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Knoppix 3.3 Update, 3.4 C't Edition Are Out
hkfczrqj writes "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't edition is out (torrent here). It is supposed to have kernel 2.6!" And it does. If you're looking for a way to test your setup with a 2.6 kernel without trashing a current install, this is a good way -- but note that the ct edition Knoppix boots into German (Shift-0 gets you an =, as in "lang=us") and kernel 2.4; you'll need to type "knoppix26" at startup to boot the new kernel. (You may find the excellent forums at knoppix.net helpful, too.) Update: 02/10 01:03 GMT by T : Note that the XFree version is really 4.3, not 3.4.
The download mirrors still have a packages-dvd.txt file listing all the packages of the DVD version. But is this version available for download somewhere (with DVD burners becoming more and more common, I would assume, that this image should appear somewhere as well...
Alas - the packages-dvd.txt is pretty old - does that mean, the DVD doesn't get updated any more? (Again - I think it would be a shame - it would be really great to have a really filled up live system that could be used to REALLY show off linux some more...
that's quite a step back ;)
it has 4.3
It seems like other distributions have been following in the way of Knoppix... I tried MandrakeMove but Knoppix really blows it away. Can't wait to see what Gentoo's catalyst bootCD maker turns out like... :)
Scorta futuere amo!
Distrowatch weekly has a list of distros that contain the 2.6 kernel:
# Fedora Core, development branch (2.6.1)
# Mandrake Linux 10.0-beta2 (2.6.2rc3)
# Debian unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.0)
# Gentoo unstable, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Arch Linux 0.6 (development), not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Sorcerer, not the default kernel (2.6.2)
# Conectiva Linux 10-TP2 (2.6.1)
# Magic Linux 1.2pre5, a Chinese desktop distribution (2.6.0)
# Berry Linux 0.36, a Japanese live CD (2.6.2rc3)
# Bluewall Linux 1.0, a minimalist distribution (2.6.0)
# JoLinux 1.0, a Slackware-based Brazilian desktop distribution (2.6.0)
# knoppiXMAME 1.2, a bootable arcade machine emulator (2.6.1)
# LinuxNetwosix 1.0, a specialist live CD for security operations (2.6.1)
# Shark Linux 1.06-beta2, a minimalist distribution for AMD-64, in early development (2.6.1)
Shut your pi hole!
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
I don't know what kind of problems you've had...
The only "problem" I've had with Knoppix was, that it didn't figure out, what kind of display resolution my Thinkpad A30P could do (1600x1200)... BUT - just the fact, that Knoppix 3.0 was able to boot off a notebook and recognize most of the hardware - that was something I found pretty impressive. Especially bearing in mind the kind of setup problems a lot of people HAVE with notebooks and their special hardware.
Also, I recently showed some people at my last job Knoppix 3.2 - and even there it booted off without a hitch on the Dell Latitude notebooks they've had in their offices...
wh000h000 fast!
i tion-january-22nd-2004.iso.README
i tion-january-22nd-2004.iso.md5
i tion-january-22nd-2004.iso
download 3.4 c't heise edition from here:
http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-ed
http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-ed
http://www.stuwo.net/temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-ed
bandwidth saturation to be seen here
http://php.stuwo.net
Shouldn't shift and 0 yield a right parenthesis with lang=us? Because of this, I'm guessing that Knoppix actually boots into lang=not_us.
True story.
I thought I knew geek speek, but the line "Knoppix has two more children. The first, 3.3-2004-02-09, an update with kernel 2.4-24-xfs, KDE 3.1.5, Mozilla 1.6, XFree 3.4. Also, and more important I guess, Knoppix 3.4 c't",
with its oddly placed apostrophes, version numbers with more than one dot, *ix variation, and references to kids and corn even threw ME for a loop!
Because MandrakeMove freezes durning hardware detection and Knoppix doesn't?
