That data was stored only locally. And an update reduced the size of the local cache significantly.
Also Apple is going to great lengths to keep data they collect locally on the phone or anonymize as much of the data that needs to be sent back to its servers, instead if selling it to the highest bidder like Google.
Make that decades. Or even centuries. The amount of dust that got blown into the atmosphere then was gigantic - after all, traces of it can still be found today, as a visible boundary. It's probably the closest thing to hell we got.
I have battery-powered noise-cancelling headphones (Bose QC25). The batteries last very long. I don't think I would notice if they'd draw from the phone (which would be cool, kind-of). The phone consumes much more battery.
But I agree in that I don't necessarily need a thinner phone. I like my 4S's form-factor and will buy the SE. The 6 and 6S always seemed too slippery for me when I tried them in shops.
For extra battery, you can now buy the "hump" charger-case...
Competition is good - when it leads to better products. Currently, products just get cheaper and shittier - because for most people, price is the only differentiator they know - and the lower, the better. The MFI program ensures better compatibility and less danger that the accessory actually fries your phone.
There's a reason why almost all 3rd-party bluetooth-accessories work with iPhones out of the box, every single time - and mostly/sometimes with even the flagship Android devices.
Once I buy a new iPhone (which doesn't happen very often, I admit), I'll buy an adaptor for my Bose headphones. Or maybe Bose will just sell a cable that does the trick. Compared to the price of the iPhone and the headphones, the price of the adapter isn't really a concern. Even if they currently cost 70 USD (ouch).
Apple is a high-price brand. I don't get why people are complaining about this. Do they also go on Porsche or Mercedes car-forums and complain about the high prices of original spares?
They uninstalled it a while ago, after one of those zero-days. Then re-installed it, when a patch came around for that zero day Then just let it rot. I think it's patched occasionally. Thank god I'm not forced to use that silly Windows-image of theirs. They know what they're doing. They just think an APT can't or won't hit them. Or that AV and their silly proxy will catch it. I actually have to chuckle at the thought of that.
And if you think Apple is a monopoly and there are no other excellent products in every category in which they sell, you have your head in the sand and are buying Apple products as a fashion statement. If that is what you want to do, fine, but stop complaining about it. Yeesh.
Apple does have a monopoly - on Apple products. I'm always amazed how people can overlook this fact.
As long as enough people like the products and the price is still within their financial means, Apple will do well financially.
Of course, there's a limit on how much Apple products and services the average household can buy before the monthly bill becomes existence-threatening.
Just this morning... my HTC ONE M8 got the Android M (6.0) update... it is FILLED with baked in crap from AT&T Plus the added feature for me of ADS!!! I now get advertising notifications because fucking AT&T baked into it a com. android service that shovels adverts at me.
allowing any carrier to call it android and not ship a pure clean un-raped android is ruining it. Let the carriers do what they want, tell them they can not call it android in any way or use any of the branding.
They will suddenly stop being scumbags overnight as users want android, not HappyAT&T OS that is compatible with a popular phone OS.
I'm sorry, but you're either stupid or completely deluded. People who buy Android-phones (apart from the minuscule fan-base that trolls Apple forums) don't care what OS their handset runs. They don't even know. They don't even know what an "OS" is, to begin with. They also don't "buy" them, they get them for free when they renew a contract.
Android is almost exactly where Google wanted it to be. They wanted it to be dirt-cheap, on phones that even the poorest can afford, so they can deliver ads to these people, too. And that's what you've got today. The only thing that didn't exactly turn-out as they hoped is that Apple is still raking in almost all the profits in the industry and is slowly pushing them from the one platform that makes them decent money.
They thought Apple would be priced out of this race-to-the-bottom market, but that hasn't happened so far. At least not to the extent Google had obviously initially hoped to achieve.
Actually, the opposite is happening: Chinese (and others, like Amazon) companies are just forking Open-Source Android and slapping their own apps, app-stores etc. on top of it.
Support? Updates? Who cares, right? You vastly overestimate the amount of influence Google has on what people do with Android. They have some influence on the source-code, of course - but once it's published, everybody can do with it whatever he wishes. And that's exactly what is happening now.
Also, as Google seems to come up with a new "winning" strategy for Android/ChromeOS every year, can you really blame any company for not getting resources behind this year's initiative (to be killed off next year)?
He was just a low-level "researcher" in a KZ that got notorious because he killed so many people in so many different gruesome ways (and enough of his subjects still survived the ordeal to tell the story).
His superior back in Berlin more or less continued his career after the war - mostly because he systematically destroyed most documents that could proof a connection with the notorious experiments (once it was obvious that the war wasn't going to end well for Germany) and because Mengele himself had fled to South America,drawing all the attention onto himself.
