Your probably right.
The tragedy with most (or nearly all) those experiments was that they were intended to proof rather wild and downright surreal racial theories and concecpts of Nazi-ideology.
I do recall that a lot of the medical advancements we are enjoying today
are a result of the many barbaric experiments done by Nazi scientists
on their prisoners back in WWII.
I think this is not exactly the case. More to the tune of "...a lot of the medical advancements we enjoyed in the 50s and 60s..."
So are the insights they gained from their immoral experiements bad enough that we shouldnt use it on moral grounds?
Back then, the origin of the studies was just conveniently forgotten.
Unlike Dr. Mengele, his boss (Adolf Butenandt) managed to continue his career in post-war Germany - mainly by vigorously destroying every evidence of his deeds.
Mengele fled to South America but his research was (in parts) considered the de-facto standard until the early sixties - he himself being a good scape-goat, too, taking most of the guilt of the rest of the staff with him.
The reason, the concentration-camps were so attractive to all kinds of bio-scientist at that time were really two-fold:
total lack of regulations
the possibility to generate an mind-staggering amount of samples in a very short time
(previous studies on twins, one of Dr. Mengele's favorite projects, had taken years and were taken on a much smaller sample)
I must assume, it's the same in India today, again: lot's of samples, little paper-work.
If corporations don't apply any ethics, things will run out of control, again. It may even run out of control with more regulation - after all, who can counter the killer-argument of "but it may cure xyz-cancer or AIDS".
In the current climate of "sacrifice some lives for many/some freedoms for the big-picture", it's only a small step.
Don't rely on the assumption that scientists will just do "the right thing" - more often than not, the prospect of being able to "advance science" will just open new abysses, which later generations will look down with disgust and horror.
> So in closing, IBM and Sun, in the future: Fewer press releases and more support for USB CDROMS would probably go > further in getting people to put Solaris on a bladecenter.
I'd rather say:
- use a f...ine SCSI DVD.
- or at least make the DVD USB2! Can you believe it? The CDROM is still USB1.1...
> So switch to Sun Blades or the new Xseries boxes, and X4200 would work for you. Those run Solaris just fine and boot > from SAN. Of course since you just bought IBM Blade Centers I guess that's not an option.
We'd also have to buy a SUN SAN. Most likely.
Guess what were going to do, being a RHEL+some FreeBSD shop.
Yes. With 8 LS 20 blades. Well, no. The company I work for owns one. Or it's leased, I don't remember.;-)
> Your three concern points, well, i don't know about the EVA portion but I thought HP supported Solaris.
Yes. On SPARC. Upto Solaris9. Officially. I was planning to go to Linux-world in Frankfurt, later this month and grill SUN+HP about it, but I don't know if I can make it there.
It was painfull enough to get it to boot RH4 from the SAN. The lesson learned is that unless there's a HP-driver, it's not worth booting-up the blade:-/
Immediately as "new" broke about this, I mailed the guys who sold us our LS20-bladecenter. The reality is that as of today, no specific information is available. Rumor has it that it will be certified still in Q4, but Q1 2006 is as likely. Officially, you won't get anything out of IBM about this.
I'd love to run Solaris on our Dual-Core, Dual Opteron blades, but I doubt that:
- I can get SAN-boot to work
- I can get MP-failover to work
- overall support for our HP EVA3000 SAN for the above two features.
We don't have disks inside the blades and we will not buy any (they're not hot-swappable anyway).
More power to them. Today's TV is just a nuisance. It makes people dumb, fearful and lethargic. 20% of US-Americans are functional illiterates - it wouldn't hurt if they switched off the TV-set and took a book in their hand.
> Is it still possible to purchase a motherboard > that's *just* a motherboard?"
Of course it is. Either buy a decent server-motherboard (Tyan) or buy an ultra-cheap one (they usually don't have the shitty onboard-RAID or lacking S-ATA). But the first option is expensive and the second option might yield an overall crappy motherboard...
