Except right now even before launch it has potentially more games than xbox360, ps3; and wii combined...
I, like most people, find it difficult to play potential games. I suppose, though, the PS3 has more potential games too. So does the Xbox 360. And the Wii. And the C64. Heck, even the HAL9000 has more "potential" games.
and cheap too, most under a dollar.
And worth every penny!
Everything from throwaway games to 20hr RPG's, Lets be honest most modern game engines work on Android. In fact the only problem it has is making out the quality from the...not so quality
But then you won't be able to say something like, "it has potentially more games than xbox360, ps3; and wii combined".
However, for sake of argument, let's just pretend that potential games somehow become real games (by magic, we must assume). Then what? Will people want to run them on a slow console? Why? Because it's $99?
In terms of sheer numbers, that's actually possible (er, "potential"). But in terms of the types of customers that game companies want, the kind that buy games and care about quality, it's not gonna happen. Those people will buy from Sony, MS, and Nintendo, or build a PC. Or hell, simply just play on their high end Android or iOS devices!
Ouya is a cool device, and its very existence alone is notable. But I believe it's a product based on a fundamentally flawed premise. That premise is that low cost should trump quality.
The larger screen is definitely a nice feature on many Android phones, but hardly the main reason. If you think it is, then what will you be saying later this year when Apple releases a larger iPhone? That everyone should flock to iOS?
People like and want iPhones more than they like and want Android phones. That's why iOS is so highly regarded and does so well across all the metrics that measure this sort of thing. Android outsells the iPhone only due to the remainder, the people who really don't care one way or the other, and are looking for the cheap option, since the high end (both high end iOS and high end Android) just isn't that interesting to them.
Nice try. How does that refute that iOS users buy more software than Android users? For every tuppe666, there's a thousand grandmas who got their Android phone free and have never paid for a single app, and wouldn't even know how to.
Perhaps you should should stop Demonising Android users. I'm personally willing to post screenshots of my Play account, showing all my purchases.
Perhaps once you stop demonizing Apple users. This story has nothing to do with Android, yet fandroids such as yourself seem to have no trouble coming up with reasons to bring up the wholly irrelevant (to this story) Android OS.
Sounds like an inferiority complex to me. At least it's not as bad here as it is on G+.
> an Apple product will change the face of this market
An Android product would make more of a difference, what with the current approx 2:1 ratio in favour of Android usage on smartphones.
How so? Stuff that happens on iOS has a greater impact than any other OS on the planet, even Windows these days.
You're also leaving out iOS on iPads and iPod touches, as well as all the Macs and PCs running iTunes. All of which add up to the most lucrative segment of the music market in the world. How is Android supposed to be more impactful than that?
It's funny you'd use Kindle as an example. It's much better on iOS than on Android. Oh, you have to buy apps outside of the app on iOS? BFD. It's Amazon's choice anyway.
But it's damned laughable, but wholly unsurprising, that you are actually arguing that Android apps are higher quality than iOS apps. One thing Google appears to have over Apple is they clearly have a stronger RDF, tastier kool-aid, and more rabid fanboys.
The point is that just about any hobby you have will only make you happy in the short-term
What? The examples given provide lasting value. Things like watching TV and playing games are generally more limited in scope.
You're flipping things around. Most any hobby will provide happiness on the short term, but not all will provide happiness in the long term. The idea here is that the ones that provide both short and long term happiness are better than the ones that merely provide for the short term.
The AC makes a great point. If you're not the target market, then move along to something better. You're the one taking the fanboy stance that you have to advocate for a solution that someone doesn't want.
If he doesn't want the Pi, then what's the motivation, other than fanboyism, to convince him otherwise? I have two RPi's and enjoy them immensely. They are small, self-contained Linux PCs with an easily accessible GPIO header and can be easily interfaced with the real world. Yes, an Android phone could do the same thing.
Only a fanboy would tell anyone else they are doing it wrong. I love my Pi, he loves his Android. Everyone's happy! Why fuck that up?
If your use-case is "leave attached to my TV" then a Pi makes a lot of sense. If you want to have a resilient case, be portable, have a small screen attached, etc, then maybe a phone makes more sense.
This is the right answer, and demonstrates the nonsense underlying the OP's question.
This nonsense is that there has to be only product. Sometimes you want a cell phone, sometimes you want a Raspberry Pi. Sometimes you want Arduino, some other microcontroller, a full-fledged Linux box, an iPad, a PC, whatever.
The awesomeness is that all of these things exists and can be used. So why artificially limit things? No one needs to justify the RPi to anyone else. If it speaks to you, it's for you. If it doesn't, move along to something else that does. This fanboy bullshit mindset needs to stop.
Their lawyers don't get to decided for Nokia based on whether the lawyers want more money. It's Nokia who decides whether or not to sue. No need for cynicism.
Exactly. Apple has just sold more iPhones than ever, the iPhone 5 is currently the top selling smart phone, the iPhone 4S is in second place, and the iPhone 4 is in third. Apple has just had their most profitable quarter ever (and the second most profitable quarter of any public company in history).