On a thousand machines? For RHEL et.al, there's the tools around The Foreman. For Ubuntu, there's landscape - but it costs so much that I could use RHEL right away - and RHEL is much better. And The Foreman is open-source, can be deployed on-premise.
I hate that there is no real official documentation beyond a few alibi-pages that assume you're running a desktop. My co-workers tell me that I can google any problem and find a solution by some guy, somewhere - but my experience is that it's either incomplete, doesn't go to the root of the problem or is intended for an outdated release (multiple items can apply).
It may work most of the time - but when it doesn't finding the problem is really difficult (mostly because nobody has really bothered to document how a "modern" linux-system with systemd works and how little of traditional unix-knowledge still applies) - and this really doesn't encourage good system design but rather hacks upon hacks, where somebody finds something in some blog that appears to work.
RHEL actually has useful documentation. So does FreeBSD. Maybe got to do with the fact that those people know what they're doing.
All this lunacy about Desktop-linux completely clouds the fact that Ubuntu doesn't have the tools to actually manage servers at scale. I don't give a fuck about the fact that it's easy to install. I install my FreeBSD systems once and then migrate them to new releases over years, until the hardware gives in or the customer quits - and installing FreeBSD actually takes less time.
I think I also got 200 CHF notes when I paid for my MTB (in cash) - but you can decide at the ATM if you want larger notes or a "mixed bag" of notes.
But you can get the 1000 CHF notes at the counter, no questions asked, no eyebrows lifted.
That's the spirit I like about this country.:-))
Though, I was once witness of somebody trying to pay a coffee (about 2.50 CHF) with such a note. He was politely directed downstairs (it was a little mall of sorts) where they had a counter where it was apparently possible to check and change the bill into smaller bills....
It's however quite usual to pay in cash, even larger sums, eg. in private car sales or when selling/buying livestock.
The Swiss Nationalbank has no plans to abolish the 1000 CHF note - or so they say.
Seems to me that the DOJ is going about this the wrong way. As the Affordable Care act has shown the government can't compel a private actor to do something. But it can tax the hell out of their refusal to do so.
I'm rather surprised they haven't schemed to let Apple continue to refuse but impose a tax of a billion dollars a day for doing so.
During an election year?
It's not like Apple is some ugly, unpopular mega-corp the likes of (Robocop-ian) OPC or something like this
People love their iPhones, their iPads, their Macs. Well, those that own one. And that includes a broad socio-economic section of the US population. And even those that hate Apple, still sort of admire the way it tries to keep its users' privacy.
And people can generally sympathize with Apple's stance.
While you might get a few supporters in Congress at first, when the time comes to vote, a lot of them would think very hard before upsetting young, affluent, well-networked voters for possibly a very long time.
We'll see how this continues next week. It's clear that Apple is going to pull every PR-trick, call every favor and generally go all-in on this one.
I'm confused by Apple's (and slashdotters') response to this whole thing. I can't see that Apple is in the right here. This case has nothing to do with the actual encryption. There's no back door we're talking about here. Turning off the device wiping safety feature is something Apple can do without affecting anyone else. If the worry is that the government would keep this firmware and use it on anyone's phone, well, they apparently have the power to compel this anyway. And Apple has always had the power to do that. I don't see this as a privacy and security issue above and beyond the status quo. If the question was either, can you crack this encryption for us, or can you add a backdoor to the encryption, then the answer is clearly and legitimately no and a court could have to accept the first and be convinced of the second: it's not physically possible to crack good encryption, and it's a bad idea for everyone add a back door.
But as to the question, "can Apple disable the bad passcode wiping function?" yes they absolutely can. Hence the court order. Apple cannot say this is impossible for them to do. Hence by refusing to comply they are clearly in contempt of court. Will be interesting to hear how they plan to battle this out in the courts (and why they would want to).
I am clearly missing something here.
After all is said and done I doubt the FBI will find much of value on the phone. I'll be the first to admit good, old fashioned detective work is still the key these days, though law enforcement apparently wants things to be quicker and easier electronically.
They don't say it's impossible. They say it sets a dangerous precedent, which people tend to agree to.
I also see why people have issues with Apple doing what they are doing right now - but it's not illegal to exhaust all legal means!
However, given what you thought happened does really put it into perspective and I likely would have felt the same. I never had to live with the fear of nuclear war, so it's hard to imagine the kind of stress and fear that could cause.
