That's very true, apple's hardware is pretty nice. But remember the iPhone is not made by Apple, it's made in China. Already we are seeing exact clones of the iPhone that are _better_ than the original.
Now as far as the user experience goes, if it's anything like the one on my iPod it's probably very user-friendly. That's gonna be the hard part for anyone trying to compete directly against such a premium brand.
I don't think Google has any intention of competing in that area, instead trying to focus on the platform and the tools to build such devices seems to be where they are going. It's not gonna be one "gPhone", it will be a competition for Symbian OS. That's really my point here, iPhone isn't a problem for Google here, not that the iPhone is crappy.
The parent said "in 2007" so I'm sticking with it. Overall I have no idea how the next gen+ will be received. I'm not sayings it's a piece of shit, I don't own one. But it's not the next iPod so far. The iPod sold HUGE during the first release holiday season and then just went up. We'll see after this holiday season if it's the same. I have doubts.
You don't think Apple will repeat history in 2007 with the iPhone what they did in 2001 with the iPod?
Not really, considering 2007 is almost over and I have yet to meet anyone with an iPhone. Yet almost everyone I know has an iPod or a clone. Now I may be wrong but I thought the consensus on the iPhone was "meh" at best and "piece of sh#@!" at worst. Did I not get the memo?
Google is not going after Apple's iPhone, they are trying to change wireless all together. They see wireless as the greatest way to deliver internet and all it entails globally.
Hype? Let's look at two things:
1. Google's attempt to acquire the 700mhz band for use from the FCC 2. Open Handset development - android and related hardware.
So here we have a company trying to reinvent the market through the infrastructure - Google. And then we have Apple making it's flagship entrance into the mobile market with one specific vendor, with barely anything innovative beyond the hardware touchscreen and a few other nice to haves that can easily be cloned by any hardware manufacturer, including Google's OHA hardware partners.
So comparing these two is really just a misunderstanding about what android is and what the Open Handset Alliance is really about. Hell Apple's iPhone could even benefit from Google's initiative!
I might be wrong but opening up the development platform and then having them put their full weight behind it might really shake things up. It's not hype, it's real and it may even benefit you.
Sorry mate, I used your post as a launching point for my own soap box. I do understand your points and worldcom was clearly led by a criminal. My only point was that google is just as likely to have a crook inside as any other large corporation.
When money is involved at that level it's silly to think otherwise. I may be setting up a straw man but it seems like slashdot is overtly google-friendly while wasting no time to throw similar large corps under the bus. I just don't see any distinction between google and the rest.
Fortunately, Google isn't run by a megalomaniacal crook.
How would you know?
There seems to be some disconnect with reality when it comes to google or any other large geek-friendly company. Pretend for a second that they _are_ a multi-billion dollar corporation and pretend also that you know jack shit about them beyond what you're told. That "pretend" is reality.
I can hear these stories until the cows come home. Doesn't change shit. Google is still mega-corp no matter how many segways they ride the halls with, how many geeks they make millionaires, and how much free shit they give employees. That means they can't be trusted to "do the right thing". They can only be trusted to do the financially right thing.
Look, I'm gonna be frank, Those fat ass outer planets haven't been pulling their own weight. Our solar budget just didn't live up to expectations and we're looking at trimming... We've brought in some outside consultants to help us identify where we can slim down. This is for the better.
I'm about to out do all of you and use ENIAC! I'll show you how every task can be done on hardware 64 years old! Then I'll smugly declare ALL of modern software excessive.
Yes but think about how hard it was to get your hands on information 30 years ago. If it wasn't in a book or magazine or trade journal you were SOL. So when you got that material you expected more bang for the buck, that's what the market brought. Fast-forward to today when it's information overload and you see the need for smaller articles, at least from a business standpoint. Then also factor in the stress that monitors put on ones eyes, with the page being lit. It's technically "harder" to read a monitor full of text than it is to read a piece of paper. So we see articles getting smaller.
But the idea that writing is now "shorter" is a bit skewed. There is a lot more information being conveyed these days.
Seems the current selection is pretty good. I did a check for my favorite artist, Bob Marley, and where some places only stock a few albums of his they have 66 albums. That means tons of live albums and other fairly obscure stuff. Bob is a pretty popular artist, but I dare anyone to walk into a Sam Goodies or HMV and find a copy of Boston '76 (live).
But I fully agree, I really hope the record industry takes note and realizes that people actually will pay to download DRM-free music, it's profitable. That's what's gonna matter to these guys. When they realize they can sell the same album with NO media costs they'll jump (like they are selling ringtones!).
Yes, hence my line "use the best tool for the job". My job as a programmer is not to squeeze the most out of a machine, that's a byproduct of my abilities. My focus is always the domain and the user.