Mandrake certainly doesn't like something about this setup:
Dual Xeon
Intel IHC5R w/ 875P chipset (ASUS PC-DL Deluxe)
NVidia FX5900
SATA RAID
1G RAM
--Phillip
Can you say BIRTH TAX
Well, I've had a much better hit rate. Usually it is laptops with weird video cips that don;t go, and that can be cured by turning off APM and exotic video as per the Knoppix boot help menu.
:v)
Vik
Simple question to the current people moderating this article - how can a QUESTION article be rated 'informative'? Aren't questions more about GETTING information rather than GIVING information? *g*
Anyone know how to upgrade a hard drive install to the latest kernel/features? I'm most concerned about the kernel.
This is great and all, but why would I do this when I have MandrakeMove?
I found MandrakeMove to be too dumbed down - menu items like "browse the web" for a web browser seemed to be aimed at complete newbies. It also required more input during the boot process, tho maybe that can be skipped if you save configuration.
Knoppix is definitely a better tool for power users, and still does a great job for new users (it passed the "can my parents use it" test!).
the complete info about the 3.4 c't heise edition can be found here
w w.heise.de/ct/04/04/124/</A>
... ... mit N Bit Farbtiefe
/ ">http://www.heise.de/ct/ftp/projekte/knoppix/</a>
<a href="http://www.heise.de/ct/04/04/124/">http://w
comes with 2.6.1 AND 2.4.x kernel, be sure to check c't website for extended bootcodes
Bootoptionen und -parameter
Bootoptionen
knoppix Standard-Image, startet den Kernel 2.4
knoppix26 startet den Kernel 2.6
fb800x600
fb1024x768
fb1280x1024 Framebuffer-Modus fur Notebooks mit einer Auflosung von 800 x 600, 1024 x 768 oder 1280 x 1024 Pixeln
Parameter zur Hardwareerkennung
testcd CD auf Fehler uberprufen
noscsi
nopcmcia
nousb
noagp
noddc Hardwareerkennung fur SCSI-, PCMCIA-, USB-, AGP-Gerate, Monitor abschalten
noapic
noapm
nopnpbios APIC-Controller, Powermanagement, PnPBIOS nicht benutzen
nodma DMA-Beschleunigung fur Massenspeicher deaktivieren
screen=XxY Bildschirmauflosung des Desktop XxY Pixel
depth=N
vsync=N Bildwiederholfrequenz N Hz
hsync=N horizontale Bildschirmfrequenz N kHz
vga=normal Standard-VGA-Auflosung beim Booten
alsa ALSA- statt OSS-Audio-Treiber
blind brltty=Treiber,Device,Table Betrieb mit Braille-Terminal (nahere Informationen unter [2])
Sonstige Parameter
noswap keine Swap-Dateien/-Partitionen auf der Platte verwenden
desktop=X Desktop X verwenden (kde, gnome, icewm, wmaker, twm)
2 keine grafische Oberflache starten (Runlevel 2)
home=/dev/X permanentes Homeverzeichnis von Gerat X lesen (etwa hda1 fur erste Partition der ersten IDE-Festplatte)
home=scan alle Datentrager nach permanentem Homeverzeichnis absuchen
myconfig=/dev/X gespeicherte Knoppix-Konfiguration von Gerat X lesen (beispielsweise sda1 fur USB-Stick)
myconfig=scan alle Datentrager nach Knoppix-Konfiguration absuchen
lang=X Systemsprache setzen (us fur amerikanisch, nl fur hollandisch und so weiter)
Spezielle Bootoptionen ohne weitere Parameter
memtest Speichertestprogramm
expert interaktives Setup, Kernel 2.4
expert26 interaktives Setup, Kernel 2.6
failsafe keine Hardwareerkennung, Kernel 2.4
even more pages at c't/heise for their special knoppix 3.4 edition
<a href="http://www.heise.de/ct/ftp/projekte/knoppix
The DVD was never really publically distributed. It was created for a german conference last year sometime where it was distributed to attendees. Nobody ever seemed to have the desire and the bandwidth to put it online.
Never underestimate the dark side of the Source
But the Mac is a production machine for me, it would be bad to have something like filesystem corruption happen. It would be great if I could test it with a distro like Knoppix, but I would need it to have all powerpc binaries.
