From what I understand, about the only thing they could have done had they known was a) try and launch another shuttle to evacuate the crew, or b) bring them down in Columbia and hope that the shuttle would hold together long enough for the crew to be able to use an escape hatch and parachute to the ground. The likelihood of getting another shuttle prepped in time was almost nill
The post-incident report showed that, had the early concerns of NASA-engineers been taken serious, a rescue mission could have been launched and have reached the Columbia just about in time.
The assumption was that work on the shuttle on the launch-pad had to go on 24x7.
Instead, like all big organisations, NASA transformed the whole exercise into a bureaucratic pissing contest.
Search slashdot for "columbia" and see for yourself.
Now they can easily locate a scape-goat in the area of their crime for the general public and the police. Imagine if the poor guy's only alibi is "I've watched the Superbowl last night".
>> poster wrote: >> >> I'm sure you're getting a super board for that >> price too. What's it a 1/2 layer ECS fire-hazard? >> Perhaps something printed out by someone's inkjet >> printer?
> After losing a week being screwed over by an MSI > board w. the nvida2 mb chipset at 4 times the > price
Well, that's why in the end, I settled for a Tyan board. High price, but at least I can get definitive lists of RAM-chips and CPUs that are supported. And it works very nicely. I have little sentiments for people who buy 30 bucks K7S5A boards in 50 bucks cases+PSU and wonder why it bombs out now and then. Of course you can buy them in dozens for the same price as a Tyan Tiger + "Expensive Case+PSU" combo, but the question is: do you want to get things done on your box or is building, modding, breaking and un-breaking it its only right to exist ?
The non-enterprise stuff is only for tinkering. Neither SuSE nor RedHat have ever certified any serious mission-critical software on any of their desktop-products (with one noteable exception for each, before they actually had "Enterprise"-products. You can still run all the apps that worked on RH x.y on Fedore, I guess.
But if you do that, you can run them on pretty much any other OpenSource OS (including FreeBSD).
I must say, that the one time I had 7.3 running I was shocked at how difficult it was to get mplayer sort-of running, compared to FreeBSD. Next was 8.0 on a Laptop - it was slow as a fat dog. Why people choose that to run on the server is beyond me, but then some people also like to run Windows on the server...
My advice to those willing to jump ship: try FreeBSD for a few weeks, read the handbook, read about cvsup and portupgrade and see if you can accomodate to the way things work in FreeBSD-land. If it fits your needs, fine. If not, you can always buy RHEL-lics (or make that RHAS, for the matter);-)
And let me touch briefly on hallucinogens: They are too dangerous for the average person.
Indeed.
Your "average person" in the USA can't even keep a sensible nutrition (neither can, to a lesser degree, the average German). I've read reports that at the current rate, you'll have 1/3 of the population suffering from diabetes. Germany will not be much better, just 5 or 10 years later.
And now someone tell me that these people can administer drugs in a seponsible way !
You've got to be kidding.
While you have a point, currently, the consumtion of natural resources is not priced correctly.
Think of it, even here in Germany, where the taxes on fuel more or less triple the price for it, it's still too cheap when you consider that this still doesn't pay for the effects on nature (pollution, CO2-effect, forrest dieback, urban sprawl, ground-sealing by the roads etc. pp.)
Just ask yourself one question:
What's the replacement-value of 1 litre of oil ?
Because one thing is sure: nobody can bring back all those fuel-drops that the gas-guzzling SUV-monsters, big BMWs, S-class Mercedes etc. burn every second. As such, the replacement-value of fuel is more-or-less infinite. Additionally, the amount of oil on earth is finite. We can't make any new, and hydrating coal (as done by Germany during WW2) doesn't look too promising either.
Say you'd really like to use a new delivery van for your e-commerce business. You can either buy a delivery van named "IIS" for a sum of money. That is not appealing to you. You notice in the newspaper an ad for another van. Let's name the model of the van APACHE. You go to check it out, and the owner says that you can use the van as much as you'd like for free. The only request is that if you make any modifications to the van, that you share those modifications with the public.
Nice analogy, but Apache comes under a BSD-style license...do you know the difference;-) ?
Better use a webserver with GPL licence.
Saying that allowing SSH in eliminates all security is missing the forest for the trees. What would you suggest for file transfers, FTP?
Blargh;-) Not FTP. A web-interface to SAMBA ? Explorer-like in a Java-Applet ? Does that exist ?
