There are simple solutions that allow to abide to the law while still providing Spam filtering. We add appropriate headers to Spam and Virus Mails and deliver them to certain subfolders of a users mailbox.
That's OK, but the user still has to work through hundrets of messages per month (or even thousands - I block 600 viruses alone for me and more than 6000 RBL-blocks).
Best is to RBL dynamic IPs, open relays etc. pp.
If you allow to receive spam, the spammers will just send more to your addresses. The result is, that you need more resources to process these messages and your users need more time to process the spam and drill down to the single ham that get's caught in the spam-folder for every 100 or 1000 messages.
It's a race you're definitely going to lose.
I don't believe that RBLing even violates the law in Germany. On the same basis, firewalls could be ruled illegal, because they can block mail-connections (if you firewall some script-kiddie).
I'm not from GB, but IIRC you cannot actually be in possession of a weapon. After a killing-spree of some maniac some years ago, legislation was inacted that required practically all citizens to give up any weapon they had.
It's it bit more lax in Germany (where I come from). You've basically got to join a shooting-club and then you can have a gun (provided you have no previous convictions etc.).
All this didn't stop lot's of people to buy illegal weapons here...but in GB, horrendous penalties are impending.
Buy shares in companies that deal or lease fax-machines !
When the internet gets shut down for a maintenance-period, their business will go through the roof.
And don't forget to reserve enough machines for yourself, or your business might go through the toilet:-)
on the last line of his CV. I mean, I'd rather employ somebody from Microsoft for my OSS-business than somebody who has been with SCO through most of this. At least, with the MSFT-guy, I feel I have a higher chance that he can do more than just sue and be a notorious sad dog, so to speak.
I do so like arguing with people whose sole experience with Linux is based on hearsay and what they read on the Internet.:-)
Thank you. I work at a SuSE Premier Partner and I have access to all the Enterprise-products.
Anyway, to correct you - you can download free versions of SuSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, etc. from the appropriate web sites; you can then download (probably limited) updates from their sites or get what you need elsewhere on the Internet.
You can get an eval-version of SLES from Novell's website, but that's very new.
And you can't get updates for SLES "from the internet".
I don't know of RedHat, but I failed to locate a copy of RHAS elsewhere but the edonkey2000 network...
And the situation for updates is probably the same: Whatever you install, you lose the certification if it's not from the vendor.
SuSE does not make money making a Linux distro, it makes money from support contracts and Linux deployments. It therefore does not have too many concerns about who runs their distro unless they can sell services with it. Standard business practice.
SuSE (and RedHat) do make money by selling the enterprise-versions of their distibutions.
I hate argueing with people who haven't really read the posting they are replying to.
Like it's already the case with the Enterprise products from SuSE (and RH, I presume).
It's only a small step from the status-quo anyway.
But it would bring a bit more honesty to the debate of the cost of running Windows vs. Linux/BSD;-)
BTW: SuSE is (currently) very lax with regards to the licensing of their Enterprise-products. They have a "We trust you not to do silly things"-attitude.
Move your domain or account to a real provider who does:
- virus-checking (I don't have to wade through almost 600 viruses per month just by using clamav on the server)
- RBL'ing of all the open proxies, open relays and dynamic IP-address-space (~5000 "hits" per month for me - potential spam that never even enters my server)
- and filter the rest of mail via Spamassassin
This way, I get only 5-10 spams per day or so and most of it is pre-filtered into my Spam-folder on the server. The rest is collected by mozilla, mostly and moved into the "spam-train"-folder, where sa-learn will take it from time to time.
That doesn't do anything about the bounces, but it improves the situation very, very much. Since I've done that, email is (almost) just like it used to be in 1995.
1) bust all warez-d00ds 2) people will suddenly run-in shop doors to pay for things they previously only warez'd 3) profit !!
?
Who can be that naive ? If people can't get their hands on SQL-server anymore, they'll use something else - maybe even Postgresql or Mysql. And anybody can download Oracle for free.
I think, everybody should pay for his software (or her software), in accordance with the license-agreement. If you cannot pay, look for something else. If you don't like the EULA (media-player), look for something else. If you think, the software is "not worth" the money it costs (like MS-Office), then don't buy it, buy something that offers better value, like perhaps Staroffice7.
