailey. Sort of a first cut at writing "Airport" In the movie, Mr. Doohan played the passenger of an airliner who took over the controls of an airliner after the pilot and copilot fell ill with food poisoning after both ate the fish. And yes he was a former fighter pilot in WWII. If this sounds familiar it should, as Airplane! was (very) loosely based on the same book, as well as satirizing "Airport". Yes I do mean that. And don't call me Shirley.

    12. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! It's because of Agnes Moorehead that I chose to become a witch.

    13. Re:Remembering James Doohan by gryphokk · · Score: 1

      "Would that be wirth somethin' to ye laddie? Or should I just punch up 'Clear'?"

      "How do we know he din't invent the thingie?"

      (RE your sig: I, Me, Mine was a Harrisong)

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    14. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's kind of insulting to James Doohan just to encapsulate remberences of him solely as his most well-known character...

      Umm, his most well-known character is how he interacted w/ the majority of the people. People should remember him based on their interactions with him. His family won't remember him based on his Star Trek character, I will. To pretend that I should remember him based on his stellar fatherly presence is policitally correct bs.

    15. Re:Remembering James Doohan by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1
      He was on one of my favourite shows "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" twice, playing basically the same character (a presidential advisor) both times. I had hoped that it would be a recurring role, but the show shifted focus.

      However, Captain Montgomery Scott was my favourite character in Star Trek.

      I'd like to join my voice to the many, giving James' family and friends my best wishes and condolences in their time of loss.

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    16. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, your sig...that's George Harrison, not John Lennon.

    17. Re:Remembering James Doohan by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

      I will happily add my "me too" post in this thread.

      Unlike certain other Star Trek actors, I have never heard a bad word about Mr. Doohan. Although I never met him, he seemed to be a truly affable gentleman worthy of all the praise heaped on him, both on and off the screen.

      Plus, considering his efforts in WWII makes him a lot closer to a real-life hero than any on-screen appearance.

      Safe travels, old friend.

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    18. Re:Remembering James Doohan by The12thRonin · · Score: 1

      He was in the artillery, not a pilot.

    19. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Mike+McCune · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I met James about 20 years ago. Our high school managed to scrape up enough money to have him come out to our small town. Even though he was in his 60's, he talked for several hours including a long Q&A session. He talked about storming the beaches during D-Day, he talked about his family, he talked about the Star Trek cast and also did several of his accents.

      I was a lifelong Star Trek fan and I realized that James Doohan was about lot more than playing Scottie. He was a very gracious host and his real life was as interesting as anything he played on TV.

      Star Trek is the reason I am working in the technology field. Scottie made engineering cool and in the tradition of Scottie, I am a hands on engineer.

      Even though I only met him once, I feel like I have lost a close colleague. Goodbye, James. You will be missed but not forgotten.

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    20. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Gryphn · · Score: 1
      (RE your sig: I, Me, Mine was a Harrisong)


      Hmmm. didn't realize he was the writer. Thanks
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    21. Re:Remembering James Doohan by orthogonal · · Score: 1
      "We all know he had a fun, fake Scottish accent and was unparalleled in delivering technobabble in just the right doses for a good episode of Trek, but I'd love to hear the stories of this man that aren't penned by Rodenberry or copyrighted by Viacom."

      I was a bit surprised to hear on NPR that Doohan had served as a captain in the Canadian Army during World War Two, was wounded the arm and leg during the D-Day invasion, and lost a finger as well.

      In any case, I'd be remiss if I didn't send James Doohan off with the traditional Slashdot salute:
      I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Star Trek actor James "Scotty" Doohan was found dead in his Washington State home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly a Canadian icon.
    22. Re:Remembering James Doohan by Gharlane+of+Eddore · · Score: 1

      I was referring to the role he played in the movie!

    23. Re:Remembering James Doohan by dillon_rinker · · Score: 1

      It's possible to do both; aircraft were used as artillery spotters.

    24. Re:Remembering James Doohan by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1

      He was a captain in the Royal Canadian Artillery during the D-Day landing. He was a pilot observer later in the war. Do your research on the guy before claiming what he didn't do in WWII. He did a lot. He was quite a guy.

  42. How terrible by falc0n2600 · · Score: 1

    Well, he got beamed up.
    That's terribly sad. Now, after reading the Half-Blood Prince, I feel sad all over.

    1. Re:How terrible by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      " Well, he got beamed up.
      That's terribly sad. Now, after reading the Half-Blood Prince, I feel sad all over."

      Oh no! Scotty was The Half-Blood Prince?? Damn that J.K.Rowling!

  43. From Star Trek movie: by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    Don't list him as deceased. List him as "missing".

    1. Re:From Star Trek movie: by BiloxiGeek · · Score: 1

      Now that's the most appropriate sentiment I've read here yet. Thanks.

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  44. nice by zsoltbarat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    try

  45. What an Influence by porsche911 · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many of us became engineers at least partially because of him?

    "Cap'tn, she can na take any mor!"

  46. Influential... by Mad_Rain · · Score: 1

    On a previous slashdot story, I heard several people talk about how influential he was on their science and engineering careers - his character was an inspiration, as was he. I found those stories to be really cool.

    So here is a chance for some of you to eulogize him and talk about how important he was as a person - I'm sure I'm not the only one who like to hear your stories...

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  47. Famous last words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Scotty's dead!"
    "Damnit Jim! I'm a doctor not a...oh ok..yea...he's dead as hell."

    But seriously, good luck on your final mission Scotty.

  48. Scotty's Rule of Thumb by stuffduff · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I remember Scotty explaining to LaForge one day that his secret was to always exaggerate the time it takes to do something by a factor of eight. Usually this made him look like a hero, but he always had that built in time for dealing with the unforeseen problem. It was one of the more important lessons I learned from Star Trek.

    But the real value that James Doohan brought to his role, and that I value from his life was his enthusiasm. The positiveness he brought to his role came from the heart. He embodied and lived the "Can Do" attitude. Hopefully it was every bit as infectious as the rest of Star Trek and we will all remember that we too 'can do!'

    --
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    1. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by daeley · · Score: 4, Funny

      Spock: "Ahh, Mr. Scott, I understand you're having difficulty with the warp drive. How much time do you require for repair?"

      Scotty: "There's nothing wrong with the bloody thing!"

      Spock: "Mr. Scott, if we return to Spacedock, the assassins will surely find a way to dispose of their incriminating footwear, and we will never see the Captain, or Dr. McCoy, alive again."

      Scotty: "Could take weeks, sir."

      Spock: "Thank you, Mr. Scott."

      (From Star Trek VI)

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    2. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by humdinger70 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually,it was a factor of 4. He said so in Star Trek III:The Search for Spock when he was estimating the refit after the activities with Khan in the prior pic.

      Dialog went as follows (Best guess, sorry if I don't get all the words exactly right)...

      Kirk: How much time for the refit, Scotty?
      Scotty: Eight weeks, sir. But we don't have eight weeks, so I'll have it done in two.
      Kirk: Mr. Scott, have you always multipled your repair estimates by a factor of four?
      Scotty: Of course, sir. How else am I going to maintain my reputation as a miracle worker?

      Sleep well, Jimmy. Give our regards to DeForest when you seem him.

    3. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was one of the more important lessons I learned from Star Trek.

      To lie to your boss in order to make you look good? Scotty sounds like the stereotypical primadonna programmer.

      he always had that built in time for dealing with the unforeseen problem.

      It's the boss' job to allow for that, not yours. Or, if it's yours, it's also your job to explain to him that you are allowing for things like that. If you lie to your boss about how long it will take you to do something, then all that happens is you both allow for unforeseen problems, and the schedule gets out of whack.

      Every time I see that episode it annoys me. It's dishonesty for the sole purpose of pumping up a reputation. Watch it again, he says sod all about "allowing for the unforeseen". It's all about making yourself look like a hero.

    4. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by Eil · · Score: 1


      This is quite eerie, as the wife and I just watched that episode last night...

    5. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by SamSeaborn · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I remember Scotty explaining to LaForge one day that his secret was to always exaggerate the time it takes to do something by a factor of eight. Usually this made him look like a hero, but he always had that built in time for dealing with the unforeseen problem.

      I always hated that scene. Scotty *was* a miracle worker -- he really DID accomplish engineering miracles when the ship was in mortal danger -- and always did it in less time than it would take any other engineer.

      In ST:III he made a joke that he exaggerates estimates to Kirk, "Certainly, sir. How else can I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?"

      But it was a *joke*! In that ST:TNG episode they had Scotty decalre that he regularly exaggerated and lied about estimates only to make himself look better. This forever tarnishing Scotty brilliance, and I hated (HATED!) that scene.

      Sigh ... I really, really hate that scene.

      Sam

    6. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by CptNerd · · Score: 2, Insightful
      he always had that built in time for dealing with the unforeseen problem.

      It's the boss' job to allow for that, not yours. Or, if it's yours, it's also your job to explain to him that you are allowing for things like that. If you lie to your boss about how long it will take you to do something, then all that happens is you both allow for unforeseen problems, and the schedule gets out of whack.
      This has to be the funniest thing I've seen on Slashdot in years!

      The boss never factors in the possibility of failure. Never, never, never. He has to tell his boss that everything will be done sooner, with fewer resources, and will perform better than the previous estimate.

      If the boss doesn't like the numbers we developers give him, why does he ask?

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    7. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by schon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I remember Scotty explaining to LaForge one day that his secret was to always exaggerate the time it takes to do something by a factor of eight.

      Not quite - the actual conversation went as follows:

      Scott: "Do you mind a little advice? Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now, and they want it their way. But the secret is to give only what they need, not what they want!"
      LaForge: "Yeah, well I told the captain I'd have this analysis done in an hour."
      Scott: "How long would it really take?"
      LaForge: "An hour!"
      Scott: "Oh, you didn't tell him how long it would *really* take, did you?"
      LaForge: "Well of course I did."
      Scott: "Oh, laddie, you've got a lot to learn if you want people to think of you as a miracle worker!"

    8. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by xlr8ed · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've generally heard it referred to as the "Montgomery Scott Time Management System".

    9. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 1

      Chin up! Sometimes a good starship engineer has to also be a good social engineer.

    10. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've just described the difference between a good boss and a bad boss. A good boss knows how long it's really going to take based on how well you've met your estimates in the past.

    11. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by lindsley · · Score: 1

      To lie to your boss in order to make you look good? Scotty sounds like the stereotypical primadonna programmer.

      No -- to lie to your boss to get him to accept the numbers that will make him appear predictable and reliable. Sounds like a stereotypical primadonna manager.

      I had a project once that came out to about six months in duration in planning. One task was "surprises - 3 weeks". My manager asked me to explain this, and I told him that since we never did a formal post-mortem on projects I couldn't say exactly why, but it seems our schedules were consistently off about a week for every two months of planned activity. So three weeks for six months would just about give us the correct date.

      He didn't disagree, but this was unpalatable to him, because he couldn't justify it to his manager, so we added one day to each of fifteen carefully chosen subtasks. He went away happy, and the project came in "on time".

      Afterward, I'd ask if he wanted schedules done for "calendar time" or "engineering time". He always chose "calendar time", loudly whistled a tuneless whistle when I explained the difference, and was pleased (and rewarded by his management) when it came in on time or early.

      Sometimes the world ain't perfect but you learn how to get things done anyway. That's Scotty's legacy. Miracles may just be bad scheduling but good career management is observing what happens around you anyway and using it to your advantage.

    12. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      It's the boss' job to allow for that, not yours. Or, if it's yours, it's also your job to explain to him that you are allowing for things like that. If you lie to your boss about how long it will take you to do something, then all that happens is you both allow for unforeseen problems, and the schedule gets out of whack.

      It all evens out in the end. It's how nature protects weak products.

      First, the engineer pads his schedule.
      PHB: Six Months?
      DILBERT: At least.
      DILBERT (thinking): One month to build the product and five months to play "DOOM" on my computer.

      Then the manager pads the schedule as clever negotiating ploy.

      PHB: One year...unless you add people to my tiny empire.

      Then the vice president pads the schedule to avoid looking bad to the president.

      VP: Eighteen months.

      Meanwhile, the sales people are making up numbers because nobody tells them anything.
      SALES (to customer): Two months...and it solves every problem you have!

      This cause the customers to develop irrational desire for the product.

      CUSTOMER: Give me the "beta" test version in one month.

      Thus nature disguises weak products as "beta".
      CUSTOMER: Cardboard? That's stupid.
      DILBERT: Oh...then it's beta.

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    13. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by 955301 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Companies change bosses like toddlers change shirts. I'm not going to be the point man on a disaster on account of drawing a fool in the next round of reorganizations.

      Besides, the boss doesn't have enough information to allow for problems since you're the one familiar with the work, not the boss. Nevermind the obvious conflict of interest he or she has when reporting up to whittle the times down.

      No, you're definately wrong on this one. Otherwise, why would the boss ask you for an estimate in the first place? You as the worker, are accountable for the difference between your estimate and the outcome. Period.

      Besides, it makes the *TEAM* look like rock stars when something's done before the deadline. Is it really dishonest that you got there by expecting the unexpected? Just because Star Trek simplified the idea doesn't mean its dishonest and self centered.

      Please stop letting hollywood science fiction influence your ethics and decision making. Sheesh!

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    14. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by gregm · · Score: 1

      Scotty being a really nice guy, didn't want to make LaForge look bad, so he told that little white lie to Laforge in an attemp to make LaForge feel good about himself. Feel better now :)

    15. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides, the boss doesn't have enough information to allow for problems since you're the one familiar with the work, not the boss.

      You are overgeneralising. Sure, there may be some situations where an individual would know better about potential problems, but usually it's something that should be managed at the project level, not the individual level.

      Nevermind the obvious conflict of interest he or she has when reporting up to whittle the times down.

      Double standard. Somehow your boss has a conflict of interest in reporting the time to his boss, but you don't have a conflict of interest in reporting the time to your boss? And it's okay for you to lie but not okay for him to?

      why would the boss ask you for an estimate in the first place?

      I'll take a wild stab in the dark with this one... because he wants to know how long something will take? And how is lying to him going to help him with that?

      You as the worker, are accountable for the difference between your estimate and the outcome. Period.

      You can usually spot a bogus argument by the way the person making it tries to avoid further discussion by appending "Period." to it.

      So, if your manager needs to take you off the task you are working on to work on something else for a few days, you are accountable for that? If he decides to pull somebody off a support library you were going to use, so they can work on something else, you are accountable for the time difference from not being able to use that library? So if you get hit by a car and have to lie in hospital for three weeks, you are accountable for that?

      Individual estimates are not set in stone. Things completely out of your control can and do affect them. In most cases, the only sensible place to manage them is on the project level, not on the individual level.