But what I wanted to say is: just by using the 'Secure' Shell, it doesn't get more "secure" in the big picure.
Yes, there are other ways for tunnels, but SSH makes it so easy that (with some help) probably even my mother could do it. And that doesn't make the whole scheme "more secure", but actually renders it insecure (or possibly insecure).
One thing that I need to consider at my current job is that you can NOT trust employees computers at home, even if you can trust employees - if they are running Windows, they are potential virus and worm vectors, and needs to be shielded off, so a simple VPN-solution is no solution.
We've solved the most immediate problem by allowing only ssh, and giving employees with Windows a copy of WinSCP (an excelent, two-pane Windows-FTP-client-look-a-like front-end to scp), which they have had no problems using (they did not have any oportunity to work from home before, so they don't complain:).
Do they have a shell at the back end ? Do you allow port-forwarding ? Once you allow SSH inbound or outbound, all security is basically gone. SSH allows portforwarding, even backward (i.e. you can run SSH-sessions into the company by contacting an outside server and connecting back over that very ssh-connection.
At my former employer, once they opened up port 443 for the VPN-clients outbound, I just moved sshd to port 443 on my DSL-box at home and could start and watch edonkey-downloads from work via ssh+vnc.
I knew what I was doing and I didn't over-abuse it, but the potential for a security-nightmare is there.
I think, esp. with DJB-DNS, you must use something like the FreeBSD port or - if it exists - a binary of the Linux-distribution of your choice. I run it on FreeBSD and OpenBSD (only cache), but OpenBSD has no port since some time (TdR didn't like the license) and the way it is installed by default is absolutely incredibly complicated.
With FreeBSD's port, at least everything is arranged with some common sense.
Really? Is that why you're six times more likely to be mugged in London than in New York City?
Yeah, but you can drink beer openly in the park.
Can you do that in NY, too ?
And you don't need to be 21 to do that.
A number of you also made sure to mention in the days following 9/11 that terrorism has been a more-or-less-constant threat over there for decades (IRA,
This is only a threat in London and parts of Northern Ireland.
Red Army Faction, Baader-Meinhof Gang,
These two are essentially the same. But both are more-or-less dead. And they threaten(ed) only politicians and high-level execs from the "capitalist establishment". They believed to represent "major parts of the working public", which would have made killing ordinary people rather silly. Most of the first-generation RAF-terrorist hid in the former German Democratic Republic ("DDR"). When that state imploded, they were quickly caught and put in the prison.
Direct Action, etc.).
This is only in France, and I haven't heard anything of them for a very long time.
You could have mentioned the ETA (the Basque Terror Group). They really _are_ a threat.
If you take a hard look at it, though, you'll see a pattern here: most of these "terrorist" are to some degree mostly separatists that want to gain or maintain political, cultural, economical independcy from their state. And thus those conflicts are very local and don't affect all of Europe.
Are you still sure you're safer over there than we are over here?
Of course. And due to our more balanced foreign politics, we also don't have that many enemies in the world.
Yeah, I know, it's all about the atmosphere et.al. - but what drives "high-rollers" into casinos to lose 50K and up ?
If you've got so much money to burn and know no other way to draw satisfaction, you've got a serious problem, IMHO.
hunched over a desk staring into the monitor checking every box repeatedly, just to make sure its still up
Nagios has a status-overview page for that.
Personally I'd much rather go sit in the park, or at home, and let Big Brother email my phone if something dies
Sending out SMS from computers to mobile phones (GSM) has been possible for years, at least here in Germany.
OK - it makes sense for you and you've found a specific use for it. But I doubt that people like you are the intended mass-market for this product...
I've never seen the market for these kinds of appliances. They're to clunky to be useful as a phone and to small to be a real laptop.
And if that wasn't enough, the software is completely proprietary ("end-to-end proprietary", in marketing-speak).
If you can't stay away some hours from your email, you'd better never leave the office.
The longer an account has been around with a decent amount of feedback are USUALLY good indicators.
Except for the "few" cases where the account has been hijacked.
In Germany (ebay.de), we've got lot's of persons from GB, Spain, Romania "selling" expensive goods (plasma, G4-powerbook) very cheaply under accounts originating from the US.
If that is true; then the sea water will get slightly warmer.
If that is true (and current data suggests it is), then as a result of the warmer water in the northern hemisphere, the Gulf Stream will get weaker (or disappear completely).
For Europe, this has yet-to-be-evaluated consequences in all ares (farming, energy consumption, housing etc.)