My guess is that these slides also go to print. And for that, they need to be in a "printer-friendly" format, that allows colour-separation, proofing etc. MS-Office need not apply here;-)
PDF/PS and QXD still rule this market, and apparently also the PR-agencies of MSFT;-)
inda a PITA to manually "check mail" over my dialup so that the outgoing messages actually go out
No, you just have to authenticate before you send your mail via your ISP. Can be done in if-up or whatever you use - I guess it can even be done in Windoze.
Much easier to just let the local SMTP server do the sending.
You can still use your local SMTP-server - we've got many customers who run full-featured mail-servers in their intranets but have no leased lines and pull the mail in via POP3. You just have to use your ISPs MX as relay.
Else you'll be faced with the fact that more and more MXs will just RBL your mail.
Today I received 1681 emails, 137 of which are non-spam.
You should really look into using some RBLs to block the spam at the sender-level.
I run my own MX and I drop 5000 to 6000 connections to my SMTP-port per month, mostly because they are either confirmed open relays, open proxies or from dialup dynamic IPs.
Are you aware that accepting such mail is the equivalent of accepting not prepaid letters (snail-mail) ? How many of those are you going to accept before you stop doing that completely ?
Only ignorant wannabes run an SMTP-server on a dialup line, or people with viruses that have their own SMTP-engine.;-)
..that e.g. SuSE (with their Enterprise Software) offers something similar:
during the time you have a maintenance contract
- which is required to actually download
patches - you can also upgrade to a newer
version of the product, if it is available.
So you actually pay for the maintenance and get
upgrades "free".
Microsoft should do the same, then people would stop whining. At least for the above reason;-)
Were Linux in a dominant position instead, we might well be seeing similar stories about a few high profile sites struggling with an attempted switch to Windows...
I don't think so. GTK, QT etc. are all available in Win32-land. And most of the OpenSource software you and I use is already ported to Win32.
It's only difficult getting away from Microsoft-written apps, because they are almost the only software-company left that doesn't offer at least some of their products on Linux/Unix.
For those a little bit envolved in this transition, that comes as no surprise. E.g. some departments are already running AD and have been issued permissions to run this setup for 2 or 3 more years. Other factors are lots of home-grown VB-apps that need to be ported or converted into Webapps, with the added complexity that there's no budget and virtually no knowledge about how to do that...
Nevertheless, the city will not go back (I hope), because the decision *does* make sense. Just not for Steve Balmer. But that should come as no surprise, either.
The DVD was handed out at LinuxTag 2003 in Karlsruhe, Germany, as a bonus you got for your admittance fee. It didn't like to boot from my SCSI-DVD drive, though, so it sat largely unused on my desk.
Ed White, Roger Chafee and Virgil (Gus) Grissom died in a fire during a pre-launch test of Apollo 1 on January 27, 1967. Their capsule was filled with pure oxygen
Some months before that particular accident, a similar one happened in the (then) USSR. But as Russia kept it secret, the US were bound to make that mistake, too.
Competition is good, if you allow the others to learn from your mistakes, and vice-versa.
When we want feedback from you we want it on a couple of slides. We don't want to know how you tweaked your code to get 1% performance increase. We want to know how we're progressing and if there are any show-stopping problems.
All true and understood, but the real problem is when websites don't contain anything else than marketing fluff.
Just imagine the Oracle website without OTN. Or Microsoft without KB and MSDN. I mean, yes, you could make a buying-decision based on the "fluff" of the corporate pages, but that wouldn't help anybody to actually run the product - or give some of your subordinates a chance to look at it and make sure it actually fits your business needs and give you your beloved Go/No-Go answer;-)
That's the real problem most people have with websites with "zero content".
Slashdot Mirror
That's OK, but the user still has to work through hundrets of messages per month (or even thousands - I block 600 viruses alone for me and more than 6000 RBL-blocks).
Best is to RBL dynamic IPs, open relays etc. pp.
If you allow to receive spam, the spammers will just send more to your addresses. The result is, that you need more resources to process these messages and your users need more time to process the spam and drill down to the single ham that get's caught in the spam-folder for every 100 or 1000 messages.