Oh-man. You didn't believe it and then you complain because the factual information you received from the system beforehand turned out to be correct ? I thought that's a lesson a child learns, the first time they try to touch the hot cooker even though Mummy told them not to ! That being said, compiling Java keeps my Dual Xeon busy like no other compile-job, SCSI-drives and 1 GB of memory not withstanding...
Whatever you think about his personality - I think most people vastly underestimate the contributions OpenBSD makes to the Free Software World.
Not only from a pure lines-of-code point-of-view, but also by the way the OpenBSD-project scrutinizes licenses and pushes security and cryptography forward every day.
and besides, the sheer fact that such research might pay-off is a sure sign of the decay of our civilisation.
Already, little or no research is done in areas where little or no profit is expected (malaria e.g.), thereby killing millions every year.
> Geez, what next? Are they going to do his star
> charts?
The CIA reportedly analyzed the urine of Leonid Brezhnev while he was out of the USSR (SALT negotionations, IIRC) to gain information about his health-status...
The/home-partition on my laptop is encrypted. I store tapes off-site. I shred or burn every piece of paper that can be used to track me down (shipping-labels, address-labels, letters, addressed letters).
I tried it. The problem is: I run my own mailserver and everything is done via SSL or TLS (IMAP, SMTP, Webmail, too). As Ciphire redirects all traffic to the internal proxy, the certificates don't match anymore and you just get a lot of freakin' error-boxes everytime you send or receive something.
In short:
- yes, it works
- no, I'm not interested - I know how to use GPG, thank you.
> Qantas has a very good history of safe flying > and obviously they don't do it "right", they > don't put their passengers through this (at > least in Australia they don't).
Not yet.
> Does the fact that there haven't been any > incidents mean that all the protective measures > are working, or just that nobody has tried > anything?
More recently, terrorists have attacked El-Al machines in Kenia via ground-to-air missiles. I do think the measures are working. I don't think that "nobody has tried", in a country where each day someone blows himself up and tries to take some Israelis with him...
> Both Bali and Madrid were done by locals, not > people coming in from overseas.
Flying is probably more safe in Isreal now than public transport...[cough-cough]. I can't imagine living there right now - but it offers a good lookout on what's to come for the rest of the world, should we not manage to dry-up support for (and thus supply of future) terrorists in the Near East.
Some people mentioned El Al (and the fact that their people are *trained* in contrast to most other Airline Security Personel in other locations...).
Anyway, a co-worker at a former employer told me about a visit to the wedding of some relative or friend she attended - in Israel (post 9/11). Flight Munich - Tel Aviv. Munich Airport: arrive 4h before departure (better more), have luggage searched intensively, interviews and questioning. In Munich, the airport has a special, separated gate for Israel-flights anyway.. Also, you can't really just fly to Israel - you've got to have an invitation (needless to say that all names, addresses and numbers of the people she was staying had been noted).
Arrival in TelAviv: intensive questioning again, the invitation was checked and they actually called the people on the list she gave to the authorities.
But by doing it "right" El-Al has a good history of safe flying - and my impression is that in the years to come, what cumbersome rest of civil liberties or rights to live "anonymous" are going to go away. Completely. This is not a big problem for most people, but could be a big problem if the government started to get oppressive....
> Is warming really a bad thing? While it sounds > like what you say is correct, what if that extra > moisture simply means there is more moisture in > the atmosphere, meaning more rain, less deserts.
Haha, that's good. SCNR. I cherish your abundunce of optimism, but in reality, there will be more "extreme" temperaturees around the world: the hottest places now will get even hotter, the colder spots will get colder (except if the Gulf-stream changes or disappears - then we'll get very cold feet here in Europe) - and that means that there will be more storms, hurricanes, taifuns etc. As you mention, there will also be more moisture in the atmosphere, maybe a lot more: together with temperature-extremes, this is a recipe for more (and more powerful) hurricanes. Just ask someone from FL how many more summers like this one they are going to stand until they have enough. You can rebuild your house only so-many-times, I guess. Go to news.google.com and search for Philippines. They are also having a wave of hurricanes. They're also already broke and have deforested large parts of their country. Together, this paves the road to disaster and can really lead to a death-spiral for the environment of a country.