Actually I am well aware of those things being a C++ programmer myself. The Parent post referred to C++ as superior because it didn't provide these "crutches".
You know everything you said would be true, IF our job was to squeeze the last bit of performance from a machine. But it's not. Our job is to enable the user. A programmer focusing on low level bit shifts, memory storage, string management, etc, takes his eyes off the truly "big picture" and that's the domain you are focusing on and the "business" problems there in.
Our users want results that provide them with real value, if performance is part of that value then so be it. Use the proper tools for the job.
gadget I knocked up to track my torrent downloads at home
Cheery picking your post - any chance you will share this code?
Also, I'm in agreement over vista. I run it on my laptop and haven't had any problems with it so far, the interface is clean and driver support was there.
It's illegal in America too. People still sneak across the border and people still pay them under the table wages. But I doubt many Canadians have had to sneak across the border just for work so it's not much of an advantage.
The actor, according to a local newspaper, "can walk out his door, under a canopied walkway and into the cockpit [of his Boeing], open the long mechanized gate [giving on to the runway] and be airborne in minutes.".. And fly straight into space to meet Xenu.
It's got nothing to do with lack of dreams, it's got to do with rejecting the idea of what is the "American Dream". See for some of us it's hard to stomach a world where people are dying in mass from war, disease, and just plain lack of humanity. It's hard for us to see something so excessive and say "gee, I wish I could be so excessive, because that would mean I'm successful".
Also, the "little man" in America tends to reap what the elite sow. The elite writes checks and the little man pays the bill. Coming from a very poor background I pray to God I never live so excessively when people around me are suffering. It's one thing to work hard and then enjoy some rewards of that hard work (do they honestly work harder than me?), it's another to live excessively. Particularly in a time where the world's eyes are upon us to "do the right thing". Doing the right thing doesn't mean hoarding wealth. It may be natural but we are no longer barbarians taking all we can, we are supposed to be civilized.
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Fair enough, I didn't know it was so popular given my limited sample (my friends lol). I stand corrected.
No actually I meant the HTC touch, which is already out: http://www.htc.com/
Not an exact clone, but it has everything and more.
That's very true, apple's hardware is pretty nice. But remember the iPhone is not made by Apple, it's made in China. Already we are seeing exact clones of the iPhone that are _better_ than the original.
Now as far as the user experience goes, if it's anything like the one on my iPod it's probably very user-friendly. That's gonna be the hard part for anyone trying to compete directly against such a premium brand.
I don't think Google has any intention of competing in that area, instead trying to focus on the platform and the tools to build such devices seems to be where they are going. It's not gonna be one "gPhone", it will be a competition for Symbian OS. That's really my point here, iPhone isn't a problem for Google here, not that the iPhone is crappy.
The parent said "in 2007" so I'm sticking with it. Overall I have no idea how the next gen+ will be received. I'm not sayings it's a piece of shit, I don't own one. But it's not the next iPod so far. The iPod sold HUGE during the first release holiday season and then just went up. We'll see after this holiday season if it's the same. I have doubts.
You don't think Apple will repeat history in 2007 with the iPhone what they did in 2001 with the iPod?
Not really, considering 2007 is almost over and I have yet to meet anyone with an iPhone. Yet almost everyone I know has an iPod or a clone. Now I may be wrong but I thought the consensus on the iPhone was "meh" at best and "piece of sh#@!" at worst. Did I not get the memo?
Google is not going after Apple's iPhone, they are trying to change wireless all together. They see wireless as the greatest way to deliver internet and all it entails globally.
Hype? Let's look at two things:
1. Google's attempt to acquire the 700mhz band for use from the FCC
2. Open Handset development - android and related hardware.
So here we have a company trying to reinvent the market through the infrastructure - Google. And then we have Apple making it's flagship entrance into the mobile market with one specific vendor, with barely anything innovative beyond the hardware touchscreen and a few other nice to haves that can easily be cloned by any hardware manufacturer, including Google's OHA hardware partners.
So comparing these two is really just a misunderstanding about what android is and what the Open Handset Alliance is really about. Hell Apple's iPhone could even benefit from Google's initiative!
I might be wrong but opening up the development platform and then having them put their full weight behind it might really shake things up. It's not hype, it's real and it may even benefit you.
Sorry mate, I used your post as a launching point for my own soap box. I do understand your points and worldcom was clearly led by a criminal. My only point was that google is just as likely to have a crook inside as any other large corporation.
When money is involved at that level it's silly to think otherwise. I may be setting up a straw man but it seems like slashdot is overtly google-friendly while wasting no time to throw similar large corps under the bus. I just don't see any distinction between google and the rest.
