> Or what about the military uses originally > intended for the Shuttle project? Was any of the > money ever put to use at all, let alone for a > purpose?
> Or Bulgaria does not see why Germany cannot deal > with people having dual passports, given that > much although not all of 'Old Europe' gets on > with it just fine. If you look up Bulgarian > policy, you will discover that they indeed do > permit dual nationality... What are they > supposed to do, fall over backwards to help > their citizens deal > with Germany's half-baked ideas?
As someone else pointed out, it's not uncommon to be forced to give up one nationality to get another..See USA. Also, I just pointed out that it cannot be possibly Germany's legislation's fault, if your friend loses property when she gives back her Bulgarian passport.
> a better immigration policy might persuade > people like that to stay
Maybe. The problem is, in the past, German has let in a lot of people without a real concept of how to assimilate them. That concept is still not there. Or I cannot see it. This is especially problematic in case of all the immigrants from the former USSR (who, and this I must agree is an absurdity in its own, get their German passport very quickly) Also, German politics (and public) is devided on this whole issue and as a consequence, nothing really changes.
> You're actually displaying an attitude that I > see in Germany all the time, which is > a) superior
I'm sorry you see it that way.
> and b) far from serious
Well - given the numbers and the current political landscape, there's not much else one can do other than fall into sarcasm, I'm afraid.
You see, in Germany it's very difficult to communicate to the people that the current status-quo can not last forever, not without a lot of hardship. Unfortunately, people tend to vote politicians who say so quickly out-of-office (see no evil, hear no evil...).
I have nothing against Bulgaria, really.
But the immigration- and naturalisation-issue is only a fraction, a symptom of larger problems.
BTW: If your friend is very good at any kind of (Olympic) sport, she can get a German passport very quickly....;-)
> Hm. Maybe you can have two passports if you were > born in Germany
True. Now that you reminded me of it.... http://www.einbuergerung.de
> that if she wished to become German, it would > have meant losing the property that she owned > back home
That's not Germany's fault. You can't make our legislation responsible for the stupid legislation in other countries.
> Germany's attitude to immigration is not far > from the Queen of England's approach to casual > sex. And then they have the guts to complain > about their aging population and lack of > workforce. But this is another rant.
Well, look at Bulgaria - they obviously don't want foreigners to own real-estate. Is that any better ? We don't "complain" about aging population, it's merely an observation. Also, there's hardly anything politics can do about the age-pyramid. You can't force people to mate;-) (Also: bad memories from 65 years ago, when this actually happened - so a very dangerous subject)
UNO/UNESCO calculations suggest that Germany needs 150 000 000 immigrants in the next 50 years to keep the population to the current level. Those are really frightening numbers.
> There's Turks who have lived in Germany for two > generations and still have no citizenship, because > the process is arduous.
I think that's no longer true. In the past, it required you to give-up your other nationionality, nowadays, you can have two passports. But even back then there were enough people to go this route (i.e. drop their other nationality - mostly to get around the draw in Turkey...). It's also a question of weather somebody really wants to be German....
My parents run P2-366 class hardware and it's more-or-less enough. But I will need a faster PC just to build FreeBSD-packages for them, and re-build world. Because that's taking ages on these slow machines... When I migrated them from SuSE to FreeBSD, the idea was to be able to upgrade the machines step by step - but I didn't take into account that it takes almost a weekend to build KDE....
> Considering the market that they are targeting, > the single largest expense is not the hardware > but the software.
Considering the market they are targeting, the largest software expense will be 10-15 USD, for a DVD with Windows, Office, Photoshop, etc on, that can be bought as "overstock" from the local peasants-market, probably.
Wouldn't it just be enough to mount the fucking USB or FW-device with the NT-equivalent of noexec, nosuid, nodev ? I mean, floppy drives are shit, yes, but sometimes these USB-keys are useful. But I agree that there are situation where nobody will ever need this and being able to just deny it by software is a useful option. But why do they try to lump all use-cases together ?
> Well, even when he was not detained, I doubt > that he would play there.
Yeah, I have my doubts, too (and I don't play chess). But it was fun while it lasted. Every other year, he sort of appeared in some random part of the world (was - supposedly - even spotted in Germany once, some years ago) and disappeared immediately.
Apparently, there's a Japanes woman who wants to marry him...
Well, not currently.
He's detained in Japan and has just fought of (temporarily) his deportation to the US.
Bobby Fischer certainly has a very interesting and complex personality....