Morale: global climate change is nothing funny, esp. if it envolves the place you live in.
The least Microsoft could have done is create a non-admin user upon installation and force users to work as that, e.g. by changing word, excel etc. to refuse to open when used by an administrator and changing IE to refuse to work on anything but windowsupdate for administrators. That would have been far more effective than SP2 and all the gazillion tools one seems to need today to be able to use XP reasonably. It would also have cut down on a lot of Spam.
Yes, it would have been annoying, but safety-belts were annoying, too, when they first appeared. Security is sometimes annoying, people should get over it, just like they got over Windows Product Activation.
> Look down and see the squalor that so much of > their people live in.
We're luck they are so poor. Same for the Chinese. If every Chinese wanted to eat just one chicken per week more, world-supplies of corn/crop would not be sufficient to raise these chickens.
And what do you think would happen if China and India had a car-density like Germany or the US (and fuel-consumption like US-cars) ? Currently, there's no way another 2 billion people can live an "American Way of Life", at least not very long. The only problem is that politicians haven't openly acknowledged it yet, but they are very close;-)
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Your probably right.
The tragedy with most (or nearly all) those experiments was that they were intended to proof rather wild and downright surreal racial theories and concecpts of Nazi-ideology.
are a result of the many barbaric experiments done by Nazi scientists
on their prisoners back in WWII.
I think this is not exactly the case. More to the tune of "...a lot of the medical advancements we enjoyed in the 50s and 60s..."
So are the insights they gained from their immoral experiements bad enough that we shouldnt use it on moral grounds?
Back then, the origin of the studies was just conveniently forgotten. Unlike Dr. Mengele, his boss (Adolf Butenandt) managed to continue his career in post-war Germany - mainly by vigorously destroying every evidence of his deeds. Mengele fled to South America but his research was (in parts) considered the de-facto standard until the early sixties - he himself being a good scape-goat, too, taking most of the guilt of the rest of the staff with him.
The reason, the concentration-camps were so attractive to all kinds of bio-scientist at that time were really two-fold:
- total lack of regulations
- the possibility to generate an mind-staggering amount of samples in a very short time
(previous studies on twins, one of Dr. Mengele's favorite projects, had taken years and were taken on a much smaller sample)I must assume, it's the same in India today, again: lot's of samples, little paper-work. If corporations don't apply any ethics, things will run out of control, again. It may even run out of control with more regulation - after all, who can counter the killer-argument of "but it may cure xyz-cancer or AIDS".
In the current climate of "sacrifice some lives for many/some freedoms for the big-picture", it's only a small step.
Don't rely on the assumption that scientists will just do "the right thing" - more often than not, the prospect of being able to "advance science" will just open new abysses, which later generations will look down with disgust and horror.
cheers,
Rainer
> So in closing, IBM and Sun, in the future: Fewer press releases and more support for USB CDROMS would probably go
> further in getting people to put Solaris on a bladecenter.
I'd rather say:
- use a f...ine SCSI DVD.
- or at least make the DVD USB2! Can you believe it? The CDROM is still USB1.1...
Rainer
> Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant you can PXE TFTP Install it, not software-cdrom install it.
I think that I read that somewhere else anyway.
It's required for MPio+SAN-Boot on SPARC anyway, IIRC.
Rainer
> So switch to Sun Blades or the new Xseries boxes, and X4200 would work for you. Those run Solaris just fine and boot
> from SAN. Of course since you just bought IBM Blade Centers I guess that's not an option.
We'd also have to buy a SUN SAN.
Most likely.
Guess what were going to do, being a RHEL+some FreeBSD shop.
Rainer
> If you have a BladeCenter,
;-)
:-/
n t.do?sitestyle=ibm&lndocid=MIGR-60579
Yes. With 8 LS 20 blades.