If no replacement can be found (by majority, IIRC), the current Chancellor stays.
Good. I'm impressed of your knowledge of German constitutional affairs, which most Germans would have problems to explain;-)
But your assumption is not 100% correct: If the constructive vote of no confidence fails, a new parliament has to be elected (re-elections).
In 1982, Chancellor Helmut Kohl pulled this trick (his own party voted against him) to get into office and subsequently, the German supreme-court made it clear that you can pull this trick only once;-)
Slashdot Mirror
The post-incident report showed that, had the early concerns of NASA-engineers been taken serious, a rescue mission could have been launched and have reached the Columbia just about in time.
The assumption was that work on the shuttle on the launch-pad had to go on 24x7.
Instead, like all big organisations, NASA transformed the whole exercise into a bureaucratic pissing contest.
Search slashdot for "columbia" and see for yourself.
Rainer
If you need VMWare, you need to continue to run Linux (or Windoze).
VMWare on FreeBSD is a nightmare, IMHO.
Rainer
I guess, he watched too many episodes of "Home Improvement".
Just as my media-kit arrived....
Bzzz.
That was for hotmail.
Most of these systems are gone now, I presume.
Now they can easily locate a scape-goat in the area of their crime for the general public and the police.
Imagine if the poor guy's only alibi is "I've watched the Superbowl last night".
tomhudson wrote:
>> poster wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure you're getting a super board for that
>> price too. What's it a 1/2 layer ECS fire-hazard?
>> Perhaps something printed out by someone's inkjet
>> printer?
> After losing a week being screwed over by an MSI
> board w. the nvida2 mb chipset at 4 times the
> price
Well, that's why in the end, I settled for a Tyan board. High price, but at least I can get definitive lists of RAM-chips and CPUs that are supported.
And it works very nicely.
I have little sentiments for people who buy 30 bucks K7S5A boards in 50 bucks cases+PSU and wonder why it bombs out now and then.
Of course you can buy them in dozens for the same price as a Tyan Tiger + "Expensive Case+PSU" combo, but the question is: do you want to get things done on your box or is building, modding, breaking and un-breaking it its only right to exist ?
Rainer
The non-enterprise stuff is only for tinkering. Neither SuSE nor RedHat have ever certified any serious mission-critical software on any of their desktop-products (with one noteable exception for each, before they actually had "Enterprise"-products.
;-)
You can still run all the apps that worked on RH x.y on Fedore, I guess.
But if you do that, you can run them on pretty much any other OpenSource OS (including FreeBSD).
I must say, that the one time I had 7.3 running I was shocked at how difficult it was to get mplayer sort-of running, compared to FreeBSD.
Next was 8.0 on a Laptop - it was slow as a fat dog. Why people choose that to run on the server is beyond me, but then some people also like to run Windows on the server...
My advice to those willing to jump ship: try FreeBSD for a few weeks, read the handbook, read about cvsup and portupgrade and see if you can accomodate to the way things work in FreeBSD-land.
If it fits your needs, fine. If not, you can always buy RHEL-lics (or make that RHAS, for the matter)
Indeed.
Your "average person" in the USA can't even keep a sensible nutrition (neither can, to a lesser degree, the average German). I've read reports that at the current rate, you'll have 1/3 of the population suffering from diabetes. Germany will not be much better, just 5 or 10 years later.
And now someone tell me that these people can administer drugs in a seponsible way !
You've got to be kidding.
While you have a point, currently, the consumtion of natural resources is not priced correctly.
Think of it, even here in Germany, where the taxes on fuel more or less triple the price for it, it's still too cheap when you consider that this still doesn't pay for the effects on nature (pollution, CO2-effect, forrest dieback, urban sprawl, ground-sealing by the roads etc. pp.)
Just ask yourself one question:
What's the replacement-value of 1 litre of oil ?
Because one thing is sure: nobody can bring back all those fuel-drops that the gas-guzzling SUV-monsters, big BMWs, S-class Mercedes etc. burn every second. As such, the replacement-value of fuel is more-or-less infinite.
Additionally, the amount of oil on earth is finite. We can't make any new, and hydrating coal (as done by Germany during WW2) doesn't look too promising either.
Are you happy now ?
SamsungContact
SuSE Openexchange Server
Oracle Collaboration Suite
and
Lotus Notes
are viable products that don't rely on AD and MSFT-products.
I use qmail for myself, but it's not something for people who need calendaring.