So, yeah, clearly selling phones hasn't worked out for Apple at all...
Slashdot: Where MS has been "going under" since 1997!
Though to be fair, MS has been on the decline lately, with a series of notable misses. Sadly, those misses have nothing to do with the Slashdot logic used to herald the end of MS.
They could collect license fees on what looks to be the big new video format.
That's amazingly lolworthy. WebM "looks to be the big new video format"? It's significantly worse than H.264, while H.265 (which raises the bar) is right around the corner!
They have plenty of motivation, so I can only assume there is some reason they want to scupper it.
Yes, money. And a sense of ownership (it's their patents, after all). And probably at least a bit of just wanting to fuck with Google for kicks.
No, VP8 *is* infringing, H.264 "might be". That's a huge difference. Taking on Google over WebM is easy, taking on the MPEG-LA will be a tall order indeed. That's another huge difference.
Seriously, if you're going to use a video coded, you might as well go with the safer bet, especially when that safer bet is superior in quality, directly supported in silicon all over the world, and the dominant format on the Internet.
You're sort of right with this, though:
you may as well go for the cheapist option.
Yes, you may as well go for H.264. Supporting WebM is far too expensive in terms of quality, end-user battery life, fewer customers even capable of playback, increased server load, and just outright being non-standard.
I want a reliable, high quality, widely available video standard. Through patents and the MPEG-LA, we have just that. Without patents, we'd have a mess. That's what sense it makes.
Maybe then, the US Congress will finally take notice and do something serious about patent reform.
What's the worst that can happen here? Google can no longer distribute or license WebM video/codecs/players, and everyone goes back to using H.264 (and soon, H.265)?
Isn't that how things already are? So, the "havoc" is that things are the same???
(And for a point of interest, only some of the LG retina models have a ghosting which is generally only found in contrived testing scenarios and not in normal use. That's still bad, but nothing so bad as many people (who don't even own one) like to portray it as.)
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Except right now even before launch it has potentially more games than xbox360, ps3; and wii combined...
I, like most people, find it difficult to play potential games. I suppose, though, the PS3 has more potential games too. So does the Xbox 360. And the Wii. And the C64. Heck, even the HAL9000 has more "potential" games.
and cheap too, most under a dollar.
And worth every penny!
Everything from throwaway games to 20hr RPG's, Lets be honest most modern game engines work on Android. In fact the only problem it has is making out the quality from the...not so quality
But then you won't be able to say something like, "it has potentially more games than xbox360, ps3; and wii combined".
However, for sake of argument, let's just pretend that potential games somehow become real games (by magic, we must assume). Then what? Will people want to run them on a slow console? Why? Because it's $99?
In terms of sheer numbers, that's actually possible (er, "potential"). But in terms of the types of customers that game companies want, the kind that buy games and care about quality, it's not gonna happen. Those people will buy from Sony, MS, and Nintendo, or build a PC. Or hell, simply just play on their high end Android or iOS devices!
Ouya is a cool device, and its very existence alone is notable. But I believe it's a product based on a fundamentally flawed premise. That premise is that low cost should trump quality.
Nope, the main reason is the price.
The larger screen is definitely a nice feature on many Android phones, but hardly the main reason. If you think it is, then what will you be saying later this year when Apple releases a larger iPhone? That everyone should flock to iOS?
People like and want iPhones more than they like and want Android phones. That's why iOS is so highly regarded and does so well across all the metrics that measure this sort of thing. Android outsells the iPhone only due to the remainder, the people who really don't care one way or the other, and are looking for the cheap option, since the high end (both high end iOS and high end Android) just isn't that interesting to them.
Trouble is, most folks on Android are known to loathe "paying for any software."
This is an article about an Apple user being attacked for Piracy by an Apple developer by Hyjacking their twitter accounts and posting confessions of piracy :) http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/ios-apps-hijack-twitter-accounts-post-false-confessions-of-piracy/.
Nice try. How does that refute that iOS users buy more software than Android users? For every tuppe666, there's a thousand grandmas who got their Android phone free and have never paid for a single app, and wouldn't even know how to.
Perhaps you should should stop Demonising Android users. I'm personally willing to post screenshots of my Play account, showing all my purchases.
Perhaps once you stop demonizing Apple users. This story has nothing to do with Android, yet fandroids such as yourself seem to have no trouble coming up with reasons to bring up the wholly irrelevant (to this story) Android OS.
Sounds like an inferiority complex to me. At least it's not as bad here as it is on G+.
> an Apple product will change the face of this market
An Android product would make more of a difference, what with the current approx 2:1 ratio in favour of Android usage on smartphones.
How so? Stuff that happens on iOS has a greater impact than any other OS on the planet, even Windows these days.
You're also leaving out iOS on iPads and iPod touches, as well as all the Macs and PCs running iTunes. All of which add up to the most lucrative segment of the music market in the world. How is Android supposed to be more impactful than that?
Exactly. The biggest privacy invader in the world worries about privacy invasion only when it's done by someone else. What a creep.