      Sure, a manager is going to ask you how long you think something is going to take. If you lie to him, it's only going to fuck up the schedules, because he's going to be accounting for setbacks too. He has to, it's part of his job. It's not part of yours.

      Besides, it makes the *TEAM* look like rock stars when something's done before the deadline. Is it really dishonest that you got there by expecting the unexpected?

      It's not dishonest because you "expect the unexpected". It's dishonest because you "expect the unexpected" and then tell your boss that's the unpadded time. For what? For ego? For reputation? That's a primadonna attitude.

      Please stop letting hollywood science fiction influence your ethics and decision making. Sheesh!

      I'm disagreeing with somebody who said "It was one of the more important lessons I learned from Star Trek." I don't think I'm the one that is letting hollywood science fiction influence my ethics and decision making.

    16. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by 955301 · · Score: 1


      okay, your response is ridiculous. You actually took sections of sentences, making completely different thoughts and then responded to those new ideas.

      Not worth responding to with any great effort. Sorry.

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    17. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? No I didn't. Maybe you meant something other than what you said, but that's not my fault.

    18. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't disagree, but this was unpalatable to him, because he couldn't justify it to his manager

      You justified it to him. Why was that justification not suitable for his manager? It sounds to me like you are lying to cover up an organisational weakness.

      Sometimes the world ain't perfect but you learn how to get things done anyway. That's Scotty's legacy.

      No, it's not. Scotty was directly advocating lying to improve reputation. That's different to lying to get something done.

    19. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by 955301 · · Score: 1

      Uhm, yeah:

      You quoted this:
        why would the boss ask you for an estimate in the first place?

      And resonded with this:
      I'll take a wild stab in the dark with this one... because he wants to know how long something will take?

      I said:
      Besides, the boss doesn't have enough information to allow for problems since you're the one familiar with the work, not the boss...Otherwise, why would the boss ask you for an estimate in the first place?

      So you cut the rhetorical question out of context and then answered it.

      The rest I leave as an exercise.

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    20. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you were arguing that you are the only person qualified to estimate certain things. If you had bothered to *read my comment* (I know, shocker, huh?), then you would see that I was pointing out that it's not the fact that you are padding for unexpected conditions that is the problem, but the fact that you are padding for unexpected conditions and then presenting that to your boss as an unpadded estimate.

      Next time, try reading and comprehending before replying.

    21. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by 955301 · · Score: 1

      What exactly is an unpadded estimate? The only way to provide such a thing would be to run off statistical analysis of past efforts and provide the median and standard deviation to the boss. Otherwise, estimates are always rounded up because there aren't enough significant digits to do anything but.

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    22. Re:Scotty's Rule of Thumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly is an unpadded estimate?

      Oh come on, keep up.

      An estimate is how long you think it is likely to take you to do something. The padding is additional time that may be required to account for unexpected delays.

      Any halfway competent manager will be adding time for unexpected delays. If you present a padded estimate to him when he is expecting an unpadded estimate, then the final estimate the project will be working from will be too large. Fucking with the project management to do nothing but make yourself look good is unprofessional.

      Clear enough for you?

  49. I can't believe it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yesterday Stephen King, and now this!

  50. Bad quote. by Kozz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Bad quote in that CNN article. All the real trekkies (trekkers? whatever.) know that the exact phrase "Beam me up, Scotty" never happened in any TOS script.

    May you rest in peace, Mr. Doohan.

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    1. Re:Bad quote. by Mikail · · Score: 1

      Bad quote in that CNN article. All the real trekkies (trekkers? whatever.) know that the exact phrase "Beam me up, Scotty" never happened in any TOS script.

      Yes, therefore it was "apocryphal," as CNN said... Not a bad quote, just a vocabulary lesson...

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    2. Re:Bad quote. by ptbarnett · · Score: 4, Informative
      Bad quote in that CNN article. All the real trekkies (trekkers? whatever.) know that the exact phrase "Beam me up, Scotty" never happened in any TOS script.

      RTEFA. (E = Entire)

      The last two paragraphs:

      In a 1998 interview, Doohan was asked if he ever got tired of hearing the line "Beam me up, Scotty" -- a line that, reportedly, was never actually spoken on the TV show.

      "I'm not tired of it at all," he replied. "Good gracious, it's been said to me for just about 31 years. It's been said to me at 70 miles an hour across four lanes on the freeway. I hear it from just about everybody. It's been fun."

    3. Re:Bad quote. by iworm · · Score: 1

      Dammit what a fine man! When so many in "showbiz" act all precious and snooty, it's good to see someone who realised that he was in a privileged position and enjoyed it just a much as we all did.

      RIP Scotty.

    4. Re:Bad quote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doctor : I'm afraid you have Parkinson's and Alzheimer's

      Scotty : Phew ! At least I don't have Parkinson's !

    5. Re:Bad quote. by randallpowell · · Score: 0

      Lame. Neither disease should result in jokes. I know someone who died from Parkinson's. Show some respect for the ill.

    6. Re:Bad quote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, play it again, Sam.

  51. I cannot change.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the laws of life....

    Would give my left arm for time travel now...

    You will be missed Scotty!

  52. I really enjoy how.. by Marc2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ..one guy makes this comment at 12:39 and gets a "Score: 5, Funny", and another guy posts the same comment at 12:40 (with only 1 comment posted between them, if you look at the cid) and gets a "Score: 0, Redundant".

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    --- What
    1. Re:I really enjoy how.. by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      Its the exact same quote. It is therefore redundant. Thats the risk your run with posting stupid jokes and cliches. One man's funny is another man's redundant/offtopic/troll. I doubt this will crush the second poster's life. Live, learn, and move on.

    2. Re:I really enjoy how.. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Careful! you'll be modded "off-topic"!!!

  53. Transparent aluminum by bchernicoff · · Score: 1

    I heard he the left the formula for transparent aluminum in his will...

  54. Rest in Peace by weberress · · Score: 1

    Rest in Peace !

  55. You will be missed. by ac3boy · · Score: 1

    I guess he gave it all he had.

    You will be missed sir. My favorite character ever in the entire franchise.

    RIP.

  56. He will be missed by swestcott · · Score: 1

    Today, we say goodbye to one of our own. Scotty, you kept this ship running under impossible conditions. you were a good officer, and a better friend. We commit your body to the vast seas of space, where you may continue exploring for eternity.

    O, chì, chì mi na mòrbheanna,
    O, chì, chì mi na còrr-bheanna,
    O, chì, chì mi na coireachan,
    Chì mi na sgòran fo cheò.

    Chì mi gun dàil an t-àite 's an d'rugadh mi,
    Cuirear orm fàilte 's a' chànain a thuigeas mi,
    Gheibh mi ann aoigh agus gràdh 'nuair a ruigeam,
    Nach reicinn air tunnachan òir.

    Chì mi na coilltean, chì mi na doireachan,
    Chì mi na maghan bàna, as toraiche,
    Chì mi na féidh air làr nan coireachan
    Falaicht' ann an trusgan de cheò.

  57. he was a very compassionate person by tomlouie · · Score: 5, Informative

    I loved the scene in the documentary Trekkies where Doohan talks befriending a suicidal fan.

    I found this link which gave more info about that part of the documentary.

    http://www.treknation.com/interviews/roger_nygard. shtml

    Q: Trekkies like to hear anecdotes. Tell us of some funny incident during the production of the movie.

    A: Right in the middle of the most emotional moment of our interview with James Doohan the camera ran out of film, interrupting Mr. Doohan in the middle of his story about a suicide note he had received from a fan. He couldn't wait until the camera was reloaded because he was already late to be on stage. The convention security people said there would not be time for a second interview so it seemed like we would never find out what happened to the suicidal woman. We were determined to find out so we waited four hours until after Mr. Doohan spoke on stage and then signed several hundred autographs and then Denise asked him if he could kindly come back to finish his story. Despite being exhausted from the day's convention events, he graciously agreed, and he told us the rest of the story, which became the most touching moment in the film. I can't believe we almost didn't get that story.

    1. Re:he was a very compassionate person by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This wasn't just for the cameras. I was at a convention in Atlanta, Georgia back in my hard-core Trekkie days (I've mellowed out a bit...). Being a broke teenager, I could only afford a one-day pass, and they didn't schedule any autograph sessions for that day. During his Q&A session, I asked him if my buddy and I could have autographs since we wouldn't be able to see him during the other two days.

      He said of course we could, he didn't realize that they were selling one-day passes and thought everyone there would be there for two more days. Right there in the Q&A, he said that anyone who wouldn't have another chance to see him on one of the other two days could meet him in the hallway after the Q&A and get autographs.

      After the Q&A, he stayed late and a handful of people met him out in the hall while he signed autographs. I was very impressed that the whole room didn't go right then (kudos to the Trekkies!), but more than that, I was impressed that Jimmy Doohan went clearly above and beyond what he was obligated to do just for the sake of being a nice guy. Out in the hallway, he was extremely personable and it was obvious that he wasn't just going through the motions of getting a bunch of Trekkies (myself included) out of his hair, an impression I got from some of the other actors.

      Nowadays, I'm not so much a Star Trek fan, but one of my most prized possessions is still my autographed copy of Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise. Not because of the autograph, because I have lots of 'em from various people, but because of the memory of what a nice guy Jimmy Doohan was and how special it was that he took some time out of his schedule and his life just to be a nice guy to me, an anonymous guy he didn't know and would very likely never see again.

      And yes, of all of the Star Trek actors I've read about beyond their non-Trek lives, Jimmy Doohan is BY FAR the most interesting, courageous and noble one. Christ, the man was shot by Nazis six times with a machine gun in World War II while storming a beach! In my book, that makes him a bigger hero than even the fictional Captain Kirk.

    2. Re:he was a very compassionate person by Aadain2001 · · Score: 1

      I think this is a great and wish I could give you a +10 heartwarming score. I've never met him myself, but I've always heard him described as a very warm, friendly person. My heart goes out to his family and friends. A great man has left us today.

      --
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  58. Scotty beamed up by zymano · · Score: 1

    I enjoyed the original cast of Star Trek .

  59. Fairwell, James... by KoshClassic · · Score: 1

    Great actor who played a great character. The episode of TNG that featured Scotty was one of my favorites.

    Its too bad that, like physics, ya cannot change the laws of mortality.

    --
    Understanding is a three edged sword. - Ambassador Kosh Naranek, Babylon 5
    1. Re:Fairwell, James... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 1

      Great actor who played a great character. The episode of TNG that featured Scotty was one of my favorites.

      Indeed. He will be greatly missed.

      His character is the one that taught me to "multiple my repair estimates". ;-)

      --

      "Bah!" - Dogbert
  60. Oh Scotty by tornadothrasher · · Score: 1

    He's been beamed up this time

  61. Ah kinna tekkit anymorr, captin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah kinna tekkit anymorr, captin!

  62. RIP by dsands1 · · Score: 1

    "I have been and always shall be your friend."

    --
    "What is the answer?" (Silence) "In that case, what is the question?" --Gertrude Stein
  63. In a distant galaxy on the other side... by SirHailstone · · Score: 1

    James Doohan materializes in the transporter room and is asked to report directly to the bridge. Doohan goes to the bridge and sees Ricardo Montalban (Kahn) and Gene Rodenberry there. Kahn extends a hand and tells Scotty "Welcome Aboard." Initial panic sets in as Scotty spots Kahn on the bridge, but Gene tells everyone that everything is fine, Kahn is on our side and we're going boldly where no one has gone before.

    1. Re:In a distant galaxy on the other side... by Paleomacus · · Score: 1

      Guess we'll have to fix that eh?

      (just kidding)

    2. Re:In a distant galaxy on the other side... by SirHailstone · · Score: 1

      He Is?

      He sure has dropped out of sight. He was old when he did Fantasy Island and that was back in the late 70's/early 80's.

      My Bad (R)

    3. Re:In a distant galaxy on the other side... by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      not that far out of sight.... he just did Spy Kids 3D as the grandfather.... in his wheelchair. Guy might be old, but hes still kicking

      --

      "Slashdot, where telling the truth is overrated but lying is insightful."

  64. In The Words of a Coworker by Comatose51 · · Score: 1

    "Well, looks like Scotty got beamed up... at least I hope he did."

    --
    EvilCON - Made Famous by /.
  65. A fitting day for his passing by dankney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's fitting that he passed away on the anniversary of the Apollo landings.

    1. Re:A fitting day for his passing by fm6 · · Score: 1

      The what?

    2. Re:A fitting day for his passing by Vexler · · Score: 1

      On that note, it is also fitting to bid him farewell with a scene from Star Trek II, just after the surprise attack by Khan:

      Peter Preston: "Is the word given, Admiral?"
      Admiral Kirk: "The word is given: Warp speed."
      Peter Preston: "Aye."

      Godspeed, Mr. Doohan.

    3. Re:A fitting day for his passing by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

      and the anniversary of Viking 1 that landed on Mars July 20th, 1976, too.

      --
      "Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
    4. Re:A fitting day for his passing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's fitting that he passed away on the anniversary of the Apollo landings.
      This comparison either grossly overstates the importance of Star Trek, or it diminishes the Apollo program.

      You do realize that Scotty was not a real astronaut, right?

    5. Re:A fitting day for his passing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting that "Today is a good day to die" ?

    6. Re:A fitting day for his passing by StarsAreAlsoFire · · Score: 1

      But he, through his character, probably influenced more children (now adults) into careers in engineering than any other single human alive. I don't believe it is a slam on Apollo at all.

    7. Re:A fitting day for his passing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's fitting that he passed away on the anniversary of the Apollo landings.
      When Scotty met Apollo, they didn't get on particularly well.

  66. Favorite line by McSnickered · · Score: 1

    Humpback ... people?

    --
    They call me the working man. I guess that's what I am.
  67. ~sniffle~ by dwntwnboi · · Score: 1

    rest in peace. we all will miss you.

  68. A Very Charismatic by Elaarni · · Score: 1

    Met him at a convention once in Vancouver, was a lot of fun to talk with, and really responsive to the audience. Was very charismatic and held everyones attention throughout. You will be missed Jimmy. Good luck in your final voyage.

  69. Out of respect by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm observing a minute of scottish accent

    1. Re:Out of respect by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      as well as a canadian's ascent?

      --
      "I only speak the truth"
      Karma: null(Mostly affected by an unassigned variable)
  70. Famous Quote for overclockers and tweakers by vchoy · · Score: 2, Funny

    "She's running at 120% Captain..."
    "Ach! If I give 'er any more she'll blow, Captain!"


    Thanks for giving us hardcore overclockers and tweakers a such a great quote to remember you by.

    We should all reply:
    "She'll be fine Scotty..." *wink*

    RIP mate.

  71. Scotty was a decent man. by HuffMeister · · Score: 1

    In some of the fan films like Trekkies, I think I remember him recounting a story about a fan who told him she was going to commit suicide. So, he told her, "I want to see you at the next convention on such and such a date."