Disclaimer: my company re-sells SuSE's product.
Nice analogy, but Apache comes under a BSD-style license...do you know the difference ;-) ?
Better use a webserver with GPL licence.
Maybe it's me, but IMHO this has "astroturf" written all over it.
Blargh ;-) Not FTP. A web-interface to SAMBA ? Explorer-like in a Java-Applet ? Does that exist ?
But what I wanted to say is: just by using the 'Secure' Shell, it doesn't get more "secure" in the big picure.
Yes, there are other ways for tunnels, but SSH makes it so easy that (with some help) probably even my mother could do it. And that doesn't make the whole scheme "more secure", but actually renders it insecure (or possibly insecure).
We've solved the most immediate problem by allowing only ssh, and giving employees with Windows a copy of WinSCP (an excelent, two-pane Windows-FTP-client-look-a-like front-end to scp), which they have had no problems using (they did not have any oportunity to work from home before, so they don't complain :).
Do they have a shell at the back end ? Do you allow port-forwarding ? Once you allow SSH inbound or outbound, all security is basically gone.
SSH allows portforwarding, even backward (i.e. you can run SSH-sessions into the company by contacting an outside server and connecting back over that very ssh-connection.
At my former employer, once they opened up port 443 for the VPN-clients outbound, I just moved sshd to port 443 on my DSL-box at home and could start and watch edonkey-downloads from work via ssh+vnc.
I knew what I was doing and I didn't over-abuse it, but the potential for a security-nightmare is there.
Near Earth Objects
A mugshot of Bruce Willis as icon will draw the right associations.
With FreeBSD's port, at least everything is arranged with some common sense.
Yeah, but you can drink beer openly in the park. Can you do that in NY, too ?
And you don't need to be 21 to do that.
A number of you also made sure to mention in the days following 9/11 that terrorism has been a more-or-less-constant threat over there for decades (IRA,
This is only a threat in London and parts of Northern Ireland.
Red Army Faction, Baader-Meinhof Gang,
These two are essentially the same. But both are more-or-less dead. And they threaten(ed) only politicians and high-level execs from the "capitalist establishment". They believed to represent "major parts of the working public", which would have made killing ordinary people rather silly. Most of the first-generation RAF-terrorist hid in the former German Democratic Republic ("DDR"). When that state imploded, they were quickly caught and put in the prison.
Direct Action, etc.).
This is only in France, and I haven't heard anything of them for a very long time.
You could have mentioned the ETA (the Basque Terror Group). They really _are_ a threat.
If you take a hard look at it, though, you'll see a pattern here: most of these "terrorist" are to some degree mostly separatists that want to gain or maintain political, cultural, economical independcy from their state. And thus those conflicts are very local and don't affect all of Europe.
Are you still sure you're safer over there than we are over here?
Of course. And due to our more balanced foreign politics, we also don't have that many enemies in the world.
If you've got so much money to burn and know no other way to draw satisfaction, you've got a serious problem, IMHO.
Nagios has a status-overview page for that.
Personally I'd much rather go sit in the park, or at home, and let Big Brother email my phone if something dies
Sending out SMS from computers to mobile phones (GSM) has been possible for years, at least here in Germany.
OK - it makes sense for you and you've found a specific use for it. But I doubt that people like you are the intended mass-market for this product...
And if that wasn't enough, the software is completely proprietary ("end-to-end proprietary", in marketing-speak).
If you can't stay away some hours from your email, you'd better never leave the office.
Rainer
Except for the "few" cases where the account has been hijacked.
In Germany (ebay.de), we've got lot's of persons from GB, Spain, Romania "selling" expensive goods (plasma, G4-powerbook) very cheaply under accounts originating from the US.
"Greed eats Brain"
cheers,
Rainer
If that is true (and current data suggests it is), then as a result of the warmer water in the northern hemisphere, the Gulf Stream will get weaker (or disappear completely).
For Europe, this has yet-to-be-evaluated consequences in all ares (farming, energy consumption, housing etc.)
Good. I'm impressed of your knowledge of German constitutional affairs, which most Germans would have problems to explain ;-) ;-)
But your assumption is not 100% correct: If the constructive vote of no confidence fails, a new parliament has to be elected (re-elections).
In 1982, Chancellor Helmut Kohl pulled this trick (his own party voted against him) to get into office and subsequently, the German supreme-court made it clear that you can pull this trick only once
cheers, Rainer