Indeed. It's a long story but a strange combination of events, a bizarre phone message, and hearing the wrong excerpt of a radio broadcast on 9/11 initially led me to believe that it was likely that thermonuclear devices had been detonated over major U.S. cities. For a minute or more, I was trying to figure out who might be lobbing ICBMs at us, where the nearest major cities were to me, likely direction of prevailing winds and fallout clouds, etc. After turning on the TV and finally hearing it was about a few plane crashes and thousands were dead instead of tens of millions that I was imagining... yeah, I breathed a sigh of relief too. Believe me, you never was to go through a period where you seriously believe that a nuclear war has begun.
The problem with nuclear war breaking out and you finding out about it is that you're at the wrong location then.
You really want to be near a primary target, like a strategically significant military base or a government building. Otherwise, you might even survive the first strike and slowly die of hunger, thirst and radiation.
It's the same everywhere.
Also happens in FreeBSD-land: company coughs-up code that solves a problem that is relevant to other users (includes companies that turn "FreeBSD" into a part of their product) - code get's into the source-tree (which review, of course)
I wouldn't even say that's a bad thing. After all, that's how we ended-up with ultra-stable releases recently:
Netflix doesn't want their delivery/cache boxes to crash.
Customers pay top-dollar to EMC so that their Isilon-devices are stable
etc.pp.
You just have to put things into perspective.
OSS isn't a hippie love-fest anymore. Hasn't been for a while.
Best thing is to get over it quickly and move on.
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That data was stored only locally. And an update reduced the size of the local cache significantly.
Also Apple is going to great lengths to keep data they collect locally on the phone or anonymize as much of the data that needs to be sent back to its servers, instead if selling it to the highest bidder like Google.
You would maybe go into one shop. But not into three dozen shops while you happen to walk through the mall during lunchtime.
Would you buy an iPhone instead?
Minority Report is 2002. Demolition Man is 1993: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Never Say Never Again is from 1983, but in it, somebody has his Iris altered to match the President's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Make that decades. Or even centuries. The amount of dust that got blown into the atmosphere then was gigantic - after all, traces of it can still be found today, as a visible boundary.
It's probably the closest thing to hell we got.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Paleogene_extinction_event#Duration
I have battery-powered noise-cancelling headphones (Bose QC25). The batteries last very long. I don't think I would notice if they'd draw from the phone (which would be cool, kind-of). The phone consumes much more battery.
But I agree in that I don't necessarily need a thinner phone. I like my 4S's form-factor and will buy the SE. The 6 and 6S always seemed too slippery for me when I tried them in shops.
For extra battery, you can now buy the "hump" charger-case...
Competition is good - when it leads to better products.
Currently, products just get cheaper and shittier - because for most people, price is the only differentiator they know - and the lower, the better.
The MFI program ensures better compatibility and less danger that the accessory actually fries your phone.
There's a reason why almost all 3rd-party bluetooth-accessories work with iPhones out of the box, every single time - and mostly/sometimes with even the flagship Android devices.
Once I buy a new iPhone (which doesn't happen very often, I admit), I'll buy an adaptor for my Bose headphones. Or maybe Bose will just sell a cable that does the trick. Compared to the price of the iPhone and the headphones, the price of the adapter isn't really a concern. Even if they currently cost 70 USD (ouch).
Apple is a high-price brand. I don't get why people are complaining about this.
Do they also go on Porsche or Mercedes car-forums and complain about the high prices of original spares?
They uninstalled it a while ago, after one of those zero-days.
Then re-installed it, when a patch came around for that zero day
Then just let it rot. I think it's patched occasionally. Thank god I'm not forced to use that silly Windows-image of theirs.
They know what they're doing. They just think an APT can't or won't hit them. Or that AV and their silly proxy will catch it. I actually have to chuckle at the thought of that.
And if you think Apple is a monopoly and there are no other excellent products in every category in which they sell, you have your head in the sand and are buying Apple products as a fashion statement. If that is what you want to do, fine, but stop complaining about it. Yeesh.
Apple does have a monopoly - on Apple products. I'm always amazed how people can overlook this fact.
As long as enough people like the products and the price is still within their financial means, Apple will do well financially.
Of course, there's a limit on how much Apple products and services the average household can buy before the monthly bill becomes existence-threatening.
It is?
Just this morning... my HTC ONE M8 got the Android M (6.0) update... it is FILLED with baked in crap from AT&T Plus the added feature for me of ADS!!! I now get advertising notifications because fucking AT&T baked into it a com. android service that shovels adverts at me.
allowing any carrier to call it android and not ship a pure clean un-raped android is ruining it. Let the carriers do what they want, tell them they can not call it android in any way or use any of the branding.
They will suddenly stop being scumbags overnight as users want android, not HappyAT&T OS that is compatible with a popular phone OS.
