Although the article lightly touches on OpenBSD in reference, I'm surprised an article that concentrates so much on flame wars and distribution forkings would omit talking about the origins of OpenBSD altogether. Though the details are sketchy to me after all these years, I remember distinctly Theo was a core NetBSD developer who's vitriolic and (at least I thought) humorous flames against people in the USENET community caused him to be ejected as a core developer, it was at least one major step that turned him into the direction of OpenBSD--that and the fact that he was prevelent at finding security holes in code that nobody had before him.
Though his fellow developers in the other BSD camps may (or may not) have liked him personally, you can be damned well sure they previewed his source control check-ins to see what he was patching.
In and around November 2003 my inbox was getting slammed really hard by these scumballs. It's no coincidence I see the following in the sendmail access table at the ISP I work at.
At that time I know they also had a SPEWS listing, and they probably still do if they occupy the same network space.
I will drink a cold one in celebration the day these idiots go out of business (which, from what I've observed is the natural evolutionary path for spamhausen).
Side note: Shouldn't sendmail corporation be going after these idiots for infringement?
Nigel: I don't know if the original story was dealing with "e-buyonline.com", as someone on slashdot already pointed out it appears they just changed the name of your software and altered your logo (if at all):
"http://www.e-buyonline.com/purchase.php"
Some interesting things I've noticed about the domain:
root@argc:~> g 67.18.82.84 | m [whois.geektools.com]
OrgName: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. Address: 1333 North Stemmons Freeway Address: Suite 110, Dallas, TX 75207 Phone: 214-782-7800, Fax: 214-782-7801
Inverse DNS: welcome.topakistan.com [67.18.82.84]
ToPakistan.com Registrant Contact: Welcome.ToPakistan.com Khalil Ahmad (khalil@paksys.com) +92.427596659 , Fax: +92.427583039 6-L, 73 Business Center, Shadman Lahore, PUNJAB 54000 PK
I take it that's where your pak***.net (and also paksys.com is the same company, maps to the same IP address and WHOIS registration data)
WHOIS Administrative Contact: Ahmad, Khalil khalil@paksys.com 116 Salem Road, North Brunswick, NJ 08902 732-297-8908, Fax: 732-297-8906
They are a U.S. company. The phone number confirms they are paksys software, also a gander at their website shows the same address and phone number. Calling the New Jersey phone number reveals someone with a thick Arab accent announcing "you have reached paksys software..."
They are located INSIDE the U.S., telco exchange shows that prefix (732-297) to be in Franklin Park, NJ.
Their hosting website also shows the same information, their "U.S." address available for visits by appointment only (could be a residence)
https://www.pakhost.com/?sect=0&subsect=40
The State of New Jersey will sell you the company filing information for a nominal fee, it looks like PAK SYS SOFTWARE is listed, their file # is ID: 0400053874, go to the State of NJ's Business Entity search at
https://accessnet.state.nj.us/GatewayWatchNameSe ar ch.asp
Start with filing a complaint with the New Jersey state attorney general, this could get you some type of response (though I noticed you're in New Zealand.
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/
Consumer Complaint form:
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/ocp/ocpform.htm
Franklin Park, NJ is in Somerset county, start at:
I work in a large corporate environment that uses VMS, Tru64, AIX, HP/UX and large scale IBM mainframe systems such as MVS. The corporate policy is basically that open source is strictly forbidden, but only as far as being installed as a system tool--only "supported" products can be installed.
However there isn't a policy regarding what tool sets individual shell users can install. It's interesting to browse various/home directories on the largest of the UNIX servers and see 500 people with their own individual copies of emacs, vim, bash, etc.
The point is, at least with mainstream IT people most already see and understand the value and quality of open source or free software.
He filed, and I do believe he won against Acacia Mortgage in Mesa, AZ. See the decision order filed 9/13/2002. I submitted a story to slashdot about this in 2002, but in typical slashdot fashion it went ignored.
Alice and Bob were always having communication problems, with Carol always stealing their private keys--it looks as though she finally got to Bill too.
Welcome to a sneak peek of MSN's new search technology. What do we have under the hood? A brand new algorithmic search engine -- built from the ground up -- on Microsoft technology.
[entered search query] (vanity search =-)
Search Error MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes.
In the future, will there be a place for a "hard" medium that you can touch and store on your shelves? Lieberfarb believes that answer is no. "The future will see video on demand delivered over the Internet, and movies will be just one of the offerings,'' he says. Already, services like RealNetworks can offer "Finding Nemo" online, and TiVo offers connections to Internet movie sites.