Is there such a beast?
Request your free CD of my piano music.
It would probably run faster as well since DVD's go up to 16x which is ~ 20MB/s vs CD's 52x at 7.6MB/s.
There's a conflict between your RAM blocks and your chipset.
;-)
You should either remove your chipset or all of your RAM.
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
Is Gnome included? What version?
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
Used to think linux would be a pain in the ass to use then I tried knoppix. I like it alot. realy simple to use. I still need to finish building my linux box thu.
Would have been nice if they added KDE 3.2 to the mix. Til then, I'll keep watching and waiting.
(it passed the "can my parents use it" test!).
...
That may or may not be impressive depending on what your parents do. My experience with Knoppix is that you parents have better be computer engineers
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Yep
On Klaus Knopper's visit to New York City. He made a special edition of the distro just for New York's LUG. You will have to find a link of it on your own (being that it will cost some poor LUGer money for the bandwidth, heh)
What a man! He really is a nice guy! We sure were thrilled and happy
Sunny Dubey
Just put the rest on your own web site, and post a link to Slashdot...
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Gnome is included, 2.4 I believe.
:), I run into problems when I try to run Gnome and specify lang=us -- I just get a blank screen. My German should be enough to let me muddle through, though, soon I will see what happens when I specify desktop=gnome without trying to do it in English ...
However, on my own system (not the one I'm typing from
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
In my day, we had to write our bootable Linux cd's by hand... with only a hex editor --in German.
Have you tried the "toram" cheat code on that thing? It must be amazing. For any of you who don't know the "toram" cheatcode copies the compressed file system to ram and runs from there.
yeah, i bought it with the ct magazine. theres a big story about the usability of linux and that its ready for the desktop and such stuff we already know. there are also some tips how to take every advantage of this distribution. they really support the idea behind knoppix: to give everyone a linux who just wants to try it out. but i still would get mad if i had to work with it, because it starts from cd. so i'm using some easy to install linux -- mandrake (of course there are other easy-to-install destributions). i think there should be more efforts for the harddisk installation of knoppix and the over-all system configuration. what everyone needs is an easy-to-install, easy-to-update, and easy-to-configure linux. an easy-to-try linux makes big promotion but it isn't something to do your work with.
I took my first venture into Linux with the boot from CD Knoppix. I've been comfortable on every platform since Apple][ and I've worked with UNIX, but I couldn't get the Mo'fo to boot on my 1998 ThinkPad. Anyone want to save me some time and tell me if there is a known problem with IBM, or ThinkPads in specific? I know it sounds stupid, but that stuff happens from time to time on proprietary systems - so I'm asking. Any history at all w/ IBM BIOS on ThinkPad.
RTFM me all you want, just spare the cat. And Thanks in Advance.
Stuff that matters.
xfree 3.4? now that's ancient.
You can get Knoppix to work just fine with your A30p:
knoppix screen=1600x1200 xvrefresh=60
'nunthin like Celestia on a 1600x1200 screen that 15" large - the perceived resolution is awsome.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
My comp sci teacher today was asking em some questions about linux, he just got a hand me down g3 iMac and was inquiring about linux on it, i told him about yellow dog, but i wasn't sure if there was a live distro for ppc. Could anyone point me to a PPC version of knoppix or something?
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
I don't understand how afraid people can be to try out new kernels..
Reboot, boot your new kernel, and you're done!
If it doesnt work, its not the end of the world. Look at the output, see where it's failing, and go back and change your config.
I have an old slow cd drive installed on my computer, a Memorex CRW-1622. A problem I've had with Knoppix is that it won't boot up on this machine because apparently the packing/compression method it uses to put all that software on one CD is too slow for the OS to unpack when it is booting up on a slow CD drive, causing all types of errors.
I've enjoyed it on other machines though. If anyone has any suggestions for a workawhile, I'd be able to download the new version.
The c't version is German centric, of course, because it's a German-language magazine ...