    And so she went. At that convention he said, "I want to see you at the next convention on such and such a date."

    And so she went to that one, too. Eventually, by going to Star Trek conventions, as uber-nerdy as it sounds, she was able to make it through her depression and recover.

    We need more people like James Doohan in the world.

  72. We can'ne change the laws of physics :( by Zerbey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A great actor who will be missed by all. So sad that such an extrodinary human suffered the indignity of dying through Alzheimers.

    I recommend all Slashdotters honour his memory by donating to the Alzheimer's Association so we can find a cure for this disease.

    1. Re:We can'ne change the laws of physics :( by stinerman · · Score: 1

      Those of us who can't part with as much cash as we'd like can certainly help out by donating spare cycles to Folding@Home. Protein folding simulations have applications in helping cure Alzheimer's as well as cystic fibrosis and mad cow disease.

    2. Re:We can'ne change the laws of physics :( by breon.halling · · Score: 1

      He was also suffering from Parkinson's Disease.

      Donate to the Parkinson's Society.

      Fare thee well, Mr. Doohan. And Godspeed.

      --
      "Yeah, well, Dracula called and he's coming over tonight for you and I said okay."
    3. Re:We can'ne change the laws of physics :( by WWE-TicK · · Score: 1

      He also lost a finger during WWII.

      Donate to the National Amputation Organization.

    4. Re:We can'ne change the laws of physics :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Those of us who can't part with as much cash as we'd like can certainly help out by donating spare cycles to Folding@Home [stanford.edu]. Protein folding simulations have applications in helping cure Alzheimer's as well as cystic fibrosis and mad cow disease.

      Cheap cunt.
    5. Re:We can'ne change the laws of physics :( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can afford a computer, the power to run it, the internet connection its using 24x7 but not a couple of bucks for an important charity?

  73. Not Dead by RealityMogul · · Score: 1

    He's not dead, he's simply stuck in the transporter buffer of his disabled ship sitting on a Dyson sphere awaiting to be rescued.

  74. Goodbye James by partowel · · Score: 1

    Later James Doohan.

    Best engineer in startrek...ever. :)

  75. Couldn't use the buffer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I take it he couldn't just use the transporter buffer to survive until cures were found?

  76. Sad news... James Doohan, dead at 85 by Lethyos · · Score: 1, Funny

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Sci Fi actor James Doohan, affectionately known as "Scotty", was found dead in his NC-1701 quarters this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly a Federation icon.

    --
    Why bother.
    1. Re:Sad news... James Doohan, dead at 85 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Did you read this? from the don't-make-the-joke-just-don't-do-it dept.

      I think that was a reference to the obligatory post/joke that you made.

    2. Re:Sad news... James Doohan, dead at 85 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why else do you think he did it? Telling Slashbots not to do something is the same as ordering them to something.

  77. Good Luck, Mr. Scott. by ChaoticCoyote · · Score: 1

    Scotty didn't inspire me to become an engineer, but he represented my heritage in space. My father is an engineer, as are his brothers; the family line goes back to blacksmiths.

    McCoy was passion, Kirk was adevnturous spirit (and bad acting, and skirt chasing... ;), Spock was logic -- and Scotty provided a sense of humor. Unlike the modern Trek series, he drank real alcohol, had real brawls in real bars, and loved his avocation.

    Beyond his character, Doohan was a kindly and humorous man who treated his fans well. I met him a couple of times at Trek conventions in my youth. He was a solid veteran of World War II.

    I hope he is happy, wherever the stars take him.

  78. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  79. He could not change the laws of physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Star Trekking across the universe...always going forward cause we can't find reverse.

  80. There goes a good man by ESR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had breakfast with Jimmy Doohan once. This was years before I was a famous geek, so I doubt he remembered it long. But I remember him -- a very warm, human, unassuming person. He had the quiet self-confidence of a man who's seen it all, done most of it, lived an upright life, and has nothing left to prove to anybody. The contrast with the brittle personalities and huge fragile egos of some other Trek stars I've met was very noticeable.

    I'll miss you, Jimmy.

    --
    >>esr>>
    1. Re:There goes a good man by brilinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those are the kind of people, though, who I think do make the best actors - it is when you have seen it all and done a lot that you can better act in something which we may never see or experience - being an engineer on a star cruiser. But it is rare to find actors today *cough*Shatner*cough* who are upright and unassuming. Even though he has not been able to act in a while, he, and other actors like him, will be sorely missed.

    2. Re:There goes a good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had breakfast with Jimmy Doohan once. This was years before I was a famous geek, so I doubt he remembered it long.

      I doubt he'd remember it long even after you were a famous geek.

      *ducks bullets*

    3. Re:There goes a good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      This was years before I was a famous geek, so I doubt he remembered it long.

      Between ESR and William Shatner, who has the bigger ego?

      A question we leave for philosophers to debate for decades to come.

    4. Re:There goes a good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your forgot, "famous"

    5. Re:There goes a good man by Koatdus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I met him briefly once at an off-airport ticket counter in Bellevue WA. I was waiting for my tickets to print, looked over and saw Scotty standing next to me! I shook his hand and told him that I enjoyed his Scotty character.

      There were several "hard core" trekies there. Very geeky, fawning on him, commenting about this or that episode, trying to make tribble jokes, and generally making a nusince of themselves. All the while he just wanted to buy his tickets.

      I remember that he was humble, polite and very patient each and every one of them. He took the time to shake each of their hands and listen to their stories. Very classy.

      --
      Every wrong attempt discarded is a step forward - T. Edison
    6. Re:There goes a good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe, true enough. Or infamous :)

    7. Re:There goes a good man by Pop69 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Met him at an exhibition in Edinburgh, just a normal bloke who happened to be a famous actor with plenty of time for his many fans.

      Not a bad fake Scots accent in amongst the real Scots either.

    8. Re:There goes a good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      This was years before I was a famous geek...
      ...brittle personalities and huge fragile egos

      No comment.

    9. Re:There goes a good man by aggressivepedestrian · · Score: 1
      Jeez, give the man a break. Is it not a fact that he IS a famous geek?

      Now, if he has said "years before I was the best software engineer on the planet" then you would have a point.

    10. Re:There goes a good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this time, I thought ESR was something that will screw up a perfectly good capacitor.

    11. Re:There goes a good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Jeez, give the man a break. Is it not a fact that he IS a famous geek?

      No one with a normal ego would phrase it that way. You'd say something like "before I became well known," or even "somewhat well known." ESR is not famous. I'll bet not one in 5,000 computer owners knows who he is. And I'll bet Doohan never knew.

    12. Re:There goes a good man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ESR wrote "before I was a famous geek".


      I hate to break it to you, Eric. I really hate to break it to you. But you're not famous. I didn't know who you were until I asked the guy in the cubicle next to me. He then googled you. He found you. Then we read most of the remarks about you. It would appear that the emotion that is most often associated with you by people who know you is the emotion of distaste. "ESR is a pompous ass" would summarize it. Famous? I don't think so.

  81. Thanks for the fun childhood memories by NanoGradStudent · · Score: 1

    ...and I'm only in my early 20s! (thanks to late night re-runs on CBC)

    Star Trek has been a major influence in my life, and will always be a fond part of my childhood memories. RIP, Jimmy /oblig
    Beam him up!

    --
    Just a little guy, y'know?
  82. yeah i know it's lame by blakjack · · Score: 1

    It looks like Scotty got beamed up one final time.

  83. We will miss Scotty... by tOaOMiB · · Score: 1

    ...However, he has already had his name besmirched by Welshy.

  84. Not So Bad quote. by kzinti · · Score: 3, Informative

    LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- James Doohan, the burly chief engineer of the Starship Enterprise in the original "Star Trek" TV series and motion pictures who responded to the apocryphal command "Beam me up, Scotty," died early Wednesday.

    1. Re:Not So Bad quote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truly a geek icon.

    2. Re:Not So Bad quote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, that lookup is non-canonical.

    3. Re:Not So Bad quote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They eventually put the line into one of the movies.

  85. Warp Speed Scotty by T3kno · · Score: 1
    ;(

    /me is going to pour some 21 year old Glenlivet on the ground tonight.
    --
    (B) + (D) + (B) + (D) = (K) + (&)
    1. Re:Warp Speed Scotty by schon · · Score: 4, Funny

      /me is going to pour some 21 year old Glenlivet on the ground tonight.

      Me too.

      But I'm gonna drink it first. :o)

  86. Almost enough said by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Undiscovered Country
    from whose bourn no traveller returns

    -- William Shakespeare

    1. Re:Almost enough said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is better in the original Klingon.

  87. My favorite quotes (from the movies) by mbrewthx · · Score: 1

    Scotty: "I had wee bit of shore leave, but the Dr fixed me up just fine."

    Scotty: "I know this ship like the back hand" (or something to that affect) turns around and the SMACK!!!!

    Scotty: "Computer, Computer"

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    1. Re:My favorite quotes (from the movies) by NanoGradStudent · · Score: 1

      Scotty: "Computer, Computer"

      That last one was one of my favorite scenes from The Voyage Home. For those less in the know:

      Setting: 20th century earth, inside a research lab with Scotty seated at a Mac and with Spock(?) and scientist behind him.

      Scotty: (picks up the mouse) "Computer."

      Nothing happens

      Scotty: Computer."

      Scotty: (looks down at the keyboard) "Ah, a tactile interface. How quaint."

      --
      Just a little guy, y'know?
  88. The word is given, Mr Scott by pentalive · · Score: 1

    The word is given, Mr Scott, Warp Speed.

  89. obligatory Family Guy by tscheez · · Score: 0

    "Beam me up, God"

    --
    Supplies!
  90. I guess.. by ciupman · · Score: 1

    ... someOne beamed him up! (i'm also going to hell for this)

    fortunately scotty will never die.. ;)

    --
    I fuse with Mercer every single day...
  91. Obligatory Star Trek IV quote by Matarick · · Score: 1

    Scotty: Computer... Computer... Hello computer
    He brings a smile to my heart

  92. Yup Ricardo still lives... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the "Dead or Alive" website, he is still alive.

  93. RIP :( by dargon · · Score: 1

    Second star to the right...and straight on 'til morning.

  94. oblig. insensitive quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I cannae take it anymore!"

  95. Wheres CleverNickName? by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 1

    aka Will Wheaton.. we'd appreciate any words or insight you can shed on this great man that you may have...

    --
    Don't anthropomorphize computers: they hate that.
    1. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by cecille · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is a post on his website - http://www.wilwheaton.net/

      --
      ...no two people are not on fire.
    2. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Wil Wheaton have that great man?

    3. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by D'Sphitz · · Score: 0, Troll

      Why? They were on different series decades apart, who cares what he thinks any more than what Rosie O'Donnel thinks?

      Oh, I see you're just star struck because *gasp* Wil Wheaton occasionally posts here. I can hardly contain myself.

    4. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 1
      Different series decades apart still puts him a lot closer than different genre/show alltogether and decades apart as Rosie O'Donnel is.. or better yet no series and decades apart as all the other /.ers out there, but you'll read their posts about him...

      Rosie, if you're on /., I may be interested in what you have to say as well, because I'm smitten with starstruckness with you as well.

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      Don't anthropomorphize computers: they hate that.
    5. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by ericspinder · · Score: 1
      Why? They were on different series decades apart, who cares what he thinks any more than what Rosie O'Donnel thinks?
      Duh, celebrity opinions are always more important.

      AKA, more than anyone else who posts here, Wil could understand how a role on a Star Trek show can affect someone's life. Like James Doohan was, he is living a post-Trek life, forever closely identified as a character, which he played for just a few years. What's worse for him is that while most people *loved* Scottie, Wil's character didn't connect as well. I've never read much of his writings, but I'd guess that he was more than pleased when Jar Jar came along, and gave the highly critical Sci-Fi community a more hated, misconceived character to complain about.

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    6. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by Raven17 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Cuz Rosie Odonnel is a stupid fucking cow...

    7. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by mcguirez · · Score: 1

      Sorry, Wil's still got some geek cred for me but he's getting a little too deep into the Texas poker stuff.

      My god, one of his entries was even about sitting outside in Vegas, during daylight! He'll lose that hard earned pallor for sure.

      --
      When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras
    8. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by tloh · · Score: 1

      In the next generation episode "Relics", James Doohan reprised his role as Scotty on the Enterprise D. They didn't share any scenes together, but Wil Wheaton has fond memories of meeting the fellow on the set. An NPR story on Mr. Doohan's passing has a short inteview with Wil where he recollects geeking out on the set like a fanboy at a convention while his hero is trying to do his scenes as an actor.

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    9. Re:Wheres CleverNickName? by tloh · · Score: 2, Informative
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  96. And to think.... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 1

    He was always thought of as the larger member of the series, yet lived to 85. Must have been large by old standards and not current standards... Anyways, at least he lived a very long and successful life. RIP indeed.

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  97. Damn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loved it when he had the bridge.

    Kirk was sometimes talking too much.

  98. The Word is Given by ultrafastneal · · Score: 0

    RIP man. Your character continues to inspire me to make the impossible possible

  99. Engineer by sgtsilver · · Score: 1

    NCSU School of Engineering -- Why would you want to be an engineer? .. Well.. Scotty was an engineer! RIP Scotty.

  100. Scotty will be missed. by davidmcg · · Score: 1

    A much loved member of the Starship Enterprise is no longer with us. Seems to be the beginning of the end of an era to me. James Doohan was probably my favourite actor from Star Trek. I remember when I was young, I used to ridicule his very fake sounding Scottish accent :) Scotty in an imaginary episode of Star Trek TOS As Scotty looks down at the now dead Ensign, he looks at Kirk, takes a swig of his Tennents Super and says. 'Ach Aye the noo, he's deid Jimmy' RIP!

  101. I Beam by Himring · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I know this ship like the back of me hand...."

    [bangs head on I-beam and falls down]

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  102. Burly? by biggerboy · · Score: 0

    CNN:

    "James Doohan, the burly chief engineer of the Starship Enterprise..."

    He was burly in the movies, but I don't think he was burly in the series, was he?

    1. Re:Burly? by unitron · · Score: 1
      "He was burly in the movies, but I don't think he was burly in the series, was he?"

      Not especially, no. And in those low budget original series outfits it would have shown.

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  103. What is it... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...with Canadians imitating Scotsmen in sci-fi. Dr. Beckett on SG Atlantis is also doing the same. Just seemed like a strange coincidence. It has some charm though, would be boring if everyone spoke plain American-English.

    Kjella

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    1. Re:What is it... by Ubergrendle · · Score: 4, Informative

      We have a province called "Nova Scotia" -- New Scotland. A large number of immigrants to Canada in the 18th century were Scots and it permeates many aspects of Canadian culture. Look at our early Prime Ministers... "MacDonald", "MacKenzie", etc.