It's a race you're definitely going to lose.
I don't believe that RBLing even violates the law in Germany. On the same basis, firewalls could be ruled illegal, because they can block mail-connections (if you firewall some script-kiddie).
Rainer
I'm not from GB, but IIRC you cannot actually be in possession of a weapon. After a killing-spree of some maniac some years ago, legislation was inacted that required practically all citizens to give up any weapon they had.
It's it bit more lax in Germany (where I come from). You've basically got to join a shooting-club and then you can have a gun (provided you have no previous convictions etc.).
All this didn't stop lot's of people to buy illegal weapons here...but in GB, horrendous penalties are impending.
When the internet gets shut down for a maintenance-period, their business will go through the roof.
And don't forget to reserve enough machines for yourself, or your business might go through the toilet
He is right.
But IIRC there's a fixed boot-disk available now.
Yes
Big deal. It was recognized last week or so.
..who's gonna employ somebody who has
".... - 2004: Santa Cruz Corporation"
on the last line of his CV.
I mean, I'd rather employ somebody from Microsoft for my OSS-business than somebody who has been with SCO through most of this.
At least, with the MSFT-guy, I feel I have a higher chance that he can do more than just sue and be a notorious sad dog, so to speak.
I really pitty for those getting sacked.
Rainer
Thank you. I work at a SuSE Premier Partner and I have access to all the Enterprise-products.
Anyway, to correct you - you can download free versions of SuSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, etc. from the appropriate web sites; you can then download (probably limited) updates from their sites or get what you need elsewhere on the Internet.
You can get an eval-version of SLES from Novell's website, but that's very new.
And you can't get updates for SLES "from the internet".
I don't know of RedHat, but I failed to locate a copy of RHAS elsewhere but the edonkey2000 network...
And the situation for updates is probably the same: Whatever you install, you lose the certification if it's not from the vendor.
SuSE does not make money making a Linux distro, it makes money from support contracts and Linux deployments. It therefore does not have too many concerns about who runs their distro unless they can sell services with it. Standard business practice.
SuSE (and RedHat) do make money by selling the enterprise-versions of their distibutions.
I hate argueing with people who haven't really read the posting they are replying to.
Rainer
Like it's already the case with the Enterprise products from SuSE (and RH, I presume).
;-)
It's only a small step from the status-quo anyway.
But it would bring a bit more honesty to the debate of the cost of running Windows vs. Linux/BSD
BTW: SuSE is (currently) very lax with regards to the licensing of their Enterprise-products. They have a "We trust you not to do silly things"-attitude.
Rainer
Move your domain or account to a real provider who does:
- virus-checking (I don't have to wade through almost 600 viruses per month just by using clamav on the server)
- RBL'ing of all the open proxies, open relays and dynamic IP-address-space (~5000 "hits" per month for me - potential spam that never even enters my server)
- and filter the rest of mail via Spamassassin
This way, I get only 5-10 spams per day or so and most of it is pre-filtered into my Spam-folder on the server.
The rest is collected by mozilla, mostly and moved into the "spam-train"-folder, where sa-learn will take it from time to time.
That doesn't do anything about the bounces, but it improves the situation very, very much.
Since I've done that, email is (almost) just like it used to be in 1995.
Rainer
Does anybody in BSA et.al actually think that
1) bust all warez-d00ds
2) people will suddenly run-in shop doors to pay for things they previously only warez'd
3) profit !!
?
Who can be that naive ?
If people can't get their hands on SQL-server anymore, they'll use something else - maybe even Postgresql or Mysql.
And anybody can download Oracle for free.
I think, everybody should pay for his software (or her software), in accordance with the license-agreement.
If you cannot pay, look for something else.
If you don't like the EULA (media-player), look for something else.
If you think, the software is "not worth" the money it costs (like MS-Office), then don't buy it, buy something that offers better value, like perhaps Staroffice7.
Rainer
You must be new here.
;-)
My guess is that these slides also go to print. ;-)
;-)
And for that, they need to be in a "printer-friendly" format, that allows colour-separation, proofing etc.
MS-Office need not apply here
PDF/PS and QXD still rule this market, and apparently also the PR-agencies of MSFT
Rainer
You know, "competition increases quality".