...
...
Some people on the forums at knoppix.net have said they're working on (or at least thinking about) remastering this version, and I bet an English-default version will likely come out of that. So scan those forums, and an English torrent will probably appear in the coming weeks
According to predictions there, based on previous knoppix release cycles, probably a 2.6-based official Knoppix version will come out in March or early April
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
And the magic words are: "not that old". Try again on 20 PCs a little older.
Lars T.
To the guy who modded me down from perfect to terrible Karma - Apple haters still suck
It might be helpful to the Knoppix (and Kudzu) developers if you could send them the specifications of these machines that "don't work".
Are you sure that you are using a good CD? I have used Knoppix on at least 50 completely different systems, different brands, ages, hardware, peripherals, etc, and have had almost no issues at all. In fact I frequently have to rely on Knoppix to figure out what drivers and settings I need when I am trying to install other distributions.
Frequently, some distribution or another won't detect a piece of hardware. I simply boot Knoppix, make a note of the drivers and their parameters and then specify them manually when installing the other distribution. Most recently I tried installing SuSE on a Compaq Proliant 3000. SuSE loaded a Compaq NIC driver but it would not activate the card. Knoppix had no problem with the card, or the Compaq Array controller, DLT tape library, or anything else. But, in the case of the NIC card, Knoppix chose an Intel driver instead of the Compaq driver that SuSE had chosen. I configured SuSE to use the same Intel driver and it worked fine from there on.
Frankly I am most annoyed by the various popular distributions because they each seem to have their own problems detecting hardware yet, Knoppix repeatedly has no such problem. I am constantly asking why the various distributions don't use Knoppix' hardware detection instead. And yes, I've had issues with Slack as well.
Any chance you have a sources.list that works for a hdinstall? I managed to munge mine up pretty good trying to get sources that weren't www.blahblah.de
For Christ's sake. It's version 3.3 and I still can't figure out how to install this thing on my computer.
Bow, nigger. h
Ah, thank you much for the reply...I was thinking it had only german on the cd...I get it now, and so I'm downloading it. :)
Torrent for Knoppix 3.3 availible here
Karma: Bizzare (mostly affected by varying internal caffeine levels.)
You probably screwed up the CD burn, or bought a dud disk.
Try burning a new disk on a machine with a known good CD burner. And check the MD5 on the ISO image you downloaded.
English torrents for 3.3
http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/
Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
Does anyone know if either 3.3 or 3.4 c/t have had the iswraid patched against their kernel so one can access raid arrays created by the Intel ICH5-R?
;-)
I would check but their forums are kind of slow right now for some reason
LW.
I've run Knoppix with no problem on several brandnew Poweredge servers from Dell and several brandnew desktop machines. I think your feeding the troll.
Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
Problems I've had with Knoppix 3.2 include crashes, reproducible especially with USB devices. Plugging in any wireless card will cause a kernel freeze, be it on my trusty PII BX440 system, to the flash-bang state of the art one.. still a way to go it seems.
servers tend not to do as many weird things.
standard scsi, standard ethernet, video.
you can normally run a stock debian on em without compiling strange modules..
laptops on the other hand...
'There is a Light that never goes out.'
interesting, that would be a lot of bandwidth. perhaps they could just _sell_ the dvd's. they don't have to offer free downloads. let other people host the torrent or what ever after a few people buy it. heck it's probably easier to pay 5$ than to download 4gb software.
Too bad that Knoppix does not support NTFS write. I want it to boot up my laptop and use openoffice and other tools and be able to write files to my NTFS partition... Any ideas?
It's Debian. Use Apt-get. You can find sources here:
r nel-ima ge-2.6-686
# Kernel 2.6.0
http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/ke
deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-image-2.6.0-i386
deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-source-2.6.0
deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable kernel-source-2.6.0
To answer your question directly, I do not believe that upgrade functionality exists in the Knoppix distribution.
While I'm sure you can see how buggy filesystem code might cause this, perhaps you don't see how this could happen from any code in the kernel at all.