      Sir Sanford Flemming -- world famous Scottish engineer, Scottish descent. Probably the inspiration for Scotty given Doohan's Canadian origins.

      Mike Meyers is known to do a scottish accent or two...

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    2. Re:What is it... by RexRhino · · Score: 1

      It is not a coincidence at all. English speaking Canada was colonized by Scotsmen like Archibald MacDonald, and then there was years of very heavy immigration from Scotland. Canada is heavily influenced by Scot culture.

    3. Re:What is it... by otis+wildflower · · Score: 1

      Sir Sanford Flemming -- world famous Scottish engineer, Scottish descent.

      Or James Watt perhaps?

    4. Re:What is it... by Ubergrendle · · Score: 1

      Certainly a possibility. Lots of Scottish engineers. I referenced Sanford Flemming though since both Flemming and Doohan were Canadian...Flemming was an expat Scot, who contributed greatly to the Canadian Pacific Railway (among other things). It would have been a more immediate example to Doohan, especially in the 1960s.

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    5. Re:What is it... by Patersmith · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's a fake accent. In the "behind the scenes" specials he still speaks with a thick accent. I could still be wrong, but...

      from TV.com:

      Birthplace: Paisley, Scotland (Raised in Canada)

      Height 5' 10" (1.78 m) The sixth of seven children, Paul's family emigrated to Canada from Paisley, Scotland when he was just 2 years old. His family spent time in Ireland before moving to Canada and returned to Paisley when Paul was 11 for 3 and a half years. Paul studied both education (major) and theatre (minor) at University, and also got involved in various sports including...

    6. Re:What is it... by Lurker+McLurker · · Score: 1

      Actually, Paul McGillion who plays Dr. Beckett in Stargate Atlantis is a Scot. Although he grew up in Canada (he was 2 years old when his family moved there), he lived back over here in his teens. So, when it was decided to make the Atlantis cast more diverse, McGillion chose to make his character Scottish.

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  104. Full text of another article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Beam Me Up Scotty of 'Star Trek' Dead at 85
    Wednesday, July 20, 2005

    LOS ANGELES James Doohan (search), the burly chief engineer of the Starship Enterprise in the original "Star (search) Trek" TV series and motion pictures who responded to the command "Beam me up, Scotty," died early Wednesday. He was 85.

    Doohan died at 5:30 a.m. at his Redmond, Wash., home with his wife of 28 years, Wende, at his side, Los Angeles agent and longtime friend Steve Stevens said. The cause of death was pneumonia and Alzheimer's disease, he said.

    The Canadian-born Doohan was enjoying a busy career as a character actor when he auditioned for a role as an engineer in a new space adventure on NBC in 1966. A master of dialects from his early years in radio, he tried seven different accents.

    "The producers asked me which one I preferred," Doohan recalled 30 years later. "I believed the Scot voice was the most commanding. So I told them, 'If this character is going to be an engineer, you'd better make him a Scotsman."'

    The series, which starred William Shatner (search) as Capt. James T. Kirk and Leonard Nimoy (search) as the enigmatic Mr. Spock, attracted an enthusiastic following of science fiction fans, especially among teenagers and children, but not enough ratings power. NBC canceled it after three seasons.

    When the series ended in 1969, Doohan found himself typecast as Montgomery Scott, the canny engineer with a burr in his voice. In 1973, he complained to his dentist, who advised him: "Jimmy, you're going to be Scotty long after you're dead. If I were you, I'd go with the flow."

    "I took his advice," said Doohan, "and since then everything's been just lovely."

    "Star Trek" continued in syndicated TV both in the United States and abroad, and its following grew larger and more dedicated. In his later years, Doohan attended 40 "Trekkie" gatherings around the country and lectured at colleges.

    The huge success of George Lucas's "Star Wars (search)" in 1977 prompted Paramount Pictures, which had produced "Star Trek" for TV, to plan a movie based on the series. The studio brought back the TV cast and hired a topflight director, Robert Wise. "Star Trek -- The Motion Picture" was successful enough to spawn five sequels.

    The powerfully built Doohan, a veteran of D-Day in Normandy, spoke frankly in 1998 about his employer, Paramount, and his TV commander:

    "I started out in the series at basic minimum -- plus 10 percent for my agent. That was added a little bit in the second year. When we finally got to our third year, Paramount told us we'd get second-year pay! That's how much they loved us."

    He accused Shatner of hogging the camera, adding: "I like Captain Kirk, but I sure don't like Bill. He's so insecure that all he can think about is himself."

    James Montgomery Doohan was born March 3, 1920, in Vancouver, British Columbia, youngest of four children of William Doohan, a pharmacist, veterinarian and dentist, and his wife Sarah. As he wrote in his autobiography, "Beam Me Up, Scotty," his father was a drunk who made life miserable for his wife and children.

    At 19, James escaped the turmoil at home by joining the Canadian army, becoming a lieutenant in artillery. He was among the Canadian forces that landed on Juno Beach on D-Day. "The sea was rough," he recalled. "We were more afraid of drowning than the Germans."

    The Canadians crossed a minefield laid for tanks; the soldiers weren't heavy enough to detonate the bombs. At 11:30 that night, he was machine-gunned, taking six hits: one that took off his middle right finger (he managed to hide the missing finger on the screen), four in his leg and one in the chest. Fortunately the chest bullet was stopped by his silver cigarette case.

    After the war Doohan on a whim enrolled in a drama class in Toronto. He showed promise and won a two-year scholarship to New York's famed Neighborhood Playhouse, where fellow students included Leslie Nielsen, Tony Randall and Richard Boone.

  105. More about his war injuries. by CyricZ · · Score: 1, Interesting

    During World War II, he participated in the invasion of Juno Beach on D-Day as a captain with the Royal Canadian Artillery. At 11:30 that night, he was machine-gunned, taking six hits: one that took off his middle right finger (he managed to hide the missing finger on screen), four in his leg and one in the chest. The chest bullet was stopped by his silver cigarette case. - Wikipedia

    Does anyone know if he later on became politically active against warfare? What was his stance on such things as the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, and earlier than that, Vietnam?

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    1. Re:More about his war injuries. by monkeydo · · Score: 1

      Why?

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    2. Re:More about his war injuries. by CyricZ · · Score: 1

      I respect the opinions of somebody who has actually been involved in serious conflict, such as Mr. Doohan, over those of people who have not.

      Indeed, given the severity of his injuries his opinions have greater weight than those of people today who today advocate war (ie. many American and British politicians) yet never themselves participated in any conflict, let alone suffered the loss of limb or other injury.

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    3. Re:More about his war injuries. by monkeydo · · Score: 1

      But apparantly, you only value the opinions of people who are against warfare. This is clear from the phrasing of your original question. You have an agenda that you seek to satisfy. You aren't doing a research project on how veterans feel about making war to solve the problems of the world. You've already reached your conclusion, and you seek people you can quote to bolster your position. Why not give John Kerry a call, he can probably help you out with some names.

      BTW, there are plenty of WWII, Korea and Vietnam vets in the US Congress.

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    4. Re:More about his war injuries. by BoneFlower · · Score: 1

      In that case, what about the opinions of Senator John McCain, who was shot down, captured, and abused as a POW for several years, and is currently a strong supporter of the Iraq war?

      You seem to assume those who were fucked in a previous war would be against this one, but that isn't always the case.

    5. Re:More about his war injuries. by kevcol · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know if he later on became politically active against warfare?

      [sarcasm]Oh yes, later on in life he was known to have given many lectures on how he wished that he had come ashore on Juno beach loaded with carnations and roses instead of weapons, and that it would have made a much greater impact on the war effort.[/sarcasm]

    6. Re:More about his war injuries. by darkonc · · Score: 1

      Politicians will often say whatever looks like it will get them the most votes/money/power in the moment. Personal preferences and morals are often meaningless.

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    7. Re:More about his war injuries. by kevcol · · Score: 1

      McCain has also been very critical of the way it has been handled in that we did not have nearly enough forces to provide the security needed after the previous government fell, and he's made no bones about that many times. It's not like he is lock-step with the adminstration over everything, just to note.

      (From one who wished very much that McCain hadn't been unfairly tarred by Bush's team in the 2000 primaries and gone to victory instead.)

    8. Re:More about his war injuries. by BoneFlower · · Score: 1

      I wish he had won too. There are a lot of things I don't agree with him on, but he's got integrity, one of the rarest qualities in politics. The Nightline broadcast of the names and faces of the fallen, most war supporters protested it to anyone that would listen, and the pressure even got it preempted on a few stations. But McCain came out in support of it. He really believes the war is worth the cost in money and lives, and if its really worth the cost- why hide from it? I might not agree, but I can respect that he has the courage to stand up for his convictions like that.

  106. Warp Speed, Mr. Scott... by KennyP · · Score: 1

    ... on your journey to Eternity.

    You will be missed. Thanks for the inspiration!

    Visualize Whirled P.'s

  107. Aye, by Ginnungagap42 · · Score: 1

    The haggis is in the fire for sure...

    1. Re:Aye, by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 1

      Very funny.....

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  108. Rest in Peace. by Tore+S+B · · Score: 1

    James Doohan, thank you for Star Trek. Thank you for Scotty, an inspiration for generations of hackers worldwide.

    Rest in peace.

    And my sincerest condolances to family and friends.

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  109. Scotty to God... by DarrinWest · · Score: 1

    "[My] energizer is bypassed like a christmas tree, so don't give me any bumps."

    "Captain, [I] cann'a take anymore!"

  110. RIP Scotty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least he couldn't remember that he had parkinsons.

  111. Farewell Mr. Doohan... by emtboy9 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I met him once, ages ago, at a ST convention that he was attending as guest of honor. Mr. Doohan was simply the nicest celebrity I have ever met in any venue. He was always my favorite charater in the Star Trek Universe, and will always be dear in my heart.

    Hope they play Amazing Grace for him on the pipes... it would be fitting.

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  112. This story is a fake!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He isn't dead dammit!

    I watch TOS right now and he kicks ass like he'll always do!

  113. Oh, and by the way.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Scotty, the shuttle Discovery is having a problem with one of it's liquid hydrogen sensors... do you think you could stop by and fix it for us?

    1. Re:Oh, and by the way.... by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      Do you think its a coincidence that they still can't figure out whats wrong with it?

  114. God Beamed you up, Scotty! by X-Rayden · · Score: 1

    sad sad news for Trekkies, my condoleances to the familly, friend and all the Trekkies around the world. Hope they will burry him with the flag of the united federation of planets...

  115. He's not really dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Sure.. he might *seem* dead, but the reality is that he created a loop in the transporter pattern buffer.

    He'll be in stasis for centuries.

  116. Only slashdotter? by germanStefan · · Score: 1

    Am I the only slashdotter who didn't watch star trek?

    1. Re:Only slashdotter? by Rialtus · · Score: 1

      Maybe not only, but I would hazard a guess to say you in the minority.

    2. Re:Only slashdotter? by Sonri · · Score: 1

      Unless you count those that were not born or too young when the original was in first run.

  117. My favorite: "It's... it's green." by RetiredMidn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...and I saw the (contraction-less, of course) repeat coming a mile away when Scotty met Data in Ten Forward on TNG.

  118. Fav Quotes by member57 · · Score: 0

    "yeah, and If my Grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon" "Up your shaft"

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  119. sad... by arkanoid · · Score: 1

    Farewell jimmy, you'll be missed.

  120. Exactly 36 years ..... by Gryphn · · Score: 1

    since Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the Moon.

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  121. Kirk is Dutch for 'Church' by crovira · · Score: 1

    There's nothing Scottish about it.

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    1. Re:Kirk is Dutch for 'Church' by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 1

      No it isn't. Kerk is Dutch for Church, while Kirch is German for Church.

    2. Re:Kirk is Dutch for 'Church' by jcr · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's nothing Scottish about it.

      Guess again. It's "Kirk" in Scots Gaelic.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:Kirk is Dutch for 'Church' by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Kirche

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    4. Re:Kirk is Dutch for 'Church' by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Amazingly, though, none of the Star Trek people had bad teeth... something to ponder.

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  122. Thanks by Ed+Almos · · Score: 1

    Farewell sir and thanks from one engineer to another.

    Ed Almos
    Budapest, Hungary

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  123. Yahoo NewsConfirms it ... James Doohan, dead at 85 by mnemonic_ · · Score: 0

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Sci Fi actor James Doohan was found dead in his Washington home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

  124. Scotty by Traa · · Score: 1

    "Very funny Scotty, now BEAM DOWN MY CLOTHES!"

    We will mis you!

  125. Pattern Buffer by spaztech · · Score: 0

    Scotty has stored his signal in a teleportation pattern buffer to be revived later.

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  126. Poor Bastard by catdevnull · · Score: 1

    It's a shame he's only remembered for one role. IMDB lists all of his work.

    It looks like he started his acting career with a stint on a little show called "Space Command."

    I guess he was a victim of Space Scotsman type casting.

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  127. appropriate care includes dad. by glrotate · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This girl will grow up without a father. And not because he got killed in a car wreck or hit by lightning, but because dad decided to have a kid knowing he wasn't long for the world. In a way it's sort of premeditated child abandonment.

    1. Re:appropriate care includes dad. by schon · · Score: 1

      This girl will grow up without a father.

      Which isn't the worst thing in the world. And yes, I know from experience. How about you?

      Before you judge the outcome of this, why don't you wait 15 years and ask his daughter whether or not she'd rather not have been born at all?

    2. Re:appropriate care includes dad. by skarth · · Score: 1

      This girl will grow up without a father. And not because he got killed in a car wreck or hit by lightning, but because dad decided to have a kid knowing he wasn't long for the world. In a way it's sort of premeditated child abandonment.

      And so you would like to pass laws requiring forced sterilization of people over a certain age? Bravo.

    3. Re:appropriate care includes dad. by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What makes you think they planned on the child? From other comments, it sounds like mom could've been old enough for him/her to be unexpected. Regardless your feelings on abortion, would you suggest that they abort rather than raise a miracle baby just because there's a chance dad might not be around much longer?

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    4. Re:appropriate care includes dad. by Kombat · · Score: 1

      This girl will grow up without a father.

      Which isn't the worst thing in the world.


      It's not the best thing, either. Lots of people grow up without one parent or the other, and turn out OK. But statistically, they're more likely to have problems. Most of the time, we can't avoid this situation. People die unexpectedly or fall out of love. But in this case, it could have been avoided, but for whatever selfish reason, they decided to have a kid they knew would be fatherless soon, anyway. That's irresponsible.

      Before you judge the outcome of this, why don't you wait 15 years and ask his daughter whether or not she'd rather not have been born at all?

      That's an utterly nonsensical question, because a person who never existed doesn't know they don't exist. A person who exists cannot compare said existence to what they would have "felt" if they hadn't existed, because people who don't exist don't feel anything. They simply don't exist.