Don't get me wrong: I love BSD and I try to use and advocate it whenever I can. But the FreeBSD-project is to release a BETA now every week until October. Or at least, every other week. Are we going to see all of them announced on Slashdot ?
How biased (if at all) is the coverage of US- and world-affairs in the USA ?
I must admit that I don't watch TV anymore here in Germany because the quality has deteriorated to a point where it's only marginally funny anymore. But the news and reports about foreign affairs (Western- and Eastern Europe, All of America, Asia, Africa and Australia) is still quite good and balanced. At least, in the state-owned channels.
Anyway... I'll take the DU (Depleted Uranium) story as an example. This has been known (or, lacking an offical acknowledgemend, "suspected") here for several years. It has been reported repeatedly and, after Gulf War 1, led to a significant public outcry when it became obvious that these weapons had been deposited also on the territory of our beloved Federal Republic.
On the other hand, the ministery of defense here is playing every dirty trick in the book to keep a scandal of its own under the hood: in the 60s and 70s a lot of radar-technicans got really high doses of radiation from military radar-gear, because it had to be repaired without appropriate protection. The "problem" is that these people (those few that are still alive are sometimes real living cancer-labs) want a compensation for their sufferings and the ministery is trying everything to delay the law-suits, hoping secretly for a "biological solution" of the cases...not totally unlike the DU-scandal... This is publicly known, has been briefly covered but doesn't raise public outcry or turmoil, nor is any politician threatend in his job.
Also, when viewing the US from here, there may be still some Anti-American sentiments here, that are partly founded in history (remember, the Eastern part of this country has been Socialist and Anti-Capitalist until 15, 16 years ago?) and partly because of big differences in mentality (patriotism is almost a cuss here).
So, whenever Mr Bush Jun. says something funny or makes a funny face, it's a sure giveaway that it can be seen here on TV. The same when he alienates yet another (then former) ally.
When editors, journalists etc. "make the news" how big is the pressure (if any) to not mention certain facts at all, so that some stories seemingly never hit the headlines in the country where it would matter most ? Or is it just a "McCarthy-esk"-climate, where everybody just fears that he might be "on a list" ?
Michael Moore mentions, in the foreword to the British edition of his "Stupid White Men"-"novel" that his publisher tried everything to keep the book out of the stores, because it didn't seem "appropriate" at the time.
Is this still representative of the climate for publishing books and information in the US ?
I'm afraid I don't have an unbiased view of the US myself, because I read this Topic (YRO) way to often...it's probably also not a good and representative audience to ask;-)
> Unfortunately, he was a bit over-enthusiastic in > what he copied, and put my name at the top of his > paper as well.
I had a classmate who had prepared a cheat-sheet for a German class-test. Back then, we were using individual class-test notebooks that were handed out at the beginning of the test and collected at the end. So he hid the sheet in that - and forgot to take it out after the notebooks were returned !
Guess what, it popped out when the teacher flipped through his notebook. He failed in that test and was given a letter to his parents for them to sign.
In Europe, it's common knowledge that the telcos pay the costs of the wiretapping infrastructure (upfront, I don't believe they're swallowing it). This is very nice for the authorities, as they could have a system built to their spec but not pay a single cent for it.
What is interesting is that some time ago, a large German telco made a mistake and billed several customers for the wiretapping (their detailed phonebill showed lots of connections to a number where the calls were presumably forwarded to). Obviously, the authorities were not amused at all.
> In my opinion, he's clean, and is being unfairly > accused.
There are enough rumours about him, it's just that pretty much nobody openly accuses him. Other cyclers are probably sitting in a glasshouse anyway, so they wouldn't through the first stone.
There's speculation that the chemo-therapy has made him "immune" against certain performance-enhancing drugs (or the detection, that is). Also, he receives daily or weekly doses of testosteron (because the cancer was in the testicles) - but, to quote Jan Ulrich: "Who is to judgde if that is doping ? I'm certainly not going to do that !"
If you remember the "Balco-scandal" (still being investigated, AFAIK), you'll remember that the interdepence between sports, athlets, business, pharmacology is already very deep. Nobody who does doping today does it "accidentially", and scary amounts of money are dedicated to research new performance-enhancing drugs and ways to avoid detection. Us, the spectators, just watch.
All in all, this just shows how decadent this society (the (western) world as a whole, not necessarily limited to the USA) has become - it's "panem et circensis" again, and the vandals and ottomen are already knocking on the gates of the empire...