Well, one way is for a pointer error in, say, a network driver to overwrite some disk data buffers with random garbage. Then the data gets saved to disk.
I've read of this happening on the linux-kernel list.
Even journaling filesystems won't help for this. While journals can protect against power loss or crashes, the filesystems do make the assumption that any metadata committed to disk is correct.
Request your free CD of my piano music.
Somebody rate the parent "Informative". You know you want to...
Probably the Serial ATA isn't supported. You'll need to downgrade to MFM drives for 100% Linux compatibility.
We had to carve the digital depressions in a molten-sand glass CD with a stone knife, not to mention start the laser beam with sparks from flintstones!
Despite that, those were good times... there were no windows, just holes... hmm, nothing changed, it seems...
SUSE 9.0 can also be used with 2.6. It is packaged on the install media, but not the default, and you have to install the rpm from the CLI. Everybody who wants to use it should be able to figure out how to do that;-)
Great, so that must mean you're employed..
- It's not the Macs I hate. It's Digg users. -
I'm not sure if you are being serious or not. Can you elaborate?
I use it daily running Debian, so I'm pretty sure it is OK with Linux...
--Phillip
Can you say BIRTH TAX
What about a distro that makes dual booting with Windows easy, for those of us who like what we see on the live cds but like to play games, or aren't quite willing to switch over completely for some other reason?
Why do you need all that shit to play bsd-games?
After you boot the CD and have it running, you can
run knxinstall (ymmv, the name has shifted a bit)
to get a script that will install onto the hard
drive.
You can also install "halfway", and put the CD files
onto the HD, and use it from there as if it were the
CD. You really should see the knoppix web sites if
you want to make a permanent install. The original knoppix
was aimed at demo use, and the HD install was minimal.
There have been improved versions added.
It was a joke ...
You can't remove your chipset without ruining your motherboard, and removing all of your RAM pretty much renders the computer useless as anything but a space heater.
We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
This looks nice. I'll download it when the heat dies down a bit.
...)
Now we've got the following live CDs:
- Knoppix; perfect geek distro, just about every geek tool in one place. The Swiss Army knife distro
- Mepis; excellent end-user distro, exactly the Linux distro for mum and dad
- Morphix; customisable distro, put whatever you want on it
IMHO, the missing one is the "live server" CD. You boot from this and you get Linux servers, not workstation tools. It should have the following features:
- stable/testing versions of all common servers (e.g. Apache, Postgres, MySQL, Zope, iptables, sshd, Postfix, courier-pop, Samba,
- support for all the server-class hardware out there (e.g. RAID cards, SCSI/SATA discs, etc.)
- when booted from CD, all servers are enabled but discs aren't mounted by default. You can have a play around with it, but you have to go out of your way to hurt yourself
- when booted from disc, all servers are disabled but all discs are mounted. Login for the first time as root and you get asked "Which of the following services would you like to enable?"...
- best-of-class GUI config tools for the servers for both Windows and Linux. Once you've installed the server, you then use the tools on the CD on a workstation to configure it
- tools to migrate existing data from proprietary solutions (e.g. email and mailing lists from MS Exchange, ). These could run on client workstations rather than on the server, if required; obviously they wouldn't automate the migration, but anything that could reduce the workload would be worth considering
- support for reading/writing configurations to USB key. Installs can run unattended using configs stored on the USB key. This would allow you to install fleets of identical servers (e.g. Web farm) quickly
I'm sure there's other requirements you could come up with, but this would let you quickly put an entire data centre together. MS in particular would find it hard to compete with this.
Well said.
I figured the second part was a joke... but wasn't sure if the first part fell within the same scope.
Thanks for the clarification.
--Phillip
Can you say BIRTH TAX
From what I hear, debian is going to begin merging a lot of knoppix into debian-installer once they get it to the point that it works and will install the distribution on most machines.