      But enough existentialism for today.

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    5. Re:appropriate care includes dad. by jjr1 · · Score: 1

      Who the hell gave Robert K. Graham a slashdot login. http://slate.msn.com/id/100331/

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    6. Re:appropriate care includes dad. by schon · · Score: 1

      That's an utterly nonsensical question

      No, it's not. It's only nonsensical because you want it to be (which, I assume, is because you don't have a good retort which backs up your position.)

      a person who never existed doesn't know they don't exist

      Which is beside the point. I didn't ask him to ask someone who didn't exist - I told him to ask someone who *DOES* exist. You do realize that you *can* ask someone who exists whether or not they'd be happier if they were never born, right? And they can answer?

    7. Re:appropriate care includes dad. by Kombat · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. It's only nonsensical because you want it to be (which, I assume, is because you don't have a good retort which backs up your position.)

      But I did have a rational retort. The fact is that people who don't exist don't know they don't exist. You can't ask someone to compare existing and not existing, because "not existing" isn't a state in which they'd have sentience.

      You do realize that you *can* ask someone who exists whether or not they'd be happier if they were never born, right? And they can answer?

      No, they cannot. It is an invalid question. Asking whether or not they'd be "happier" if they didn't exist implies that they would be capable of sentient thought if they didn't exist. Which they would not be. So there can be no comparison.

      It's like suggesting we ask the 30 million fetuses that have been aborted in the US since the 70's whether they'd rather have been born. You can't. Because they never existed. They feel/felt no pain, because they never existed. They don't "regret" not living, because they were never alive. You can't sympathize with them any more than you can sympathize with a seed that didn't germinate, or a baby that wasn't conceived because the woman menstruated instead of having sex.

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    8. Re:appropriate care includes dad. by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      To me it's a legitimate question about something that didn't happen. Since one can perfectly envision the proposed situation (not to exist), one can answer, and some people might answer "I'd rather not have existed". It's not possible to ask the same question to somebody who doesn't exist, but that is a different matter.

      You can ask a guy, for example, if he would like to have been born in another country. You do not need to ask somebody in that other country if he likes to have been born there: his answer could well be irrelevant to the first guy even if he knew it.

      Anyway I just dropped in to say I liked "Scotty" and it's nice to know he was a good man IRL too.

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  128. Eulogy by revery · · Score: 1

    "How can we honour the memory, of a man like James Doohan . Well, he was governed by the laws of Physics, as are all living things. It is a scientific fact, that hearts and clocks slow down as they approach the speed of light, the point at which matter is converted into energy. Dr. Hanlin's heart approached that speed on Friday evening at 7:57, according to the coroner, converting his matter to energy, into pure white light. Though he is no longer with us, he is all around us."

    - from an episode of 3rd Rock from the Sun

  129. So long by helioquake · · Score: 1

    and farewell, James.

  130. July 20, 2005 by rczik · · Score: 1

    Thirty six years to the day after the first manned lunar landing.

    One small step for man...

    Rest well Jimmy.

    r

  131. Green by dacarr · · Score: 1

    Back at Anime Central 1999, a friend and I got our hands on an empty bottle of green soju, which as near as I can tell is a Korean variant on vodka - this is made with sweet potatoes, for one. But the significance of this is that, aside from the Korean characters, it said very prominently on the label plastered upon the green bottle, in nice, large friendly letters, the word "Green". Also back at this time, a mutual friend of ours was actively going to a Trek con in Pasadena.

    The motive? We wanted to see if we could get Doohan's (and, perhaps, Brent Spiner's) autographs on the bottle. Imagine the novelty of being able to get Jimmy to comment on the bottle.

    "It is green!"

    Alas, we must resort to Mr. Spiner, who rehashed the gag in the TNG where Scotty appeared. Here is hoping.

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  132. Apply that in Niger and there'd be nobody. by crovira · · Score: 1

    Fact is that people who have children aren't in the least bit rational when the time comes to do it.

    Its not a 'decision' for most of the creatures living on this over-populated planet.

    You talk like somebody who's never had a child (who would quickly teach you the breadth and scope of irrationality [and frustration {and sillyness.}])

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    1. Re:Apply that in Niger and there'd be nobody. by Kombat · · Score: 1

      Apply that in Niger and there'd be nobody.

      Niger, eh? Congratulations, you read cnn.com today. You can clearly speak authoritatively on this topic.

      Its not a 'decision' for most of the creatures living on this over-populated planet.

      Bullshit. People choose to have kids. They choose to have sex. They choose not to use protection. And then when they get pregnant, they choose not to have an abortion.

      My wife and I are 29. We don't want kids. And guess what? We don't have any. No "accidents" or "mistakes," we simply chose not to have any, and take the simple steps to prevent it. People who bring children into a world in which they can't care for them are irresponsible.

      Preventative measures are available to people in poverty-ravaged regions of Africa, but they choose not to use them. Whether it's due to culture, family pressures, fear, stigma, or whatever, they instead make the CHOICE to bring a child into a world in which they will surely die.

      And I'm supposed to shed a tear and open up my wallet? Send condoms, not cash.

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    2. Re:Apply that in Niger and there'd be nobody. by schon · · Score: 1

      when they get pregnant, they choose not to have an abortion

      I hope that you remember this post when your birth control fails and your wife becomes pregnant.

      My wife has had an abortion (before we met) - it nearly destroyed her. It's not something I would wish on *anybody*. Not a day goes by that she doesn't regret it.

      Abortion is *NOT* a simple matter, and is *NOT* to be taken lightly - the fact that you do makes me believe that it's a good thing you don't want children; it would be a crime to pass your beliefs down to someone.

    3. Re:Apply that in Niger and there'd be nobody. by Kombat · · Score: 1

      Some temporary suffering of the mother is preferable to a lifetime of suffering of an unwanted child, in my opinion.

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    4. Re:Apply that in Niger and there'd be nobody. by darkonc · · Score: 1
      Lemme see now: I've got $.15 for the next two days. I can either buy a comdom and have nobody to use it with, or I can buy two coconuts so that me and that hot chick over there will have the energy for a night of hot sex.....

      Guess which choice most young (and often uneducated) poor teenagers will make?

      As my mom once said -- "One of these days, you'll lose your head ..... probably over a piece of tail."

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  133. He didn't devise Klingon... by codergeek42 · · Score: 1

    ...Mark Okrand did.

    Fare thee well, Scotty. You will be missed. :-(

    1. Re:He didn't devise Klingon... by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      Correct. Not only is this in wikipedia, but the Klingon Language Institute's website also states this. I wonder if James Doohan helped out with this project, though?

    2. Re:He didn't devise Klingon... by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 1

      Mark Okrand developed it for Star Trek III: The Search for Spock and all the subsequent Star Trek material that required the language, but the Klingon language was first spoken in the opening moments of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, and for those scenes (when Klingons encounter V'Ger), Jimmy Doohan came up with the language. Okrand's subsequent work began with Doohan's original material from the first movie, and used that as a base.

  134. Godspeed, Mr. Doohan by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 1

    Peace to you and your family.

  135. In the words of Scotty . . . by mmell · · Score: 5, Funny
    (Turbolift Computer voice): "L - l - l - level?"

    (Mr. Scott): "Engineering"

    (Turbolift Computer voice): "Thank you"

    (Mr. Scott): " Up your shaft! "

    1. Re:In the words of Scotty . . . by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1
      Actually (and I hope I'm not getting too off topic), the elevators where I work sound a lot like this. I've found myself quoting the same line from time to time.

      Sigh... First Heinlein, then Asimov, then DeForest Kelley, now Doohan...

  136. An inspiration to engineers everwhere.. by xTK-421x · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One of the things I don't see posted often is that Doohan inspired others to become engineers:
    'He has literally been an inspiration to generations of new engineers. A few years ago Doohan was awarded an honorary doctorate in engineering from the Milwaukee School of Engineering. The reason was, more than half the students applying to the school responded to the question "Why do you want to be an engineer?" with the answer, "Scotty."'
    (taken from StarTrek.com)
    --
    "TK-421, why aren't you at your post?"
    1. Re:An inspiration to engineers everwhere.. by anubi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      James Doohan was one of my primary role models coaxing me into electrical engineering as well. Leonard Nimoy was the other. NASA helped a lot too, sponsoring the award of a trip to Melbourne, Florida, to see the Space Program close-up, in the Science Fairs.

      I was born in the early 50's, and quite an impressionable teen during the Moon missions and Star Trek TOS.

      Damn, those 60's were interesting times. I loved the thrill of technological stuff. The very first transistors. I was so excited over getting some Raytheon CK722 and GE 2N107 Germanium PNP. They were first barely making their way to where I could get some with the pay I could get mowing lawns.

      I couldn't get enough of the thrill with tinkering with electronics, rewiring old TV sets so I could display crude lissajous patterns on the screens and that kinda stuff, dreaming of the things I would see Scotty and Spock do with their stuff. Scotty's transporter and the food replicator fascinated the hell out of me. I wanted in the worst way just to talk to Scotty a bit about how that damn thing worked!!!!

      James made the world of Physics and Engineering a very interesting place for a lot of us. In all the years of my life, I have never seen yet anyone who could do it with the aplomb James could. In my mind, he is *the* engineer.

      Without you, James, physics and engineering would have been about as interesting to me as studying IP law, and I would have gotten it only for the money, not for thrill of doing it. You brought a thrill of accomplishment to a mundane world of physical laws.

      Thanks, James. May you enjoy Eternity with God, and get to see for real the things the things we could only imagine here on Earth.

      --
      "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

    2. Re:An inspiration to engineers everwhere.. by Murasaki+Skies · · Score: 1

      Where's the mod (+5, Heartwarming)?

      --
      Waiiii!!!!!! I have bad karma!
    3. Re:An inspiration to engineers everwhere.. by jhughe90 · · Score: 1

      He did a lot of PR speaking engagements for NASA (I believe) in the early 90s. I've got to track down the picture of him, myself, and my brother when he visited our hometown college campus. "We love you Scotty" - Some guy in the crowd "I love you too, sweetheart" - James I'll never forget that...

  137. Feel Me Up Scotty by darkonc · · Score: 5, Funny
    Back in the 80's during the Non-Con science fiction and fantasy convention in Edmonton, somebody learned that Doohan was in town doing a promo at a local car dealership. They invited him over, and he agreed -- with the stipulation that no autographs would be allowed (he claimed contractual obligations).

    He arrived as the con chair (who was a big 'Scotty' fan) was speaking to the closing ceremonies. They snuck him in unseen and he walked up to her and gave her a big bear hug from behind.

    Swinging around to slap him, a growl of disapproval changed to a squeal of glee almost mid-swing.

    They later made her a button that read "Feel Me Up Scotty!".

    --
    Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
  138. He doesn't need a vessel anymore by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

    May the winds be at his back.

    --
    The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
  139. I don't know why... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    ...but for some reason, the whole thing didn't really hit me until I read your observation. I'm sitting my cube right now blinking them back.

    --
    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
  140. My Favorite by Boronx · · Score: 1

    Kirk: Mister Scott, you old space dog. You're well?

    Scott: I had a wee bout, sir, but Doctor McCoy pulled me through.

    Kirk: Wee bout of what?

    McCoy: Shore leave, Admiral

  141. Quick "Scotty" geek story... by writermike · · Score: 1

    Whenever my wife complains that I spend too much time on the computer, studying stuff during my off-days, I immediately remember a scene from Star Trek that went something like:

    Scotty: I thought I'd catch up on my technical journals.
    Kirk: Don't you ever relax?
    Scotty: I am relaxin'!

    Pretty sure it was the Trouble with Tribbles. When Scotty is later confined to quarters for the brawl, he exclaims that will give him time to catch up on his technical journals.

    --
    If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
  142. No more.. by elgee · · Score: 1

    No more roasting weiners in the warp drive.

    RIP, Scotty.

  143. An enormous loss by petrus4 · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of how a friend told me that when Bob Kane died he was seen as a martyr, despite apparently dying of natural causes. There are some few people for whom I wish it was possible to suspend the normal rules regarding death...and Mr Doohan was one of those. From watching Trekkies and hearing a few other things I learned that it wasn't just on-screen where he managed to, as Jim Kirk put it, "make a difference."

    My deepest condolences to any of his kin who may be reading...the hearts of a great many of us are with you.

  144. My Favorite Scotty Moment by hode · · Score: 1

    My favorite Scotty moment:

    Picks up circa 1980s macintosh mouse and speaks into it: "Computer?".

    1. Re:My Favorite Scotty Moment by JLSigman · · Score: 1

      I say that, complete with accent, any time a computer locks up on me.

      --
      -jls
      Techno-pagan
  145. /cry by ph4te · · Score: 0

    /cry

    --
    OMG SOEMOEN SI H4X0RING MAI B0X3N!1!
  146. For another frame of reference... by schon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never known my father; he's never seen me, although he's probably still alive, and he knows I exist. For all practical intents and purposes, he died before I was born.

    When my mother told my father that she was pregnant, he gave her some money and told her to get an abortion. She gave the money back, and told him to go to hell. They never spoke after that.

    Like me, Sarah Doohan will grow up without a father - but at least she had the opportunity to know him for a few years first. As you say, I'm sure she's glad to be here, even if her father isn't.

    1. Re:For another frame of reference... by BK425 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My parents had me when they were in their early 30's, certainly a "normal" time to begin a family. Then my dad died of cancer when I was 7. Life hands you surprises, the thing that matters is how you handle them.
      Some of us judge people for having children (that they can well afford to support) late in life. Others realize that "late in life" doesn't always happen at a predictable age.
      Miss you dad, but glad to be here. -Boyd

    2. Re:For another frame of reference... by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      May you always find the strength both for you and for your mother... People always do, when they really want to :)

      --

      The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
    3. Re:For another frame of reference... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1
      When my mother told my father that she was pregnant, he gave her some money and told her to get an abortion. She gave the money back, and told him to go to hell. They never spoke after that.

      That is what your mother told you, but is it true ? Sorry to doubt her, but I deal with many men who's ex has told the kids lies to prevent the kids from wanting to see their dad. This is not to say that your father (not a dad, a dad would not do that) did not say that, there are many ass holes in this world.

      Don't believe such a story unless you have verified it.

  147. Relics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Going to go home tonight. Break out some single malt and watch "Relics"

  148. Gloria... by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 1

    And all things considered I would bet that Sarah Doohan doesn't mind the fact that she exists

    ...in Excelsis Deo.

  149. Goodbye James.... by Trikenstein · · Score: 1
    And thanks for great entertainment over the years.

    Once again I wish I hadn't backed out of going to the first Star Trek convention all those years ago. Where I missed the opportunity to meet you in the hotel bar. Where I hear you were the highlight of the entire convention.