>I'm curious, do these open groupware (not to be > confused with OpenGroupware) servers support open > groupware protocols like POP, IMAP, iCal, WebDAV?
SLOX (SuSE Openexchange Server) supports these. The contacts, appointments and tasks can be im- and exported via Webdav (the Outlook-Connector works via webdav) Simple document-management also via webdav.
> If so, then why is it so important to have an > Outlook connector?
Because the whole world lives on Outlook like a junkie on dope ! Take Outlook away from people and they will cry till your eardrums bust.
That's why a colleague called it "The Big O" - nobody get's around it. SuSE recognized that from the beginning, but was a bit late on exectution...
Yeah - but we're talking about a multi-double-digit-billion dollar "lift";-) And the lift-owner gives parties for law-makers and has in the past demonstrated that he can get laws made just for himself (search for "porsche" or "super-cars" on slashdot).
The only power one has got left is to not buy the stuff, not use it all all.
> But let's see: If your -- and everyone else's -- > rotten-braked car were as fragile, error-prone, > and bug-ridden as all this, who would we be > holding responsible?
Hehe. The manufacturer perhaps ? But you clicked on the EULA and waived all your rights away, don't you remember ?
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> Or what about the military uses originally
> intended for the Shuttle project? Was any of the
> money ever put to use at all, let alone for a
> purpose?
Can you say "TEFLON-pan" ?
Rainer
> Or Bulgaria does not see why Germany cannot deal
.... ;-)
> with people having dual passports, given that
> much although not all of 'Old Europe' gets on
> with it just fine. If you look up Bulgarian
> policy, you will discover that they indeed do
> permit dual nationality... What are they
> supposed to do, fall over backwards to help
> their citizens deal
> with Germany's half-baked ideas?
As someone else pointed out, it's not uncommon to be forced to give up one nationality to get another..See USA.
Also, I just pointed out that it cannot be possibly Germany's legislation's fault, if your friend loses property when she gives back her Bulgarian passport.
> a better immigration policy might persuade
> people like that to stay
Maybe. The problem is, in the past, German has let in a lot of people without a real concept of how to assimilate them. That concept is still not there. Or I cannot see it. This is especially problematic in case of all the immigrants from the former USSR (who, and this I must agree is an absurdity in its own, get their German passport very quickly)
Also, German politics (and public) is devided on this whole issue and as a consequence, nothing really changes.
> You're actually displaying an attitude that I
> see in Germany all the time, which is
> a) superior
I'm sorry you see it that way.
> and b) far from serious
Well - given the numbers and the current political landscape, there's not much else one can do other than fall into sarcasm, I'm afraid.
You see, in Germany it's very difficult to communicate to the people that the current status-quo can not last forever, not without a lot of hardship. Unfortunately, people tend to vote politicians who say so quickly out-of-office (see no evil, hear no evil...).
I have nothing against Bulgaria, really.
But the immigration- and naturalisation-issue is only a fraction, a symptom of larger problems.
BTW: If your friend is very good at any kind of (Olympic) sport, she can get a German passport very quickly
cheers,
Rainer
Rainer
> Hm. Maybe you can have two passports if you were
;-) (Also: bad memories from 65 years ago, when this actually happened - so a very dangerous subject)
> born in Germany
True. Now that you reminded me of it....
http://www.einbuergerung.de
> that if she wished to become German, it would
> have meant losing the property that she owned
> back home
That's not Germany's fault.
You can't make our legislation responsible for the stupid legislation in other countries.
> Germany's attitude to immigration is not far
> from the Queen of England's approach to casual
> sex. And then they have the guts to complain
> about their aging population and lack of
> workforce. But this is another rant.
Well, look at Bulgaria - they obviously don't want foreigners to own real-estate.
Is that any better ?
We don't "complain" about aging population, it's merely an observation. Also, there's hardly anything politics can do about the age-pyramid.
You can't force people to mate
UNO/UNESCO calculations suggest that Germany needs 150 000 000 immigrants in the next 50 years to keep the population to the current level.
Those are really frightening numbers.
cheers,
Rainer
> There's Turks who have lived in Germany for two
> generations and still have no citizenship, because
> the process is arduous.
I think that's no longer true.
In the past, it required you to give-up your other nationionality, nowadays, you can have two passports.
But even back then there were enough people to go this route (i.e. drop their other nationality - mostly to get around the draw in Turkey...).
It's also a question of weather somebody really wants to be German....