And for those wondering why debian just doesnt switch to using knoppix as the installer instead of d-i? The main problem with debian is that they thankfully have chosen to support 11 different archs. That means that they need an installer that will install on all those archs and that is a pretty hard task. Also they support installs over a serial port, tftp, cdroms, and bacically anything that the computer will boot off of and load a kernel. That is definately a good thing when your trying to get debian installed on a machine several hundred miles away from you.
"We Don't Need No Truthless Heros!" - Project 86
Oh wait, you'd rather just whine from the sidelines! I see, well, enjoy Longhorn when it comes out!
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
Asshumper.
>bandwidth saturation to be seen here
:)
No. No it's not.
The browser timed out while trying to connect to the specified site. The site may be experiencing high loads that are slowing it down...
Actually, the first fully official version of Knoppix 3.4 is slated to come out at CeBit (March 18-24), as per Klaus Knopper's mailing list message.
The trouble with a live server CD is that sooner or later one of those services is going to have a remote exploit (and if you're shipping with everything enabled, the chance of this is significantly increased.) And once an exploit is available, you're only a hop, skip, and a jump away from anyone who tests the CD having the contents of their hard drive trashed (or worse.)
Mozilla 1.6 isn't bad, but I'd rather see Mozilla Firefox added to Knoppix. That's the one of the few must-have programs that Knoppix is missing right now, and would increase the value of this distro if it was included.
Nice visualization of the /. effect. Daily graph explodes at posting time of parent ;-)
(To mix a metaphor ;))
:))
"This looks nice. I'll download it when the heat dies down a bit."
If you're getting a torrent, you'll probably grab it faster while a lot of others are getting it, too.
Yesterday I finally joined the bittorent fad, found it worked well (that was using the OS X bittorrent client, which was dead easy to install and use
The live-server idea is great.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Here are the links to the knoppix ct' ISO image if you want to download from p2p networks like edonkey,gnutella,kazaa 1>MAGNET programs (many Gnutella programs ) magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:XORFDKAHZGNEESRPVVIEDJZ55OBZD4 KP&dn=KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso
2>EDonkey2000 and Overnet:
ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|719181 824|658f08cb71b760b18bae86d6011d481c|
3>Older versions of Kazaa / Grokster / IMesh (requires sig2dat utility):
sig2dat://|File: KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|Length: 719181824 Bytes, 702326KB|UUHash: =LkzblOhtGwyzNztqKDRpWpd+wjA=|
When I try to download the torrent, I get the error "got bad file info -". Anybody what the problem is?
500
Posting it one more time as formatting got screwed d up
B ZD4 KP&dn=KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso
. iso|719181 824|658f08cb71b760b18bae86d6011d481c|
Here are the links to the knoppix ct' ISO image if you want to download from p2p networks like edonkey,gnutella,kazaa
1>MAGNET programs (many Gnutella programs )
magnet:?xt=urn:sha1:XORFDKAHZGNEESRPVVIEDJZ55O
2>EDonkey2000 and Overnet:
ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE
3>Older versions of Kazaa / Grokster / IMesh (requires sig2dat utility):
sig2dat://|File: KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|Length: 719181824 Bytes, 702326KB|UUHash: =LkzblOhtGwyzNztqKDRpWpd+wjA=|
:-(
403 Forbidden /temp/knoppix-3.4-heise-ct-edition-january-22nd-20 04.iso
on this server.
You don't have permission to access
Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.stuwo.net Port 80
How many legs does that browser have?
Firefox? I thought it was Firebird
Following the link myself... HUH??? What happen? Somebody set up us the bomb? But who? The database?
apt-get install browser-formerly-known-as-firebird?
Wasn't it called phoenix before, and then renamed because they found a PC-related company with that name? So the new version will create a ~/.phoenix, a ~/.mozilla-firebird and a ~/.mozilla-firefox directory including the resulting babelonian confusions?
Did they realize that there already exists a joystick with the name firefox? And a Game PC with the name firefox? And even a Clint Eastwood movie with the name firefox... True to form, there even was a car named firefox, and a tire with that name. Oh, and a company with that name too...
Or will they just switch names again when they figure that out?
And next is the tunderfox?