Fortunately, Google isn't run by a megalomaniacal crook.
How would you know?
There seems to be some disconnect with reality when it comes to google or any other large geek-friendly company. Pretend for a second that they _are_ a multi-billion dollar corporation and pretend also that you know jack shit about them beyond what you're told. That "pretend" is reality.
I can hear these stories until the cows come home. Doesn't change shit. Google is still mega-corp no matter how many segways they ride the halls with, how many geeks they make millionaires, and how much free shit they give employees. That means they can't be trusted to "do the right thing". They can only be trusted to do the financially right thing.
Here today, gone tomorrow. Rinse and repeat.
Trouble maker! :D
Look, I'm gonna be frank, Those fat ass outer planets haven't been pulling their own weight. Our solar budget just didn't live up to expectations and we're looking at trimming... We've brought in some outside consultants to help us identify where we can slim down. This is for the better.
Dead horse. Why not tell a knock knock joke?
THATS RIGHT I'M HATING!
Now go have some leroy jenkems
But doesn't that describe a good portion of modern science?
I'm about to out do all of you and use ENIAC! I'll show you how every task can be done on hardware 64 years old! Then I'll smugly declare ALL of modern software excessive.
WIN
Yes but think about how hard it was to get your hands on information 30 years ago. If it wasn't in a book or magazine or trade journal you were SOL. So when you got that material you expected more bang for the buck, that's what the market brought. Fast-forward to today when it's information overload and you see the need for smaller articles, at least from a business standpoint. Then also factor in the stress that monitors put on ones eyes, with the page being lit. It's technically "harder" to read a monitor full of text than it is to read a piece of paper. So we see articles getting smaller.
But the idea that writing is now "shorter" is a bit skewed. There is a lot more information being conveyed these days.
Amen, the shit is getting ridiculous. And who is to blame for all of this? Well if it's not our lawmakers then who?
Now you have Apple stuck in your throat.
That's not apple!
Seems the current selection is pretty good. I did a check for my favorite artist, Bob Marley, and where some places only stock a few albums of his they have 66 albums. That means tons of live albums and other fairly obscure stuff. Bob is a pretty popular artist, but I dare anyone to walk into a Sam Goodies or HMV and find a copy of Boston '76 (live).
But I fully agree, I really hope the record industry takes note and realizes that people actually will pay to download DRM-free music, it's profitable. That's what's gonna matter to these guys. When they realize they can sell the same album with NO media costs they'll jump (like they are selling ringtones!).
It doesn't provide you a way to stop it? Hardly. They provide full source code under GPL. Rip it out, publish changes, DONE.
Yes, hence my line "use the best tool for the job". My job as a programmer is not to squeeze the most out of a machine, that's a byproduct of my abilities. My focus is always the domain and the user.
Actually I am well aware of those things being a C++ programmer myself. The Parent post referred to C++ as superior because it didn't provide these "crutches".
You know everything you said would be true, IF our job was to squeeze the last bit of performance from a machine. But it's not. Our job is to enable the user. A programmer focusing on low level bit shifts, memory storage, string management, etc, takes his eyes off the truly "big picture" and that's the domain you are focusing on and the "business" problems there in.
Our users want results that provide them with real value, if performance is part of that value then so be it. Use the proper tools for the job.
gadget I knocked up to track my torrent downloads at home
Cheery picking your post - any chance you will share this code?
Also, I'm in agreement over vista. I run it on my laptop and haven't had any problems with it so far, the interface is clean and driver support was there.
It's illegal in America too. People still sneak across the border and people still pay them under the table wages. But I doubt many Canadians have had to sneak across the border just for work so it's not much of an advantage.
It is good, but not the best. The best is sticky oil and comes from Afghanistan.
The actor, according to a local newspaper, "can walk out his door, under a canopied walkway and into the cockpit [of his Boeing], open the long mechanized gate [giving on to the runway] and be airborne in minutes." .. And fly straight into space to meet Xenu.
It's got nothing to do with lack of dreams, it's got to do with rejecting the idea of what is the "American Dream". See for some of us it's hard to stomach a world where people are dying in mass from war, disease, and just plain lack of humanity. It's hard for us to see something so excessive and say "gee, I wish I could be so excessive, because that would mean I'm successful".
Also, the "little man" in America tends to reap what the elite sow. The elite writes checks and the little man pays the bill. Coming from a very poor background I pray to God I never live so excessively when people around me are suffering. It's one thing to work hard and then enjoy some rewards of that hard work (do they honestly work harder than me?), it's another to live excessively. Particularly in a time where the world's eyes are upon us to "do the right thing". Doing the right thing doesn't mean hoarding wealth. It may be natural but we are no longer barbarians taking all we can, we are supposed to be civilized.