I already hate TV. What am I supposed to do if the internet gets as trashy as TV ? Go to the library and read Plato, Sokrates and Aristoteles ?
Rainer
No, you just have to authenticate before you send your mail via your ISP. Can be done in if-up or whatever you use - I guess it can even be done in Windoze.
Much easier to just let the local SMTP server do the sending.
You can still use your local SMTP-server - we've got many customers who run full-featured mail-servers in their intranets but have no leased lines and pull the mail in via POP3. You just have to use your ISPs MX as relay.
Else you'll be faced with the fact that more and more MXs will just RBL your mail.
You should really look into using some RBLs to block the spam at the sender-level.
I run my own MX and I drop 5000 to 6000 connections to my SMTP-port per month, mostly because they are either confirmed open relays, open proxies or from dialup dynamic IPs.
Are you aware that accepting such mail is the equivalent of accepting not prepaid letters (snail-mail) ? How many of those are you going to accept before you stop doing that completely ?
Only ignorant wannabes run an SMTP-server on a dialup line, or people with viruses that have their own SMTP-engine. ;-)
Rainer
First, SuSE 7.0 until it EOLed.
Then FreeBSD 4-STABLE, still with modem.
Now: ADSL behind a NATing wireless router.
Still FreeBSD (4.9p3).
And don't give them root, of course.
No breakins, no backdoors, no dialers, no malware and no viruses and other BS for 4 years.
How would I admin windoze for my parents for free, when I don't even like to do that for money ?
Rainer
..that e.g. SuSE (with their Enterprise Software) offers something similar:
;-)
during the time you have a maintenance contract
- which is required to actually download
patches - you can also upgrade to a newer
version of the product, if it is available.
So you actually pay for the maintenance and get
upgrades "free".
Microsoft should do the same, then people would stop whining. At least for the above reason
try going to http://php.net for example
Well, perhaps he has only firewalled incoming connections.
At least, that's what I'd do, if I'd firewall them off.
A Toronoto newspaper says that Steve Balmer says that Munich is having trouble switching to Linux. Boy, that's great investigative journalism there.
The primary source is German: c't.
Slashdot's audience is anglo-american, primarily, and the useless Babelfish-translations of this article would only have added to the confusion.
I don't think so. GTK, QT etc. are all available in Win32-land. And most of the OpenSource software you and I use is already ported to Win32.
It's only difficult getting away from Microsoft-written apps, because they are almost the only software-company left that doesn't offer at least some of their products on Linux/Unix.
For those a little bit envolved in this transition, that comes as no surprise.
E.g. some departments are already running AD and have been issued permissions to run this setup for 2 or 3 more years.
Other factors are lots of home-grown VB-apps that need to be ported or converted into Webapps, with the added complexity that there's no budget and virtually no knowledge about how to do that...
Nevertheless, the city will not go back (I hope), because the decision *does* make sense. Just not for Steve Balmer.
But that should come as no surprise, either.
Rainer
Then they should use RHEL
I personally know companies that still use and deploy redhat 5.2.
That's a pretty stupid move, IMHO. They should've used Solaris 2.6 then. It's still (a bit) supported, though moving to EOL fast.
Rainer
...but Osama might still be interested.
The DVD was handed out at LinuxTag 2003 in Karlsruhe, Germany, as a bonus you got for your admittance fee.
It didn't like to boot from my SCSI-DVD drive, though, so it sat largely unused on my desk.
Rainer
Some months before that particular accident, a similar one happened in the (then) USSR. But as Russia kept it secret, the US were bound to make that mistake, too.
Competition is good, if you allow the others to learn from your mistakes, and vice-versa.
Rainer
All true and understood, but the real problem is when websites don't contain anything else than marketing fluff. ;-)
Just imagine the Oracle website without OTN. Or Microsoft without KB and MSDN. I mean, yes, you could make a buying-decision based on the "fluff" of the corporate pages, but that wouldn't help anybody to actually run the product - or give some of your subordinates a chance to look at it and make sure it actually fits your business needs and give you your beloved Go/No-Go answer
That's the real problem most people have with websites with "zero content".
Rainer