And then a company in Redmond discovers that somebody already uses the name for their OS to mean glass inside a hole in the wall, causing them to suddenly switch names without thinking of their installed user base? or another company just finding out the name of that big bright thing that lights the sky every day?
Yes, phoenix/firefird/fox is a fine browser, but why the identity problems?
--- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
http://www.boegenielsen.dk:6969/
Humor from a Genetically Molested Mind
I would do that if I had some mod points, then someone would probably get a chuckle and give it a +5 Funny. Of course, no one would get it :-P
--Joey
How well does Knoppix work detecting and setting up external devices like joysticks?
You need to either get rid of one or the other "ly"
Too bad it spits out a 403 error when I try to download it. . .
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Can the disc now boot off of firewire drives. My laptop uses a firewire dvd-rom and I cannot get any live distribution to work so far. Any thoughts?
They sold the remaining DVDs after the conference.
I've heard that the people who wrote Knoppix hardware detector deliberately wrote it without simplifying or documenting the code much.
The logic as it was explained to me, was that they understand it, and they don't want to maintain it for a lot of users - so they don't simplify the code. If someone else were to go over the code, and extract it to a library, than he would need to maintian it.
Do any of them offer KDE 3.2? It's such a great improvement over 3.1 that I can hardly imagine going back to that.
It supports upgrade. Easy as pie. Check knoppix.net or knopper.net forums.
kernel upgrade question
hdinstall forums
Easy way to get Debian running in record time. Mepis is another possibility. I blame them for the renewed popularity of Debian.
No, SATA is supported. You are having problems because the kernel is probably compiled with plug and pray(?) or some other mdk patches, and the Intel BIOS freezes. It does the same on a simple i865PERL board even after BIOS update. I made my own vanilla kernel and no more problems.
Giving 2.6. a spin, Knoppix did not recognize / initialize my network card properly. It also had problem with the agp bus.
Other than that, the C't edition is a beatiful round up of what Knoppix / Linux can do for you.
The only problem which annoys me since I'm working on Linux (> 10 years) is:
FONTS!!!
You should not package an OpenOffice with an unscalale "Times"-Font and other completely unusable Fonts. This turns off newbies and people how are just interested in Linux.
So my suggestion are:
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1 Make sure that _every_ font in the system renders and works perfectly out of the box in OpenOffice, Mozilla and Printing!! If you end up having only 5 fonts available, fine. Than the user knows that she / he has to do some work and get new fonts.
2 Make it easy to install new fonts. Install fonts system wide. Users don't care about a ".fonts" directoy in the home directory.
3 Clean up every menu in the system. Give the best programs the most prominent places in the menu.
All the Best,
Happy Hacking
Martin
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Unfortunately I cannot boot the c't Knoppix CD on my HP Omnibook 4150. I tried every boot option, but even with "failsafe" it hangs looking for the CDROM - although it seems to access it and it spins up, but nothing happens.
That's why I frequently blast (meta moderate) 'informatrive' and 'interesting' moderations. Ths is supposed to be a geek/nerd sight, but with what some slashdotters think is 'interesting' or 'informative' I think he have a potential crop of marketing folk lurking around here.
I'm using the fancy experimental client that lets me regulate upload speeds and counts, so I've got it limited to 90% of my upload to avoid trashing other performance. Once it catches up and I've contributed my fair share of uploads, I'll probably switch over to the new Mandrake beta2 or something.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
OK, if the site can really pump a full 1 Gbps, that's ~600 simulateous feeds to people with T1 lines, but you'll still get almost as good performance cranking out Bittorrent feeds, and if you've got lots of excess capacity after that, ADSL users can still leach off of you. Additionally, it avoids the problem of interrupted downloads.
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|719181 824|658f08cb71b760b18bae86d6011d481c|
1 824|658f08cb71b760b18bae86d6011d481c|
ed2k://|file|KNOPPIX_V3.4-2004-01-22-DE.iso|71918
This isn't a troll (and perhaps a little off-topic), but I really don't see the fuss with upgrading to 2.6. The APIs are the same, the only thing that I can see that is different is module loading, but there's a tool that takes care of it automagically.