Rainer
What I found particulary amusing about this article are the "related links" on the right, pointing to "Best deals: Censorship" on pricegrabber.
That's probably an accurate description of the situation....
Rainer
My parents run P2-366 class hardware and it's more-or-less enough.
But I will need a faster PC just to build FreeBSD-packages for them, and re-build world.
Because that's taking ages on these slow machines...
When I migrated them from SuSE to FreeBSD, the idea was to be able to upgrade the machines step by step - but I didn't take into account that it takes almost a weekend to build KDE....
Rainer
> Of course, no logger writer would think to hook
> into IE JScript or Windows GDI events.
In the latest version of the plugin, you don't have to click anything anymore.
You just hover over the virtual key 2s and voila it gets pressed.
cheers,
Rainer
> You can encrypt your password six ways from
;-)
> Sunday and it will still have been intercepted
> before it ever reaches your encryption software.
Indeed. But there's that nice Squirrelmail plugin that lets you use a virtual keyboard to enter your password
Rainer
> Considering the market that they are targeting,
> the single largest expense is not the hardware
> but the software.
Considering the market they are targeting, the largest software expense will be 10-15 USD, for a DVD with Windows, Office, Photoshop, etc on, that can be bought as "overstock" from the local peasants-market, probably.
Rainer
Wouldn't it just be enough to mount the fucking USB or FW-device with the NT-equivalent of noexec, nosuid, nodev ?
I mean, floppy drives are shit, yes, but sometimes these USB-keys are useful.
But I agree that there are situation where nobody will ever need this and being able to just deny it by software is a useful option.
But why do they try to lump all use-cases together ?
Rainer
> Well, even when he was not detained, I doubt
> that he would play there.
Yeah, I have my doubts, too (and I don't play chess).
But it was fun while it lasted.
Every other year, he sort of appeared in some random part of the world (was - supposedly - even spotted in Germany once, some years ago) and disappeared immediately.
Apparently, there's a Japanes woman who wants to marry him...
Rainer
Bobby Fischer certainly has a very interesting and complex personality....
Rainer
It's supported on practically all hardware of IBM and you will have a lot less problems with it.
You can use Debian, if you want to run only OpenSource components.
Now, which of the applications you mention is OpenSource ?
[ ] DB2-Client
[ ] Websphere
[ ] TSM Client
Think !!
I can't believe how uneducated some people tackle this topic.
cheers,
Rainer
> Recall the buildup towards the Linux 2.6 release.
;-)
You may be right here.
I think I just ignore those stories about the latest kernel, so I can say
Rainer
Speaking of it: I can't get VMware Workstation 4.5.2-8848 to work on SuSE 9.1 with the latest kernel.
Anybody got a good tip ?
Rainer
Don't get me wrong: I love BSD and I try to use and advocate it whenever I can.
But the FreeBSD-project is to release a BETA now every week until October. Or at least, every other week.
Are we going to see all of them announced on Slashdot ?
I've got a question:
...it's probably also not a good and representative audience to ask ;-)
How biased (if at all) is the coverage of US- and world-affairs in the USA ?
I must admit that I don't watch TV anymore here in Germany because the quality has deteriorated to a point where it's only marginally funny anymore.
But the news and reports about foreign affairs (Western- and Eastern Europe, All of America, Asia, Africa and Australia) is still quite good and balanced. At least, in the state-owned channels.
Anyway...
I'll take the DU (Depleted Uranium) story as an example. This has been known (or, lacking an offical acknowledgemend, "suspected") here for several years. It has been reported repeatedly and, after Gulf War 1, led to a significant public outcry when it became obvious that these weapons had been deposited also on the territory of our beloved Federal Republic.
On the other hand, the ministery of defense here is playing every dirty trick in the book to keep a scandal of its own under the hood:
in the 60s and 70s a lot of radar-technicans got really high doses of radiation from military radar-gear, because it had to be repaired without appropriate protection. The "problem" is that these people (those few that are still alive are sometimes real living cancer-labs) want a compensation for their sufferings and the ministery is trying everything to delay the law-suits, hoping secretly for a "biological solution" of the cases...not totally unlike the DU-scandal...
This is publicly known, has been briefly covered but doesn't raise public outcry or turmoil, nor is any politician threatend in his job.
Also, when viewing the US from here, there may be still some Anti-American sentiments here, that are partly founded in history (remember, the Eastern part of this country has been Socialist and Anti-Capitalist until 15, 16 years ago?) and partly because of big differences in mentality (patriotism is almost a cuss here).