  150. Surprising! by DanielNS84 · · Score: 1

    "The Canadians crossed a minefield laid for tanks; the soldiers weren't heavy enough to detonate the bombs. At 11:30 that night, he was machine-gunned, taking six hits: one that took off his middle right finger (he managed to hide the missing finger on the screen), four in his leg and one in the chest. Fortunately the chest bullet was stopped by his silver cigarette case." WOW! I'm impressed...all the articles mentioned that he got his finger shot off but I didn't know he took 6 machine gun rounds. Thank god for his cigarette case!

  151. /weep by supabeast! · · Score: 1

    TSIA

  152. Doohan saved a fan's life by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Damn right. Not only did he expertly play the character that hooked many a kid on the idea of science and engineering, but was also a decorated war veteran and a genuine class act. He was always warm and receptive to his fans and a beloved fixture of the convention circuit.

    This is an important point. Doohan really gave so much back to the community. In the fascinating (and sometimes hilarious) documentary Trekkies, Doohan relates the story of a suicidal Trek fan who confided in him. Doohan took it upon himself to nurse this poor soul back to health. He told the fan that he wanted to see them at the next convention. To his amazement, the fan was there and Doohan graciously met with them, allowing them to come backstage and the whole deal. Doohan tried it again and again the fan showed up at the next convention. They kept this up for a long time (I forget -- it might have been years) when suddenly the fan stopped coming. Doohan feared the worst had happened.

    Years later Doohan was stunned when the fan showed up at a convention out of nowhere! The fan told Doohan that they had turned their life around, enrolled in school, and become ... an electrical engineer.

    If you haven't seen this film you should definitely rent it. Watching Doohan come close to tears as he tells this story is worth the rental fee right there.

    GMD

    1. Re:Doohan saved a fan's life by object88 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Doohan really gave so much back to the community.

      Doohan's contributions were great, but he wasn't the only one. I can't summarize George Takei's vast undertakings, but his involvement with the Japanese-American National Museum and Independent Task Force on Television Measurement are notable.

      George Takei attended James Doohan's last convention and the reception of his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and his retelling is an moving account.

    2. Re:Doohan saved a fan's life by Pchelka · · Score: 1

      I recall reading someplace that Nichelle Nichols helped recruit women and minorities to work for NASA many years ago.

    3. Re:Doohan saved a fan's life by Pchelka · · Score: 1

      James Doohan didn't save my life, but he did inspire me to pursue a career in science. I remember watching re-runs of Star Trek when I was a kid and wanting to be an engineer just like Scotty. When I went to college I planned to major in aerospace engineering, but ended up going into the space sciences instead. My eventual career path ended up being more like Spock's position on the Enterprise, but it would have been a lot different if it wasn't for Scotty. I was always interested in space exploration, but for some reason I never really thought about it as a career until my friends and family got me interested in Star Trek. I wonder how many other people reading /. decided to go into technical fields because of Star Trek, or became engineers because of Scotty. This might make a good topic for a poll.

    4. Re:Doohan saved a fan's life by pallmall1 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many other people reading /. decided to go into technical fields because of Star Trek, or became engineers because of Scotty.

      Me, for one. Even as a kid watching Star Trek re-runs (in the 70s), I could see that Kirk talked but Scotty the Engineer delivered. And he could make cool stuff, too. The lasting impression that James Doohan's character Scotty left upon me undoubtedly contributed to my becoming an Electrical Engineer.

      You did not steer me wrong, Mr. Scott, and I thank you.

      --
      3 things about computers: they're alive, they're self-aware, and they hate your guts.
  153. I dont believe in by Tagren · · Score: 0

    a god, but God beamed him up!

  154. Yahoo! Photo Slideshow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did anyone look at the Yahoo! photo slideshow. Part of the caption for the 7th picture says this "Doohan died early Wednesday, July 20, 20005." That's pretty impressive.

  155. Activate the force field! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Attack pattern Shinzon Theta!

  156. It sounds like... by Kafka_Canada · · Score: 1

    He should have smoked. But, then, it's not like us smokers to get all holier-than-thou and preach about the unhealthy effects of not smoking. I say, let each person make up his own mind!

    --
    Fuck it
  157. farewell by Vanigard_Man · · Score: 1

    You will be missed.

  158. Beam Him Up by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In memoriam James Doohan. The longest surviving "Red Shirt" on the USS Enterprise, his "Scotty" set the standard for generations of geeks and engineers. Working with the latest future technologies, often experimental, under a demanding boss for whom FTL travel, teleporters, galactic communications and more firepower than all of 20th Century Earth combined weren't enough to cakewalk through missions on any given week, Scotty's role model has influenced millions of 20th Century predecessors. His ingenuity, fortitude, and sense of humor while telling the boss that his demands are insane, but doable, even under excruciating time pressure floating around a newly discovered dimension, are an inspiration to us all. Mr. Doohan, in your new journey, go as boldly as you led us in all your merely astral journeys on our televisions, and in our imaginations.

    --

    --
    make install -not war

    1. Re:Beam Him Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed he inspired many systems administrators in their work...

  159. Dona... by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 1

    When my mother told my father that she was pregnant, he gave her some money and told her to get an abortion. She gave the money back, and told him to go to hell. They never spoke after that.

    ...nobis pacem.

  160. strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    strange how he passes away on the day we celebrate the 1st moon mission's success.

  161. HE'S DEAD, JIM! by Vinnie_333 · · Score: 1

    Was I the first? Oh, someone beat me to it. Damn.

    --

    "We shall party like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean." - HedonismBot
  162. He lip-synced by Prof.+Pi · · Score: 1

    At least that's what he said at a
    speech I heard in 1982. He didn't
    actually play them.

  163. Fascination with death by LesPaul75 · · Score: 1

    Just an observation... The world seems to be completely fascinated with death. I've always heard that the obituaries are the most-read section of the newspaper. I believe it. If you look at the "Most Viewed News" stories on Yahoo fairly regularly, you'll see that without fail, any actor's or actress's or sports figure's death immediately jumps right up to the #1 spot on the list, even when it's someone obscure.

  164. what the crap?! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1, Troll

    Didnt he die like six years ago? wtf?

    --
    -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
    1. Re:what the crap?! by tuxedobob · · Score: 1

      That was the good doctor, McCoy.

      http://imdb.com/name/nm0001420/

    2. Re:what the crap?! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

      I distinctly recall an entirely seperate death for scotty.
      Though my perception of time is not very good, and so "six years" was a wild guess. At this moment I have no reason to believe this isnt just some wild hoax.

      But seriously, who the fuck modded me "Troll"? What the flying fuck is wrong with you?

      --
      -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
  165. And my god by anomaly · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And my God came back from the dead, after being nailed to the cross. This is the reason behind the hope of Christianity. Can your God come back from the dead?

    --
    But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
    1. Re:And my god by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      And my God came back from the dead, after being nailed to the cross. This is the reason behind the hope of Christianity.

      So you folks tell us...over and over again, whether we want to hear it or not. But seeing as how you can't provide any proof on the matter, why the hell should I believe you - or even care?

      Can your God come back from the dead?

      I dunno, since according to Norse myth he hasn't died yet.

      Max

      --
      My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
    2. Re:And my god by anomaly · · Score: 1

      Right. There's no evidence, just the fanatical ravings of the lunatic who claim to follow Christ.

      Simon Greenleaf the Royall professor of law at Harvard, wrote Treatise on the Law of Evidence which was the standard in US legal education for a VERY long time.

      He began an investigation of the evidence that backs up the story of the resurrection and concluded that any cross-examination of the eyewitness testimonies recorded in Scripture would result in "an undoubting conviction of their integrity, ability, and truth." The essence of his verdict after studying the evidence was that any unbiased jury openly examining the evidence would inevitably come to the conclusion that Christ had risen from the dead.

      Is there any evidence that you would consider sufficient to cause you to believe that Jesus Christ did come back from the dead?

      --
      But Herr Heisenberg, how does the electron know when I'm looking?
    3. Re:And my god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what I think is funny, in that sad sort of way? Jesus never met Paul, the Roman responsible for taking a bastardized version of Jesus' teachings to the rest of the world. No, when he got word of what was going on, he claimed to have had a vison of Jesus. The rest of the apostles didn't like him, and if it weren't for his ability to convince the masses which pressured the rest of the apostles, he would have been forgotten by history long ago. Paul hijacked the idealism, and twisted it to be palletable to the Western world. He knew damn well what kind of opportunity to consolidate power he had on his hands.

      Do you think the rest of the apostles would have made as much headway if they insisted that men be circumcised and that one could not eat pork, and do many of the things Jews can't do? Obviously not! They didn't--because Chritianity has come about in the vision of one man: Paul. Not Jesus. Not your "god", the man who WOULD NOT appreciate being called a god.

      Know why? Because he himself didn't want attention. He was willing to go far enough to get hs ideas the attention he thought they deserved, so that the Jews could stop being fucking backwards. Attention directed to him was attention directed away from what he cared about. He dosen't want idols, he dosen't want temples insofar to worship him, but instead to preach wisdom so people will stop acting retarded.

      Don't forget it: Jesus was a jew. A revolutionary jew that went to western India for quit a bit longer than 40 days and nights, and he brought lots of ideas back. Let's not forget that among the apostles, the real true witnesses of Jesus's life there was much inconsistancy between stories.

      Oh, that's right... Those events were formally recorded what, some 50-100 years after this shit supposedly went down? Heck, all of those people were likely dead, but Paul caused Rome all kinds of shit by then! Jesus may have been a real man, and he may have have been a son of god, in the same way that Hercules was a son of a god--mythically...

      But you're going to go beleive what you want, and namely what Paul wanted you to beleive, with out introspection (what Jesus wanted you to beleive in--yourself) because you can't come up with an argument of your own.

      These may have been wasted keystrokes, but they felt good nonetheless.

    4. Re:And my god by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Is there any evidence that you would consider sufficient to cause you to believe that Jesus Christ did come back from the dead?

      The fact that a single man came to the conclusion that he could win a court case 'proving' religious tenet X doesn't impress me in the slightest. I don't even know why you bothered making such a big deal out of it in the first place; it's essentially just a 19th century rehash of the story of Paul ('disbeliever sees the light').

      I'm not a christian nor will I ever be one. If this bothers you in some fashion perhaps you might be better served by moving to a country that doesn't support freedom of religion...and freedom FROM religion. Or, if you just have to argue with one of the heathen, go find one who actually gives a shit (hint: that isn't me).

      Max

      --
      My god carries a hammer. Your god died nailed to a tree. Any questions?
  166. RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RIP SCOTTY!

  167. He would die on the Lunar Landing anniversary by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    I think we should establish an X-prize to send his corpse to the moon for burial.

    1. Re:He would die on the Lunar Landing anniversary by fsterman · · Score: 1

      I am alllll for that. Fuck the international space station, or whatever else we need to cut from the budget to get his body on the moon!

      --
      Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
  168. Dilithium Crystals, Over Macho Grande by bubbaD · · Score: 1

    "We've secretly replaced the Dilithium crystals with Folger's dark roast crystals. Let's see how long it takes for the Enterprise crew to notice..."

    Daeley, you seem to know your movies! I noticed your sig from Bladerunner. I've been trying to find out what C-beams are, including if they're made up, or improvisation by R. Hauer.
    Backontopic: I've already looked up "dilithium crystals." Doohan is surely one of the few, if not the first, actor whose most famous line involves an obscure technical term.

    1. Re:Dilithium Crystals, Over Macho Grande by daeley · · Score: 1

      I've been trying to find out what C-beams are, including if they're made up, or improvisation by R. Hauer.

      It was improvised, as was that entire monologue, but I've always envisioned them as an effect of FTL travel or laser weapons (taking "C" to be referring to the speed of light). Like imagine watching a starship battle going on, but from a great distance -- the glittering show might be beautiful in its way.

      And no, I don't think I'll ever be over Macho Grande. ;D

      --
      I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
    2. Re:Dilithium Crystals, Over Macho Grande by kunakida · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually the C-beams weren't improvised by Hauer, the C-beams survived being cut out in the improvisation by Hauer.

      http://www.rutgerhauer.org/filmography/brdir.php

      They were originally added to the 1981 version of the script by David Peoples

      http://brmovie.com/Downloads/Docs/BR_Script_1981.t xt

      C-beams are likely referring to Cerenkov (radiation) beams (radiation given by particles moving FTL for a given medium). Their observation (in vacuum) near the Tanhauser Gate would imply the presence of charged tachyon (faster than light) particles coming from the gate. Which makes sense because "gate" likely refers to the sci-fi concept of "jump gate" (a kind of access point for FTL travel - like the terminus a wormhole)

      Back in the days of Blade Runner, there was still a little science left in the science fiction.

    3. Re:Dilithium Crystals, Over Macho Grande by daeley · · Score: 1

      Ah, very cool info -- everything I've ever read said it was all improv. Thanks much.

      --
      I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
  169. Scotty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beam me up, God!

  170. Re:Yes, he has a 5 year old child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe we should have you sterilized so we can be responsible. At what age would you prefer the cutoff to be?

    Perhaps we can prevail upon you to join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement?

  171. KIRK is Klingon. by uberdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To me, Kirk always seemed like it would be a good Klingon name, along the lines of Kor, Koloth, Kang, etc.

    1. Re:KIRK is Klingon. by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Any word you say in your throat is Klingon? I guess that makes sense.

  172. RIP James Doohan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was a great character with a great voice.

    Quotes:
    "Hello Computer..."
    (Star Trek IV) When attempting to use the computer to show the engineers about transparent aluminum.

    "I need more milk!" Frosted Cheerios commercial.

    And from the stories and comments here it seems like he was the most down to earth person that one could meet.

    He will be missed.

    May he rest in peace.

  173. Re:Beam him on up... by SeanNeumann · · Score: 1

    Perhaps God will let Scotty beam people up during the rapture. He'd be good at it! "Beam my peeps up Scotty!"

  174. Misquote by ruggerboy · · Score: 1

    "Beam me up, Scotty" is never actually said in any of the eps. The nearest equivalent words are 'Beam us up, Mr Scott'[in the episode "Gamesters of Triskelion"].

  175. Elevator by bmomjian · · Score: 1

    I rode in an elevator with him once in New York City during a 1975 Star Trek Convention. I remember someone mumbling "bridge" from the back of the elevator, and everyone cracked up.

    RIP

  176. RIP Scotty by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    He lived long and prospered.

  177. Props. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprised I haven't seen anyone else bring out that hoary old troll yet. This is a true Slashdot tribute. You deserve a mod point or two.

  178. Beam me up by John5788 · · Score: 1

    Scotty: Beam me up, God.

  179. Scotty was a good man by RamboIII · · Score: 1

    Sorry for the pun, but he gave it all she's got, captin.