Well, no. The company I work for owns one. Or it's leased, I don't remember.
> Your three concern points, well, i don't know about the EVA portion but I thought HP supported Solaris.
Yes.
On SPARC.
Upto Solaris9.
Officially.
I was planning to go to Linux-world in Frankfurt, later this month and grill SUN+HP about it, but I don't know if I can make it there.
It was painfull enough to get it to boot RH4 from the SAN. The lesson learned is that unless there's a HP-driver, it's not worth booting-up the blade
But thanks anyway for the information.
Oh, and before I forget: when can I do a remote-install via the "software-cdrom" on the java-console?
According to
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/docume
it's not supported...
Rainer
rainer at ultra-secure dot de
Immediately as "new" broke about this, I mailed the guys who sold us our LS20-bladecenter.
The reality is that as of today, no specific information is available.
Rumor has it that it will be certified still in Q4, but Q1 2006 is as likely.
Officially, you won't get anything out of IBM about this.
I'd love to run Solaris on our Dual-Core, Dual Opteron blades, but I doubt that:
- I can get SAN-boot to work
- I can get MP-failover to work
- overall support for our HP EVA3000 SAN for the above two features.
We don't have disks inside the blades and we will not buy any (they're not hot-swappable anyway).
IMO, it's mostly a publicity-stunt.
cheers,
Rainer
More power to them.
Today's TV is just a nuisance. It makes people dumb, fearful and lethargic.
20% of US-Americans are functional illiterates - it wouldn't hurt if they switched off the TV-set and took a book in their hand.
Rainer
Open-Xchange.org
There's a tutorial for installing it on OSX, too, I think.
> Is it still possible to purchase a motherboard
> that's *just* a motherboard?"
Of course it is.
Either buy a decent server-motherboard (Tyan) or buy an ultra-cheap one (they usually don't have the shitty onboard-RAID or lacking S-ATA).
But the first option is expensive and the second option might yield an overall crappy motherboard...
Hey,
I'd mod you up if I had point at the moment.
Good comment.
> I didn't believe it
Oh-man. You didn't believe it and then you complain because the factual information you received from the system beforehand turned out to be correct ?
I thought that's a lesson a child learns, the first time they try to touch the hot cooker even though Mummy told them not to !
That being said, compiling Java keeps my Dual Xeon busy like no other compile-job, SCSI-drives and 1 GB of memory not withstanding...
Not only from a pure lines-of-code point-of-view, but also by the way the OpenBSD-project scrutinizes licenses and pushes security and cryptography forward every day.
Congratulations, Theo - keep on fighting !
Extensive platform support and lot's of plugins.
Not free, but you get what you pay for...
and besides, the sheer fact that such research might pay-off is a sure sign of the decay of our civilisation.
Already, little or no research is done in areas where little or no profit is expected (malaria e.g.), thereby killing millions every year.
> charts?
The CIA reportedly analyzed the urine of Leonid Brezhnev while he was out of the USSR (SALT negotionations, IIRC) to gain information about his health-status...
The /home-partition on my laptop is encrypted.
I store tapes off-site.
I shred or burn every piece of paper that can be used to track me down (shipping-labels, address-labels, letters, addressed letters).
cheers,
Rainer
I tried it.
The problem is: I run my own mailserver and everything is done via SSL or TLS (IMAP, SMTP, Webmail, too). As Ciphire redirects all traffic to the internal proxy, the certificates don't match anymore and you just get a lot of freakin' error-boxes everytime you send or receive something.
In short:
- yes, it works
- no, I'm not interested - I know how to use GPG, thank you.
cheers,
Rainer
> I think, however, that this just illustrates
> that people in large groups tend to be stupid...
> whatever their culture.
Indeed.
We learned that lesson 60 years ago.
When will the US learn it ?
Rainer
> Qantas has a very good history of safe flying
> and obviously they don't do it "right", they
> don't put their passengers through this (at
> least in Australia they don't).
Not yet.