So, whenever Mr Bush Jun. says something funny or makes a funny face, it's a sure giveaway that it can be seen here on TV. The same when he alienates yet another (then former) ally.
When editors, journalists etc. "make the news" how big is the pressure (if any) to not mention certain facts at all, so that some stories seemingly never hit the headlines in the country where it would matter most ?
Or is it just a "McCarthy-esk"-climate, where everybody just fears that he might be "on a list" ?
Michael Moore mentions, in the foreword to the British edition of his "Stupid White Men"-"novel" that his publisher tried everything to keep the book out of the stores, because it didn't seem "appropriate" at the time.
Is this still representative of the climate for publishing books and information in the US ?
I'm afraid I don't have an unbiased view of the US myself, because I read this Topic (YRO) way to often
cheers,
Rainer
> If it's not on the CD, how are they supposed to
> download it?
wget --help
Rainer
> Unfortunately, he was a bit over-enthusiastic in
> what he copied, and put my name at the top of his
> paper as well.
I had a classmate who had prepared a cheat-sheet for a German class-test.
Back then, we were using individual class-test notebooks that were handed out at the beginning of the test and collected at the end.
So he hid the sheet in that - and forgot to take it out after the notebooks were returned !
Guess what, it popped out when the teacher flipped through his notebook.
He failed in that test and was given a letter to his parents for them to sign.
I never cheated that badly.
Rainer
In Europe, it's common knowledge that the telcos pay the costs of the wiretapping infrastructure (upfront, I don't believe they're swallowing it).
;-)
This is very nice for the authorities, as they could have a system built to their spec but not pay a single cent for it.
What is interesting is that some time ago, a large German telco made a mistake and billed several customers for the wiretapping (their detailed phonebill showed lots of connections to a number where the calls were presumably forwarded to).
Obviously, the authorities were not amused at all.
It has not happened again since
Rainer
> In my opinion, he's clean, and is being unfairly
> accused.
There are enough rumours about him, it's just that pretty much nobody openly accuses him. Other cyclers are probably sitting in a glasshouse anyway, so they wouldn't through the first stone.
There's speculation that the chemo-therapy has made him "immune" against certain performance-enhancing drugs (or the detection, that is).
Also, he receives daily or weekly doses of testosteron (because the cancer was in the testicles) - but,
to quote Jan Ulrich: "Who is to judgde if that is doping ? I'm certainly not going to do that !"
If you remember the "Balco-scandal" (still being investigated, AFAIK), you'll remember that the interdepence between sports, athlets, business, pharmacology is already very deep.
Nobody who does doping today does it "accidentially", and scary amounts of money are dedicated to research new performance-enhancing drugs and ways to avoid detection.
Us, the spectators, just watch.
All in all, this just shows how decadent this society (the (western) world as a whole, not necessarily limited to the USA) has become - it's "panem et circensis" again, and the vandals and ottomen are already knocking on the gates of the empire...
Rainer
> well, you can synthesize finger and palm prints,
> so the whole finger-choppy bit isn't necesary.
I hope the guy who wants to chop-off or remove parts of my body knows this, too.
You know, there are always those who want to know it for sure....
Rainer
>I'm curious, do these open groupware (not to be
> confused with OpenGroupware) servers support open
> groupware protocols like POP, IMAP, iCal, WebDAV?
SLOX (SuSE Openexchange Server) supports these.
The contacts, appointments and tasks can be im- and exported via Webdav (the Outlook-Connector works via webdav)
Simple document-management also via webdav.
> If so, then why is it so important to have an
> Outlook connector?
Because the whole world lives on Outlook like a junkie on dope !
Take Outlook away from people and they will cry till your eardrums bust.
That's why a colleague called it "The Big O" - nobody get's around it.
SuSE recognized that from the beginning, but was a bit late on exectution...
Rainer
Yeah - but we're talking about a multi-double-digit-billion dollar "lift" ;-)
And the lift-owner gives parties for law-makers and has in the past demonstrated that he can get laws made just for himself (search for "porsche" or "super-cars" on slashdot).
The only power one has got left is to not buy the stuff, not use it all all.
cheers,
Rainer
> But let's see: If your -- and everyone else's --
> rotten-braked car were as fragile, error-prone,
> and bug-ridden as all this, who would we be
> holding responsible?
Hehe. The manufacturer perhaps ?
But you clicked on the EULA and waived all your rights away, don't you remember ?
Rainer