I'm sorry, but you're either stupid or completely deluded. People who buy Android-phones (apart from the minuscule fan-base that trolls Apple forums) don't care what OS their handset runs. They don't even know. They don't even know what an "OS" is, to begin with. They also don't "buy" them, they get them for free when they renew a contract.
Android is almost exactly where Google wanted it to be. They wanted it to be dirt-cheap, on phones that even the poorest can afford, so they can deliver ads to these people, too. And that's what you've got today. The only thing that didn't exactly turn-out as they hoped is that Apple is still raking in almost all the profits in the industry and is slowly pushing them from the one platform that makes them decent money.
They thought Apple would be priced out of this race-to-the-bottom market, but that hasn't happened so far. At least not to the extent Google had obviously initially hoped to achieve.
Actually, the opposite is happening: Chinese (and others, like Amazon) companies are just forking Open-Source Android and slapping their own apps, app-stores etc. on top of it.
Support? Updates? Who cares, right?
You vastly overestimate the amount of influence Google has on what people do with Android. They have some influence on the source-code, of course - but once it's published, everybody can do with it whatever he wishes. And that's exactly what is happening now.
Also, as Google seems to come up with a new "winning" strategy for Android/ChromeOS every year, can you really blame any company for not getting resources behind this year's initiative (to be killed off next year)?
Talk about NIH!
Insane thing. The laptop, of course.
I remember, yes. It must be 20 years already. My first "real" job (an internship).
Just take out a cable-subscription for your Roomba, too.
And another paid iCloud account for your iCar.
Problem solved!
He was just a low-level "researcher" in a KZ that got notorious because he killed so many people in so many different gruesome ways (and enough of his subjects still survived the ordeal to tell the story).
His superior back in Berlin more or less continued his career after the war - mostly because he systematically destroyed most documents that could proof a connection with the notorious experiments (once it was obvious that the war wasn't going to end well for Germany) and because Mengele himself had fled to South America,drawing all the attention onto himself.
iOS 9.3.1 still runs "OK-ish" on my iPhone 4S.
My 2008 iMac is still supported in OS X El Capitan. After reinstalling El Capitan (wiping the disk) it actually performs remarkably well.
It would benefit from an SSD, but for far the HD hasn't given in and I'm afraid ruining it, so I let it as it is ;-)
Do you just run apt-get upgrade with cron?
On a thousand machines?
For RHEL et.al, there's the tools around The Foreman. For Ubuntu, there's landscape - but it costs so much that I could use RHEL right away - and RHEL is much better. And The Foreman is open-source, can be deployed on-premise.
I hate that there is no real official documentation beyond a few alibi-pages that assume you're running a desktop. My co-workers tell me that I can google any problem and find a solution by some guy, somewhere - but my experience is that it's either incomplete, doesn't go to the root of the problem or is intended for an outdated release (multiple items can apply).
It may work most of the time - but when it doesn't finding the problem is really difficult (mostly because nobody has really bothered to document how a "modern" linux-system with systemd works and how little of traditional unix-knowledge still applies) - and this really doesn't encourage good system design but rather hacks upon hacks, where somebody finds something in some blog that appears to work.
RHEL actually has useful documentation. So does FreeBSD. Maybe got to do with the fact that those people know what they're doing.
All this lunacy about Desktop-linux completely clouds the fact that Ubuntu doesn't have the tools to actually manage servers at scale. I don't give a fuck about the fact that it's easy to install. I install my FreeBSD systems once and then migrate them to new releases over years, until the hardware gives in or the customer quits - and installing FreeBSD actually takes less time.
Rest assured, private possession of gold will have been banned long before a cash-less society (forced or not) will materialize.
Of course, people could always trade other stuff. But it's very, very, very hard to replace cash on a large scale.
As others have pointed out.
Mom got sold an original iPad Mini, right before a new one came out (the Mini was already several generations behind at that point).
It's still a nice device.
She doesn't play games. She doesn't do anything else computationally or graphics-intensive.
Just email, Facebook and maybe a news-app then and now. Or a recipes app.
and bail-ins.
Swiss newspaper NZZ had this article, recently:
http://www.nzz.ch/wirtschaft/w...
It's about the cost of taking all of your money out of the bank and store it somewhere else, in cash.
The Swiss Franc, due to its relatively high valuation and large denomination, is apparently even cheaper as a "storage-vehicle" than gold.
Above cost comes into play, when the bank starts to charge negative interest rates for your money.
Instead of paying the bank 2% interest, you could pay somebody else 1% to guard your stack of paper-bills.
I'm not sure you can get them at the ATM.