The common mistake is thinking that hard drives aren't memory. They are a form of non-volatile memory.
It's funny you'd use Kindle as an example. It's much better on iOS than on Android. Oh, you have to buy apps outside of the app on iOS? BFD. It's Amazon's choice anyway.
But it's damned laughable, but wholly unsurprising, that you are actually arguing that Android apps are higher quality than iOS apps. One thing Google appears to have over Apple is they clearly have a stronger RDF, tastier kool-aid, and more rabid fanboys.
The point is that just about any hobby you have will only make you happy in the short-term
What? The examples given provide lasting value. Things like watching TV and playing games are generally more limited in scope.
You're flipping things around. Most any hobby will provide happiness on the short term, but not all will provide happiness in the long term. The idea here is that the ones that provide both short and long term happiness are better than the ones that merely provide for the short term.
The AC makes a great point. If you're not the target market, then move along to something better. You're the one taking the fanboy stance that you have to advocate for a solution that someone doesn't want.
If he doesn't want the Pi, then what's the motivation, other than fanboyism, to convince him otherwise? I have two RPi's and enjoy them immensely. They are small, self-contained Linux PCs with an easily accessible GPIO header and can be easily interfaced with the real world. Yes, an Android phone could do the same thing.
Only a fanboy would tell anyone else they are doing it wrong. I love my Pi, he loves his Android. Everyone's happy! Why fuck that up?
If your use-case is "leave attached to my TV" then a Pi makes a lot of sense. If you want to have a resilient case, be portable, have a small screen attached, etc, then maybe a phone makes more sense.
This is the right answer, and demonstrates the nonsense underlying the OP's question.
This nonsense is that there has to be only product. Sometimes you want a cell phone, sometimes you want a Raspberry Pi. Sometimes you want Arduino, some other microcontroller, a full-fledged Linux box, an iPad, a PC, whatever.
The awesomeness is that all of these things exists and can be used. So why artificially limit things? No one needs to justify the RPi to anyone else. If it speaks to you, it's for you. If it doesn't, move along to something else that does. This fanboy bullshit mindset needs to stop.
Syntax is part of grammar.
Literally actually means both.
I really wish grammar trolls would check a dictionary before literally flying off the handle!
And you ended up copying MS anyway. Gee, thanks a bunch!
Sure, but that's not the case here, and is rarely ever the case that they have enough of a stake to make such a call.
Their lawyers don't get to decided for Nokia based on whether the lawyers want more money. It's Nokia who decides whether or not to sue. No need for cynicism.
If I was the only person saying that, then you might have a point. Even Google has admitted this implicitly.
Exactly. Apple has just sold more iPhones than ever, the iPhone 5 is currently the top selling smart phone, the iPhone 4S is in second place, and the iPhone 4 is in third. Apple has just had their most profitable quarter ever (and the second most profitable quarter of any public company in history).
So, yeah, clearly selling phones hasn't worked out for Apple at all...
And calling them both "invisible" doesn't make them the same, nor does it make them bullshit.
Slashdot: Where MS has been "going under" since 1997!
Though to be fair, MS has been on the decline lately, with a series of notable misses. Sadly, those misses have nothing to do with the Slashdot logic used to herald the end of MS.
They could collect license fees on what looks to be the big new video format.
That's amazingly lolworthy. WebM "looks to be the big new video format"? It's significantly worse than H.264, while H.265 (which raises the bar) is right around the corner!
They have plenty of motivation, so I can only assume there is some reason they want to scupper it.
Yes, money. And a sense of ownership (it's their patents, after all). And probably at least a bit of just wanting to fuck with Google for kicks.
How is consulting for Microsoft and Oracle working out?
Probably about as well as claiming anyone with a different opinion from you is a shill.
No, VP8 *is* infringing, H.264 "might be". That's a huge difference. Taking on Google over WebM is easy, taking on the MPEG-LA will be a tall order indeed. That's another huge difference.
Seriously, if you're going to use a video coded, you might as well go with the safer bet, especially when that safer bet is superior in quality, directly supported in silicon all over the world, and the dominant format on the Internet.
You're sort of right with this, though:
you may as well go for the cheapist option.
Yes, you may as well go for H.264. Supporting WebM is far too expensive in terms of quality, end-user battery life, fewer customers even capable of playback, increased server load, and just outright being non-standard.
I want a reliable, high quality, widely available video standard. Through patents and the MPEG-LA, we have just that. Without patents, we'd have a mess. That's what sense it makes.
Maybe then, the US Congress will finally take notice and do something serious about patent reform.
What's the worst that can happen here? Google can no longer distribute or license WebM video/codecs/players, and everyone goes back to using H.264 (and soon, H.265)?
Isn't that how things already are? So, the "havoc" is that things are the same???
Well, surely that explains it!
(And for a point of interest, only some of the LG retina models have a ghosting which is generally only found in contrived testing scenarios and not in normal use. That's still bad, but nothing so bad as many people (who don't even own one) like to portray it as.)