This is the Hollywood Insider's wet dream. No longer will content be owned by the consumer, rather the consumer "pays as they go". Imagine a world where everytime you want to toast some bread your bank account is automatically debited $0.05 per slice. I think the pay-per-use model is doomed. Though it has enojoyed some mild success in the cable TV business, consumers will always prefer the flat-rate, pay once model, especially when they can hold, look and feel the end product.
As one other commenter recently posted, it's the TRO has been officially dissolved. To quote the Court Order:
"Having read and considered Defendant's opposition only for the purpose of determining whether or not to maintain the TRO, the Court finds that the legal issues raised are more complicated than they originally appeared and that the Court has a number of questions regarding the facts. Because of this, the Court finds that the balance of hardships and the interests of justice favor dissolution of the TRO and expediting the hearing on the preliminary injunction."
I'd like to preface what I'm about to say with how "Once upon a time" I despised AOL as a provider of Internet Services, not necessarily for personal reasons but based on the type of clientele they were bringing to the Internet in their early days as an ISP. Over the last couple years the economic climate has forced them to change in a lot of interesting ways to make their customers happy (redacting pop-up advertising, political and technological inroads to fighting spam, etc). In doing so they have (perhaps unwittingly) become better "'net neighbors". I'm happy they have done this, for whatever the reason, and the enemy of my enemy, and all that, etc.
Notwithstanding there are some obvious potential problems with this idea. Not that they can't be ironed out. The idea itself is wonderful because instead of taking money directly out of the spammers' pocket(s), their source of income is being strained even thinner than it already is, such as from filtering.
Technologically it seems problemistic, if the blocking is done on an URL basis it's easy enough for the spammer to morph each URL so filtering becomes difficult (and in many cases they do already). If the filtering is done on an IP basis then there are many interesting problems that appear, namely round-robin DNS switching by the spammer, virtual hosting spam content on free web hosting providers, like Yahoo! and geocities. Blocking access to all of Yahoo! and Geocities would make a lot of their customers unhappy.
Also, at times it's necessary for some customers to have access to the spammers' systems. I like to nmap the spammers' web servers now and then to see if I can help out with a free "security audit" that they indirectly agreed to when they spammed me. An AOL customer that does research on spam, engages in anti-spam activities, maintains their own filtering, etc, all of this type of research or activity could be stifled by filtering. In this manner the article is correct about the filtering being paternalistic--however all they should need to do to address this is allow their customers (forgive the expression) to opt-out of the service completely.
Perhaps rather than dealing with each individual spam, on an incident-by-incident basis they should adopt SOME of the methodologies that SPEWS used. One of the positive benefits of SPEWS was that it only made blocking possible (note that I did not say performed any blocking itself) of providers that refused to deal with their spamming customers. Soul-sucking ROKSO-listed spam hosters like UUnet, C&W, XO, Cogent and Chinanet would start to reconsider their spam-support and pink contract services if more providers started to take filtering on an all out basis (not just HTTP, not just SMTP, DENY traffic -- refuse to share the Internet completely). In this way the purveyor's of spam could enjoy their own private Intranet, all while their legitimate customers could be moved to NSPs or ISPs that refused to take dirty money and were good net neighbors.
When I first moved to San Diego I tried searching for Ralph's grocery store in SBC's SMARTPages. It wasn't listed, later I discovered a whole bunch of other stores which I knew existed but also weren't listed. After that I gave up and stuck with what works: google.
I always suspected SBC's directory services might only list subscribers which pay to be listed--though I don't know that for sure, so take that for what it's worth, conjecture.
Not sure how current the other listings for S2 are, but wayback machine shows their old website, which contains some interesting demographic data (particularly, an office in Redmond, WA).
Slashdot Mirror
I want to build one; if, for anything, lotto picks.
mmm... grumblecakes.
We've already screwed our planet up, we shouldn't have any qualms about doing it to other planets (ast least once we confirm no life forms.)
This almost sounds like a ST:TNG episode I saw once.
Were there any cream pies thrown in his face this time?
There's an official Marina Sirtis fan website.
Although the article lightly touches on OpenBSD in reference, I'm surprised an article that concentrates so much on flame wars and distribution forkings would omit talking about the origins of OpenBSD altogether. Though the details are sketchy to me after all these years, I remember distinctly Theo was a core NetBSD developer who's vitriolic and (at least I thought) humorous flames against people in the USENET community caused him to be ejected as a core developer, it was at least one major step that turned him into the direction of OpenBSD--that and the fact that he was prevelent at finding security holes in code that nobody had before him.