Is it just not trusting a new kernel until it's been fully hammered out in the field?
Buses stop at a bus station
Trains stop at a train station
On my desk there's a workstation....
Start from there and then roll your own to your liking.
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Any word on weather the 2.6 kernel version has an improved "install to hard disk" option. I've had better success using the Morphix hard disk install than the standard knoppix. I haven't had much luck at all using the (beta?) Debian installer project CD. bezbaq - bez@caffeine.mor.test-labs.net
Had a disk crash (growl) on Wife's Toshiba - No boot. Knoppix booted and I was able to tar most recent versions of MyDocs to a USB thumb drive. Couldn't ls many parts of the disk, but I got the good stuff. Initially tried a slaxlive CD, but it choked trying to run X. Been using Slackware since late 1994. It's solid, but I think Knoppix, being the first(?), is more evolved and polished.
Geccie.
Also note that the german mass computer 'newspaper' (think: Daily Computer Sun) has a Knoppix in it's recent Edition, heavyly addvertising it's Virus safety and vendor spyware / vendor 'all-your-base' registration freeness.
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Here's the link:
http://www.computerbild.de/2004/indexcb.ht
This all is showing a fast growing trend - people switching Linux for safety reasons alone - no matter what Windows addictions or OSS shortcomings they might still have to deal with.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Not to mention the fact that it won't need to use a compressed loopback!
1u servers tend to be less odd than laptops?
You can't even install Debian on a Poweredge without non-standard boot disks. You are very confused about what I'm talking about.
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/. effect. Daily graph explodes at posting time of parent ;-)
it's slashdotted too. Google cache to be seen hereNice visualization of the
My other UID is 1337
From the c't page:
Too complicates, too kryptisch and too little multicolored - not everyday life-suited, Windows Hardliner say about Linux. We tried out, as well Linux laymen master their daily tasks with the free operating system. So that you can make yourselves a picture, gibts the Knoppix on the booklet CD: Start without installation of CD and loose-put!
I looked into the abyss, and the abyss looked into me--and we both winked.
#include "sig.h"
LinuxPPC Live and Knoppix have LiveCD's
plus
CRUX now has a PPC port. It's not live, but it's another option, plus it's slackware-based, not another Debian>Knoppix>Morphix dealy.
for my nephews and my friends kids. They already think the Penguin is the coolest thing ever because I turned them on to Tux Paint. Now add some more kids games, deck FireFox out with big buttons, the Flash plugin (yeah I know there are redistribution issues) and links to stuff like pbskids.org and you have a kid friendly distribution that won't let them screw up the computer. Start giving it away and you're brainwashing a whole new generation of penguinistas.
Bleh!
The DVD was handed out at LinuxTag 2003 in Karlsruhe, Germany, as a bonus you got for your admittance fee.
It didn't like to boot from my SCSI-DVD drive, though, so it sat largely unused on my desk.
Rainer
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
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Beautiful is one thing. Functionality, and de-uglification are another, altogether.
... or http://www.boegenielsen.dk:6969
I found the DVD version of Knoppix (3.2 unfortunately... it was for the thing in Germany) at www.cheaplinux.org for $9.99.
SIG 666 - Signature stolen by the devil
Have to give a shout out to Fabian Franz and the rest of the guys who keep the whole knoppix project
going with new innovations, scripts, and help to
the newbies on freenode IRCs #knoppix channel.
The weekly c't on German TV program reviewed this edition on Monday night.
They reviewed it very favourably: starting out with clear statement that windows user can run a live Linux CD without having to worry about screwing up their windows setup !!
They covered most of the major apps., mainly KDE, and only at the end did they bring in a couple of disadvantages: The Gimp is not MS Paintshop, and the lack of good video editting software. But they pointed out that it is FREE, so you can't complain !!
It was good to see such a favourable review on national TV !!
(I do not watch this program much, but it is a 1/2 hourly weekly tech. program, by nature quite popularish !)