    --
    Time is comparison of movement to other movement.
  180. Sorry, but his wife is 48 by @madeus · · Score: 0

    It strikes me that a woman with enough love in her heart to genuinely care for an aging (admit it) character actor may be more than capabable of giving enough love to see her child through life?

    She's ~ 48 now, as I've pointed out women at her age have a massively increased risk of either having birth complications or of their babies having serious medical problems (for example, at age 45 a 1-30 chance of the baby having Down syndrome, one of the biggest risks).

    That alone would be absolutely enough to put me off, especially when child effected with Down's would need a high level of care for the rest of it's life coupled with knowing I wouldn't be around to give it.

    After about the relatively young age of 35 giving birth motherhood becomes a seriously risk business for the mother and the baby. People these days want to imagine they can do what they want for as long as they like and settle down later (and Botox themselves high heaven), unfortunately when it comes to having a family, their are very serious consequences to having children at that age, and medical science has no miracle cures.

    1. Re:Sorry, but his wife is 48 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      especially when child effected with Down's

      "affected".

  181. Mod parent up by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

    +5 Insightful

    --If you're a Trek fan, this may bring tears... MP3 bagpipes of Amazing Grace.

    --A fitting tribute.

    --
    .
    == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
  182. Diagnostic cycle by msbsod · · Score: 1

    What a loss! James Doohan was one of the most outstanding characters of the entire Star Trek saga. Maybe he is just in a parallel universe or stuck in a diagnostic cylcle of a transporter. A brief summary of James "Scotty" Doohan's life can be found at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4701167.s tm and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1493093.s tm Beam me up, Scotty, you always have done it so well!

  183. Trek nomonclature by Danathar · · Score: 1

    It's sad to see Jimmy go....

    And on another point...

    It's TREKKER! NOT trekkie

    Trekkie = passe 70's term referring to Star Trek fan with no life

    Trekker = enligtened 90's/21st Century Star Trek fan that has a life other than Star Trek

    1. Re:Trek nomonclature by whathappenedtomonday · · Score: 1
      a life other than Star Trek

      you mean to Farscape, right? SCNR

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    2. Re:Trek nomonclature by p3d0 · · Score: 1

      "Trekkie" is the name for Trek dorks who object to the term "Trekkie".

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    3. Re:Trek nomonclature by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Slight hint for next time: caring so much about what you are called does not help your case that you are not an obsessed fan with no life.

      Me, I am a trekkie. And if Paramount went insane (well, more insane) and let me make a series of Star Trek, I'd never let the Chief Engineer appear on screen, so I could make believe it was Scotty, out of retirement again.

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  184. A kid at 80 years old?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like Jimmy should have worn a jimmy...

  185. Re:Beem him on up...damn it Beam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    every single post above would have given up their points and turn in a scrabble game.

    BEEM?
    Beam

  186. Rest in peace by Jicksta · · Score: 1

    Rest in peace, Mr. Doohan.

    You will live on eternally in the minds of your many many fans.

  187. Just thinking of him today... by east+coast · · Score: 1

    I was thinking of Scottie's aproach to looking good by over-estimating the time it takes to complete a task when I got some parts in a few days early today.

    Warp speed, Mr. Scott.

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  188. A 40 for our fallen shipmates by CorporateWhoremone · · Score: 0

    Tonight everyone should beam the contents of a 40 on to the curb of your local Starport for our hommie Scotty.

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  189. I'm giving her all she's got captain... by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

    May all your dilithium chrystals be plentiful and pure, and your ship be swift on its final journey.

    One of the best scenes was in the movie about V'ger (StarTrek II?) when Scotty goes to use the computer after traveling back in time to our time - he trys talking to it, and then when pointed out that he should use the mouse, he attempts to talk into the mouse like a microphone. "Computer"!

    I don't recall seeing him in many other roles - was he typecast after Startrek? A retrospective of his work would be interesting.

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    1. Re:I'm giving her all she's got captain... by Mongo222 · · Score: 1

      V'ger was the probe in the first movie, the huge cloud like with the old Voyager probe in the center. The seen your talking about happened in the forth movie, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (save the whales.)

  190. Memento mori by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1

    Requiescat In Pace, Meum cor duxisiti.
    Impossibile fecimus, quod nos potentes facit.
    Per istam sanctam unctionem, indulgeat tibi Dominus quidquid deliquisti

    et cum spiritutuo, Deus vobiscum

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  191. Re:Yes, he has a 5 year old child by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep that up, and you won't have much karma left. And I'd say the perfectly valid points are being made by those who are replying to your posts.

  192. Scotty Never Gave the Finger by poena.dare · · Score: 1

    He lost a finger during the D-Day invasion as a captain in the Royal Canadian Artillery.

    And they (the network? the producers?) were always making him hide his missing finger (I recall he said once). And he was proud of that finger, or lack thereof.

    They could have gotten great mileage out of that finger... "Replace it you say? Nae, laddie, it reminds me to never give a Klingon a proctology exam!"

  193. He picked the perfect day... by teutonic_leech · · Score: 1

    ... as today marks th 36th anniversary of the Apollo moon landing. In any way, he'll be missed - great character and he'll be quoted by overworked engineers for centuries to come.

  194. Re:LIBERAL ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evil neocon, how DARE you suggest there could be life without abortion.

  195. Sail on Scotty... by jsupersample · · Score: 0

    ...May the seas be calm and the wind be at your back .

  196. Read the post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the don't-make-the-joke-just-don't-do-it dept.

    For once, I agree

  197. They always go in threes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DC Comics illustrator James Aparo died yesterday, and Gerry Thomas, who invented the TV dinner, died Monday.

    They are, or should be, all geek icons. Personally, of the three, I like Mr. Doohan's work the most.

    The Chicago Tribune's obit mentioned that, ironically, smoking cigarettes saved James Doohan's life. While in the Canadian army in WWII, he was hit by machine gun fire, taking four slugs in the leg, one slug took off one of his fingers, and the fifth hit him in the chest.

    The slug that hit his chest was stoped by his silver cigarette case.

    Today is a sad day.

    -mcgrew

  198. Hey! No spoilers! by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Dang you, I just finished the Half Blood Prince, I haven't gotten to volume 7 yet, are you trying to tell me that Lord Voldermort dies?!?

  199. I won't believe it... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...until it's confirmed by Netcraft.

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  200. Fact check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At age 35 the risk starts to increase, but it's not a "seriously risk[y] business" by any means.

    1% is considered an increase, and if I remember correctly, the increase in potential problems from 30 - 34 to 35 is about 1%.

    Now, If someone told you there was a 1% chance you would die tomorrow, would you hide under your bed all day?

    FYI: The actual overall percentage of dying in a given day over 1%.

    1. Re:Fact check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Actually, if someone told me I had a 1% chance of dying tomorrow I would be a little worried.

      FYI: The actual overall percentage of dying in a given day over 1%.

      I call bullshit on this. At 1% you would have a 98% chance of dying over the course of a year. A 1% chance of dying in a given year I would probably believe, but even then people of a certain age and living in certain areas would tend to bring up the average for the reest of us.

  201. Corny joke coming up.... by TwoTailedFox · · Score: 0

    He's dead, Jim, but not as we know it.

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  202. Rest in peace, Scotty... by joseaplaza · · Score: 1

    ...now that God has decided to beam you up.

  203. Fare the well Scotty! by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    We will miss you! Interesting fact: The words 'beam me up Scotty' were never actually used in the original series.

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  204. so by BlackShirt · · Score: 1

    rest in piece

  205. Amazing man by JChung2006 · · Score: 0

    He sounds like an truly amazing human. The world will be a lesser place without him in it.

  206. I'll say hi to the Robot Devil after I post this by antifret · · Score: 1

    Time for Welshie to step forward I guess.

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  207. "A canny change the laws o' physics, Captain!" by kronocide · · Score: 1

    That's quite alright, Doohan delivered more than could be expected of him, during a long life (including participating in Normandie on D-Day and inventing the first version of Klingon). Here's to a wonderful, charming actor!

  208. obligatory simpsons quote by trainedCodeMonkey · · Score: 0

    "It's no use, captain; I canna' reach the control panel!"[http://www.answers.com/topic/references-to -star-trek-in-the-simpsons%5D

  209. wwii hero too by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative
    in addition to the glowing comments about his celebrity, film, and television work, james doohan is a genuine war hero:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/20/obit. doohan.ap/index.html

    At 19, James escaped the turmoil at home by joining the Canadian army, becoming a lieutenant in artillery. He was among the Canadian forces that landed on Juno Beach on D-Day. "The sea was rough," he recalled. "We were more afraid of drowning than the Germans."

    The Canadians crossed a minefield laid for tanks; the soldiers weren't heavy enough to detonate the bombs. At 11:30 that night, he was machine-gunned, taking six hits: one that took off his middle right finger (he managed to hide the missing finger on screen), four in his leg and one in the chest. The chest bullet was stopped by his silver cigarette case.
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  210. Not-so-oblig. Futurama by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    Fry: Welshieeee!!!!!

  211. God bless you Mr. Scott... by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 1

    For the joy and wonder you gave to generations of those who look to the skies and hope for something better; may this be your best voyage.

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  212. Bye Scotty by Dollyknot · · Score: 1
    I remember watching Star Trek over thirty years ago, in black and white no less.

    We all used to sway in time to the Enterprize's violent manovers.

    Scotty saying "I canna do it Captain"

    Spock arguing with the Doc. .

    As the future gradually eases its way into the past, I say goodbye to one of my old friends that never knew me

    Peter

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  213. R.I.P. Scotty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here lies Scotty.

    He just couldn't take anymore, captain.

  214. Pneumonia and Alzheimers by http101 · · Score: 1

    Article on MSN mentions nothing about Parkinson's Disease.

    "Doohan died at 5:30 a.m. at his Redmond, Wash., home with his wife of 28 years, Wende, at his side, Los Angeles agent and longtime friend Steve Stevens said. The cause of death was pneumonia and Alzheimer's disease, he said."

    http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news= 196936

    NKTNFZA

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  215. Cue the copyright jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "She also undoubtedly has enough money to support the child as well."

    Copyright comes through once again.

  216. RIP James, Scotty by captjc · · Score: 1

    Like most people here, Scotty helped inspire me to go into engineering (Computer Engineering). I just wish to say that he will be missed, both the man and the character. There is little that I can say that hasn't been said already. But he was a great guy both on and off the screen. He is not really dead so long as we remember him. Let us all take a shot of scotch (or Aldebaran Whiskey...it is green!) to honor a great man who was just beamed up to heaven. Godspeed Scotty...may you boldly go where no man...where no one has gone before!

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  217. Actually, it WILL be Scotty beaming you up. by doublem · · Score: 3, Funny

    Up until now, it was Saint Peter for EVERYBODY. The growing population has necessitated some personnel changes. With more people being born all the time, there are also more people dying off. The work load is far too great for Saint Peter alone, so God has authorized some additional "Heavenly Greeters."

    John Candy, for example, will be greeting Canadians. Initially, they weren't going to get their own greeter, but Candy was so persuasive that God decided to give him the job anyway.

    James will of course, be in charge of greeting all the Sci-Fi fans and assorted geeks. Naturally, this will cheese off the die hard Star Wars fans. There was some concern about what to do with George Lucas when he arrived, until someone pointed out that after the prequel trilogy, George won't be approaching the pearly gates anyway.

    I'm told James has already made a few changes. For example, die hard Trekkers will actually hear some transporter sound effects during the transition from a physical body to a divine existence. Die hard Trekkers who are virgins will actually hear "Beam me up Scotty" just before they get beamed up. Deforest will be doing the voice over for now. If Shatner makes it to heaven his voice will be used instead.

    Saint Peter and James are reportedly getting along well, as they both have a fondness for good Scotch and Whiskey. James was quite relieved when he found out Saint Peter had set up a distillery in Heaven, and it was literally staffed by some of the best alcohol artisans on all time.

    Of course the Prohibitionists were PISSEED when they found out about it, and even tried to shut it down. Of course, it's kind of hard to shut down the heavenly distillery and wine makers when God has a glass or two with dinner.

    Anyway, there's no word yet on the other long term changes. For now, dead geeks will be greeted by James' warm and friendly demeanor. James is quoted as saying "When I was told I'd be Scotty long after I was dead, I didn't realize it was going to be quite so literal. I decided to go with the flow and enjoy it long ago, and now I get to welcome new souls into Heaven. I can't think of a better job than that.

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  218. Rest In Peace James by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

    I met him once, back in 83' at a comic store signing. I remember him to be a gentleman.

    I lift a glass of Saurian Brandy in memory of the man who inspired a generation of engineers through his work.

    God bless you Mr. Doohan.

    wbs.

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  219. wikipedia article by Eric+S+Raymond · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:wikipedia article by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      'Doohan acknowledged that he believed "all the world's best engineers have been Scottish."'

      Funny, I thought "Raymond" was an Anglo-Saxon name.

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    2. Re:wikipedia article by Eric+S+Raymond · · Score: 1

      Really? Hmmm, I guess if I actually was ESR I would of known that.

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    3. Re:wikipedia article by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      My point. As well as my hidden point that your name doesn't sound Jewish.

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  220. Memories by blackholepcs · · Score: 1

    I don't know about anyone else, but my best Star Trek memory of Mr. Doohan will always be the clear aluminum formula scene from The Voyage Home. His interactions with the computer mouse, and trying to talk to the computer are hilarious and so perfectly fitting to the moment. I distinctly remember thinking "That's awesome! Clear aluminum would be so cool. You kick ass, Mr. Scott!"

    Rest in peace, James. I bet God is glad to have another miracle worker on his team.

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  221. Parody Song by whiskeypete · · Score: 1

    Anybody remember a parody song (no, not "Star Trekkin) about Scotty?

    Some of the lyrics included: (sung to the tune of Venus)

    It's Scotty,
    Yeah baby, it's Scotty
    Mars and Venus
    Laser fire
    At his desire.

    He's a pistol
    With his little
    Dilithium crystal...

    I would love to be able to find the orignal.

  222. Transporter logs by aapold · · Score: 1

    can't they just renew him from the transporter logs? oh, and filter out that parkinson's and alzheimer's while they are at it...

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  223. Doesn't transparent aluminim cause alzheimer's? by aapold · · Score: 1

    I can't seem to remember...

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  224. Re:Cue the tinfoil hat... by biglig2 · · Score: 1

    Don't tell anyone, but they have secretly been in control of the US media for years.

    Pamela Anderson? Canadian. Mack Sennett? Canadian. Jim Carrey, Peter Donat, Olive Platt, Rae Dawn Chong, Lorne Green, David Cronenberg, Hayden Christensen, Rick Moranis, Leslie Nielsen, Graham Greene, Dan Ackroyd, Donald Sutherland, Michael J. Fox, Linda Thorson, Carrie-Ann Moss, Jack Warner, Hume Cronyn, Anna Paquin, Tom Green, James Cameron, Jason Priestly, Raymon Massey, Natash Henstridge, Keanau Reeves, Yvonne De Carlo, Jennifer Tilly, Walter Pidgeon, Fay Wray (the female William Shatner, dontcha know), Phil Hartman, Margot Kidder, John Candy, Neve Campbell, Harry Saltzman, Paul Shaffer, Rich Little, Eugene Levy, Brendan Fraser, Christopher Plummer. Canadian, every man-jack of them.