Though his fellow developers in the other BSD camps may (or may not) have liked him personally, you can be damned well sure they previewed his source control check-ins to see what he was patching.
Not that one was offered, but the market forces will take care of themselves. If Sony doesn't offer what the consumers want, someone will.
In and around November 2003 my inbox was getting slammed really hard by these scumballs. It's no coincidence I see the following in the sendmail access table at the ISP I work at.
# 11/26/03 - spamhaus:Atriks aka Green Horse
sendmails.org REJECT Spam
mailnotice.com REJECT Spam
send-mails.com REJECT Spam
dailyemail.org REJECT Spam
wwwanswers.com REJECT Spam
mailspool.com REJECT Spam
atriks.com REJECT Spamhaus
uxd7.com REJECT Spamhaus
4mx.org REJECT Spamhaus
s9p.net REJECT Spamhaus
At that time I know they also had a SPEWS listing, and they probably still do if they occupy the same network space.
I will drink a cold one in celebration the day these idiots go out of business (which, from what I've observed is the natural evolutionary path for spamhausen).
Side note: Shouldn't sendmail corporation be going after these idiots for infringement?
Were they attached to a frickin shark's head?
Nigel: I don't know if the original story was dealing with "e-buyonline.com", as someone on slashdot already pointed out it appears they just changed the name of your software and altered your logo (if at all):
"http://www.e-buyonline.com/purchase.php"
Some interesting things I've noticed about the domain:
Name: e-buyonline.com [67.18.82.84]
Aliases: www.e-buyonline.com
root@argc:~> g 67.18.82.84 | m
[whois.geektools.com]
OrgName: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc.
Address: 1333 North Stemmons Freeway
Address: Suite 110, Dallas, TX 75207
Phone: 214-782-7800, Fax: 214-782-7801
Inverse DNS: welcome.topakistan.com [67.18.82.84]
ToPakistan.com Registrant Contact:
Welcome.ToPakistan.com
Khalil Ahmad (khalil@paksys.com)
+92.427596659 , Fax: +92.427583039
6-L, 73 Business Center, Shadman
Lahore, PUNJAB 54000 PK
I take it that's where your pak***.net (and also paksys.com is the same company, maps to the same IP address and WHOIS registration data)
WHOIS Administrative Contact:
Ahmad, Khalil khalil@paksys.com
116 Salem Road, North Brunswick, NJ 08902
732-297-8908, Fax: 732-297-8906
They are a U.S. company. The phone number confirms they are paksys software, also a gander at their website shows the same address and phone number. Calling the New Jersey phone number reveals someone with a thick Arab accent announcing "you have reached paksys software..."
They are located INSIDE the U.S., telco exchange shows that prefix (732-297) to be in Franklin Park, NJ.
Their hosting website also shows the same information, their "U.S." address available for visits by appointment only (could be a residence)
https://www.pakhost.com/?sect=0&subsect=40
The State of New Jersey will sell you the company filing information for a nominal fee, it looks like PAK SYS SOFTWARE is listed, their file # is
ID: 0400053874, go to the State of NJ's Business Entity search at
https://accessnet.state.nj.us/GatewayWatchNameS
Start with filing a complaint with the New Jersey state attorney general, this could get you some type of response (though I noticed you're
in New Zealand.
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/
Consumer Complaint form:
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/ocp/ocpform.htm
Franklin Park, NJ is in Somerset county, start at:
http://www.co.somerset.nj.us/
I work in a large corporate environment that uses VMS, Tru64, AIX, HP/UX and large scale IBM mainframe systems such as MVS. The corporate policy is basically that open source is strictly forbidden, but only as far as being installed as a system tool--only "supported" products can be installed.
/home directories on the largest of the UNIX servers and see 500 people with their own individual copies of emacs, vim, bash, etc.
However there isn't a policy regarding what tool sets individual shell users can install. It's interesting to browse various
The point is, at least with mainstream IT people most already see and understand the value and quality of open source or free software.
Welcome to 1997.
How does this protect us from Microsoft?
I for one plan on sending Jaynes' fellow cell-mates a 9 year supply.
He filed, and I do believe he won against Acacia Mortgage in Mesa, AZ. See the decision order filed 9/13/2002. I submitted a story to slashdot about this in 2002, but in typical slashdot fashion it went ignored.
Alice and Bob were always having communication problems, with Carol always stealing their private keys--it looks as though she finally got to Bill too.
I don't care if VerminSlime cures cancer; I'll never do business with them ever again.
register their [your] protest with their [your] vote.