> Does the fact that there haven't been any
> incidents mean that all the protective measures
> are working, or just that nobody has tried
> anything?
More recently, terrorists have attacked El-Al machines in Kenia via ground-to-air missiles.
I do think the measures are working. I don't think that "nobody has tried", in a country where each day someone blows himself up and tries to take some Israelis with him...
> Both Bali and Madrid were done by locals, not
> people coming in from overseas.
Flying is probably more safe in Isreal now than public transport...[cough-cough].
I can't imagine living there right now - but it offers a good lookout on what's to come for the rest of the world, should we not manage to dry-up support for (and thus supply of future) terrorists in the Near East.
Rainer
Some people mentioned El Al (and the fact that their people are *trained* in contrast to most other Airline Security Personel in other locations...).
Anyway, a co-worker at a former employer told me about a visit to the wedding of some relative or friend she attended - in Israel (post 9/11).
Flight Munich - Tel Aviv.
Munich Airport: arrive 4h before departure (better more), have luggage searched intensively, interviews and questioning. In Munich, the airport has a special, separated gate for Israel-flights anyway..
Also, you can't really just fly to Israel - you've got to have an invitation (needless to say that all names, addresses and numbers of the people she was staying had been noted).
Arrival in TelAviv: intensive questioning again, the invitation was checked and they actually called the people on the list she gave to the authorities.
But by doing it "right" El-Al has a good history of safe flying - and my impression is that in the years to come, what cumbersome rest of civil liberties or rights to live "anonymous" are going to go away. Completely.
This is not a big problem for most people, but could be a big problem if the government started to get oppressive....
> Most mainstream Linux distributions have far more
> extras than Windows does.
Then do a mimimal install (of SuSE e.g.)
Or a mimimal install of FreeBSD and add packages as you need.
Rainer
> Is warming really a bad thing? While it sounds
> like what you say is correct, what if that extra
> moisture simply means there is more moisture in
> the atmosphere, meaning more rain, less deserts.
Haha, that's good.
SCNR.
I cherish your abundunce of optimism, but in reality, there will be more "extreme" temperaturees around the world: the hottest places now will get even hotter, the colder spots will get colder (except if the Gulf-stream changes or disappears - then we'll get very cold feet here in Europe) - and that means that there will be more storms, hurricanes, taifuns etc.
As you mention, there will also be more moisture in the atmosphere, maybe a lot more: together with temperature-extremes, this is a recipe for more (and more powerful) hurricanes.
Just ask someone from FL how many more summers like this one they are going to stand until they have enough. You can rebuild your house only so-many-times, I guess.
Go to news.google.com and search for Philippines. They are also having a wave of hurricanes. They're also already broke and have deforested large parts of their country. Together, this paves the road to disaster and can really lead to a death-spiral for the environment of a country.
Morale: global climate change is nothing funny, esp. if it envolves the place you live in.
cheers,
Rainer
...that I run FreeBSD, Linux and Solaris.
The least Microsoft could have done is create a non-admin user upon installation and force users to work as that, e.g. by changing word, excel etc. to refuse to open when used by an administrator and changing IE to refuse to work on anything but windowsupdate for administrators.
That would have been far more effective than SP2 and all the gazillion tools one seems to need today to be able to use XP reasonably.
It would also have cut down on a lot of Spam.
Yes, it would have been annoying, but safety-belts were annoying, too, when they first appeared.
Security is sometimes annoying, people should get over it, just like they got over Windows Product Activation.
Rainer
> Look down and see the squalor that so much of
;-)
> their people live in.
We're luck they are so poor.
Same for the Chinese.
If every Chinese wanted to eat just one chicken per week more, world-supplies of corn/crop would not be sufficient to raise these chickens.
And what do you think would happen if China and India had a car-density like Germany or the US (and fuel-consumption like US-cars) ?
Currently, there's no way another 2 billion people can live an "American Way of Life", at least not very long.
The only problem is that politicians haven't openly acknowledged it yet, but they are very close
Rainer