    Even we Brits are not safe from them - Lionel Blair? Canadian!

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  225. Poor Scotty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess this is the reason Welshy became a part of the crew.

  226. YAY by IcyNeko · · Score: 1

    Someone caught the reference!!! :D

  227. Re:Cue the tinfoil hat... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

    Good point, but my question still stands. Was there a Roddenberry-Ontario connection? Is this some sort of charisma drain out of Canada because we pay in cash rather than maple syrup and beaver pelts? Is it an insidious plot to infiltrate our culture and control our minds; get out, eh?

  228. Sad to see him go by Celt · · Score: 1

    Its sad to see him go and on the anniversary of the first moon landing no less.
    I'm sure he has inspired 1000's of people to get into technology....its a sad day :(

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  229. Re: One quick last try before the big bad fire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MOD this thread by -10 for major contributions to bad taste!

  230. Romulan Ale by masterofhisdomain · · Score: 1

    ** Holds up Romulan Ale ** To Scotty, This time, you got beamed up! (Salute)

  231. RIP by roadrunnerro · · Score: 1

    Rest in Peace - he was a good influence on a lot of people.

  232. Beam me up Jesus! by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

    The final beam up!

  233. was he beamed up by HermanAB · · Score: 1

    or beamed down? I wonder...

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  234. Comment from non Trekkie by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

    I saw Trekkies, and his genuine humanity (the bit about saving the depressed fan) was awesome. Saying, after being idolised by millions and making some serious bank, that that was one of the highlights of his life reminded me why Canadian people just rock.

    And, you gotta give him credit for being machine gunned on the beaches in WWII and though hit six times living to be 85 - finally hanging it up even though he had (at the time of his death) old age, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, diabetes AND lung fibrosis to deal with.

    They don't make people like that anymore.

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  235. Famous? Yes and No. by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Jeez, give the man a break. Is it not a fact that he IS a famous geek?

    Really... "famous" is relative anyway. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of those in Slashdot-type circles (and a proportion of those working in IT) know who ESR is, or have at least heard of him. From that point of view, he could be considered famous, infamous, or at least well-known.

    On the other hand, I'd be willing to be that his name wouldn't even elicit a flicker of recognition from 9/10 of the general public.

    Nor would RMS's... Linus Torvalds might score somewhat higher, but in the general scheme of things he's still not really "famous".

    Bill Gates, and possibly Steve Jobs. That's your lot.

    Fact is, that outside Hollywood and the music business, there isn't that much universal fame. Sure, some TV stars will become well known if the show is a global hit (e.g. Mr Doohan himself), but the majority won't be known outside their home country- not even famous US television presenters, such as those on daytime TV, and game show hosts.

    I don't know the circumstances of Eric's meeting with James Doohan so I can't comment on that, nor do I know what Doohan's interests were and how Eric's (relative) fame might have affected things. As Bones might have said, "Dammit Jim, I'm an actor, not an u83r-1337 h4x0r..."

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    1. Re:Famous? Yes and No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      On the other hand, I'd be willing to be that his name wouldn't even elicit a flicker of recognition from 9/10 of the general public.
      If you think that 10% of the general public has any idea who "ESR" is (or Linus Torvalds, for that matter), you're a fucking idiot.

      Fewer than 10% will recognize the name James Doohan, for Christ's sake. They know Scotty and "Beam me up," but not the actor's name. Shatner and Nimoy got the fame.

    2. Re:Famous? Yes and No. by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      If you think that 10% of the general public has any idea who "ESR" is (or Linus Torvalds, for that matter), you're a fucking idiot.

      Deliberately conservative estimate, says nothing of the remaining 1/10, and referred to any recognition whatsoever, not whether they "had any idea who 'ESR' was". Idiot.

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  236. Re:Drink green by saskboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    In his honour, I hope that everyone finds a favourite drink that is green.

    "What is this?"
    Scotty looks at bottle of liquor: "It's ... green."

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  237. Honored to have met him by still+cynical · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mentioned this a few months or so ago in the "Hollywood Walk of Fame" thread, but it bears repeating:

    Quite a few years back, I attended a convention with a couple of friends, all of us in college at the time. I have no other Star Trek convention experience to compare it to, but I found him to be a great speaker, funny, intelligent, and not in the least condescending as a celebrity all too often can be in public. He was also very straightforward, as a Shatner comment or two demonstrated.

    After the speech and the Q&A session, he went outside to sit at a table and sign autographs. The line was HUGE. I can't remember why, but my friends and I ended up at the very end of the line. I don't go in for autographs, so maybe I held them up. Anyway, I wait with them, passing quite a bit of time, as Doohan signs autographs, makes small talk, answers questions, hears the same lines and jokes over and over again, etc. Finally, the last people in line (us) make it to the table. I would have expected any celebrity making an appearance to be happy it was over with, sign something for us and break for the door. Hell, _I_ would have. Mr. Doohan instead greets us VERY warmly, makes a big deal about how much of a pain it must have been to stand in line all that time. Maybe I'm jaded, but I honestly never really expected a tv and movie star to sincerely appreciate his fans. He then tells my friend with the camera to not be silly standing there taking pictures, has us come around the table with him and has someone else take our cameras and take pictures of us with him.

    Far too rare of a man. If I remember correctly, his star on the Walk of Fame wasn't bought by himself or his agent as a matter of self-promotion, but by his friends and colleagues of many years who wanted him to get the recognition he deserved. I can't judge anyone's acting talent (ok, maybe SOME people), but acting is what you do, not what you are. And James Doohan was a great human being.

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  238. Re:Cue the tinfoil hat... by acarey · · Score: 1

    Good list, but Anna Paquin is not Canadian. She's a New Zealander.

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  239. It warms my heart ... by sillybilly · · Score: 1

    .. to see 489 of 637 comments on this topic. They say nerds have no people skills. They may not, but they sure do care about people.

  240. you got it all wrong - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now he can truly beam you up
    (infidels,work with me on this one)

  241. Too few, I think! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought when Scotty finally kicked the bucket, his Slashdot obit thread would at least break the 1000 mark before it fell off the bottom of the page. Making it to 700 isn't bad, but I expected even more. Maybe it's just that younger people haven't seen as much of TOS and so Scotty isn't quite as vivid a figure to them as he was to me. Still, here's to you, James Doohan. You had a great life, you made a difference, and you will be remembered.

  242. Moon Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He left us on Moon Day.

  243. Re:Cue the tinfoil hat... by crownrai · · Score: 1

    IMDB says she was born in Canada and grew up in New Zealand

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001593/

  244. Another apocryphal quote by Stankatz · · Score: 1

    "Beam me up, God."
    -Scotty, July 20, 2005

    R.I.P.

  245. See, the red shirt guys didn't always get zapped by shanen · · Score: 0
    However, I've been hoping Scotty would beam me up to someplace where there is some intelligent life.

    In case you've been living in a cave somewhere, I'm referring to the bumper sticker "Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here."

    A really good guy, and we never have enough like him. I haven't read all the comments, but I have read quite a bit about his life story. I think the single thing that most impressed me was the engineering school where almost everyone had been inspired by Scotty in wanting to become engineers.

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  246. great sentiments Re:Beem him on up... by swschrad · · Score: 1

    may ye be dead and in heaven an hour before the devil knows you're gone.

    but certainly not before your time.

    and keep on enjoying, we're only on a short holiday here.

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  247. Goodbye Scotty by hardburlyboogerman · · Score: 1

    At Ease,Mr. Scott.Time to lay down the tools.

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  248. What are most people remembered for? by Cappy+Red · · Score: 1

    "We all know he had a fun, fake Scottish accent and was unparalleled in delivering technobabble in just the right doses for a good episode of Trek, but I'd love to hear the stories of this man that aren't penned by Rodenberry or copyrighted by Viacom."

    Most people are not famous, and will not be remembered by a large audience, because that audience never knew they existed in the first place. James Doohan would still have been a very nice man and cool guy even if he hadn't been on Star Trek, but more likely than not, he wouldn't have been terribly famous.

    Most people don't get the opportunity to be famous at all. The lucky ones (if fame is appreciated), usually only get one chance. How many actors from all the Star Trek series over the years would you know the names of if they had chosen not to be on those series? It's like the Bond franchise: if you have the opportunity to play James Bond, that's probably going to be the one thing you'll be famous for.

    As others have said: I didn't know James Doohan personally. I had no manner of contact with him to give me any reason to know about him, or remember him for anything other than his most popular role. There's nothing wrong with remembering him for playing Scotty -- I've had a lot of fun watching him in that role over the years. I know he was a class act, and that just makes him all the cooler.


    Thank you, James Doohan, for all the good times. You're missed already.

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  249. Goodbye Scotty by Charcharodon · · Score: 1

    Goodbye Scotty, Thank you so much for all the fond childhood memories.

  250. Not the first... by thesnarky1 · · Score: 1

    But I must say that Scotty greatly influenced me into programming (along with Spock and LaForge and... well, they all did seeing as it was the future). Anyways, its a shame to see him go. Just thought I'd leave my regards with the rest of you.

  251. I know who IcyNeko really is!!! by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    Your use of elipsis betray you, Kirk... or should I say... William Shatner!

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    1. Re:I know who IcyNeko really is!!! by IcyNeko · · Score: 1

      I... have... been caught! I.. shall.... write a novel.... about this!

  252. Doohan's ashes being launched into space by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

    According to this article, Doohan requested that his ashes be sent into space. His family is honoring his wishes, launching the ashes with Space Services. It's a little out of the ordinary, but it seems like a rather fitting finale for him.

  253. Favorite spoof by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    He made a guest appearence on some show where somebody kept complaining to the coffee machine repair person to hurry up. The repair man then turned around so that we could see it was Scotty, saying, "I'm givin 'er all i've got, Sir!"

  254. Who's Next ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kirk?

    Uhura?

    Spock?

    Chekov?

    Zulu?

    C hapel?

    (The blonde) yeoman?

    ---Bones?--- (damn, he was old back then)

    ---Scotty?--- (used to be a leading man type)

    My RAM's on Spock.

  255. my very first sig: by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1
    "Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes!"

    Sir, on behalf of all the people who fix things: I salute you. Pick me up in 50 years, will you? I'll be the one looking up.

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  256. RIP by Mika24 · · Score: 1

    nothing else to say

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  257. OT: Book Recommendation by ari_j · · Score: 1

    You need to read The Greatest Generation, by Tom Brokaw. He talks a lot about how incredibly modest most WWII veterans were upon their return home.

  258. Meaningless but interesting... by bscott · · Score: 1

    My middle and last names are "Montgomery Scott". I got to show him my driver's license once, oddly enough at an auto show, where he and Shatner were appearing (though only he was signing autographs - Shatner was just waving to the line of people)

    Scotty (and MacGyver) may just be TV characters, but the world is richer for the legions of people they inspired to get a technical education.
    (And in Scotty's case, to learn how to drink Scotch...)

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  259. Miracle workers.... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    ... have such reputation only because they exceed the expectations of the people around them.

    If a miracle worker took 6 minutes for something he said would take 5, even if for others it would take 30 minutes, he would build a bad reputation. Trust me on that one.

    So you hate for no reason, the first thing a miracle worker has to do is take of his back the annoying people eternaly asking "is it ready now?". By giving this people a long enough time to get lost you can get on with the work and become recognized for keep your word.

    Scotty, as usual, was right.

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  260. Evolutionary strategy of child bearing... by Gopal.V · · Score: 1
    > My father died when I was one year old. He knew he was going to die. My mother knew he was going to die. I am not an accident.

    It is one of nature's builtin safety systems. Something primeval in us which drives us to procreation when we feel the end is near (not the cheesy take me , before this ship sinks jokes). It is something built into us - because this trait was selected by nature as more successful than, I'll not have a child because I'm dying.

    It is at great stress and extreme circumstances that we give in to our deepest natures - which is the drivings of our Selfish Genes. To produce one like you, who will carry his genes for the next generation - hope to carry him and your mother through.
  261. Ashes shot into space? by canadacow · · Score: 1

    So he wanted his ashes shot into space? Personally, I think it would be more fitting if they put them in storage and used them in the first stages of experimentation with human teleportation.

  262. James Doohan is the true Hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any man who can:
    Live through D-day,
    get shot six times,
    invent two languages,
    father a child at the age of 80,
    and still have fun with countless star trek fans
    while living with two of the worst diseases known by humans,
    well,
    James Doohan is a Demigod Hero.

    Songs will be sung in his honor.

    His family knows he was loved by all.
    James Doohan and the other Star Trek actors where the 'parents' of countless engineers, techies, computer programmers, and scientists.

    Star Trek has more hope and optimism for the future than most Earth-bound religions.

    The true fans more than love the show, they want the Federation of Planets to become the real future of the human race. I've known several people who would give up their country's citizenship to become citizens of the Federation.

    The U.N. is outdated, it's time to replace the U.N. with the Federation of Planets, with Earth as it's first member.

    Thank you Scotty, for always saving the day.
    Thank you Mr. Doohan, for bringing Scotty to life and playing along with the Star Trek game for so many years.

  263. Met him once by hendersj · · Score: 1

    Absolutely wonderful human being to meet and listen to.

    In the early 90's, he gave the homecoming address at the university I attended (a school specializing in aviation-related degrees). I'll never forget during the Q&A, on about the third question about a detail in one of the episodes, he responded with something like:

    "Look, it was a job - we learned our lines, were taped while reciting them, and got paid. You guys know these episodes far better than I do, so please stop asking me why in the third line in episode 27 I said one thing when in my fifteenth line in episode 13 I contradicted that. It was a job, and we said the lines we were told to say. I'd much rather talk about aviation, please!"

    He and his wife both are pilots, as I recall...I think he had just received his flight certificate.

    I, for one, will remember him most for that, not for his acting career - that was the point at which he became a real person to me rather than just another actor.

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  264. Warp Speed my friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See you on the other side and thanks for helping make my life a little more enjoyable.

  265. Re:See, the red shirt guys didn't always get zappe by shanen · · Score: 1
    Fascinating. (As Mr. Spock would say.) What could possibly be overrated about that post I wrote? In fact, it had never even been rated to be regarded as overrated.

    Talk about your broken moderation system.

    And even at risk of being regarded as "overrated", I'm still sorry to hear about about Scotty. Actually, I'm pretty sure I had one of his autographed pictures from the days of TOS, though it disappeared at my parents place...

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