"People who come up with the best 3-5 ideas that involve the use of machine learning will win Gmail accounts"
Ng went on to announce -- Furthermore those that innovate the most original ideas will win their choice of a free glass of tap water, or dinner mints!
Welcome to a sneak peek of MSN's new search technology. What do we have under the hood? A brand new algorithmic search engine -- built from the ground up -- on Microsoft technology.
[entered search query] (vanity search =-)
Search Error
MSN Search is temporarily unable to process your request. Please try again in a few minutes.
Yep, it's Microsoft technology alright.
In the future, will there be a place for a "hard" medium that you can touch and store on your shelves? Lieberfarb believes that answer is no. "The future will see video on demand delivered over the Internet, and movies will be just one of the offerings,'' he says. Already, services like RealNetworks can offer "Finding Nemo" online, and TiVo offers connections to Internet movie sites.
This is the Hollywood Insider's wet dream. No longer will content be owned by the consumer, rather the consumer "pays as they go". Imagine a world where everytime you want to toast some bread your bank account is automatically debited $0.05 per slice. I think the pay-per-use model is doomed. Though it has enojoyed some mild success in the cable TV business, consumers will always prefer the flat-rate, pay once model, especially when they can hold, look and feel the end product.
Has anyone determined if this will effect the price of beer?
"Having read and considered Defendant's opposition only for the purpose of determining whether or not to maintain the TRO, the Court finds that the legal issues raised are more complicated than they originally appeared and that the Court has a number of questions regarding the facts. Because of this, the Court finds that the balance of hardships and the interests of justice favor dissolution of the TRO and expediting the hearing on the preliminary injunction."
And to quote the simpsons: "HA! HA!"
I'd like to preface what I'm about to say with how "Once upon a time" I despised AOL as a provider of Internet Services, not necessarily for personal reasons but based on the type of clientele they were bringing to the Internet in their early days as an ISP. Over the last couple years the economic climate has forced them to change in a lot of interesting ways to make their customers happy (redacting pop-up advertising, political and technological inroads to fighting spam, etc). In doing so they have (perhaps unwittingly) become better "'net neighbors". I'm happy they have done this, for whatever the reason, and the enemy of my enemy, and all that, etc.
Notwithstanding there are some obvious potential problems with this idea. Not that they can't be ironed out. The idea itself is wonderful because instead of taking money directly out of the spammers' pocket(s), their source of income is being strained even thinner than it already is, such as from filtering.
Technologically it seems problemistic, if the blocking is done on an URL basis it's easy enough for the spammer to morph each URL so filtering becomes difficult (and in many cases they do already). If the filtering is done on an IP basis then there are many interesting problems that appear, namely round-robin DNS switching by the spammer, virtual hosting spam content on free web hosting providers, like Yahoo! and geocities. Blocking access to all of Yahoo! and Geocities would make a lot of their customers unhappy.
Also, at times it's necessary for some customers to have access to the spammers' systems. I like to nmap the spammers' web servers now and then to see if I can help out with a free "security audit" that they indirectly agreed to when they spammed me. An AOL customer that does research on spam, engages in anti-spam activities, maintains their own filtering, etc, all of this type of research or activity could be stifled by filtering. In this manner the article is correct about the filtering being paternalistic--however all they should need to do to address this is allow their customers (forgive the expression) to opt-out of the service completely.
Perhaps rather than dealing with each individual spam, on an incident-by-incident basis they should adopt SOME of the methodologies that SPEWS used. One of the positive benefits of SPEWS was that it only made blocking possible (note that I did not say performed any blocking itself) of providers that refused to deal with their spamming customers. Soul-sucking ROKSO-listed spam hosters like UUnet, C&W, XO, Cogent and Chinanet would start to reconsider their spam-support and pink contract services if more providers started to take filtering on an all out basis (not just HTTP, not just SMTP, DENY traffic -- refuse to share the Internet completely). In this way the purveyor's of spam could enjoy their own private Intranet, all while their legitimate customers could be moved to NSPs or ISPs that refused to take dirty money and were good net neighbors.
When I first moved to San Diego I tried searching for Ralph's grocery store in SBC's SMARTPages. It wasn't listed, later I discovered a whole bunch of other stores which I knew existed but also weren't listed. After that I gave up and stuck with what works: google.
I always suspected SBC's directory services might only list subscribers which pay to be listed--though I don't know that for sure, so take that for what it's worth, conjecture.
Not sure how current the other listings for S2 are, but wayback machine shows their old website, which contains some interesting demographic data (particularly, an office in Redmond, WA).