I think I also got 200 CHF notes when I paid for my MTB (in cash) - but you can decide at the ATM if you want larger notes or a "mixed bag" of notes.
But you can get the 1000 CHF notes at the counter, no questions asked, no eyebrows lifted.
That's the spirit I like about this country. :-))
Though, I was once witness of somebody trying to pay a coffee (about 2.50 CHF) with such a note. He was politely directed downstairs (it was a little mall of sorts) where they had a counter where it was apparently possible to check and change the bill into smaller bills....
It's however quite usual to pay in cash, even larger sums, eg. in private car sales or when selling/buying livestock.
The Swiss Nationalbank has no plans to abolish the 1000 CHF note - or so they say.
Seems to me that the DOJ is going about this the wrong way. As the Affordable Care act has shown the government can't compel a private actor to do something. But it can tax the hell out of their refusal to do so.
I'm rather surprised they haven't schemed to let Apple continue to refuse but impose a tax of a billion dollars a day for doing so.
During an election year?
It's not like Apple is some ugly, unpopular mega-corp the likes of (Robocop-ian) OPC or something like this
People love their iPhones, their iPads, their Macs. Well, those that own one. And that includes a broad socio-economic section of the US population. And even those that hate Apple, still sort of admire the way it tries to keep its users' privacy.
And people can generally sympathize with Apple's stance.
While you might get a few supporters in Congress at first, when the time comes to vote, a lot of them would think very hard before upsetting young, affluent, well-networked voters for possibly a very long time.
We'll see how this continues next week. It's clear that Apple is going to pull every PR-trick, call every favor and generally go all-in on this one.
I'm confused by Apple's (and slashdotters') response to this whole thing. I can't see that Apple is in the right here. This case has nothing to do with the actual encryption. There's no back door we're talking about here. Turning off the device wiping safety feature is something Apple can do without affecting anyone else. If the worry is that the government would keep this firmware and use it on anyone's phone, well, they apparently have the power to compel this anyway. And Apple has always had the power to do that. I don't see this as a privacy and security issue above and beyond the status quo. If the question was either, can you crack this encryption for us, or can you add a backdoor to the encryption, then the answer is clearly and legitimately no and a court could have to accept the first and be convinced of the second: it's not physically possible to crack good encryption, and it's a bad idea for everyone add a back door.
But as to the question, "can Apple disable the bad passcode wiping function?" yes they absolutely can. Hence the court order. Apple cannot say this is impossible for them to do. Hence by refusing to comply they are clearly in contempt of court. Will be interesting to hear how they plan to battle this out in the courts (and why they would want to).
I am clearly missing something here.
After all is said and done I doubt the FBI will find much of value on the phone. I'll be the first to admit good, old fashioned detective work is still the key these days, though law enforcement apparently wants things to be quicker and easier electronically.
They don't say it's impossible. They say it sets a dangerous precedent, which people tend to agree to.
I also see why people have issues with Apple doing what they are doing right now - but it's not illegal to exhaust all legal means!
I mean, they were right about that one. Kind of. Somehow.
However, given what you thought happened does really put it into perspective and I likely would have felt the same. I never had to live with the fear of nuclear war, so it's hard to imagine the kind of stress and fear that could cause.
Indeed. It's a long story but a strange combination of events, a bizarre phone message, and hearing the wrong excerpt of a radio broadcast on 9/11 initially led me to believe that it was likely that thermonuclear devices had been detonated over major U.S. cities. For a minute or more, I was trying to figure out who might be lobbing ICBMs at us, where the nearest major cities were to me, likely direction of prevailing winds and fallout clouds, etc. After turning on the TV and finally hearing it was about a few plane crashes and thousands were dead instead of tens of millions that I was imagining... yeah, I breathed a sigh of relief too. Believe me, you never was to go through a period where you seriously believe that a nuclear war has begun.
The problem with nuclear war breaking out and you finding out about it is that you're at the wrong location then.
You really want to be near a primary target, like a strategically significant military base or a government building. Otherwise, you might even survive the first strike and slowly die of hunger, thirst and radiation.
It's the same everywhere.
Also happens in FreeBSD-land: company coughs-up code that solves a problem that is relevant to other users (includes companies that turn "FreeBSD" into a part of their product) - code get's into the source-tree (which review, of course)
I wouldn't even say that's a bad thing. After all, that's how we ended-up with ultra-stable releases recently:
Netflix doesn't want their delivery/cache boxes to crash.
Customers pay top-dollar to EMC so that their Isilon-devices are stable
etc.pp. You just have to put things into perspective.
OSS isn't a hippie love-fest anymore. Hasn't been for a while.
Best thing is to get over it quickly and move on.